Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 Beth: People always were surprised that when we took Ken in the car, we used our Suburban instead of the seemingly more convenient Camry. A van would have been even better with a wheelchair ramp, but we never got one although we thought about it a lot. We did find, however, that if we stood ken up, he could sit on the higher seat much more easily than bend over to get in the Camry. this also was true when he was getting out. He could put his feet on the ground and stand from the Suburban with much less trouble than the Camry. Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 Gert, To answer your question, YES, a Van is much better. I bought a 2002 Ford Windstar Limited. It is wonderfull. It has the automatic slidding doors and that is really a great feature cause all you have to do is hit the botton on you litte remote and wam! the door is either closed or open. I have a 6 ft folding ramp and after Deb gets in the front seat, I just drive her Electric wheel chair on in and away we go. Now at that time Ford had a lift rebate of $1000. I was not able to get it because so much was happeing at that time that actually I forgot about it and now it is too late. You have 6 months to apply for it. One other thing, Some of the 0% finacing is ending I think today. but when I purchased ours, I also got 0% for 5 yrs.. Hey, there is no Pay Off penality..lol.. Another helpfull thing is that when you go shopping for a New Vehicle, do it on line.. you can build the exact unit you want and than you will know the actuall retail price. Just for your information, there is approx 14% mark up. There is another 3 % that the dealer gets back after the sale from the Mfg but I can tell you. That is not something they will EVER deal with. You should be able to buy one for roughly about $100.00 over actuall factory invoice. After you decide what you really want, call around and ask for the Fleet Dept. Ask them if they are willing to sell it for the $100 over plus the tax and Lic fee. Dont worry about where you buy it. It really makes no difference. They the dealers all have to service you or they will lose their franchise. If you have a trade, that makes things actually bad for you. If you can. Dont trade. Sell it out right. Cause you might get the $100 over, but they might steal your trade. so your than right back to square one with price. I hope this makes sence to you. If it doesnt write me off line and I will try to explain futher.. P.S. I have been in the Automobile Bussiness for over 30 years. I use to own a chain of Dealerships in California, Nissan, Toyota, Dodger, Chevrolet, Saab, and Subaru. So what I am telling you is from my own professional knowledge. Good luck and let me know if there is any thing else I might do for you. " tenacity's man " >From: GFKN3790@... >Reply-To: shydrager >To: shydrager >Subject: Re: scooters >Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:13:55 EDT > >Thanks Judy > >You advice is helpful and inspiring. We went to Walmart (Thanks DR Ray) >yesterday to try out the scooters there. Of course we ran into someone we >knew and Mark was fine. I'm glad it happened it broke the ice. So a van >is >better than a SUV? >Gert _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 I have to agree on how nice it is to have a van. My husband and I bought a Dodge Grand Caravan in April of this year. It has been one of the best purchases I've ever made! My husband is still able to stand and get to and from his wheelchair on his own and since he is 6'3 " he's tall enough to just stand and slide right onto the van seat! So much better than him trying to fold his long legs and body into a mid-size car. I also got information on the rebates for accessibility but decided we didn't need it at this time. I'm definitely a van lover!! Beth ---------- " Setzer " rsetzersr@...> writes: To: shydrager Subject: buying a vehicle Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 10:50:05 -0400 Gert, To answer your question, YES, a Van is much better. I bought a 2002 Ford Windstar Limited. It is wonderfull. It has the automatic slidding doors and that is really a great feature cause all you have to do is hit the botton on you litte remote and wam! the door is either closed or open. I have a 6 ft folding ramp and after Deb gets in the front seat, I just drive her Electric wheel chair on in and away we go. Now at that time Ford had a lift rebate of $1000. I was not able to get it because so much was happeing at that time that actually I forgot about it and now it is too late. You have 6 months to apply for it. One other thing, Some of the 0% finacing is ending I think today. but when I purchased ours, I also got 0% for 5 yrs.. Hey, there is no Pay Off penality..lol.. Another helpfull thing is that when you go shopping for a New Vehicle, do it on line.. you can build the exact unit you want and than you will know the actuall retail price. Just for your information, there is approx 14% mark up. There is another 3 % that the dealer gets back after the sale from the Mfg but I can tell you. That is not something they will EVER deal with. You should be able to buy one for roughly about $100.00 over actuall factory invoice. After you decide what you really want, call around and ask for the Fleet Dept. Ask them if they are willing to sell it for the $100 over plus the tax and Lic fee. Dont worry about where you buy it. It really makes no difference. They the dealers all have to service you or they will lose their franchise. If you have a trade, that makes things actually bad for you. If you can. Dont trade. Sell it out right. Cause you might get the $100 over, but they might steal your trade. so your than right back to square one with price. I hope this makes sence to you. If it doesnt write me off line and I will try to explain futher.. P.S. I have been in the Automobile Bussiness for over 30 years. I use to own a chain of Dealerships in California, Nissan, Toyota, Dodger, Chevrolet, Saab, and Subaru. So what I am telling you is from my own professional knowledge. Good luck and let me know if there is any thing else I might do for you. " tenacity's man " >From: GFKN3790@... >Reply-To: shydrager >To: shydrager >Subject: Re: scooters >Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:13:55 EDT > >Thanks Judy > >You advice is helpful and inspiring. We went to Walmart (Thanks DR Ray) >yesterday to try out the scooters there. Of course we ran into someone we >knew and Mark was fine. I'm glad it happened it broke the ice. So a van >is >better than a SUV? >Gert _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com If you do not wish to belong to shydrager, you may unsubscribe by sending a blank email to shydrager-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 , Wish I would have had your advice when I bought my new vehicle. the 0% financing helped, but the dealership was very unmoving about dealing with anything else. By the time I got through, I was so ticked off (polite way of saying it) I was ready to tear up the papers and go to another dealership. However, hind site is 20/20 Dr. Ray -- Re: scooters>Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:13:55 EDT>>Thanks Judy>>You advice is helpful and inspiring. We went to Walmart (Thanks DR Ray)>yesterday to try out the scooters there. Of course we ran into someone we>knew and Mark was fine. I'm glad it happened it broke the ice. So a van >is>better than a SUV?>Gert_________________________________________________________________Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.comIf you do not wish to belong to shydrager, you may unsubscribe by sending a blank email to shydrager-unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 Yes, I do understand and I am personally sorry for your bad experience. It happens in all professions. Not just the automobile business. Quite honestly Ray, When I was in the business, I watched as closely as I could and if I found some one whether it be a mgr or just a salesman or service person, if they jerked some one around, I would fire them on the spot and in most cases, I was able to do it in front of the customer so they they the customer would know that there was no white wash in any of my companies, plus the added factor was, it got all around the dealerships, that is, what would happen if you did that to some one. If there is any one on this list that would or needs help about purchasing a New Vehicle, please don't hesitate to contact me. I am more than willing to assist you. You all have enough on your plate and you do not need this as another problem. One other thing I might mention here, if you can avoid it, DO NOT BUY A USED VEHICLE. By the time you pay the finance charges and purchase an extended warranty, you could buy a new car with a BRAND NEW WARRANTY and sleep a lot better at night.. I have over my years seen so many people buy a used car and I would just shake my head when I saw the deal, because for the same money and payments, believe me, they could have purchased a Brand New one. But some one has to purchase them or they wouldn't be there for sale.. Best regards, " tenacity's man " > >Reply-To: shydrager >To: shydrager > >Subject: Re: buying a vehicle >Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 08:48:41 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) > >, >Wish I would have had your advice when I bought my new vehicle. the 0% >financing helped, but the dealership was very unmoving about dealing with >anything else. > >By the time I got through, I was so ticked off (polite way of saying it) I >was ready to tear up the papers and go to another dealership. However, >hind >site is 20/20 > >Dr. Ray > >-- Re: scooters > >Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:13:55 EDT > > > >Thanks Judy > > > >You advice is helpful and inspiring. We went to Walmart (Thanks DR Ray) > >yesterday to try out the scooters there. Of course we ran into someone we > >knew and Mark was fine. I'm glad it happened it broke the ice. So a van > >is > >better than a SUV? > >Gert > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > >If you do not wish to belong to shydrager, you may >unsubscribe by sending a blank email to > >shydrager-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2002 Report Share Posted October 1, 2002 Just wanted to add that both salesman we saw today, one at Chrysler and one at ford were so helpful and thoughful. Not the typical car salesman people joke about. They both knew we needed to investigate conversions before buying and welcomed that we would. Gert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 Maybe you could answer a question for me . Mark drives an Audi that he leases. He still has 8 months on his 39 month lease. He barely drives. Just to the gym or the bank. Is it possible to get out of his lease because of his handicap (since we need to get the lift for the scooter), so we can buy a minivan? This way when he stops driving all together which would probably be by spring, I could drive him around in the van. Gert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2002 Report Share Posted October 2, 2002 Gert, Yes and NO. What you might do is call your lender ( Leasor ) not the dealer, and get a buy out figure, than see one of your bigger dealers in town and ask for a purchase figure. That will be your reality check. I say this because of lease end value. Perhaps you didn't know it, but a lot of major leasing banks are getting out of the leasing end of financing automobiles because they have to speculate the end value way in advance. That has really hurt them in the past few years. ie. there value est. was say $12000,00 and the true market value now at this time is $9500.00 because of market conditions. If you have taken good care of the unit and the miles are with in the estimate that was org agreed upon, than you just give the vehicle back and they have to EAT the difference of the Actual Cash Value. But perhaps your vehicle's value has held up very strong, than perhaps your current pay off is with in the NOW current value. Of course, you must remember that the value of your vehicle is always subject to the " eyes of the beholder " What I am trying to say, there is a book value but that is not a locked in figure. It is up to the Person looking at your unit and how badly he needs it for inventory for his used car operation at that moment in time. Once you have the Pay off, you also could go and actually trade it in to a dealer that has something you want, but that is not necessarily a good idea. You always need to keep it simple if you can. That is if you want a really good deal. Sell your trade to one person or company and purchase your new vehicle from some one else. That keeps every thing very clean and you will always know exactly where you are in the process. One other thing, after you get all of the above information, and if it doesn't suit you. You might just take it to CARMAX. They purchase vehicles not only for there one location, but they also buy them for there other lots through out the U.S. and they normally pay about the most for a nice, low mileage car. The very last thing you can actually do is. Pay the actual difference in payments left on the remaining time left on your lease agreement. For instance, pay the eight months less any deposits and be done with it. That is your only other option of getting out of your current lease. With the exception of just continue on with the last 8 months worth of payments and drive it.. I hope this helps with your dilema. " tenacity's man " >From: GFKN3790@... >Reply-To: shydrager >To: shydrager >Subject: Re: buying a vehicle >Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 07:28:15 EDT > > >Maybe you could answer a question for me . Mark drives an Audi that he >leases. He still has 8 months on his 39 month lease. He barely drives. >Just to the gym or the bank. Is it possible to get out of his lease >because >of his handicap (since we need to get the lift for the scooter), so we can >buy a minivan? This way when he stops driving all together which would >probably be by spring, I could drive him around in the van. >Gert _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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