Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 How do you introduce it to the to the lower bowel?... suppository? Agape, momfreespirit wrote: the problem with bifidus is its a lower bowel bacteria , but when you have a yogurt with it in you are implanting it where its not designed to go, that is the stomach and upper intestine " why dot an i when you can spill a can of paint? because only dotting the i works and spilling a can of paint covers up what you are trying to see. most people think think problem solving is spilling a can of paint " from 'quotes you never saw' by a pearl-among-swine For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 It has been discovered that this very much needed probiotic Bifidus when taken out of check...and becomes overly abundant that it causes a BIG problem. It is like a good guy becoming bad...because there are too many of them. Look at it this way...you are fighing a war...to many submarines...will not win the war. You need all sorts of different soliders, tanks, airplans....and all. It has been proven by Dr. Haas and Elaine and many GI specialists (some DAN! doctors may not know this), that Bifidus turns into a OVERGROWTH conditions. Taking more could make the vicious cycle not be able to STOP. SCDiet alone can help mother nature put this entire picture with BIFIDUS and all the Good guys gone bad....back into check. You see in the right numbers even Yeast is not bad. This is why anti-fungals some times slow progress in those of us trying to do it through diet....these anti-fungals can cause the overgrowth of other " bad guys " ...and the vicious cycle continues. If you have damaged gut and ASD problems....more than likely if you have a vicious cycle....you are one of us with too much BIFIDUS and Yeast and clostidia just to name a few. Take the probiotics that are allowed...and eat SCD for a year and heal...it has worked for 50 years...on thousands of people...who left Bifiuds out. No anti- fungals no enzymes no nothing needed but SCD foods. On SCDiet the Bifidus numbers and all the rest of these gut guys will go back down to normal. ANd then Bifidus can do their BENIFITUAL job again of helping to produce B12 and all those wonderfu vitimins. Too many...they stop doing their job for some reason. Right numbers they work again. Hope this helps to explain things. Antoinette > > I dont understand what you are saying about bifidus? > Please explain more clearly. When the DAN doctors all say to take Bifidus, you are saying do not. > > I found Enzymedica (digest) but it has Bifidus in it as well as enzymes. I am wondering if this bifidus could have made me ill as I was very ill having the stomach flu and now think that it was caused by the bifidus? > > I need a more of a clear visual to understand this. > Thank you > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 I choose to trust what has worked in the past SCDiet alone has put the BIfidus back into check and where it belongs. It can take 1 to 2 years (a few took 3 years because of SCD breaks in the diet and accidents that brok the diet/such as treatment plans that slow its progress/chelation/anti-fungals and enzymes...or forbidden foods). Regardless, history has testified that just simple " fanatical adherance " to the SCDiet to do this balancing act. Almost sound too easy! I have been told " KEEP IT SIMPLE " by those that healed the SCD way. I now am seeing why. So many doctors, DAN! and all want to complicate this entire picture...with ideas that may not work as well....or even cause SCD not to work. Dr. Haas, and Elaine...and now Dr. Natasha all say that mother nature alone can do this balancing act if we give her a chance through JUST this miraculous diet. THat even tests for gut bugs only test poop and are not accurate....the problem is with this vicious cycle is much higher. No tests to date to even check what is happening, accurately. In the GAPS book she says that antifungals and such can cause the overgrowth of other bad guys....they are not good to use. This holds true for enzymes that kill yeast too...and God knows what else..again putting things out of balance....enzmes and treatments I have discovered through research don't work too well...continue to cause imbalance in the gut. Many kids with chelation also get the gut flora out of wack (because it not only chelates the bad metals..it takes the good metals too that the body needs..causing horrible imbalance...that then is proven to start up the vicious cycle again...overgrowth of bad guys...and even causes the good guys to become bad (like bifidus)...... SCDiet alone is proven to detox, help the body to naturaly chelate on it's own...plus it puts the gut flora back into check. Takes time though...and most of us want a quick fix. According to Dr. Natasha CAmpbell from " Gut and Psychology Syndrome " (who promotes