Re: UTI >Barb Pond ..Bill Werre

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Hi Bill:

I see your picking on me again, huh? ) The reason I said something about Saw Palmetto was because that's what Fred's urologist told him to try and then I said that I didn't think it worked any better then Cranberries. ( See right there at the bottom) Question now is ? What cranberry sauce do you think works best? Your cranberry sauce or Pam cranberry relish? )

Take Care & hugs

Vera

************

Hi all,

Saw Palmetto was mentioned for UTI's and I just want to mention that as a

"natural supplement" it is not well controlled or tested. Food products like

cranberry juice are processed in inspected plants and are subjected to random

testing. However, I am not sure about cranberry pills as they are probably

considered a supplement. Note too that cranberry sauce is about the right

consistancy for easy swallowing.

If a product is not inspected, there is a chance of contamination or bacteria

in the supplement. The last thing a MSA patient needs is a bacterial

infection. I always made sure Charlotte got as sterile as possible food or

liquids.

Another problem with untested supplements is that they vary so bad in dosage.

A test of off the shelf supplements several years ago in California showed

variations of up to 8 times the listed dosage. Beware of what is going into

your body. There are some supplements that are tested, but a store owner is

NOT the best authority on which ones are tested.

Take care, Bill Werre

Barb:

Some herbs are used as urinary antiseptic. This maybe what they are talking about when they suggest a urinary antiseptic.

Here is a list of some that are used as an urinary antiseptic. Fred's first urologist had him on Saw Palmetto for awhile to see if that would help control the UTI's. I think Cranberries work just as well.

Take Care

Vera

[Guest guest]

Vera,

I STILL prefer Ocean Spray jellied cranberry sauce ) I don't like the whole

berries ) If I didn't pick on you, who would?

Cranberries are natural too ) But as part of my job, we toured processing

plants and the difference in cleanliness between regulated food plants and

unregulated canning plants was horrendous. In food processing plants, they even

regulate the lubricants allowed to be used, but in a " natural supplement "

packing plants I once saw a can of oil which I know had toxic ingredients, used

where it could touch the product.

Take care, Bill Werre

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>

> From: FVJAMES@...

> Date: 2002/08/16 Fri PM 12:47:17 CDT

> To: shydrager

> Subject: Re: UTI >Barb Pond ..Bill Werre

>

> Hi Bill:

> I see your picking on me again, huh? ) The reason I said something

> about Saw Palmetto was because that's what Fred's urologist told him to try

> and then I said that I didn't think it worked any better then Cranberries. (

> See right there at the bottom) Question now is ? What cranberry sauce do you

> think works best? Your cranberry sauce or Pam cranberry relish? )

>

>

> Take Care & hugs

> Vera

> ************

>

Hi Bill:

I see your picking on me again, huh? ) The reason I said something about Saw Palmetto was because that's what Fred's urologist told him to try and then I said that I didn't think it worked any better then Cranberries. ( See right there at the bottom) Question now is ? What cranberry sauce do you think works best? Your cranberry sauce or Pam cranberry relish? )

Take Care & hugs

Vera

************

Hi all,

Saw Palmetto was mentioned for UTI's and I just want to mention that as a

"natural supplement" it is not well controlled or tested. Food products like

cranberry juice are processed in inspected plants and are subjected to random

testing. However, I am not sure about cranberry pills as they are probably

considered a supplement. Note too that cranberry sauce is about the right

consistancy for easy swallowing.

If a product is not inspected, there is a chance of contamination or bacteria

in the supplement. The last thing a MSA patient needs is a bacterial

infection. I always made sure Charlotte got as sterile as possible food or

liquids.

Another problem with untested supplements is that they vary so bad in dosage.

A test of off the shelf supplements several years ago in California showed

variations of up to 8 times the listed dosage. Beware of what is going into

your body. There are some supplements that are tested, but a store owner is

NOT the best authority on which ones are tested.

Take care, Bill Werre

Barb:

Some herbs are used as urinary antiseptic. This maybe what they are talking about when they suggest a urinary antiseptic.

Here is a list of some that are used as an urinary antiseptic. Fred's first urologist had him on Saw Palmetto for awhile to see if that would help control the UTI's. I think Cranberries work just as well.

Take Care

Vera

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[Guest guest]

Hi Bill:

You back from your interview already? )

Well you know if you didn't pick on me, Fred would, but I don't think he has as much fun as you do.

Hey was the job interview to tour the processing plants ? Ok! just kidding. I guess it's a good thing your on the job. ) Got to give you a hard time sometimes too. It makes my day bighter.

Take Care

Vera

Vera,

I STILL prefer Ocean Spray jellied cranberry sauce ) I don't like the whole

berries ) If I didn't pick on you, who would?

Cranberries are natural too ) But as part of my job, we toured processing

plants and the difference in cleanliness between regulated food plants and

unregulated canning plants was horrendous. In food processing plants, they

even regulate the lubricants allowed to be used, but in a "natural supplement"

packing plants I once saw a can of oil which I know had toxic ingredients, used

where it could touch the product.

Take care, Bill Werre

[Guest guest]

Bill,

This might sound like a silly question but I don't mean it to be. How

much of the can of Ocean Spray jellied cranberry sauce should one eat

each day to keep from having an uti? I would rather eat it than drink

it.

Thanks,

Belinda

-- In shydrager@y..., wrote:

> Vera,

>

> I STILL prefer Ocean Spray jellied cranberry sauce ) I don't

like the whole berries ) If I didn't pick on you, who would?

>

> Cranberries are natural too ) But as part of my job, we toured

processing plants and the difference in cleanliness between regulated

food plants and unregulated canning plants was horrendous. In food

processing plants, they even regulate the lubricants allowed to be

used, but in a " natural supplement " packing plants I once saw a can

of oil which I know had toxic ingredients, used where it could touch

the product.

>

> Take care, Bill Werre

>

> ===============================================

> >

> > From: FVJAMES@a...

> > Date: 2002/08/16 Fri PM 12:47:17 CDT

> > To: shydrager@y...

> > Subject: Re: UTI >Barb Pond ..Bill Werre

> >

> > Hi Bill:

> > I see your picking on me again, huh? ) The reason I said

something

> > about Saw Palmetto was because that's what Fred's urologist told

him to try

> > and then I said that I didn't think it worked any better then

Cranberries. (

> > See right there at the bottom) Question now is ? What cranberry

sauce do you

> > think works best? Your cranberry sauce or Pam cranberry

relish? )

> >

> >

> > Take Care & hugs

> > Vera

> > ************

> >

[Guest guest]

Belinda,

I would guess as much as you wanted ) Sometimes I pig out and eat a whole can

) Look at the nutrician info on the can and decide how much of a can gives

you a whole days supply of Vitamin C and/or vitamin A - I would not eat much

more than that per day. In mega doses those vitamins can give you problems but

unless you take huge doses of supplements or eat something like shark's liver,

it's tough to ingest dangerous amounts with a normal diet.

Charlotte did not like the sauce, and had a PEG (feeding) tube. So I poured

about 8 ounces of juice in about twice a day (added benefit - it cleans the PEG

tube). Anyone having problems with cleaning a PEG tube after supplements if

cranberry juice won't clean it - try Coca Cola, pour it in and seal while it's

still in the tube - then wait 30 minutes before flushing with water.

Take care, Bill Werre

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>

>

> Date: 2002/08/19 Mon AM 07:10:17 CDT

> To: shydrager

> Subject: Re: UTI >Barb Pond ..Bill Werre

>

> Bill,

> This might sound like a silly question but I don't mean it to be. How

> much of the can of Ocean Spray jellied cranberry sauce should one eat

> each day to keep from having an uti? I would rather eat it than drink

> it.

> Thanks,

> Belinda

>

>

> -- In shydrager@y..., wrote:

> > Vera,

> >

> > I STILL prefer Ocean Spray jellied cranberry sauce ) I don't

> like the whole berries ) If I didn't pick on you, who would?

> >

> > Cranberries are natural too ) But as part of my job, we toured

> processing plants and the difference in cleanliness between regulated

> food plants and unregulated canning plants was horrendous. In food

> processing plants, they even regulate the lubricants allowed to be

> used, but in a " natural supplement " packing plants I once saw a can

> of oil which I know had toxic ingredients, used where it could touch

> the product.

> >

> > Take care, Bill Werre

> >

> > ===============================================

> > >

> > > From: FVJAMES@a...

> > > Date: 2002/08/16 Fri PM 12:47:17 CDT

> > > To: shydrager@y...

> > > Subject: Re: UTI >Barb Pond ..Bill Werre

> > >

> > > Hi Bill:

> > > I see your picking on me again, huh? ) The reason I said

> something

> > > about Saw Palmetto was because that's what Fred's urologist told

> him to try

> > > and then I said that I didn't think it worked any better then

> Cranberries. (

> > > See right there at the bottom) Question now is ? What cranberry

> sauce do you

> > > think works best? Your cranberry sauce or Pam cranberry

> relish? )

> > >

> > >

> > > Take Care & hugs

> > > Vera

> > > ************

> > >

>

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