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Absolutely, the point of the poll for me was to get a sense of how many

thought this was an issue worthy of follow-up. If only 23 people have

strong enough opinions to even vote then that doesn't tell me it's a big

issue at all. I certainly wouldn't proceed with any changes based on such a

low sample of voters. I'll leave the poll up until end of September. We

should really try to use these polls more, I think they are a great way of

gaining more information about our members. Maybe we should put up one

asking for what people's actual diagnosis is or was based on what the doctor

told them. Some people may have been told Shy-Drager and also heard the

words MSA, others may have only heard MSA or OPCA or SND. It would be

interesting to see... it seems to me that people who have joined in the last

year have been telling me MSA on the survey that I send out to new members.

Perhaps this indicates that that term is in fact coming into greater use.

Hugs,

Pam

Poll on name change

Hi all,

Just a note about the poll on changing the name of the list. I notice

that the poll has been active for a couple of days and only 23 of 690

(3.3%) people have voted. Several of those people voted basically -

who cares.

Don't be afraid to vote, no one knows who is even voting. :o) And no

one should care anyway as it is YOUR opinion. If I were looking at a

poll like that, I would guess that the list was satisfied with the

name as it is.

Take care, Bill Werre

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Hey Pam,

I'm no statisticain, but its way more than 23. lol From my

calculations you would need 655 votes to be at 95% and 517 for 75%.

heck 50% would be 345 that seems like lots more than we will get.

What % do you consider active participants though? ....Rose

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Pam,

I can't seem to get into giving them my opinion it keeps coming back that

name has been taken, I know that I am soooooo dumb but I really don't

have hours to spend getting nowhere.

We have been living with Shy-Drager Syndrome since 1995, so I guess that

is really our preference.

Ann from Soddy,TN

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Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 09:30:38 -0300

Subject: RE: Poll on name change

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Absolutely, the point of the poll for me was to get a sense of how many

thought this was an issue worthy of follow-up. If only 23 people have

strong enough opinions to even vote then that doesn't tell me it's a big

issue at all. I certainly wouldn't proceed with any changes based on

such a

low sample of voters. I'll leave the poll up until end of September.

We

should really try to use these polls more, I think they are a great way

of

gaining more information about our members. Maybe we should put up one

asking for what people's actual diagnosis is or was based on what the

doctor

told them. Some people may have been told Shy-Drager and also heard the

words MSA, others may have only heard MSA or OPCA or SND. It would be

interesting to see... it seems to me that people who have joined in the

last

year have been telling me MSA on the survey that I send out to new

members.

Perhaps this indicates that that term is in fact coming into greater use.

Hugs,

Pam

Poll on name change

Hi all,

Just a note about the poll on changing the name of the list. I notice

that the poll has been active for a couple of days and only 23 of 690

(3.3%) people have voted. Several of those people voted basically -

who cares.

Don't be afraid to vote, no one knows who is even voting. :o) And no

one should care anyway as it is YOUR opinion. If I were looking at a

poll like that, I would guess that the list was satisfied with the

name as it is.

Take care, Bill Werre

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Several people have replied and have misunderstood my question. 50%

or more members of a group will never reply to a survey which is why

statistics are used to project the likelihood that all members of a

large group have the same views based on a smaller sampling of

members from that group. I was asking if anyone who knew statistics

could tell me what a good sample size would be out of 700 group

members.

For example:

If the sample size was 20 people and 15 out of 20 people voted yes

then that would be 75% who voted yes. But is 20 people a large

enough sample out of 700 people to be able to project the views of

the larger group with certainty? With this sized sample could I be

95% confident that all members of the group had this same view? That

is my question and I'm hoping someone who knows the answer can help

me.

If people are just guessing then that doesn't help us. This is a

math problem with a real answer.

Hugs,

Pam

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Pam,

They get better results in national polls by choosing the people by RANDOM

choice. We do not have that here, we have people with an ax to grind answering

only. If you wanted to do a random poll, choose something like a number of 25

and use a random number generator to pick the people you ask the question, then

look only at those results. If all did not answer, then you would have to pick

more at RANDOM to ask.

