Guest guest Posted June 20, 2001 Report Share Posted June 20, 2001 Find a new doc. Unless he is making you lose the weight because you are dangerously obese re surgery, then he is trying the tough love approach. This is fine for a shrink or a parent, but doubtfully appropriae for a consumer of his services. If weight was easy for you to lose, then you would not be trying to get surgery to correct the problem. Fat people are often treated as second-class citizens and given all sorts of psychiatric hurdles inappropriate for most patients. Incidentally, they pull some of these same tricks on transplant recipients prior to approval. --- Sally sdesmet@...> wrote: > Hi all, > > I just want and need to vent. Dr. Scholten's is the > one in network who > I choose to go with on the DS. I have Hepatitis C. I > had to go to a > gastroentrologist and have it checked out. I had > none of the symptoms > of liver disease. My blood counts were close to > normal. The > gastroentrologist said, verbally, that if I had a > liver biopsy done > during surgery, that should be fine. In a letter he > wrote to Dr. > Scholten, he wrote that it would be something that > is recomended. And > I had a liver biopsy scheduled, but canceled because > of the good blood > work. And because the gastro led me to believe I > didn't need one prior > to surgery. Now the nurse at Dr. Scholten's tells me > that I have to > have to prove that I am a candiate for surgery. If I > have cirrohis of > the liver, then I can't have the surgery. Why then, > do some doctors > feel that it's not necessary? I feel very > disapointed, that I have to > have this semi serious procedure, even though they > perform it doing > surgery. Not to mention the fact that the Rouen Y > doctor that is my > plan " b " is not concerned with my Hepatitis C. I > know some of you will > say, at least Dr. Scholten is taking extra care etc. > But sometimes it > seems like they want way too much. Remember he is > the guy who says if > you don't loose 10% of your excess weight he will > refuse the surgery > anyway. It feels like I am being punished because of > my weight and > that unless I can " prove " my worthliness, I won't be > able to have the > surgery anyway. Needless to say, I am left to > wonder if it's all > worth it. > > > Sally > Preop in Michigan > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Tanja, Good luck and I am sure it will all work out. I too am doing all of the fun stuff w/Tricare. We are active duty AF. I had my first consultation w/the surgeon yesterday. I was so excited until I was told that as of Feb. 1st Tricare will no longer cover lap gastric bypass. They have declared it experimental and will only cover open gastric bypass. The Dr. thought I was a perfect candidate for getting it done lap but I guess I have no choice if I want it done. It seems like there are a lot of different instructions to follow with each base. Here my PCM put in for the referal.....I received it in the mail a few weeks later. I called the surgeons office for an appt.....which took 2 mo to get one. Now all I have to do is wait for them to call me with a date. Which will be no earlier then June sometime. Also I will have to pray for them to approve it. In the office visit the psyc. person and nutritionist came into the room one at a time and got all of that over with really quickly.Are you getting it done at the Army hospital? If so that would be the big difference......we have to go down town. Well anyway.....I guess I did a little venting of my own....lol I wish you all the luck and let keep me informed how things are progressing for you. pre-op stinardclan5@... > I feel like I'm in limbo. It's been almost 6 months since I went and > spoke to my doctor about having gastric by-pass. He was so upbet, > wrote the referral right there in front of me. Even had me do some > initial lab work. Things seemed so perfect, the required clinics > were calling the next day offering to set up appointments. After > some running around by one clinic ( i missed the appointment, then > rescheduled for the next month.....only they wern't there and then > they told me I needed a new referral from PCP) I've finally gotten > all but one done. The last one we were told not to call to > schedule...they would call us. So I've just been waiting.....for > what seems like forever. > > Then yesterday I called in a script renewal and my PCP actually > called me at home to ask a question about my meds; and then asked me > if I had changed my mind about having the surgery. I was confused > and told him no, that I had seen surgery, nutrition, physical therepy > and even the psychiatrist and been cleared by all of them and was > just waiting for occupational therepy to call and give me an > appointment. None of that was in my patient file that he was holding > at the time! > > I know I slacked for a bit in December between Christmas and my > husband deploying to Iraq (active duty army) and put my passion to > have the surgery on the back burner.....but now I'm ready and willing > to do any and everything I can do. But I can't do much without the > approval of this final clinic. I know it's against their > rules.....but I'm about ready to call them myselves and ask for an > appointment. I want to get to the top of that dang waiting list, > instead of just floating around the bottom. > > They have so many silly rules