Embryonic research in re MSA

[Guest guest]

I and I'm sure others would not be in favor of taking the life of a

little one just to possibly help my wife's MSA. She feels the same way.

It seems that the " policy " of this site is to push for more research by

urging the politicians to provide for this type of " cure " for this

terrible disease. Trade one life for another ? No way !! Bob H.

[Guest guest]

Bob,

We agree. That is why Dr. Levesque in L.A. is such a find.... so to

speak. He is the only U.S. neuro that we have found that uses your own

brain stem-cells to attempt to heal yourself. He grows them in a " soup "

like mixture in a pitre dish.... much akin to growing cancer cells for

research. No fetal or embryonic material is used. No SCNT technology.

Just your own cells. There is absolutely NO way that this procedure can

develop into anything other than a dish of cells... dead or alive.

I have told that as close as I am to meeting my maker....now is not

the time for heroic mistakes.... I won't judge others who have a different

opinion. Who knows who is right or wrong? It is just my moral and

spiritual beliefs that lead me to choose what I do. Others may have their

own beliefs and I don't challenge that. So folks, no argument here please.

I'm just letting Bob know that we too believe as he does.

Hugs,

Deborah

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I and I'm sure others would not be in favor of taking the life of a

little one just to possibly help my wife's MSA. She feels the same way.

It seems that the " policy " of this site is to push for more research by

urging the politicians to provide for this type of " cure " for this

terrible disease. Trade one life for another ? No way !! Bob H.

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[Guest guest]

Hi all,

Be careful of comparing apples and oranges. SCNT does NOT have to use

embryonic stem cells. It can use adult stem cells.

Hope you all realize that Dr. Levesque IS cloning human calls (growing

new cells from existing cells IS cloning). I have not seen enough

info to know that he is not using SCNT technology, how does he get

healthy dopamine producing neuron cells? He IS using adult stem cells

which he clones. But if there is a defect in the DNA, without SCNT it

continues into the new cells.

There is a baby girl alive today who had an incurable cancer because

her parents decided to try SCNT and NO " babies " were destroyed in fact

she has a new baby brother with the blood it took to cure her. At

last news BOTH babies were alive. Sorry folks lets get our facts

straight

NO cells were killed in this SCNT they spliced some DNA into the

mothers egg, fertilized it and put it back into the mothers womb and

she had a healthy baby boy whose blood was the right kind to help his

sister. BOTH babies are alive - who got hurt? Would you prefer that

they were burying the girl and had NO live children?

Lets look at another situation. Suppose you had a daughter in her

20's and she wanted a child. Suppose they could use SCNT to take

cells from your skin and make it so that your daughter could have a

child which had blood that could cure your MSA - who dies? Who is

hurt? You would have a grandchild and the grandchild would have a

grandmother, that is a win-win situation to me.

The Christ I believe in would like that and maybe that is why He is

teaching us this technology. It IS something to think about

especially as we are spend billions to kill people presently. Do you

think a mother in Afghanistan whose child is killed thinks we are the

terrorists? Doesn't it make you wonder about Christ's reaction to

seeing babies with arms blown off while we argue over saving lives and

the definition of a baby and wether it is better to flush the baby

down the toilet rather than save someones life with the LIVE cells in

it? We live in a complex world and there are NO simple answers.

You may feel taking the pluripotent cells from a blastocyst is

" killing babies " because it destroys the totipotent cells (placenta)

and you can argue that point with real beliefs. BUT all SCNT does NOT

use those cells. In theory, if a cell can be made into another cell

by cloning (as Dr. Levesque is doing) then it IS possible to make

(clone) an entire human, so we need laws to allow medical research on

cell cloning while preventing human cloning. But this is not an area

for lawyers, look at our tax laws.

Think about what you want, not what someone else says - they may be

wrong. Blood transfusions were banned by all major church doctrine as

little as 200 years ago. God created man in His image and gave us a

brain to think with, do you suppose he wanted us to think and be

curious? That is just MY view and please allow me to have a Christian

opinion, I know a few other Christians agree with my view or disagree

without calling me a killer.

Peace be with you, Bill Werre