Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Folks, I did NOT mention ANYTHING about Francisco being gay in my e-mail to him. I do not care about that one iota. You can ban me or whatever you feel you need to do. I went to him in a private e-mail and said my piece there. What you are being told is NOT the truth and I am sorry that Francisco was offended. I am sorry that any of you are offended. I am offended about being called a d**k head, hideous, an idiot and all the other things that have been said about me. I will be happy to post my original e-mail to him and the subsequent responses. In no way did I say or insinuate anything regarding Francisco's being gay. But, my e-mail was private as responses that are not agreed with should be. I went to the person, in private, and now, I am being torn apart in public. This is very unfair. In my opinion, there are MANY off-topic subjects here and in other WLS support sites, they would be handled by the moderator. My apologies again. Rory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Rory...I assumed that what you wrote (not knowing it was you) was homophobic, since it upset Francisco so much...and it seemed to revolve around him feeling uncomfortable about being honest about being gay. There are many things that are said that could be viewed as 'OFF TOPIC', goodness knows I have added my share of those kind of posts. But, we're all here to share about who we are, the struggles we face, the triumphs we enjoy, all of it. ly, I get bored with the great shake debate. I would rather hear about the twists and turns that come into our life as a result of this life changing surgery. i apologize for the harsh words that I personally said....they weren't nice nor were they fair, because you are right...I only heard one side. But, i do think that quashing any of the speech that goes on, unless it's directly written to hurt someone else, is just not the solution. And I appreciate that you didn't publicly humiliate him in the forum...but by the same token, I can see how a personally directed e-mail could feel like condemnation. I say, unless someone is being cruel to others on the sight...let them speak, and openly. You never know whether there is someone out there who is struggling with the same kind of problems; the fear of love and intimacy, the new awareness of themselves as an attractive person. There is something to be learned from all human experience, non? I am sorry that Francisco was hurt, and I don't know what you said. I'm sorry I jumped down your throat. But, I do know that this needs to be a safe haven for all of us...and if you are bored or annoyed by some of what is being said...just delete. I do it, i'll be honest. And what you find helpful may be exactly what I find annoying or unhelpful. That's the beauty of diversity of views, right? I'm off to walk with Azin, so I must rush off. Robynn"Rory G." wrote: Folks,I did NOT mention ANYTHING about Francisco being gay in my e-mail to him. I do not care about that one iota.You can ban me or whatever you feel you need to do. I went to him in a private e-mail and said my piece there.What you are being told is NOT the truth and I am sorry that Francisco was offended. I am sorry that any of you are offended.I am offended about being called a d**k head, hideous, an idiot and all the other things that have been said about me.I will be happy to post my original e-mail to him and the subsequent responses. In no way did I say or insinuate anything regarding Francisco's being gay. But, my e-mail was private as responses that are not agreed with should be. I went to the person, in private, and now, I am being torn apart in public. This is very unfair.In my opinion, there are MANY off-topic subjects here and in other WLS support sites, they would be handled by the moderator.My apologies again.Rory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 I am sorry, Rory, that this has gotten so out-of-hand. I had a feeling that this was the case, and is why I was upset and saddened when so many people said such horrible things about the person who wrote the e-mail to Francisco. If people could just stop and think before they react. If they could just say to themselves, " Hey, I would like all the facts before I call this person horrible names and tell him how much I want him gone " . I would be willing to bet that your e-mail to Francisco was not even a fraction of how mean spirited the e-mails that you have been faced with. Pam b --- " Rory G. " rorman212@...> wrote: > Folks, > I did NOT mention ANYTHING about Francisco being gay > in my e-mail to > him. I do not care about that one iota. > You can ban me or whatever you feel you need to do. > I went to him in > a private e-mail and said my piece there. > What you are being told is NOT the truth and I am > sorry that Francisco > was offended. I am sorry that any of you are > offended. > I am offended about being called a d**k head, > hideous, an idiot and > all the other things that have been said about me. > I will be happy to post my original e-mail to him > and the subsequent > responses. In no way did I say or insinuate > anything regarding > Francisco's being gay. But, my e-mail was private > as responses that > are not agreed with should be. > I went to the person, in private, and now, I am > being torn apart in > public. This is very unfair. > In my opinion, there are MANY off-topic subjects > here and in other WLS > support sites, they would be handled by the > moderator. > My apologies again. > > Rory > > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Beautifully said, Robynn! You always have the knack of putting into words, (and eloquently so, I might add)just what it is that I am feeling... Pam b --- Robynn VanPatten robynnsf@...> wrote: > Rory...I assumed that what you wrote (not knowing it > was you) was homophobic, since it upset Francisco so > much...and it seemed to revolve around him feeling > uncomfortable about being honest about being gay. > > There are many things that are said that could be > viewed as 'OFF TOPIC', goodness knows I have added > my share of those kind of posts. But, we're all > here to share about who we are, the struggles we > face, the triumphs we enjoy, all of it. ly, I > get bored with the great shake debate. I would > rather hear about the twists and turns that come > into our life as a result of this life changing > surgery. > > i apologize for the harsh words that I personally > said....they weren't nice nor were they fair, > because you are right...I only heard one side. > > But, i do think that quashing any of the speech that > goes on, unless it's directly written to hurt > someone else, is just not the solution. And I > appreciate that you didn't publicly humiliate him in > the forum...but by the same token, I can see how a > personally directed e-mail could feel like > condemnation. > > I say, unless someone is being cruel to others on > the sight...let them speak, and openly. You never > know whether there is someone out there who is > struggling with the same kind of problems; the fear > of love and intimacy, the new awareness of > themselves as an attractive person. > > There is something to be learned from all human > experience, non? > > I am sorry that Francisco was hurt, and I don't know > what you said. I'm sorry I jumped down your throat. > But, I do know that this needs to be a safe haven > for all of us...and if you are bored or annoyed by > some of what is being said...just delete. I do it, > i'll be honest. And what you find helpful may be > exactly what I find annoying or unhelpful. That's > the beauty of diversity of views, right? > > I'm off to walk with Azin, so I must rush off. > Robynn > " Rory G. " rorman212@...> wrote: > Folks, > I did NOT mention ANYTHING about Francisco being gay > in my e-mail to > him. I do not care about that one iota. > You can ban me or whatever you feel you need to do. > I went to him in > a private e-mail and said my piece there. > What you are being told is NOT the truth and I am > sorry that Francisco > was offended. I am sorry that any of you are > offended. > I am offended about being called a d**k head, > hideous, an idiot and > all the other things that have been said about me. > I will be happy to post my original e-mail to him > and the subsequent > responses. In no way did I say or insinuate > anything regarding > Francisco's being gay. But, my e-mail was private > as responses that > are not agreed with should be. > I went to the person, in private, and now, I am > being torn apart in > public. This is very unfair. > In my opinion, there are MANY off-topic subjects > here and in other WLS > support sites, they would be handled by the > moderator. > My apologies again. > > Rory > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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