Re: male/female content of list

[Guest guest]

,

60% or more of MSA patients are men. Yet we have had less than a dozen male

caregivers on the list over the years (who write anyway). You are the human

behaviour expert ) you tell me.

I did take supervisory courses in human behavior ) BUT I never had a woman

apply for any machinist jobs ) I did meet a woman machinist one time and she

seemed to be well informed on the latest techniques in metal working. However,

most women do not like to get their hands dirty ) and that is impossible when

cutting ot forming metal.

I DO remember that it was explained to us that men and women DO process

information differently. AND I do sometimes irritate many women on the list

with my analytic comments at times, when I am just trying to explain a fact.

More women are " Feelers " rather than " Judgers " - at least that is what they

taught me ) I always score close to the middle between the F and J - but

always at least one more on the J side (can't remember is that Myers-Briggs)

)

The list itself tends to be very much on the Feeler side ) and logic tends to

get squashed at times, BUT if you keep communicating, things tend to stay at an

even keel. ) Just like supervising a group of highly skilled people with

different ideas about how a job should be done. There may be 5 ways to do a

job, but only one way is best for a specific person.

I think most men have trouble dealing with the illogical effects of MSA. It is

not something that more time and effort can necessarily beat and it follows no

logical progression. I know as an engineer, it bothered me that no solution

could be found, just as several other men have expressed to me, so I am not

alone. I have learned that the only way to beat that feeling for me - is to get

as much info on it as possible to as many people as possible. That is why I am

here - I hope I can help a few people beat MSA for a few years until a cure

comes along.

Take care, Bill Werre

=====================================

>

>

> Date: 2002/08/19 Mon PM 11:50:55 CDT

> To: shydrager

> Subject: BILL>Re: Numbskull?

>

> BILL,

>

> THANKS FOR THE LINK.

>

> VERA WAS GOING TO SEND IT TO ME - BUT GUESS YOU BEAT HER. ACTUALLY,

> SHE WAS GOING TO SEND ME SOMETHING ELSE. I SEE SHE'S ON NOW - OR WAS

> ANYWAY - SO GUESS I'LL SEE WHAT SHE HAS TO SAY.

>

> QUESTION - PERTAINING TO ONE OF YOUR POSTS TO VERA...

>

> WHY IS IT - IF MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO GET MSA ARE MEN - THERE ARE SO

> MANY WOMEN POSTING ON HERE? GUESS IT'S A TRUE " SILENT MAJORITY " -

> HUH? :-)

>

> HAVE A GOOD ONE - SURPRISED TO SEE YOU UP SO LATE - ARE YOU A NIGHT

> OWL TOO?

>

> PAUL

>

[Guest guest]

Bill,

Whew!!!! You are taking your life in your own hands with this comment

> " However, most women do not like to get their hands dirty "

Good Luck!!! You are going to need it.

Marilyn

>

> Reply-To: shydrager

> Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:33:26 -0500

> To: shydrager

> Subject: Re: male/female content of list

>

>

>

> ,

>

> 60% or more of MSA patients are men. Yet we have had less than a dozen male

> caregivers on the list over the years (who write anyway). You are the human

> behaviour expert ) you tell me.

>

> I did take supervisory courses in human behavior ) BUT I never had a woman

> apply for any machinist jobs ) I did meet a woman machinist one time and

> she seemed to be well informed on the latest techniques in metal working.

> However, most women do not like to get their hands dirty ) and that is

> impossible when cutting ot forming metal.

>

> I DO remember that it was explained to us that men and women DO process

> information differently. AND I do sometimes irritate many women on the list

> with my analytic comments at times, when I am just trying to explain a fact.

> More women are " Feelers " rather than " Judgers " - at least that is what they

> taught me ) I always score close to the middle between the F and J - but

> always at least one more on the J side (can't remember is that Myers-Briggs)

> )

>

> The list itself tends to be very much on the Feeler side ) and logic tends

> to get squashed at times, BUT if you keep communicating, things tend to stay

> at an even keel. ) Just like supervising a group of highly skilled people

> with different ideas about how a job should be done. There may be 5 ways to

> do a job, but only one way is best for a specific person.

>

> I think most men have trouble dealing with the illogical effects of MSA. It

> is not something that more time and effort can necessarily beat and it follows

> no logical progression. I know as an engineer, it bothered me that no

> solution could be found, just as several other men have expressed to me, so I

> am not alone. I have learned that the only way to beat that feeling for me -

> is to get as much info on it as possible to as many people as possible. That

> is why I am here - I hope I can help a few people beat MSA for a few years

> until a cure comes along.

>

> Take care, Bill Werre

>

> =====================================

>>

>>

>> Date: 2002/08/19 Mon PM 11:50:55 CDT

>> To: shydrager

>> Subject: BILL>Re: Numbskull?

>>

>> BILL,

>>

>> THANKS FOR THE LINK.

>>

>> VERA WAS GOING TO SEND IT TO ME - BUT GUESS YOU BEAT HER. ACTUALLY,

>> SHE WAS GOING TO SEND ME SOMETHING ELSE. I SEE SHE'S ON NOW - OR WAS

>> ANYWAY - SO GUESS I'LL SEE WHAT SHE HAS TO SAY.