between the Army hospital and the > insurance that they expect us the patient to follow, but don't follow > themselves. They did surgery the other day on a lady who hadn't seen > all the clinics yet....because she somehow got put on the " on-call " > waiting list. There were some upset people in the support group who > had been waiting for a year or more, some on the on-call list > themselves and yet this woman got to go first, just because she > answered her phone. > > One the upside, my PCP told me last night that he'd look into what's > going on with my case today and see if he can find out what's holding > things up. We leave this post at the end of the year, and if I > havn't had the surgery by then, I have to start all over at the Army > hospital at the next post....which will really suck! > > ~Tanja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2004 Report Share Posted February 6, 2004 Tanja, Good luck and I am sure it will all work out. I too am doing all of the fun stuff w/Tricare. We are active duty AF. I had my first consultation w/the surgeon yesterday. I was so excited until I was told that as of Feb. 1st Tricare will no longer cover lap gastric bypass. They have declared it experimental and will only cover open gastric bypass. The Dr. thought I was a perfect candidate for getting it done lap but I guess I have no choice if I want it done. It seems like there are a lot of different instructions to follow with each base. Here my PCM put in for the referal.....I received it in the mail a few weeks later. I called the surgeons office for an appt.....which took 2 mo to get one. Now all I have to do is wait for them to call me with a date. Which will be no earlier then June sometime. Also I will have to pray for them to approve it. In the office visit the psyc. person and nutritionist came into the room one at a time and got all of that over with really quickly.Are you getting it done at the Army hospital? If so that would be the big difference......we have to go down town. Well anyway.....I guess I did a little venting of my own....lol I wish you all the luck and let keep me informed how things are progressing for you. pre-op stinardclan5@... > I feel like I'm in limbo. It's been almost 6 months since I went and > spoke to my doctor about having gastric by-pass. He was so upbet, > wrote the referral right there in front of me. Even had me do some > initial lab work. Things seemed so perfect, the required clinics > were calling the next day offering to set up appointments. After > some running around by one clinic ( i missed the appointment, then > rescheduled for the next month.....only they wern't there and then > they told me I needed a new referral from PCP) I've finally gotten > all but one done. The last one we were told not to call to > schedule...they would call us. So I've just been waiting.....for > what seems like forever. > > Then yesterday I called in a script renewal and my PCP actually > called me at home to ask a question about my meds; and then asked me > if I had changed my mind about having the surgery. I was confused > and told him no, that I had seen surgery, nutrition, physical therepy > and even the psychiatrist and been cleared by all of them and was > just waiting for occupational therepy to call and give me an > appointment. None of that was in my patient file that he was holding > at the time! > > I know I slacked for a bit in December between Christmas and my > husband deploying to Iraq (active duty army) and put my passion to > have the surgery on the back burner.....but now I'm ready and willing > to do any and everything I can do. But I can't do much without the > approval of this final clinic. I know it's against their > rules.....but I'm about ready to call them myselves and ask for an > appointment. I want to get to the top of that dang waiting list, > instead of just floating around the bottom. > > They have so many silly rules between the Army hospital and the > insurance that they expect us the patient to follow, but don't follow > themselves. They did surgery the other day on a lady who hadn't seen > all the clinics yet....because she somehow got put on the " on-call " > waiting list. There were some upset people in the support group who > had been waiting for a year or more, some on the on-call list > themselves and yet this woman got to go first, just because she > answered her phone. > > One the upside, my PCP told me last night that he'd look into what's > going on with my case today and see if he can find out what's holding > things up. We leave this post at the end of the year, and if I > havn't had the surgery by then, I have to start all over at the Army > hospital at the next post....which will really suck! > > ~Tanja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2004 Report Share Posted February 7, 2004 we are at AFB in Illinois and they are doing Open only on base and only for a limited type of patient. I had to go down town and personally I was happy to go. the wait was alot longer but I had a much more experienced surgeon. Candi Re: Venting Tanja, Good luck and I am sure it will all work out. I too am doing all of the fun stuff w/Tricare. We are active duty AF. I had my first consultation w/the surgeon yesterday. I was so excited until I was told that as of Feb. 1st Tricare will no longer cover lap gastric bypass. They have declared it experimental and will only cover open gastric bypass. The Dr. thought I was a perfect candidate for getting it done lap but I guess I have no choice if I want it done. It seems like there are a lot of different instructions to follow with each base. Here my PCM put in for the referal.....I received it in the mail a few weeks later. I called the surgeons office for an appt.....which took 2 mo to get one. Now all I have to do is wait for them to call me with a date. Which will be no earlier then June sometime. Also I will have to pray for them to approve it. In the office visit the psyc. person and nutritionist came into the room one at a time and got all of that over with really quickly.Are you getting it done at the Army hospital? If so that would be the big difference......we have to go down town. Well anyway.....I guess I did a little venting of my own....lol I wish you all the luck and let keep me informed how things are progressing for you. pre-op stinardclan5@... > I feel like I'm in limbo. It's been almost 6 months since I went and > spoke to my doctor about having gastric by-pass. He was so upbet, > wrote the referral right there in front of me. Even had me do some > initial lab work. Things seemed so perfect, the required clinics > were calling the next day offering to set up appointments. After > some running around by one clinic ( i missed the appointment, then > rescheduled for the next month.....only they wern't there and then > they told me I needed a new referral from PCP) I've finally gotten > all but one done. The last one we were told not to call to > schedule...they would call us. So I've just been waiting.....for > what seems like forever. > > Then yesterday I called in a script renewal and my PCP actually > called me at home to ask a question about my meds; and then asked me > if I had changed my mind about having the surgery. I was confused > and told him no, that I had seen surgery, nutrition, physical therepy > and even the psychiatrist and been cleared by all of them and was > just waiting for occupational therepy to call and give me an > appointment. None of that was in my patient file that he was holding > at the time! > > I know I slacked for a bit in December between Christmas and my > husband deploying to Iraq (active duty army) and put my passion to > have the surgery on the back burner.....but now I'm ready and willing > to do any and everything I can do. But I can't do much without the > approval of this final clinic. I know it's against their > rules.....but I'm about ready to call them myselves and ask for an > appointment. I want to get to the top of that dang waiting list, > instead of just floating around the bottom. > > They have so many silly rules between the Army hospital and the > insurance that they expect us the patient to follow, but don't follow > themselves. They did surgery the other day on a lady who hadn't seen > all the clinics yet....because she somehow got put on the " on-call " > waiting list. There were some upset people in the support group who > had been waiting for a year or more, some on the on-call list > themselves and yet this woman got to go first, just because she > answered her phone. > > One the upside, my PCP told me last night that he'd look into what's > going on with my case today and see if he can find out what's holding > things up. We leave this post at the end of the year, and if I > havn't had the surgery by then, I have to start all over at the Army > hospital at the next post....which will really suck! > > ~Tanja ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2004 Report Share Posted February 7, 2004 we are at AFB in Illinois and they are doing Open only on base and only for a limited type of patient. I had to go down town and personally I was happy to go. the wait was alot longer but I had a much more experienced surgeon. Candi Re: Venting Tanja, Good luck and I am sure it will all work out. I too am doing all of the fun stuff w/Tricare. We are active duty AF. I had my first consultation w/the surgeon yesterday. I was so excited until I was told that as of Feb. 1st Tricare will no longer cover lap gastric bypass. They have declared it experimental and will only cover open gastric bypass. The Dr. thought I was a perfect candidate for getting it done lap but I guess I have no choice if I want it done. It seems like there are a lot of different instructions to follow with each base. Here my PCM put in for the referal.....I received it in the mail a few weeks later. I called the surgeons office for an appt.....which took 2 mo to get one. Now all I have to do is wait for them to call me with a date. Which will be no earlier then June sometime. Also I will have to pray for them to approve it. In the office visit the psyc. person and nutritionist came into the room one at a time and got all of that over with really quickly.Are you getting it done at the Army hospital? If so that would be the big difference......we have to go down town. Well anyway.....I guess I did a little venting of my own....lol I wish you all the luck and let keep me informed how things are progressing for you. pre-op stinardclan5@... > I feel like I'm in limbo. It's been almost 6 months since I went and > spoke to my doctor about having gastric by-pass. He was so upbet, > wrote the referral right there in front of me. Even had me do some > initial lab work. Things seemed so