SCDiet) Mother nature gets sick fast....but often she heals slow. We are trying to be pateint. We too want a quick fix. But think after wasting so much precious time last year that we are going to trust in this process....2.5 months and seeing wonderful results, thus far.... Sincerely and to all, Antoinette > > > the problem with bifidus is its a lower bowel bacteria , but when you > have a yogurt with it in you are implanting it where its not designed > to go, that is the stomach and upper intestine > > " why dot an i when you can spill a can of paint? because only dotting > the i works and spilling a can of paint covers up what you are trying > to see. most people think think problem solving is spilling a can of > paint " > > from 'quotes you never saw' by a pearl-among-swine > > > > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 I would talk it over with your DAN! doc...my son's stool analysis showed no bifidus....he had major problems with abdominal distention (5 years old and abdominal girth would vary by as much as 3 inches from day to day) we had to go super slow when we added it in because it caused aggression at first (which may I add SCD did also for the first 2 weeks), ANYWAY, his behavior got better BEFORE SCD. He was a carbaholic so we decided SCD was the way to go and I'm glad we did because he has made many more big improvements. I would just be leery of the ONE SIZE FITS ALL approach because I think that's what got my son in trouble to begin with (meaning immunizations). Just talk it over with your doc and do what you think is right...you know YOUR child better than anyone. My son is SCD AND taking Bifidus, a multiple strain acidophilus, mB12 injections, LDN, and a few others. I think the gut damage and mechanism of damage varies so much in the ASD children that an INDIVIDUALIZED approach is neccesary. I'm an RN and since my son was dx 3 1/2 years ago I have read and reread, analyzed and reanalyzed everything I could get my hands on that talked about biomedical tx. YES SCD has helped dramatically in the 8 weeks we have been on it but I'm not ready to throw in the towel on the other tx that seem to be helping...besides, in his case he's almost exclusively eating protein...I have to sneak veggies into things like meatloaf anf hamburgers so if not for his multivitamins he would NOT be getting all the nutrients he needs. Kirkman's will send you a catalog of their products....it tells if each item is SCD legal or not. Hope this helps....Deanna Jody H wrote: I dont understand what you are saying about bifidus? Please explain more clearly. When the DAN doctors all say to take Bifidus, you are saying do not. I found Enzymedica (digest) but it has Bifidus in it as well as enzymes. I am wondering if this bifidus could have made me ill as I was very ill having the stomach flu and now think that it was caused by the bifidus? I need a more of a clear visual to understand this. Thank you --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 Iam doing much better now off bifidus. it set me back a few days and am struggling with stomach problems. I will et better. Just takes time and less eating or smaller meals. It is true that the medical profession wants us to keep sick so they can make us sicker. kikijabunce wrote: I choose to trust what has worked in the past SCDiet alone has put the BIfidus back into check and where it belongs. It can take 1 to 2 years (a few took 3 years because of SCD breaks in the diet and accidents that brok the diet/such as treatment plans that slow its progress/chelation/anti-fungals and enzymes...or forbidden foods). Regardless, history has testified that just simple " fanatical adherance " to the SCDiet to do this balancing act. Almost sound too easy! I have been told " KEEP IT SIMPLE " by those that healed the SCD way. I now am seeing why. So many doctors, DAN! and all want to complicate this entire picture...with ideas that may not work as well....or even cause SCD not to work. Dr. Haas, and Elaine...and now Dr. Natasha all say that mother nature alone can do this balancing act if we give her a chance through JUST this miraculous diet. THat even tests for gut bugs only test poop and are not accurate....the problem is with this vicious cycle is much higher. No tests to date to even check what is happening, accurately. In the GAPS book she says that antifungals and such can cause the overgrowth of other bad guys....they are not good to use. This holds true for enzymes that kill yeast too...and God knows what else..again putting things out of balance....enzmes and treatments I have discovered through research don't work too well...continue to cause imbalance in the gut. Many kids with chelation also get the gut flora out of wack (because it not only chelates the bad metals..it takes the good metals too that the body needs..causing horrible imbalance...that then is proven to start up the vicious cycle again...overgrowth of bad guys...and even causes the good guys to become bad (like bifidus)...... SCDiet alone is proven to detox, help the body to naturaly chelate on it's own...plus it puts the gut flora back into check. Takes time though...and most of us want a quick fix. According to Dr. Natasha CAmpbell from " Gut and Psychology Syndrome " (who promotes SCDiet) Mother nature gets sick fast....but often she heals slow. We are trying to be pateint. We too want a quick fix. But think after wasting so much precious time last year that we are going to trust in this process....2.5 months and seeing wonderful results, thus far.... Sincerely and to all, Antoinette > > > the problem with bifidus is its a lower bowel bacteria , but when you > have a yogurt with it in you are implanting it where its not designed > to go, that is the stomach and upper intestine > > " why dot an i when you can spill a can of paint? because only dotting > the i works and spilling a can of paint covers up what you are trying > to see. most people think think problem solving is spilling a can of > paint " > > from 'quotes you never saw' by a pearl-among-swine > > > > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 Spilling the can of paint in discussion is sometimes beneficial. So, what factors induce the bifidus in breastmilk to colonize lower? momfreespirit wrote: the problem with bifidus is its a lower bowel bacteria , but when you have a yogurt with it in you are implanting it where its not designed to go, that is the stomach and upper intestine " why dot an i when you can spill a can of paint? because only dotting the i works and spilling a can of paint covers up what you are trying to see. most people think think problem solving is spilling a can of paint " from 'quotes you never saw' by a pearl-among-swine For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 Last post: " It is true that the medical profession wants us to keep sick so they can make us sicker. " It truly makes one wonder doesn't it. Dr. Haas knew of this cure 50 years ago....and then the GF diet took over....this has truly kept many sick. I guess they have a mortgage too....I don't know if the is consious on their part...orthodox medicine is so behind...repeating history. If they healed us all with diet...they would have to go get a second job....growing SCD safe foods intstead, to sell and make profit off of. lol!! Dr. Haas goes to say in his book that most of his kids became healthier than thier peers who continued to eat the SAD diet (standard american diet)...I believe it. Antoinette > > > > > > the problem with bifidus is its a lower bowel bacteria , but when > you > > have a yogurt with it in you are implanting it where its not > designed > > to go, that is the stomach and upper intestine > > > > " why dot an i when you can spill a can of paint? because only > dotting > > the i works and spilling a can of paint covers up what you are > trying > > to see. most people think think problem solving is spilling a can > of > > paint " > > > > from 'quotes you never saw' by a pearl-among-swine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the > book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the > following websites: > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > > and > > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 I have worked in the medical profession for over 13 years and have devoted myself to caring for others and now for my son....the things I have learned are to listen to the parent's of children, they know the child better than anyone and have a vested interest in the child's recovery. Secondly, you can not say " never " or " always " because if you do you will eventually be wrong. Lastly, no one, but no one has all the answers and stay away from anyone who tells you they do. This is my last post....this group is not what I thought it would be and it irks me that someone who has never even met my little boy and who barely knows anything about him or his individual, unique biochemistry would imply my treatments are wrong....save yourself a reply because I'm signing off as soon as I post this. Enough is enough already!! Deanna kikijabunce wrote: Last post: " It is true that the medical profession wants us to keep sick so they can make us sicker. " It truly makes one wonder doesn't it. Dr. Haas knew of this cure 50 years ago....and then the GF diet took over....this has truly kept many sick. I guess they have a mortgage too....I don't know if the is consious on their part...orthodox medicine is so behind...repeating history. If they healed us all with diet...they would have to go get a second job....growing SCD safe foods intstead, to sell and make profit off of. lol!! Dr. Haas goes to say in his book that most