Why is bifido bacteria not allowed?

[Guest guest]

Hello - I have dysbiosis causing some IBS, but mostly nervous/mental symptoms.

I have been on the SCD diet for 4 weeks, and began taking VSL3 probiotic two

weeks ago. It contains Bifido bacteria and the 'book' says you shouldn't take

this, but why? I had a stools test a few years ago and it reported that I had

NO growth of bifido bacteria at all - so surely it makes sense for me take this?

Now that Elaine Gottshall has passed away, has anybody taken on her mantle - is

there another expert?

Thanks for any help

[Guest guest]

Hi ..

This is an interesting question one I have been asking this myself from the get

go.. The more I have read the more q's I have.

From the SCD perspective Bifidus is illegal as it tends to overgrow in diseased

guts.

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/beginners_guide/yoghurt/yog_starters.htm

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/bifidus.htm

I have had many stool tests done. I have no detectable amount of bifidum in my

system too and yet I am healing really well. Granted I have a myriad of health

issues so it's a bit slower for me but it's going well.

I like to keep in mind that many many people have healed on this wonderful diet

following what Elaine delineated for us.. Yeah, there are many questions.. but

the proof is in the SCD legal pudding so to speak..

Jodi

>

> Hello - I have dysbiosis causing some IBS, but mostly nervous/mental symptoms.

I have been on the SCD diet for 4 weeks, and began taking VSL3 probiotic two

weeks ago. It contains Bifido bacteria and the 'book' says you shouldn't take

this, but why? I had a stools test a few years ago and it reported that I had

NO growth of bifido bacteria at all - so surely it makes sense for me take this?

Now that Elaine Gottshall has passed away, has anybody taken on her mantle - is

there another expert?

>

> Thanks for any help

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

yes, I would like to know if someone is continuing Elaine's good work?

, I remember trying the VSL3 a couple of years ago - I'm in Australia and

its very expensive here and as I recall it had 8 or so different good bacteria's

- it just gave me trouble. My doctor didn't put me on it but when I told her

about it, she said it could be any of the bacteria in there that I just don't

tolerate - so after 14 years of Crohns I've learned to stay off all probiotics

until they can be sure what is best - otherwise one just feels like a guineapig.

Just a thought for you.

Bibi

>

> Hello - I have dysbiosis causing some IBS, but mostly nervous/mental symptoms.

I have been on the SCD diet for 4 weeks, and began taking VSL3 probiotic two

weeks ago. It contains Bifido bacteria and the 'book' says you shouldn't take

this, but why? I had a stools test a few years ago and it reported that I had

NO growth of bifido bacteria at all - so surely it makes sense for me take this?

Now that Elaine Gottshall has passed away, has anybody taken on her mantle - is

there another expert?

>

> Thanks for any help

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 08:07 PM 11/15/2009, you wrote:

It contains Bifido bacteria and

the 'book' says you shouldn't take this, but why? I had a stools test a

few years ago and it reported that I had NO growth of bifido bacteria at

all - so surely it makes sense for me take this? Now that Elaine

Gottshall has passed away, has anybody taken on her mantle - is there

another expert?

There are other people who are doing work based on SCD, but all of them

have their own takes on it.

Elaine's reasoning for using a single probiotic -- acidophilus -- was

because it had been well-studied and did not generally cause issues.

(Some very sensitive people find they can only tolerate probiotics in

fermented foods, and even then, they must start slowly.) She later added

the s. boulardii, a friendly yeast.

I know that people feel that there are all kinds of different strains

which we must have (because they are the newest, niftiest thing on the

market, and expensive to boot!) but I sometimes wonder.

I am a student of the history of medicine. In the days before the

discovery of antisepsis, it was known that an injury would stop bleeding,

scab over, and then develop oozing pus. This would get worse before it

got better... if it got better. In fact, pus in an injury -- even just a

minor cut -- was so common, the pus (read: infection) was called

" healing pus, " and if a wound actually began to heal on its

own, the doctors recommended taking pus from someone else's wound and

putting it on the clean wound to help healing!

Elaine said that bifidus tended to overgrow. I have to wonder, sometimes,

if the abundance of bifidus in so-called " normal " guts might

not be an example of " healing pus. " I have no scientific data

to back this up, but I wonder, considering just how sick I've been the

couple of times I have ingested bifidus by accident.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Thank you all for your replies - I am in a state of some confusion. I'm not

sure if I should be eating dairy or not, taking probiotics or not, or which ones

etc etc.....so many questions. I have been on the VSL3 for 2 weeks and I think

it makes me feel generally worse, but then that's supposed to be a good thing

isn't it - the gut rejigging itself? Do we know if Elaine allowed the

Saccharmydes Boulardi (I havne't a clue how to spell it!!)

> >It contains Bifido bacteria and the 'book' says

> >you shouldn't take this, but why? I had a stools

> >test a few years ago and it reported that I had

> >NO growth of bifido bacteria at all - so surely

> >it makes sense for me take this? Now that Elaine

> >Gottshall has passed away, has anybody taken on

> >her mantle - is there another expert?

>

> There are other people who are doing work based

> on SCD, but all of them have their own takes on it.

>

> Elaine's reasoning for using a single probiotic

> -- acidophilus -- was because it had been

> well-studied and did not generally cause issues.

> (Some very sensitive people find they can only

> tolerate probiotics in fermented foods, and even

> then, they must start slowly.) She later added

> the s. boulardii, a friendly yeast.

>

> I know that people feel that there are all kinds

> of different strains which we must have (because

> they are the newest, niftiest thing on the

> market, and expensive to boot!) but I sometimes wonder.

>

> I am a student of the history of medicine. In the

> days before the discovery of antisepsis, it was

> known that an injury would stop bleeding, scab

> over, and then develop oozing pus. This would get

> worse before it got better... if it got better.

> In fact, pus in an injury -- even just a minor

> cut -- was so common, the pus (read: infection)

> was called " healing pus, " and if a wound actually

> began to heal on its own, the doctors recommended

> taking pus from someone else's wound and putting

> it on the clean wound to help healing!

>

> Elaine said that bifidus tended to overgrow. I

> have to wonder, sometimes, if the abundance of

> bifidus in so-called " normal " guts might not be

> an example of " healing pus. " I have no scientific

> data to back this up, but I wonder, considering

> just how sick I've been the couple of times I

> have ingested bifidus by accident.

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

[Guest guest]

VSL is not legal on SCD. I'd say, initially, until you straighten

yourself out

a bit, better to just start with acidophilus for the moment.

You should definitely be taking probiotics - whether through yogurt

(unless you

know you have a problem with dairy), some kind of sauerkraut juice or

sauerkraut

or acidophilus capsules.

> Thank you all for your replies - I am in a state of some confusion.

> I'm not sure if I should be eating dairy or not, taking probiotics

> or not, or which ones etc etc.....so many questions. I have been on

> the VSL3 for 2 weeks and I think it makes me feel generally worse,

> but then that's supposed to be a good thing isn't it - the gut

> rejigging itself?

maybe, maybe not.

> Do we know if Elaine allowed the Saccharmydes Boulardi (I havne't a

> clue how to spell it!!)

yes.

Mara

[Guest guest]

At 02:21 PM 11/16/2009, you wrote:

Do we know if Elaine allowed the

Saccharmydes Boulardi (I havne't a clue how to spell

it!!)

Saccharomyces boulardii.And yes, she allowed it.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund