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Maybe you can clear this up for me....

I understand that my father " faints " because of a sudden drop in

BP when he tries to get up from a sitting position. Once he is

" down " that is once he has fainted would his BP pressure read

as being very low or is it only really low as he " fainting " ?

The reason I am asking this is because the nurses at the home

where he is say that he is having seizures because after an

episode, when he passes out, his BP is not low. They have given

him Tegratol, an anti-seizure, medication and it is seriously

compromising his speech to the point where we can not

understand him at all... Thanks Joanne

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Joanne,

When your dad faints from low BP he falls and is basically laying down, so his

BP goes back up.

On the Tegratol, I am not sure that a medicine would be causing slurred speech -

have they checked him for all types of infection? Is it listed as a side effect

of that medicine? Could he have pneumonia or a UTI which is causing some of the

problems?

Talk to the doctor and mention infection causing slurred speech in brain

disorders.

Take care, Bill Werre

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> Date: 2002/07/30 Tue PM 12:07:21 CDT

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> Subject: blood pressure reading

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> Maybe you can clear this up for me....

> I understand that my father " faints " because of a sudden drop in

> BP when he tries to get up from a sitting position. Once he is

> " down " that is once he has fainted would his BP pressure read

> as being very low or is it only really low as he " fainting " ?

> The reason I am asking this is because the nurses at the home

> where he is say that he is having seizures because after an

> episode, when he passes out, his BP is not low. They have given

> him Tegratol, an anti-seizure, medication and it is seriously

> compromising his speech to the point where we can not

> understand him at all... Thanks Joanne

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Thanks for clearing that up Bill. My brother in law is a Dr. and he

told me that Tegratol can affect a person's speech and balance.

Because of the information on this site, I have mentionned the

effect of an infection. My mother did say that he had a slight

temperature. Abnormal body temperature is another point that is

often mentionned here. I know that people with MSA don't

register a fever sometimes because their body temperature is

low. Is there any " scientific " explanation for this that I could show

the nurses and doctors ?

Once again, thanks for replying to my question. Here is another

one. Is it " normal " for an MSA patient to develop extreme speech

problems as the disease progresses?

I hope that you are well.

Joanne

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Joanne,

I have talked to Charlotte's doctors about the fever thing at length and they

feel that only low grade fever is abnormal in MSA patients. Specifically what

would normally be just over 100 in a normal person can be a degree or so lower

in a MSA patient because of the autonomic failure problem. When a MSA patient

gets above 100 they are treated the same as normal people however.

We on the list feel that other signs such as confusion, loss of memory, loss of

movement (sudden) and fatigue are much better indicators of infection than

temperature in early stage infection. This has been borne out many times as we

have diagnosed infection from 10,000 miles away and ER doctors tested and found

infection. Just tell ER doctors that the patient has autonomic failure due to a

brain disorder which affects their body temperature control. That seemed to

work for me.

Also warn them that laying the patient flat will demonstrate the failure as the

BP will rise and go back down when the patient sits up. By that time they will

begin to realize you have some knowledge of the disorder.

Take care, Bill Werre

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> Date: 2002/07/30 Tue PM 04:03:18 CDT

> To: shydrager

> Subject: Re: blood pressure reading

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> Thanks for clearing that up Bill. My brother in law is a Dr. and he

> told me that Tegratol can affect a person's speech and balance.

> Because of the information on this site, I have mentionned the

> effect of an infection. My mother did say that he had a slight

> temperature. Abnormal body temperature is another point that is

> often mentionned here. I know that people with MSA don't

> register a fever sometimes because their body temperature is

> low. Is there any " scientific " explanation for this that I could show

> the nurses and doctors ?

> Once again, thanks for replying to my question. Here is another

> one. Is it " normal " for an MSA patient to develop extreme speech

> problems as the disease progresses?

> I hope that you are well.

> Joanne

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> If you do not wish to belong to shydrager, you may

> unsubscribe by sending a blank email to

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Joanne,

This article explains how the autonomic nervous system regulate body

temperature.

http://parkinson.org/autonomicns.htm

You can explain that in MSA the autonomic nervous system is not functioning

properly and therefore body temperature regulation is off as well.

Also read this page which is about Pure Autonomic Failure (PAF). You can

think of Multiple System Atrophy as being PAF plus additional symptoms.

http://www.mc.vanderbilt.edu/gcrc/adc/autonomic.html

" It is noteworthy that patients with PAF do not usually have fevers as high

as healthy subjects; nevertheless, any fever will significantly lower their

blood pressure and consequently decrease their functional capacity. A sudden

decline in functional mobility in a patient with PAF is suggestive of an

intercurrent infection, usually of the urinary tract. A reduced basal

metabolic rate is typical. Evidence of normal sympathetic and

parasympathetic activity, such as nausea and pallor, may not occur when

expected. "

Take care,

Pam

Re: blood pressure reading

> Thanks for clearing that up Bill. My brother in law is a Dr. and he

> told me that Tegratol can affect a person's speech and balance.

> Because of the information on this site, I have mentionned the

> effect of an infection. My mother did say that he had a slight

> temperature. Abnormal body temperature is another point that is

> often mentionned here. I know that people with MSA don't

> register a fever sometimes because their body temperature is

> low. Is there any " scientific " explanation for this that I could show

> the nurses and doctors ?

> Once again, thanks for replying to my question. Here is another

> one. Is it " normal " for an MSA patient to develop extreme speech

> problems as the disease progresses?

> I hope that you are well.

> Joanne

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Hi Joanne,

Sorry to hear of all of your father's troubles. What medicine is he taking

for the low b/p? As Bill has said, once your Dad hits the ground, his b/p

should return to normal, but once he stands again, it would fall. Once he

sits or lays down, his b/p should return to what is normal for him. Does he

take salt pills or at the very least, maybe he could be taking bouillion. Let

us know how he is doing please.

Love,

Jean & Chrissie

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Joanne:

In ken's case, his BP was usually very high right after he came to

after a passing out episode. It once went as high as 237/120 after one of

these episodes. It is the rising BP that helps them come to. As Ken fell and

passed out, it always looked much like a seizure, but the doctors who saw it,

said it looked like one, but it was not. I would tell the nurses not to give

any new medication without discussing it with his Neurologist and I would

insist on a true diagnosis of seizure activity before giving Tergretol. When

ken was in the Nursing Home, some of the nurses called his passing falling

asleep. This was almost as bad as calling it a seizure.

Good Luck, Barbara

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