of his kids became healthier than thier peers who continued to eat the SAD diet (standard american diet)...I believe it. Antoinette > > > > > > the problem with bifidus is its a lower bowel bacteria , but when > you > > have a yogurt with it in you are implanting it where its not > designed > > to go, that is the stomach and upper intestine > > > > " why dot an i when you can spill a can of paint? because only > dotting > > the i works and spilling a can of paint covers up what you are > trying > > to see. most people think think problem solving is spilling a can > of > > paint " > > > > from 'quotes you never saw' by a pearl-among-swine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the > book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the > following websites: > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > > and > > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 Dr. Natasha -McBride's own probiotic (which she developed for her patients), Bio-Kult, contains 4 different Bifidobacteria. Dr. Natasha has also used and recommended Primal Defense (SCD illegal), which also includes 4 different Bifidobacteria. Bio-Kult also contains maltodextrin (SCD illegal and possible excitotoxin), by the way. Last fall I decided I wanted to switch to a maltodextrin-free probiotic so dropped Bio-Kult while continuing Lactobacillus plantarum (GG) and Saccharomyces Boulardii. Then I couldn't find a suitable substitute probiotic. My daughter's digestion deteriorated rapidly. And improved again, though not " back to normal " , when I restarted Bio-Kult. If I remember correctly, bifidus bacteria produce vitamin K, and that's needed for bile production and fat digestion -- someone on another list thought the lack of bifidus and so vitamin K deficiency might have been why my daughter's digestion deteriorated without Bio-Kult. However, adding vitamin K1 to her supps hasn't been a magical fix for getting her digestion back to where it was before I dropped Bio-Kult for that period of time. I don't have answers or recommendations for anybody. Not even sure what to do for my own kid re: bifidus! But thought I'd share this information. Kayla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 Dr. Natasha -McBride's own probiotic (which she developed for her patients), Bio-Kult, contains 4 different Bifidobacteria. Dr. Natasha has also used and recommended Primal Defense (SCD illegal), which also includes 4 different Bifidobacteria. Bio-Kult also contains maltodextrin (SCD illegal and possible excitotoxin), by the way. Last fall I decided I wanted to switch to a maltodextrin-free probiotic so dropped Bio-Kult while continuing Lactobacillus plantarum (GG) and Saccharomyces Boulardii. Then I couldn't find a suitable substitute probiotic. My daughter's digestion deteriorated rapidly. And improved again, though not " back to normal " , when I restarted Bio-Kult. If I remember correctly, bifidus bacteria produce vitamin K, and that's needed for bile production and fat digestion -- someone on another list thought the lack of bifidus and so vitamin K deficiency might have been why my daughter's digestion deteriorated without Bio-Kult. However, adding vitamin K1 to her supps hasn't been a magical fix for getting her digestion back to where it was before I dropped Bio-Kult for that period of time. I don't have answers or recommendations for anybody. Not even sure what to do for my own kid re: bifidus! But thought I'd share this information. Kayla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 Kayla, What was/is her digestion problems...absorbtion, loose stools....My son has been fully SCD for almost 7 months and has yet to gain weight. He does have fat digestion problems although a lot better than pre-SCD. Do you think vitamin K could make a difference? Thanks, Elijah 3.5, formerly ASD, leaky-gut, failure to thrive a 2 All SCD almost 7 months Wildman wrote: If I remember correctly, bifidus bacteria produce vitamin K, and that's needed for bile production and fat digestion -- someone on another list thought the lack of bifidus and so vitamin K deficiency might have been why my daughter's digestion deteriorated without Bio-Kult. However, adding vitamin K1 to her supps hasn't been a magical fix for getting her digestion back to where it was before I dropped Bio-Kult for that period of time. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 from the link given with original post....t writes: In the case of bifidus, it has a tendency to overgrow. Each type of bacteria has different properties, different byproducts... I usually think of it in terms of different levels of tenacity and aggression. Your gut is truly a multicultural society - some member are more altruistic, and others are criminal. Some are interested in improving the neighborhood, and some are only out for themselves...........http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/b\ ifidus.htm<http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/bifidus.htm\ > A short testimony about bifidus and the BEAST! I wanted to share that before we ate the SCDiet...and I learned about this bifidus becoming a " bad guy " in some of us........we gave our celiac daughter bifidus containing probiotics....we had been told to give them to her.........and we bought them.........24 hours later, I truly wish we had not....she ended up in a celiac crises...I joke you not! At the time we thought they contained gluten! lol! (for those that don't know...celiacs are told to eat gluten free).....I had became the " gluten celiac detective in our home! " ......We found our self in the ER with a very very sick baby....Almost had to be hospitalized for dehydration and pain. They had to give her ATROPINE to stop the cramping and diarrhea. It was later that I made the connection to the darn bifidus that we had bought...so much for it containing gluten! Thanks to Elaine and the work Dr. Haas did...I now know why. Antoinette (mother to KiKi - 2 celiac/autistic SCD 2/06) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 What are some other adverse reactions to bifidus in probiotics? My son started taking a new probiotic w/bifidus as recommended by our DAN for a month now. I was worried about how he would react to it, but was willing to give it a try. I waited from him to crash and burn or the sky to come falling down, but it never came. Are there hidden symptoms that aren't as apparent? I noticed a slight increase in stimming, but that could be due to some new foods. Any advice on this matter is greatly appreciated. Thank you, > > from the link given with original post....t writes: > In the case of bifidus, it has a tendency to overgrow. Each type of bacteria has different properties, different byproducts... I usually think of it in terms of different levels of tenacity and aggression. Your gut is truly a multicultural society - some member are more altruistic, and others are criminal. Some are interested in improving the neighborhood, and some are only out for themselves...........http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/ knowledge_base/kb/bifidus.htm<http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/ knowledge_base/kb/bifidus.htm> > > > A short testimony about bifidus and the BEAST! > > I wanted to share that before we ate the SCDiet...and I learned about this bifidus becoming a " bad guy " in some of us........we gave our celiac daughter bifidus containing probiotics....we had been told to give them to her.........and we bought them.........24 hours later, I truly wish we had not....she ended up in a celiac crises...I joke you not! > > At the time we thought they contained gluten! lol! (for those that don't know...celiacs are told to eat gluten free).....I had became the " gluten celiac detective in our home! " ......We found our self in the ER with a very very sick baby....Almost had to be hospitalized for dehydration and pain. They had to give her ATROPINE to stop the cramping and diarrhea. It was later that I made the connection to the darn bifidus that we had bought...so much for it containing gluten! Thanks to Elaine and the work Dr. Haas did...I now know why. > > Antoinette (mother to KiKi - 2 celiac/autistic SCD 2/06) > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 This is only my opinion, but if Elaine worried about it, or didn't like it, or tells us not to use it. We respect this in our home. We messed around trusting doctors and other diet protocols for 15 months...and for what? To stay sick. Many doctors do not understand how SCD works and unintentionally recommend things that are not good and interfere with the success. Like assuming that a " tweek " her or there will do no harm...when it truly can...and Elaine feared this. For example, telling one to use supplements with a little illegal in them, bifidus, chelation, and protease in the enzymes. All Elaine disapproved of a lot of these things. If your son is like my son, he never had any symptoms other than ADHD and some ASD traits doing other protocols. He is tall and looks well fed, but had the vicious cycle all the same. Are daughter on the other hand...as you put it " the sky fall down " ...like I have already shared....yet she was much, much, more sick than some of the kids on this serve. For you, increased stimming...could be it. Try not to assume that it isn't. AS the gut heals food intolerances should lessen or vanish. Maybe try just SCD for three months with no altercations at all, complying 100% to the BTVC book and what Elaine Believed in on her Web Site...and see if you truly need to do other protocol. This is what we have done and the results have been remarkable. We may be " just " been