Sorry I do not remember my statistics well enough to figure the number - but the

% is higher for a low number like 700 compared to many millions. Anne is

studying statistics right now (and hates it :o) maybe she would know, but she

dropped off (I think).

I do not think there are many on the list who would not like to have MSA added,

but I also do not believe there are many who want to see SDS eliminated. Since

the idea of the list was to reach as many as possible, I think having as much

info as possible is best. I hope more people will use the bookmarks you and

others found and put on the website.

Ave a good trip, mate :o) Hope it is not as hot where you are going as it is

here :o)

Take care, Bill Werre

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> Date: 2002/08/06 Tue AM 09:15:00 CDT

> To: shydrager

> Subject: Re: Poll on name change

>

> Several people have replied and have misunderstood my question. 50%

> or more members of a group will never reply to a survey which is why

> statistics are used to project the likelihood that all members of a

> large group have the same views based on a smaller sampling of

> members from that group. I was asking if anyone who knew statistics

> could tell me what a good sample size would be out of 700 group

> members.

>

> For example:

> If the sample size was 20 people and 15 out of 20 people voted yes

> then that would be 75% who voted yes. But is 20 people a large

> enough sample out of 700 people to be able to project the views of

> the larger group with certainty? With this sized sample could I be

> 95% confident that all members of the group had this same view? That

> is my question and I'm hoping someone who knows the answer can help

> me.

>

> If people are just guessing then that doesn't help us. This is a

> math problem with a real answer.

> Hugs,

> Pam

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> If you do not wish to belong to shydrager, you may

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I don't think more or less people will be reached if the group's name is

changed. I also don't think more or less people will be reached if the

group's name is not changed.

This is why I feel this way:

Try this: go to http://groups.yahoo.com and in the " Join a Group " Search box

type in " Shy-Drager " and see what you get. Then do the same with " Multiple

System Atrophy " .

If that is the only point of people wanting to change the name then that

point is totally moot.

Were there other points to wanting the name changed?

Hugs,

Pam

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Pam,

I haven't tried to vote on this issue, but just a comment to say that I

read an earlier post from someone commenting on the " chill " she got when

she heard the term " Shydrager " . I have to say that when I was scouring

everything I could find to associate illnesses with my brother's

symptoms I stumbled on to Shydrager in one source and I thought then

that the name had such terrifying sound to it (not that we don't agree

that it is a terrifying illness). So,

cast my vote for losing that name altogether. I realize it won't change

the illness or its consequences, but I

still don't like hearing or using the term Shydrager.

Regards,

Jerry Cash

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I don't think more or less people will be reached if the group's name is

changed. I also don't think more or less people will be reached if the

group's name is not changed.

This is why I feel this way:

Try this: go to http://groups.yahoo.com and in the " Join a Group " Search

box

type in " Shy-Drager " and see what you get. Then do the same with

" Multiple

System Atrophy " .

If that is the only point of people wanting to change the name then that

point is totally moot.

Were there other points to wanting the name changed?

Hugs,

Pam

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Interesting Jerry. You know, I've gotten notes from people before or seen

them posting on other bulletin boards looking for information on Shy

" Dragon " Syndrome... perhaps the similarity of the word Drager (named for

Dr. Glenn Drager) with the word Dragon which we associate with a terrible,

frightening beast is the reason that name feels uncomfortable to you.

Although... you'd think a " Shy " Dragon wouldn't be too troublesome. :)

RE: Re: Poll on name change

Pam,

I haven't tried to vote on this issue, but just a comment to say that I

read an earlier post from someone commenting on the " chill " she got when

she heard the term " Shydrager " . I have to say that when I was scouring

everything I could find to associate illnesses with my brother's

symptoms I stumbled on to Shydrager in one source and I thought then

that the name had such terrifying sound to it (not that we don't agree

that it is a terrifying illness). So,

cast my vote for losing that name altogether. I realize it won't change

the illness or its consequences, but I

still don't like hearing or using the term Shydrager.

