Re: Re: B.S., M.S. , PhD, etc

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) And my old boss said that ten years after you got a degree, it should not

mean a thing. I worked extensively with PhD's and some were brilliant, others

had not done a significant piece of work since they got their degree 40 years

previously. Some could not write a sentence which anyone else could read and

understand, and some could explain how an X-ray was formed in layman's terms.

If I am looking for an engineering job, I am W. Werre, CMfgT (Certified

Manufacturing Technologist) which just means that I took a wide spectrum test on

engineering principles and passed it, then took 60 CEU every three years (or

wrote papers) until I turned 60 - after that they assume (and we KNOW what

assume means ) that you know your stuff.

The letters are an indicator that you cared enough at one point to take a test (

or series of courses) at some point and maintain that level of competence. BUT

as you know, they are not infalible either.

Take care, Bill Werre

P.S. I do not think I could pass my certification test today )

>

>

> Date: 2002/08/19 Mon PM 11:37:11 CDT

> To: shydrager

> Subject: Re: Doc in Washington>

>

> HI AGAIN BELINDA.

>

> YOU WERE BUSY THIS MORNING - WEREN'T YOU? :-)

>

> LET'S SEE...

>

> THOSE INITIALS...

>

> LET'S START WITH THE M.S.

>

> LET'S SEE HOW SMART YOU ARE...

>

> FIRST THERE IS B.S.

>

> WE CALL IT A BACHELOR OF SCIENCE - BUT YOU KNOW WHAT B.S. REALLY

> STANDS FOR - RIGHT?

>

> OK.

>

> THEN TAKE THE M.S. - THAT STANDS FOR " MORE __ __ __ __ "

>

> MY OLD BOSS USED TO SAY THAT PH.D. STOOD FOR " PILED HIGHER AND

> DEEPER. " :-)

>

> SEE - THERE ARE SOME IN MY FIELD WHO ENJOY EVOKING LAUGHTER.

>

> MY FIELD? WELL... NOW WE'LL REALLY TEST EVERYONE - AND SEE IF THEY

> CLAM UP :-)

>

> MY FIELD IS PSYCHOLOGY.

>

> MY MASTER'S IS IN COUNSELING/PRE-CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGY.

>

> I'VE BEEN WORKING IN MY FIELD FOR 15 YEARS. YOU'D THINK AFTER ALL

> THIS " PRACTICING " I COULD GET ON WITH DOING SOME " REAL WORK " -

> WOULDN'T YA?! :-)

>

> ANYWAY, I SOMEHOW ENDED UP SPECIALIZING IN WORKING WITH THE MENTALLY

> RETARDED. I ALSO WORK WITH CHILDREN - AND DO SOME " NORMAL " ADULT

> WORK, BUT MOST OF THAT IS IN THE FORM OF ASSESSMENTS.

>

> THUS, THE OTHER LETTERS AFTER MY NAME:

>

> BCBA - STANDS FOR " BOARD CERTIFIED BEHAVIOR ANALYST " . THAT ONE TOOK

> A LOT OF STUDY - ON TOP OF THE MASTERS. IT IS AN EXCLUSIVE TITLE.

> THERE ARE ONLY A HANDFUL (LITERALLY) IN THIS STATE WHO HAVE IT. IT'S

> A NATIONAL CERTIFICATION - RECOGNIZED IN ALL 50 STATES. THAT IS WHY

> I AM SUPPOSE TO GO TO FLORIDA NEXT MONTH - TO MAKE SURE I RETAIN THAT

> CERTIFICATION - BY TAKING CEU COURSEWORK.

>

> LBP - STANDS FOR " LICENSED BEHAVIORAL PRACTITIONER " . THIS IS THE NEW

> LICENSE HERE IN THE STATE OF OKLAHOMA WHICH ENABLES MASTER'S LEVEL

> PRACTITIONERS TO HAVE THEIR OWN PRACTICE. I WAS JUST GETTING

> UNDERWAY WITH THIS LAST FALL - WHEN MY BODY BEGAN TO MORE RAPIDLY

> FALL APART (IT HAD BEEN DECLINING FOR AT LEAST A YEAR BEFORE THAT -

> AND THEY SUSPECT I HAD MY FIRST TIA 2 YEARS BEFORE THAT).

>

> ANYWAY, LOTS OF LETTERS - WHICH DON'T MEAN A HILL OF BEANS TO MANY

> PEOPLE. WHAT MATTERS MOST TO THOSE I SERVE OUT HERE - IS HOW I SERVE

> THEM. AND... MUST DO PRETTY GOOD AT IT - EVEN IN THE SEVERELY

> LIMITED CAPACITY THAT I PERFORM MY TASKS NOW - BECAUSE EVERYONE SEEMS

> TO WANT ME TO REMAIN ON THEIR CLIENT'S CASELOADS - EXCEPT THAT ONE

> CASE MANAGER WHO WANTS THOSE 3 REPORTS TOMORROW MORNING :-) NAW -

> SHE'S JUST A STICKLER FOR DETAILS - AND SOME OF THOSE GOVERNMENT

> TYPES HAVE TO HAVE THEIR PAPERWORK OR THEY GET A BIT EDGY.