perfect, the required clinics > were calling the next day offering to set up appointments. After > some running around by one clinic ( i missed the appointment, then > rescheduled for the next month.....only they wern't there and then > they told me I needed a new referral from PCP) I've finally gotten > all but one done. The last one we were told not to call to > schedule...they would call us. So I've just been waiting.....for > what seems like forever. > > Then yesterday I called in a script renewal and my PCP actually > called me at home to ask a question about my meds; and then asked me > if I had changed my mind about having the surgery. I was confused > and told him no, that I had seen surgery, nutrition, physical therepy > and even the psychiatrist and been cleared by all of them and was > just waiting for occupational therepy to call and give me an > appointment. None of that was in my patient file that he was holding > at the time! > > I know I slacked for a bit in December between Christmas and my > husband deploying to Iraq (active duty army) and put my passion to > have the surgery on the back burner.....but now I'm ready and willing > to do any and everything I can do. But I can't do much without the > approval of this final clinic. I know it's against their > rules.....but I'm about ready to call them myselves and ask for an > appointment. I want to get to the top of that dang waiting list, > instead of just floating around the bottom. > > They have so many silly rules between the Army hospital and the > insurance that they expect us the patient to follow, but don't follow > themselves. They did surgery the other day on a lady who hadn't seen > all the clinics yet....because she somehow got put on the " on-call " > waiting list. There were some upset people in the support group who > had been waiting for a year or more, some on the on-call list > themselves and yet this woman got to go first, just because she > answered her phone. > > One the upside, my PCP told me last night that he'd look into what's > going on with my case today and see if he can find out what's holding > things up. We leave this post at the end of the year, and if I > havn't had the surgery by then, I have to start all over at the Army > hospital at the next post....which will really suck! > > ~Tanja ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Sorry to hear you are having so many problems with the bleeding. I hope it gets back to normal for you and if not I would get a second opinion. Good Luck, God Bless, Robin, NorthEastern, NY Age- 41 EDD- July 27th, 2004 IT'S A BOY!!!!!! Mommy to: & (twin boys 8 years), Madison, daughter, 5 years and Wife to Pup 15 years (October 31, 1988) Gastric Bypass Surgery- October 18th 2002 Start-378, current- 246(pregnant) goal 170 after baby It's a BOY!!!!! Emerson Roger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Christie, When my periods became regular after having WLS (they had always been irregular without BC pills pre-WLS), they were so heavy and crampy than I had ever had in my life. I could also obviously tell I was PMSing when I never had that problem before. I now have one day each cycle that I basically stay home all day because I am bleeding so heavy. I kind of figure that maybe this is how my periods would have been all these years if I hadn't been overweight having my hormones out of whack. Keep the faith, hopefully this is a sign that your system is getting back in sync after all you've been through. Good luck!! Sue EDD 6/11/04 c-section 5/28/04 > Hi All, > I just need to do a little venting and this seemed like the best place to do > it. > On Feb 4th I had an ovarian cyst. My GYN went in with a laprascope and > looked around. When he put me under i was told all he was doing would be looking > around. When I woke up I found out that the cyst was not on my ovary itself but > on the wall of tissue connecting the ovary and fallopian tubes. So he > removed the cyst and cauterized the area.He did assure me that everything looked > great and getting pregnant would not be a problem.I was told I would probably > bleed for about 3 weeks. That was fine by me because at the time i had a > little over 3 weeks till my wedding. My wedding, March 6th came and went and I was > still bleeding..let me tell you, this does not make for a pleasant wedding > night or honeymoon.By mid march I was still bleeding and went in to be > checked, he said my cervix was fine so it must be from my uterus. He put me on > Cenestin for one week to help boost the hormones in my BC. I had been on Nuva Ring > for over a year at this point with no problems and loving it. For those of > you lookingfor another BC method other than the patch or pill or shot, this is > great! During the week i was on Cenestin the bleeding slowed but never > stopped. Then it stopped for about a week and started up again. Finally at the > beginning of April I threw out the BC and just stopped worrying about everything > and it stopped completely. In Mid April i started feeling " pmsy " but then it > went away and i felt like i was ovulating. During this time my husband and I > had sex several times unprotected. While my husband would like to wait till > Sept to start trying I got excited thinking this might be it. Unfortunately > my period started yesterday. Even worse these are the worst cramps I have EVER > had...I have never been to the