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Hello group.

The low response rate to the poll about the possible name change makes

me wonder how many members (of the 700) are active, and how many (like

me) lurk in the background and seldom if ever post. What can the

moderators detect, and what can they tell the list about this?

And of course I love the list, and read it almost every day.

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Hi mmenar,

There is not a lot that the moderators know. Actually, the only moderators are

Pam who has a limited abilities as a moderator and a Professor at Vanderbilt who

set up the list.

The last I saw of the poll it was approaching 40 out of almost 700. The rules

and access for the poll are set by Yahoo Groups and not the list itself.

99% of the list (at least) is either a patient of a brain disorder; a family

member or caregiver; or an interested friend or former caregiver. We do NOT

care what your brain disorder is called and we have people on this list already

with MSA/SDS, PAF, POTS, CBGD, LBD, PD and others that I know of. No one is

opposed to them staying on the list. If we tie the list name down too much,

some people may feel excluded and I am not in favor of that. On the other hand

Pam and I have made every attempt to get links to the list updated by sending

emails (which included a link to the website and the words multiple systems

atrophy) to every search engine and health site including NIH.

We currtently have about one hundred people who write at least at times out of

about 700 list members, so there are a lot who never write. We do not know if

that is because they can not type due to the disorder, or just don't feel they

have anything to contribute. We are not really worried about why they do not

write as long as they are getting something out of the list. Pam and I do get

personal eamils at times saying that a list member we never knew has died and

that our notes helped the patient and/or caregiver at some point. I am sure

some of you get that type of note also.

That is the whole purpose of the list - to help each other. In the earlier days

of the list when there were only a hundred or so on the whole list, people did

not worry as much about labels. They did have concerns about getting some sort

of diagnoses and we all went through some apprehensive times getting a

diagnoses. We have seen people diagnosed as MSA who have died in a few years

and some that lived over 20 years, but the ones who live over 15 years usually

end up with a diagnoses of something other than MSA/SDS if they have an autopsy

after death. Even though they were diagnosed as MSA/SDS to the day they died.

There are no absolutes with these alphabet soup brain disorders. Do your

exercises as much as possible and try not to worry about what it is called.

Most of the info on this list applies in any caregiving situation as long as you

use the info for a specific symptom. If someone recommends a medicine which can

hurt certain people on the list, some of us will usually put out a warning that

it can hurt some or many of the people on the list.

Always trust your doctor above the info on the list. If a bunch of us disagree

with the doctor about treatment of a symptom, question the doctor as to why they

are treating it that way. The doctor should be able to tell you their reason

for using a different medicine and why they are doing it. We have the most

problems with ER doctors who tend to be trained in trauma more so than rare

brain disorders and autonomic failure. It pays to take some info on autonomic

failure with you to the ER for that reason.

Our poll is not the most scientific, but tells me people want to see MSA added

to the name. The National Support Group has already added it, but we are not

sure what that would do to our achives on the list and other administrative

tasks with links.

Hope this helps you with some background.

Take care, Bill Werre (member since March 1999)

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hi mmenar2001,

my name is sophia dohm. i guess u could call me a " lurker " . i used

to b very active. now , i just read.

Who are the members of this group?

> Hello group.

>

> The low response rate to the poll about the possible name change makes

> me wonder how many members (of the 700) are active, and how many (like

> me) lurk in the background and seldom if ever post. What can the

> moderators detect, and what can they tell the list about this?

>

> And of course I love the list, and read it almost every day.

>

>

>

> If you do not wish to belong to shydrager, you may

> unsubscribe by sending a blank email to

>

> shydrager-unsubscribe

>

>

>

>

>

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Sophia,

Good to hear from you. How are you doing?

Take care, Bill Werre

=========================================

>

>

> Date: 2002/08/13 Tue AM 11:01:04 CDT

> To: shydrager >

> Subject: Re: Who are the members of this group?

>

> hi mmenar2001,

>

> my name is sophia dohm. i guess u could call me a " lurker " . i used

> to b very active. now , i just read.

>

> Who are the members of this group?

>

>

> > Hello group.

> >

> > The low response rate to the poll about the possible name change makes

> > me wonder how many members (of the 700) are active, and how many (like

> > me) lurk in the background and seldom if ever post. What can the

> > moderators detect, and what can they tell the list about this?

> >

> > And of course I love the list, and read it almost every day.

> >

> >

> >

> > If you do not wish to belong to shydrager, you may

> > unsubscribe by sending a blank email to

> >

> > shydrager-unsubscribe

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I second Bill's comments below on " labels " for the list. I consider myself

active and have NOT voted because I have mixed feelings. I do subscribe to

Bill's comments about not worrying about the alphabet soup and deal with

the management of symptoms which tend to be more alike than the names.

Message: 11

Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:30:35 -0500

Subject: Re: Who are the members of this group?

Hi mmenar,

There is not a lot that the moderators know. Actually, the only moderators

are Pam who has a limited abilities as a moderator and a Professor at

Vanderbilt who set up the list.

The last I saw of the poll it was approaching 40 out of almost 700. The

rules and access for the poll are set by Yahoo Groups and not the list itself.

99% of the list (at least) is either a patient of a brain disorder; a

family member or caregiver; or an interested friend or former

caregiver. We do NOT care what your brain disorder is called and we have

people on this list already with MSA/SDS, PAF, POTS, CBGD, LBD, PD and

others that I know of. No one is opposed to them staying on the list. If

we tie the list name down too much, some people may feel excluded and I am

not in favor of that. On the other hand Pam and I have made every attempt

to get links to the list updated by sending emails (which included a link

to the website and the words multiple systems atrophy) to every search

engine and health site including NIH.

We currtently have about one hundred people who write at least at times out

of about 700 list members, so there are a lot who never write. We do not

know if that is because they can not type due to the disorder, or just

don't feel they have anything to contribute. We are not really worried

about why they do not write as long as they are getting something out of

the list. Pam and I do get personal eamils at times saying that a list

member we never knew has died and that our notes helped the patient and/or

caregiver at some point. I am sure some of you get that type of note also.

That is the whole purpose of the list - to help each other. In the earlier

days of the list when there were only a hundred or so on the whole list,

people did not worry as much about labels. They did have concerns about

getting some sort of diagnoses and we all went through some apprehensive

times getting a diagnoses. We have seen people diagnosed as MSA who have

died in a few years and some that lived over 20 years, but the ones who

live over 15 years usually end up with a diagnoses of something other than

MSA/SDS if they have an autopsy after death. Even though they were

diagnosed as MSA/SDS to the day they died.

There are no absolutes with these alphabet soup brain disorders. Do your

exercises as much as possible and try not to worry about what it is

called. Most of the info on this list applies in any caregiving situation

as long as you use the info for a specific symptom. If someone recommends

a medicine which can hurt certain people on the list, some of us will

usually put out a warning that it can hurt some or many of the people on

the list.

Always trust your doctor above the info on the list. If a bunch of us

disagree with the doctor about treatment of a symptom, question the doctor

as to why they are treating it that way. The doctor should be able to tell

you their reason for using a different medicine and why they are doing

it. We have the most problems with ER doctors who tend to be trained in

trauma more so than rare brain disorders and autonomic failure. It pays to

take some info on autonomic failure with you to the ER for that reason.

Our poll is not the most scientific, but tells me people want to see MSA

added to the name. The National Support Group has already added it, but we

are not sure what that would do to our achives on the list and other

administrative tasks with links.

Hope this helps you with some background.

Take care, Bill Werre (member since March 1999)

>

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Sennewald Charlottesville, Virginia

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