>

> CATCH YA LATER BELINDA - AND I'M NO SMARTER THAN ANYONE ELSE (IN

> FACT, MY IQ TEST I TOOK IN GRADUATE SCHOOL PROVED THAT - I JUST WORK

> HARDER THAN MOST AT DOING WHAT I DO - A LOT HARDER - AND THOSE WHO

> ARE " HEALTHY " HAVE NO IDEA HOW HARD I'M WORKING NOW JUST TO SURVIVE :-

> ) DO THEY?

>

> BESIDES, IF I REALLY WERE THAT MUCH SMARTER - SURELY I WOULD HAVE

> PICKED A PROFESSION WHICH PAYS BETTER - LIKE PSYCHIATRY :-)

>

> I SURE CAN'T COMPLAIN THOUGH - BECAUSE I'M STILL ABLE TO WORK - AND

> GIVEN MY PITIFUL PERFORMANCE LEVELS NOW - THAT'S NOTHING SHORT OF A

> MIRACLE - AND A TRUE BLESSING, AS I DON'T WANT TO QUIT WORKING - AND

> DON'T EVER WANT TO RETIRE.

>

> PAUL

>

>

> > > Hi. Can't even remember where the original post came from -

> after

> > > all the dickering between Vera and Bill :-)

> > >

> > > But... anyway... I searched around, and did come up with one

> > doc.

> > > This one came from the Arnold Chiari Malformation physician

> > referral

> > > site. I realize the disorders are not the same, or necessarily

> > > related, but perhaps it will at least be a good place to start.

> At

> > > this point - it's at least " A " place to start :-)

> > >

> > > I tried to email the person who actually made the recommendation

> on

> > > the ACM site regarding this physician, but the email was returned

> > to

> > > me undelivered. So, take it for what it's worth - and ACM makes

> no

> > > group claims regarding the skills of docs on their website - but -

>

> > as

> > > I said - at least it is SOMEPLACE to start. And if you don't

> want

> > to

> > > travel far - at least at first...

> > >

> > > Dr. G. Ellenbogen

> > > Neurological Surgery

> > > Children's Hospital and Regional Medical Center

> > > 4800 Snad Point Way N.E.

> > > P.O. Box 5371

> > > Seattle 98105-0371

> > > (ph)

> > >

> > >

> > > By the way Vera, can't help but get in another " jab " here...

> What

> > > kind of a doc works at a place called " Knife " something or

> other?!

> > > Had to laugh when I saw that! (That was where one of the docs

> you

> > > found officed from - wasn't it? Or is my memory just proving

> it's

> > > fallibility? :-)

> > >

> > > While I'm at it, here is one from Oregon who actually had 2

> people

> > > willing to recommend him/her (Kim is a pretty generic name from

> > what

> > > I've found).

> > >

> > > Dr. Kim J. Burchiel

> > > OHSU

> > > Department of Neurosurgery

> > > Portland, Oregon

> > >

> > > There was one more from the Portland area:

> > >

> > > Dr. ny Delashaw

> > > Neurosurgeon

> > > OHSU

> > > 3181 SW Sam Park Road, L472

> > > Portland, Oregon 97201-3098

> > >

> > >

> > > No names of people who recommended him (guess ny could be a

> > girl

> > > too - ? Life is so confusing nowadays :-) but at least there is

> a

> > > phone number, and appears last one offices from similar location

> as

> > > former.

> > >

> > > Perhaps you're closer to another state. I can't remember where

> you

> > > said you were from - what part of WA... But, if you go to the

> ACM

> > > site, you can find other docs, and find these as well - and even

> > > click on the people who recommended them (and see if you can find

> > any

> > > of them with email addresses that are still valid - most/all of

> > them

> > > I've written have been returned).

> > >

> > > ACM website - physician referral pages part:

> > > http://www.pressenter.com/~wacma/usdocs2.htm#Wisconsin

> > >

> > > Don't be deceived by the " Wisconsin " in the name... it is

> actually

> > a

> > > list of all states. There is another if Canada is actually

> closer

> > to

> > > you: http://www.pressenter.com/~wacma/country.htm

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > And, lest anyone think I'm just surfing ACM due to Tenacity's

> > > experiences of late - nope - I've been on the ACM path a while.

> In

> > > fact, trying to pin down which doc(s) to send my MRI pics to.

> (And

> > > I've delayed that process due to info received from , to

> > assess

> > > all information I can get.)

> > >

> > > Had theories validated recently, when someone from Canada looked

> at

> > > my pics and said indeed I do appear to have Chiari. Now, whether

> > > that will help with anything - that remains to be seen. And, I

> > know

> > > of people who had ACM - but also had MSA - and still had the MSA

> > > after ACM surgery.

> > >

> > > Is this what is meant by Alphabet soup? :-)

> > >

> > > I'm used to it, my name is professionally followed by: M.S.,

> > > B.C.B.A., L.B.P. and when my wife took over as my secretary, I

> had

> > > to write out a page of over 40 abbreviations we use daily - but

> no

> > > one outside my profession would know them. :-)

> > >

> > > Pablito

>

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