point were i couldnt do anything and today i > was..to make matters worse our AC went out and stayed out ALL day and the > morons at our apt complex didnt make matters better. > So anyway, I am majorly PMS and hoping that at least this will be the start > of a regular cycle for me...i'll be counting the days till my next period to > make sure > > Christie > > Open RNY 11-2002 > Down 140 lbs and holding steady > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 OK, You can all hear the " chicken little " scared voice in all these posts and this is what is going on in my head. I think to myself, , you have a high threshold for pain, what are you nervous about? You gave birth to your daughter naturally, no drugs, if you can do that, you can do this. " Well, the thing is, when Grace was out of me, it was OVER, big capital letters, OVER, and yes, it hurt like hell, but that is the method i chose. I worry about the AFTER of orthognathic surgery. DO you know what i mean? i know i can handle pain, but i am wondering about the eating, the swelling, the hygiene, etc........ Did others feel this way? No: K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 > OK, You can all hear the " chicken little " scared voice in all these > posts and this is what is going on in my head. I think to myself, > , you have a high threshold for pain, what are you nervous > about? You gave birth to your daughter naturally, no drugs, if you > can do that, you can do this. " Well, the thing is, when Grace was > out of me, it was OVER, big capital letters, OVER, and yes, it hurt > like hell, but that is the method i chose. I worry about the AFTER of > orthognathic surgery. DO you know what i mean? i know i can handle > pain, but i am wondering about the eating, the swelling, the hygiene, > etc........ Did others feel this way? No: K It's perfectly natural to be scared and worried about the possible outcomes of such a surgery. However, we forget often the most important fact of all : the human body is the most adaptative of all creations. This isn't the best example, but take it for its sens, not the actual comparison : Look at handicaped persons, drawing with their feet. Think of people with mental disabilities, or blind people walking around town. All of them weren't born this way. Their bodies adapted. They managed. Because they had the will to survive. And I suspect you have it as well :-) So, when faced with a difficult eating process for a few days, you'll adapt. You'll think of something, or you'll come here and say : " Hey guys, I want my beef! How can I get it? " And someone will pick up the question and answer it. Of the 5 answers you'll get, one will please you enough to try it. And it'll work! Don't worry too much about stuff you can't control, and have faith in your body's ability to cope with the unknown. And, if you fear you can't cope with such a task, ask your surgeon how some of his more difficult patients managed to get through this. He or she will give you pointers. Ray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 I think it's pretty normal to be nervous about the whole thing. That's why we have this message board, it really helped me to calm down before the surgery. The things that made me the most anxious were a) risks of surgery, breathing through my nose with my mouth fixed shut and c) weight loss. I can tell you that and c) were not a problem at all, and we're obviously still waiting for the outcome on a) because I still haven't fully healed yet. Jay > OK, You can all hear the " chicken little " scared voice in all these > posts and this is what is going on in my head. I think to myself, > , you have a high threshold for pain, what are you nervous > about? You gave birth to your daughter naturally, no drugs, if you > can do that, you can do this. " Well, the thing is, when Grace was > out of me, it was OVER, big capital letters, OVER, and yes, it hurt > like hell, but that is the method i chose. I worry about the AFTER of > orthognathic surgery. DO you know what i mean? i know i can handle > pain, but i am wondering about the eating, the swelling, the hygiene, > etc........ Did others feel this way? No: K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 you are not alone.. I get this with hailee all the time, even from my own family members.... We have a stroller and a wheelchair, she dosnt always need them, but she gets exausted so easily and cant walk, so yes she than uses her chair.. We have a handicapp sticker for our van, and people, (especialy the old ones at walmart)give us dirty looks if i take her out and we are just walking... :You are not alone, i think as parents of special needs children, this is just part of the game..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2005 Report Share Posted March 18, 2005 you are not alone.. I get this with hailee all the time, even from my own family members.... We have a stroller and a wheelchair, she dosnt always need them, but she gets exausted so easily and cant walk, so yes she than uses her chair.. We have a handicapp sticker for our van, and people, (especialy the old ones at walmart)give us dirty looks if i take her out and we are just walking... :You are not alone, i think as parents of special needs children, this is just part of the game..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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