Regards,

Jerry Cash

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Pam,

Here is what I got:

MSA-ILSG · MSA-Illinois Support Group with 5 members :o)

when I typed Multiple systems atrophy

Take care, Bill Werre

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> Date: 2002/08/06 Tue AM 10:18:05 CDT

> To: shydrager >

> Subject: RE: Re: Poll on name change

>

> I don't think more or less people will be reached if the group's name is

> changed. I also don't think more or less people will be reached if the

> group's name is not changed.

>

> This is why I feel this way:

>

> Try this: go to http://groups.yahoo.com and in the " Join a Group " Search box

> type in " Shy-Drager " and see what you get. Then do the same with " Multiple

> System Atrophy " .

>

> If that is the only point of people wanting to change the name then that

> point is totally moot.

>

> Were there other points to wanting the name changed?

>

> Hugs,

> Pam

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> If you do not wish to belong to shydrager, you may

> unsubscribe by sending a blank email to

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> shydrager-unsubscribe

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Hmmmm... I always type Multiple System Atrophy... No " S " on system.

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>

> I don't think more or less people will be reached if the group's name is

> changed. I also don't think more or less people will be reached if the

> group's name is not changed.

>

> This is why I feel this way:

>

> Try this: go to http://groups.yahoo.com and in the " Join a Group " Search

box

> type in " Shy-Drager " and see what you get. Then do the same with

" Multiple

> System Atrophy " .

>

> If that is the only point of people wanting to change the name then that

> point is totally moot.

>

> Were there other points to wanting the name changed?

>

> Hugs,

> Pam

>

>

>

>

>

> If you do not wish to belong to shydrager, you may

> unsubscribe by sending a blank email to

>

> shydrager-unsubscribe

>

>

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Except for a lot of moslim students associations, a maladivian student

association, a married student association I also found msa-angels, a

supportgroup for those who lost a beloved one on msa or similar neurological

disorder.

Timo

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>

> I don't think more or less people will be reached if the group's name is

> changed. I also don't think more or less people will be reached if the

> group's name is not changed.

>

> This is why I feel this way:

>

> Try this: go to http://groups.yahoo.com and in the " Join a Group " Search

box

> type in " Shy-Drager " and see what you get. Then do the same with

" Multiple

> System Atrophy " .

>

> If that is the only point of people wanting to change the name then that

> point is totally moot.

>

> Were there other points to wanting the name changed?

>

> Hugs,

> Pam

>

>

>

>

>

> If you do not wish to belong to shydrager, you may

> unsubscribe by sending a blank email to

>

> shydrager-unsubscribe

>

>

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Did you just type " MSA " or " Multiple System Atrophy? "

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Except for a lot of moslim students associations, a maladivian student

association, a married student association I also found msa-angels, a

supportgroup for those who lost a beloved one on msa or similar neurological

disorder.

Timo

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>

> I don't think more or less people will be reached if the group's name is

> changed. I also don't think more or less people will be reached if the

> group's name is not changed.

>

> This is why I feel this way:

>

> Try this: go to http://groups.yahoo.com and in the " Join a Group " Search

box

> type in " Shy-Drager " and see what you get. Then do the same with

" Multiple

> System Atrophy " .

>

> If that is the only point of people wanting to change the name then that

> point is totally moot.

>

> Were there other points to wanting the name changed?

>

> Hugs,

> Pam

>

>

>

>

>

> If you do not wish to belong to shydrager, you may

> unsubscribe by sending a blank email to

>

> shydrager-unsubscribe

>

>

>

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Timo

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>

> I don't think more or less people will be reached if the group's name is

> changed. I also don't think more or less people will be reached if the

> group's name is not changed.

>

> This is why I feel this way:

>

> Try this: go to http://groups.yahoo.com and in the " Join a Group " Search

box

> type in " Shy-Drager " and see what you get. Then do the same with

" Multiple

> System Atrophy " .

>

> If that is the only point of people wanting to change the name then that

> point is totally moot.

>

> Were there other points to wanting the name changed?