>>

>> QUESTION - PERTAINING TO ONE OF YOUR POSTS TO VERA...

>>

>> WHY IS IT - IF MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO GET MSA ARE MEN - THERE ARE SO

>> MANY WOMEN POSTING ON HERE? GUESS IT'S A TRUE " SILENT MAJORITY " -

>> HUH? :-)

>>

>> HAVE A GOOD ONE - SURPRISED TO SEE YOU UP SO LATE - ARE YOU A NIGHT

>> OWL TOO?

>>

>> PAUL

>>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Marilyn,

With the exception of some farm gals, like my mom, I have seen few women who

wanted to work around machinery which was greasy. In the metalworking trades,

the number of women is about 3% and auto mechanics the number is similar. When

it comes to jobs where patience is required, like intricate (and clean)

mechanical assembly - that is another story as women (on the average) have more

patience than men.

Do you like to get all greasy working on cars ?? ) I know Charlotte did not

like to get greasy. Even when she worked as manager of a gas station (which did

repairs) she did NOT do anything to get dirty ) She had the men do the

cleaning )

Now she did NOT mind getting her hands dirty in dirt ) But when it came to

digging holes in our shale clay dirt for bushes with a pick and shovel, guess

who was elected ) She liked puttering around with her flowers almost to her

death - I had a table on the deck for her to repot plants and make up her

hanging baskets.

Even Vera did not pick on me about that remark - of course she will fire

something at me today )

Take care, Bill Werre

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>

>

> Date: 2002/08/20 Tue PM 11:35:06 CDT

> To: shydrager >

> Subject: Re: Re: male/female content of list

>

> Bill,

>

> Whew!!!! You are taking your life in your own hands with this comment

>

> > " However, most women do not like to get their hands dirty "

>

> Good Luck!!! You are going to need it.

>

> Marilyn

>

> >

> > Reply-To: shydrager

> > Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:33:26 -0500

> > To: shydrager

> > Subject: Re: male/female content of list

> >

> >

> >

> > ,

> >

> > 60% or more of MSA patients are men. Yet we have had less than a dozen male

> > caregivers on the list over the years (who write anyway). You are the human

> > behaviour expert ) you tell me.

> >

> > I did take supervisory courses in human behavior ) BUT I never had a woman

> > apply for any machinist jobs ) I did meet a woman machinist one time and

> > she seemed to be well informed on the latest techniques in metal working.

> > However, most women do not like to get their hands dirty ) and that is

> > impossible when cutting ot forming metal.

> >

> > I DO remember that it was explained to us that men and women DO process

> > information differently. AND I do sometimes irritate many women on the list

> > with my analytic comments at times, when I am just trying to explain a fact.

> > More women are " Feelers " rather than " Judgers " - at least that is what they

> > taught me ) I always score close to the middle between the F and J - but

> > always at least one more on the J side (can't remember is that Myers-Briggs)

> > )

> >

> > The list itself tends to be very much on the Feeler side ) and logic tends

> > to get squashed at times, BUT if you keep communicating, things tend to stay

> > at an even keel. ) Just like supervising a group of highly skilled people

> > with different ideas about how a job should be done. There may be 5 ways to

> > do a job, but only one way is best for a specific person.

> >

> > I think most men have trouble dealing with the illogical effects of MSA. It

> > is not something that more time and effort can necessarily beat and it

follows

> > no logical progression. I know as an engineer, it bothered me that no

> > solution could be found, just as several other men have expressed to me, so

I

> > am not alone. I have learned that the only way to beat that feeling for me

-

> > is to get as much info on it as possible to as many people as possible.

That

> > is why I am here - I hope I can help a few people beat MSA for a few years

> > until a cure comes along.

> >

> > Take care, Bill Werre

> >

> > =====================================

> >>

> >>

> >> Date: 2002/08/19 Mon PM 11:50:55 CDT

> >> To: shydrager

> >> Subject: BILL>Re: Numbskull?

> >>

> >> BILL,

> >>

> >> THANKS FOR THE LINK.

> >>

> >> VERA WAS GOING TO SEND IT TO ME - BUT GUESS YOU BEAT HER. ACTUALLY,

> >> SHE WAS GOING TO SEND ME SOMETHING ELSE. I SEE SHE'S ON NOW - OR WAS

> >> ANYWAY - SO GUESS I'LL SEE WHAT SHE HAS TO SAY.

> >>

> >> QUESTION - PERTAINING TO ONE OF YOUR POSTS TO VERA...

> >>

> >> WHY IS IT - IF MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO GET MSA ARE MEN - THERE ARE SO

> >> MANY WOMEN POSTING ON HERE? GUESS IT'S A TRUE " SILENT MAJORITY " -

> >> HUH? :-)

> >>

> >> HAVE A GOOD ONE - SURPRISED TO SEE YOU UP SO LATE - ARE YOU A NIGHT

> >> OWL TOO?

> >>

> >> PAUL

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> > If you do not wish to belong to shydrager, you may

> > unsubscribe by sending a blank email to

> >

> > shydrager-unsubscribe

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >