Re: Re: Anyone not tolorate the SCD Yogurt?

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Hi Marilyn,

Thank you for your sharing your expertise.

I will wait a week or two and retry the yogurt with goats milk and drip it. Is dripping the yogurt as simple as pouring it through the bag that came with the yogurt maker and dispose of what does not pass through the bag?

Thanks Again for responding.

K.

What is Whey? Do you know if it applies to goats milk yogurt?What most people call yogurt "whey" -- and in fact, I called it that myself -- is not, according to Elaine, actually "whey." It is "water of hydrolysis," which results as the good bacterial culture breaks the lactose down into glucose and galactose.The galactose is the portion that, in many cases, is the culprit in having issues with the SCD yogurt. BY dripping the yogurt, we remove most of the galactose, and make it easier to digest.

— Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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Hi Marilyn, Thank you for your sharing your expertise. I will wait a week or two and retry the yogurt with goats milk and drip it. Is dripping the yogurt as simple as pouring it through the bag that came with the yogurt maker and dispose of what does not pass through the bag?It's the opposite. <g> Dispose of what does pass through - which is excess liquid. The rest is thick creamy yoguort. aMara

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At 12:11 PM 10/26/2009, you wrote:

Is dripping the yogurt as simple

as pouring it through the bag that came with the yogurt maker and dispose

of what does not pass through the bag?

I've re-posted my method of dripping yogurt. The bag works, but I hated

scooping yogurt into the bag, turning the bag inside out, scooping the

yogurt cheese out.... too much work!

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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Hi Val,

Thanks for your really great answers and including the links. I am finding alot of good encouragement from joining this forum. Yesterday was my worst day since starting SCD and even some time before. 3 times I had "waterfall D". Today it has eased up and my stool is starting to form again. I still get some cramping, but only slight compared to yesterday. Hope that was not too much information but I think on this forum there is no need to apologize! I tried the grape juice with seltzer before and I did not like it. I did not feel like a prince! It is listed somewhere in one of the recepies as "SCD Soda!" lol.

For my intro diet and fall back diet when things go a bit rough I eat poached eggs, beef patties and chicken. Also a few red seedless grapes. I have not yet made the chicken soup but will do soon. What do you do with all the chicken pieces that do not pass through the colander? Maybe skipping the chicken soup is the reason I have run into problems. And before SCD I did love "illegal" chicken soup!

I have just restarted Apriso (mesalamine) that I had weened off with Dr's approval. I had also been on Asacol before and it had no effect. I think it works better for UC than Crohns. But they list a possible side effect as diarrhea. Go figure it can give you the very thing you want to stop. Needless I am not a big fan of prescription medicine. Right before I found SCD my Dr's were recommending Remicade or Humira. I was reluctant to try either. Predisone always worked to stop D, but I needed to stay on it and at least 25mg a day. I have spent a lot of time on Prednisone over the years but now I turned 50 and am getting older I want to stay away from Prednisone.

Good advice to see a Dr conversant with SCD. Neither my Primary or GI had heard of SCD. I see there is a SCD Dr in Manhattan who I could get to if things do not improve. I am though optimistic that SCD will get rid of all symptoms but it will take a minimum of 2 years to get the most from this diet.

I am going to try the yogurt again with Goats Milk and dripped. The SCD yogurt is so delicious, especially with a llittle fruit and honey.

Hope you Feel Better.

K.

Subject: Re: Anyone not tolorate the SCD Yogurt?To: BTVC-SCD Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 4:07 PM

Hi ,I have 4 months in and somewhere about the 3 month marker the same thing happened to me with the yogurt. Eventually, it became eggs and pretty much everything I put into my mouth except the intro diet. I went back to the intro. I gave up the yogurt and felt immediate relief but there was an immense difference once the chicken soup was added in. The chicken soup began healing the discomfort within a day. I kept it up with meat patties and eventually added in some level 1 foods found at http://www.pecanbre ad.com/new/ recipes.html I have to tell you welches grape juice and seltzer water in a winde glass made me feel like I was having something fancy. I guess everyone needs to be a princess!!It has only been a week and I have been able to add tomatoes, soup, cellary into my soup while I make it. I have been able to eat Peanut

Butter. I don't have well formed stools yet, but it is not a painful water fountain anymore. It may be different for me because I have UC. I strongly suggest the chicken soup as per the intro instructions. The bone marrow in the chicken is a natural anti-inflammatory and may help allieviate the symptoms. I have not re-introduced the yogurt but will try again either after I have better well formed stools or my doc off the support list on http://www.breaking theviciouscycle. info/support/ support.htmhas given me the go ahead. If you have the opportunity to see one of these SCD experienced Docs I strongly suggest you do. I believe I lucked out with mine. I will cross the can't tolerate yougurt bridge if the re-introduction doesn't work out. I can tell you I am hesistant and almost scared to try again, but know that in the begining

the yogurt was a God Send.As I take it slow I will think of you. I have your symptoms for about 7 weeks and have had to increase my meds from 1 pill twice a day to 5 pills twice a day. Sometimes we have to step back to go forward. I am sorry it took me so long to surrender and go backward. Take Care,ValUC 3 yearsAsacol 4000 MG dailySCD 4 months +Mother & Wife>> I have been on SCD since 8/6/09. For the first month I was making very good progress and my CD was almost symptom free. After the first month my yogurt maker arrived and I started making SCD yogurt exactly as instructed. For the past two months my digestion has not been as good with pain, gas and

cramps after eating. I still have very occasional D, maybe once a week at most. I have started taking S boulardi. I know it may be the 2-3 month flare but it is going on a long time. I read that CD is a two year "cure time". I follow the diet with the required "fanatical adherance". I have BTVC and am sorry that the author has now passed away. I would have loved to Thank her. After 30 plus years of CD I discover that there is a diet that makes a big differene after all. > > As of today I am going to stop taking the yogurt and see if I improve again.> > I have had CD since 1977 but have had some periods of remission. However since July 2008 my CD came back and I lost 30lbs bringing my weight to 150lbs. (I am a 6ft man.) Right now I am not too concerned about gaining the weight back, I think this will come with healing.> > I am thinking my progress is being impaired by the SCD yogurt, that I somehow do not

tolorate it. I have noticed that the cheesecake does not seem to agree with me, even though it is listed on the Intro diet. Maybe I just need to be more patient with this diet. > > I hope I can take the SCD yogurt, if not now but in the future because it is such a big part of SCD.> > Any insight is greatly appreciated. Do somepeople do SCD without the yogurt? This is a great forum.> > Thanks to all.> > > > CD since 7/77> SCD snce 8/09>

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Marilyn,

Thanks for reposting. I probably will try the "Bag" first go around before I discover my handkerchief handling and sewing skills are totally as bad as I Imagine they are.

I read that Goats milk yogurt is a different dripping method? It was posted that the Upper Canada Lower Bowel Society has Goat Dripping directions on there site-but I did not see anything there.

Is dripping the yogurt as simple as pouring it through the bag that came with the yogurt maker and dispose of what does not pass through the bag? I've re-posted my method of dripping yogurt. The bag works, but I hated scooping yogurt into the bag, turning the bag inside out, scooping the yogurt cheese out.... too much work!

— Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 01:00 PM 10/26/2009, you wrote:

I read that Goats milk yogurt is

a different dripping method? It was posted that the Upper Canada Lower

Bowel Society has Goat Dripping directions on there site-but I did not

see anything there.

http://uclbs.org/recipes/dairy/suegoatcheese.php

I've never found cheese cloth fine enough for this. I drip the goat

yogurt same as cow yogurt until it won't drip, then place the

handkerchief on a folded bath towel, over it with another handkerchief

and bath towel, and then place a weight on top.

You stop when it's as thick as you want it to be.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Marilyn,

many Thanks. Do you think that SCD Goats Milk Yogurt is more beneficial than SCD Cows Milk Yogurt? Would it make sense for everyone to use Goats Milk?

I read that Goats milk yogurt is a different dripping method? It was posted that the Upper Canada Lower Bowel Society has Goat Dripping directions on there site-but I did not see anything there.http://uclbs. org/recipes/ dairy/suegoatche ese.phpI've never found cheese cloth fine enough for this. I drip the goat yogurt same as cow yogurt until it won't drip, then place the handkerchief on a folded bath towel, over it with another handkerchief and bath towel, and then place a weight on top.You stop when it's as thick as you want it to be.

— Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Do you think that SCD Goats Milk Yogurt is more beneficial than SCD Cows Milk Yogurt? Would it make sense for everyone to use Goats Milk?On pecanbread they recommend goat yogurt for ASD kids, and I think a lot of people have an easier time digesting goat's yogurt. But then cost and efficiency come into play...When I used to make goat yogurt, I made half a gallon of yogurt and ended up throwing away half that volume in galactose drippings. Needless to say it's rather watery =) So I think it all depends on your personal balance between what your body tolerates and what your time and budget allows. Peace =)Alyssa 15 yoUC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)No meds!

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At 02:11 PM 10/26/2009, you wrote:

many Thanks. Do you think that

SCD Goats Milk Yogurt is more beneficial than SCD Cows Milk Yogurt? Would

it make sense for everyone to use Goats Milk?

I've used both. I like both.

I think so much depends on individual tolerances that it would be

impossible to make a blanket statement like that, except, possibly, in

the case of ASD kids and/or others with known cow casein

intolerance.

One thing as a consideration is that goat milk is significantly more

expensive than even pastured cow milk. As a consequence, if cost is a

problem, and it is for many people, people might hesitate to try SCD if

you require the goat milk.

I usually use dripped cow milk yogurt for salad dressings, frozen yogurt,

and other things.

Goat milk yogurt I find even more tart than cow milk yogurt, and

considering how tart SCD cow milk yogurt is, that's saying something. But

weirdly, I can consume goat yogurt without any sweeteners. I usually use

goat milk yogurt in lieu of buttermilk. It gives me a different taste.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Thanks Alyssa- A good logical answer. I know that one of the original concepts of the founders of this diet be that it be as affordable and available as possible to everyone. I think the main reason the medical community is not aware and does not get behind SCD is because there is ..well no money to be made from SCD. SCD is not linked to lots of expensive pills like Jordan Rubin's Garden of Life Makers Diet. And CCA is just a big Commercial for Pharmaceutical Companies. Sorry if I got off topic and offended anyone!

I have never bought Goat Milk before. I will try Trader Joes, Whole Foods and Mrs Greens. If they do not have it I am sure it can be bought "online". But sounds like all things being equal-Dripped Goats Milk Yogurt is the way to go.

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Subject: Re: Re: Anyone not tolorate the SCD Yogurt?To: BTVC-SCD Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 3:20 PM

Do you think that SCD Goats Milk Yogurt is more beneficial than SCD Cows Milk Yogurt? Would it make sense for everyone to use Goats Milk?

On pecanbread they recommend goat yogurt for ASD kids, and I think a lot of people have an easier time digesting goat's yogurt. But then cost and efficiency come into play...When I used to make goat yogurt, I made half a gallon of yogurt and ended up throwing away half that volume in galactose drippings. Needless to say it's rather watery =) So I think it all depends on your personal balance between what your body tolerates and what your time and budget allows.

Peace =)

Alyssa 15 yo

UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

SCD June 2009 (restarted)

No meds!

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Re: Dripping yoghurt. I use goat's milk, which is extremely watery. I have found using a Melitta coffee filter works very well (placing a cone-shaped filter paper into the plastic cone, and setting that over the glass coffee pot!). I let it drip overnight in the fridge, and the yoghurt comes out very thick and creamy. Removal is easy .. simply lay the filter paper on the counter and pull the paper apart at the seam. The yoghurts remains in a firm ball and can be rolled into a clean receptacle for storing.Vivien

Is dripping the yogurt as simple

as pouring it through the bag that came with the yogurt maker and dispose

of what does not pass through the bag?

I've re-posted my method of dripping yogurt. The bag works, but I hated

scooping yogurt into the bag, turning the bag inside out, scooping the

yogurt cheese out.... too much work!

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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