>

> Hugs,

> Pam

>

>

>

>

>

> If you do not wish to belong to shydrager, you may

> unsubscribe by sending a blank email to

>

> shydrager-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

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Pam,

:o) It is more than one system :o) Charlotte was told multiple systems atrophy

at NIH - and I thought " Oh my Lord first PD then possible OPCA and now probable

multiple systems atrophy - whatever the hell that is! " I have also seen it as

Multi-System Atrophy so we need to get the word out on all the different

configurations.

Is the Harvard or MGH site still up and running? If so sending them some emails

calling it everything we can think of and the list address may help. We did

that for a while, but I have not posted there recently.

Take care, Bill Werre

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> Date: 2002/08/06 Tue AM 11:05:57 CDT

> To: shydrager >

> Subject: RE: Re: Poll on name change

>

> Hmmmm... I always type Multiple System Atrophy... No " S " on system.

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Yup that site is still there at http://www.braintalk.org

I still post under the Shy Drager topic every month or so when I think of

it.

I've noticed some people and sites calling it " multisystem atrophy " or

" multi-system atrophy " but I never noticed the " s " on the end of systems

before.

I have a friend who calls her unknown brand of ataxia, SOFA which stands

for --> " Some other F-ing ataxia " . Maybe we should just give up and use

something like that instead. :)

Hugs,

Pam

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Pam,

:o) It is more than one system :o) Charlotte was told multiple systems

atrophy at NIH - and I thought " Oh my Lord first PD then possible OPCA and

now probable multiple systems atrophy - whatever the hell that is! " I have

also seen it as Multi-System Atrophy so we need to get the word out on all

the different configurations.

Is the Harvard or MGH site still up and running? If so sending them some

emails calling it everything we can think of and the list address may help.

We did that for a while, but I have not posted there recently.

Take care, Bill Werre

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Timo,

If you do a standard search on MSA under Yahoo (not groups) you will find a lot

more including the Missouri State Alumnia.

:o) Take care and watch out for rain in Mellow Yellow :o)

Bill Werre

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>

> Date: 2002/08/06 Tue PM 01:20:44 CDT

> To: shydrager >

> Subject: Re: Re: Poll on name change

>

> Except for a lot of moslim students associations, a maladivian student

> association, a married student association I also found msa-angels, a

> supportgroup for those who lost a beloved one on msa or similar neurological

> disorder.

>

> Timo

>

>

> RE: Re: Poll on name change

> >

> > I don't think more or less people will be reached if the group's name is

> > changed. I also don't think more or less people will be reached if the

> > group's name is not changed.

> >

> > This is why I feel this way:

> >

> > Try this: go to http://groups.yahoo.com and in the " Join a Group " Search

> box

> > type in " Shy-Drager " and see what you get. Then do the same with

> " Multiple

> > System Atrophy " .

> >

> > If that is the only point of people wanting to change the name then that

> > point is totally moot.

> >

> > Were there other points to wanting the name changed?

> >

> > Hugs,

> > Pam

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > If you do not wish to belong to shydrager, you may

> > unsubscribe by sending a blank email to

> >

> > shydrager-unsubscribe

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> >

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I would think that a reason to change the name would be to get one

encompassing name that we might be able to make more people aware of the

problem. I guess I believe that our cause would be helped with numbers.

(not that I want any other people to have these problems)

Do we know any estimated numbers of people with either any one of the

individual illnesses or any of the group of illnesses that appear to fall

under the Multiple System Atrophy title?

Marilyn

>

> Reply-To: shydrager

> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:18:05 -0300

> To: shydrager >

> Subject: RE: Re: Poll on name change

>

> I don't think more or less people will be reached if the group's name is

> changed. I also don't think more or less people will be reached if the

> group's name is not changed.

>

> This is why I feel this way:

>

> Try this: go to http://groups.yahoo.com and in the " Join a Group " Search box

> type in " Shy-Drager " and see what you get. Then do the same with " Multiple

> System Atrophy " .

>

> If that is the only point of people wanting to change the name then that

> point is totally moot.

>

> Were there other points to wanting the name changed?

>

> Hugs,

> Pam

>

>

>

>

>

> If you do not wish to belong to shydrager, you may

> unsubscribe by sending a blank email to

>

> shydrager-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

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