lucky...but I don't think so. Hope this helps, Antoinette (mom to -5 celiac/adhd Kiki-2 celiac/autistic Bubbles-1 hyperekplexia; SCD 100% since 2/06....with some true accidents on the way...healing when no other way worked....may be loosing the ASD diagnosis (it sure looks like it)...we pray) Re: Bifidus What are some other adverse reactions to bifidus in probiotics? My son started taking a new probiotic w/bifidus as recommended by our DAN for a month now. I was worried about how he would react to it, but was willing to give it a try. I waited from him to crash and burn or the sky to come falling down, but it never came. Are there hidden symptoms that aren't as apparent? I noticed a slight increase in stimming, but that could be due to some new foods. Any advice on this matter is greatly appreciated. Thank you, > > from the link given with original post....t writes: > In the case of bifidus, it has a tendency to overgrow. Each type of bacteria has different properties, different byproducts... I usually think of it in terms of different levels of tenacity and aggression. Your gut is truly a multicultural society - some member are more altruistic, and others are criminal. Some are interested in improving the neighborhood, and some are only out for themselves...........http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/<http://www.breakin\ gtheviciouscycle.info/> knowledge_base/kb/bifidus.htm<http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/<http://ww\ w.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/> knowledge_base/kb/bifidus.htm> > > > A short testimony about bifidus and the BEAST! > > I wanted to share that before we ate the SCDiet...and I learned about this bifidus becoming a " bad guy " in some of us........we gave our celiac daughter bifidus containing probiotics....we had been told to give them to her.........and we bought them.........24 hours later, I truly wish we had not....she ended up in a celiac crises...I joke you not! > > At the time we thought they contained gluten! lol! (for those that don't know...celiacs are told to eat gluten free).....I had became the " gluten celiac detective in our home! " ......We found our self in the ER with a very very sick baby....Almost had to be hospitalized for dehydration and pain. They had to give her ATROPINE to stop the cramping and diarrhea. It was later that I made the connection to the darn bifidus that we had bought...so much for it containing gluten! Thanks to Elaine and the work Dr. Haas did...I now know why. > > Antoinette (mother to KiKi - 2 celiac/autistic SCD 2/06) > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 I appreciate your input. I'm really considering going that route. I've been on the fence with this issue ever since he started the probiotic one month ago. As I mentioned some slight increased stimming, but there are areas of improvement too…this has beem my dilema. He has also been taking nystatin for 10 months or so, and a DMPS topical creme for chelation. I don't think the nystatin is doing any good. But, Last time we tested his blood, most of his metals were at normal level, so the DMPS might have attributed to that. I do believe SCD is helping tremendously, and he's been doing so well. The one thing that has never really gone away is the stimming - it has decreased from time to time, but never gone. You mentioned a lot of your daughters autisitc symptoms have diminished…please share some details. Thank you, > > > > from the link given with original post....t writes: > > In the case of bifidus, it has a tendency to overgrow. Each type of bacteria has different > properties, different byproducts... I usually think of it in terms of different levels of > tenacity and aggression. Your gut is truly a multicultural society - some member are more > altruistic, and others are criminal. Some are interested in improving the neighborhood, > and some are only out for themselves...........http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/ <http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/> > knowledge_base/kb/bifidus.htm<http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/<http:// www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/> > knowledge_base/kb/bifidus.htm> > > > > > > A short testimony about bifidus and the BEAST! > > > > I wanted to share that before we ate the SCDiet...and I learned about this bifidus > becoming a " bad guy " in some of us........we gave our celiac daughter bifidus containing > probiotics....we had been told to give them to her.........and we bought them.........24 hours > later, I truly wish we had not....she ended up in a celiac crises...I joke you not! > > > > At the time we thought they contained gluten! lol! (for those that don't know...celiacs > are told to eat gluten free).....I had became the " gluten celiac detective in our > home! " ......We found our self in the ER with a very very sick baby....Almost had to be > hospitalized for dehydration and pain. They had to give her ATROPINE to stop the > cramping and diarrhea. It was later that I made the connection to the darn bifidus that we > had bought...so much for it containing gluten! Thanks to Elaine and the work Dr. Haas > did...I now know why. > > > > Antoinette (mother to KiKi - 2 celiac/autistic SCD 2/06) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 I'm going to try my hand here. What I have learned from other's posts when it has come up in the past is that Bifidus is a normally occurring good guy, but that probiotics because they are given in pill form or powder form, allow it to be implanted too high up in the intestines. I guess Bifidus belongs in the lower intestines. Also,my take is that it can be much like the soil organisms in that it may displace the bad guys initially resulting in a short term gain, but then overtake the environment and become a bad guy. Hope I did't botch it all, but that's what I remember. You may want to search the archives for Bifidus. It has come up a few times in the last 3 months. Best to you. Colby celiac 2.5 months > > > > > > from the link given with original post....t writes: > > > In the case of bifidus, it has a tendency to overgrow. Each type of bacteria has > different > > properties, different byproducts... I usually think of it in terms of different levels of > > tenacity and aggression. Your gut is truly a multicultural society - some member are > more > > altruistic, and others are criminal. Some are interested in improving the neighborhood, > > and some are only out for themselves...........http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/ > <http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/> > > knowledge_base/kb/bifidus.htm<http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/ <http:// > www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/> > > knowledge_base/kb/bifidus.htm> > > > > > > > > > A short testimony about bifidus and the BEAST! > > > > > > I wanted to share that before we ate the SCDiet...and I learned about this bifidus > > becoming a " bad guy " in some of us........we gave our celiac daughter bifidus > containing > > probiotics....we had been told to give them to her.........and we bought them.........24 > hours > > later, I truly wish we had not....she ended up in a celiac crises...I joke you not! > > > > > > At the time we thought they contained gluten! lol! (for those that don't know...celiacs > > are told to eat gluten free).....I had became the " gluten celiac detective in our > > home! " ......We found our self in the ER with a very very sick baby....Almost had to be > > hospitalized for dehydration and pain. They had to give her ATROPINE to stop the > > cramping and diarrhea. It was later that I made the connection to the darn bifidus that > we > > had bought...so much for it containing gluten! Thanks to Elaine and the work Dr. Haas > > did...I now know why. > > > > > > Antoinette (mother to KiKi - 2 celiac/autistic SCD 2/06) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 I was wondering did Elaine originally get her ideas about Bifidus through Drs Haas and Haas's work in their book Management of Celiac Disease? They quote a study in there specifically about Bifidus over-growing in diseased guts? Also, did Elaine later study bifidus herself specifically? Thanks! Jodi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 At 09:46 AM 11/15/2009, you wrote: I was wondering did Elaine originally get her ideas about Bifidus through Drs Haas and Haas's work in their book Management of Celiac Disease? They quote a study in there specifically about Bifidus over-growing in diseased guts? Also, did Elaine later study bifidus herself specifically? Elaine did significant study of gut bacteria, bio-films and other stuff. Recall that her daughter had been healed by Dr. Haas' diet, but that as he had passed on, she could not ask him WHY it worked. So she obtained two college degrees, and made the WHY of SCD her life's work. I can tell you from personal experience that bifidus is a great way to feel worse. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 Marilyn.. You're funny.. What year was it that Elaine took her daughter to the docs office? Thanks! Jodi > I can tell you from personal experience that > bifidus is a great way to feel worse. > > > — Marilyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2009 Report Share Posted November 15, 2009 At 11:11 AM 11/15/2009, you wrote: What year was it that Elaine took her daughter to the docs office? Don't know -- only that Dr. Haas had retired and was not regularly seeing patients. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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