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How do you introduce it to the to the lower bowel?... suppository?

Agape,

momfreespirit wrote:

the problem with bifidus is its a lower bowel bacteria , but when you

have a yogurt with it in you are implanting it where its not designed

to go, that is the stomach and upper intestine

" why dot an i when you can spill a can of paint? because only dotting

the i works and spilling a can of paint covers up what you are trying

to see. most people think think problem solving is spilling a can of

paint "

from 'quotes you never saw' by a pearl-among-swine

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

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It has been discovered that this very much needed probiotic Bifidus

when taken out of check...and becomes overly abundant that it causes

a BIG problem. It is like a good guy becoming bad...because there

are too many of them. Look at it this way...you are fighing a

war...to many submarines...will not win the war. You need all sorts

of different soliders, tanks, airplans....and all.

It has been proven by Dr. Haas and Elaine and many GI specialists

(some DAN! doctors may not know this), that Bifidus turns into a

OVERGROWTH conditions. Taking more could make the vicious cycle not

be able to STOP. SCDiet alone can help mother nature put this

entire picture with BIFIDUS and all the Good guys gone bad....back

into check. You see in the right numbers even Yeast is not bad.

This is why anti-fungals some times slow progress in those of us

trying to do it through diet....these anti-fungals can cause the

overgrowth of other " bad guys " ...and the vicious cycle continues.

If you have damaged gut and ASD problems....more than likely if you

have a vicious cycle....you are one of us with too much BIFIDUS and

Yeast and clostidia just to name a few. Take the probiotics that

are allowed...and eat SCD for a year and heal...it has worked for 50

years...on thousands of people...who left Bifiuds out. No anti-

fungals no enzymes no nothing needed but SCD foods. On SCDiet the

Bifidus numbers and all the rest of these gut guys will go back down

to normal. ANd then Bifidus can do their BENIFITUAL job again of

helping to produce B12 and all those wonderfu vitimins. Too

many...they stop doing their job for some reason. Right numbers

they work again.

Hope this helps to explain things. Antoinette

>

> I dont understand what you are saying about bifidus?

> Please explain more clearly. When the DAN doctors all say to take

Bifidus, you are saying do not.

>

> I found Enzymedica (digest) but it has Bifidus in it as well as

enzymes. I am wondering if this bifidus could have made me ill as I

was very ill having the stomach flu and now think that it was caused

by the bifidus?

>

> I need a more of a clear visual to understand this.

> Thank you

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I choose to trust what has worked in the past SCDiet alone has put

the BIfidus back into check and where it belongs. It can take 1 to

2 years (a few took 3 years because of SCD breaks in the diet and

accidents that brok the diet/such as treatment plans that slow its

progress/chelation/anti-fungals and enzymes...or forbidden foods).

Regardless, history has testified that just simple " fanatical

adherance " to the SCDiet to do this balancing act. Almost sound too

easy!

I have been told " KEEP IT SIMPLE " by those that healed the SCD way.

I now am seeing why. So many doctors, DAN! and all want to

complicate this entire picture...with ideas that may not work as

well....or even cause SCD not to work.

Dr. Haas, and Elaine...and now Dr. Natasha all say that

mother nature alone can do this balancing act if we give her a

chance through JUST this miraculous diet. THat even tests for gut

bugs only test poop and are not accurate....the problem is with this

vicious cycle is much higher. No tests to date to even check what

is happening, accurately.

In the GAPS book she says that antifungals and such can cause the

overgrowth of other bad guys....they are not good to use. This

holds true for enzymes that kill yeast too...and God knows what

else..again putting things out of balance....enzmes and treatments I

have discovered through research don't work too well...continue to

cause imbalance in the gut.

Many kids with chelation also get the gut flora out of wack (because

it not only chelates the bad metals..it takes the good metals too

that the body needs..causing horrible imbalance...that then is

proven to start up the vicious cycle again...overgrowth of bad

guys...and even causes the good guys to become bad (like

bifidus)......

SCDiet alone is proven to detox, help the body to naturaly chelate

on it's own...plus it puts the gut flora back into check. Takes

time though...and most of us want a quick fix. According to Dr.

Natasha CAmpbell from " Gut and Psychology Syndrome " (who promotes

SCDiet) Mother nature gets sick fast....but often she heals slow.

We are trying to be pateint. We too want a quick fix. But think

after wasting so much precious time last year that we are going to

trust in this process....2.5 months and seeing wonderful results,

thus far....

Sincerely and to all, Antoinette

>

>

> the problem with bifidus is its a lower bowel bacteria , but when

you

> have a yogurt with it in you are implanting it where its not

designed

> to go, that is the stomach and upper intestine

>

> " why dot an i when you can spill a can of paint? because only

dotting

> the i works and spilling a can of paint covers up what you are

trying

> to see. most people think think problem solving is spilling a can

of

> paint "

>

> from 'quotes you never saw' by a pearl-among-swine

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

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I would talk it over with your DAN! doc...my son's stool analysis showed no

bifidus....he had major problems with abdominal distention (5 years old and

abdominal girth would vary by as much as 3 inches from day to day) we had to go

super slow when we added it in because it caused aggression at first (which may

I add SCD did also for the first 2 weeks), ANYWAY, his behavior got better

BEFORE SCD. He was a carbaholic so we decided SCD was the way to go and I'm

glad we did because he has made many more big improvements. I would just be

leery of the ONE SIZE FITS ALL approach because I think that's what got my son

in trouble to begin with (meaning immunizations). Just talk it over with your

doc and do what you think is right...you know YOUR child better than anyone. My

son is SCD AND taking Bifidus, a multiple strain acidophilus, mB12 injections,

LDN, and a few others. I think the gut damage and mechanism of damage varies so

much in the ASD children that an INDIVIDUALIZED

approach is neccesary. I'm an RN and since my son was dx 3 1/2 years ago I

have read and reread, analyzed and reanalyzed everything I could get my hands on

that talked about biomedical tx. YES SCD has helped dramatically in the 8 weeks

we have been on it but I'm not ready to throw in the towel on the other tx that

seem to be helping...besides, in his case he's almost exclusively eating

protein...I have to sneak veggies into things like meatloaf anf hamburgers so if

not for his multivitamins he would NOT be getting all the nutrients he needs.

Kirkman's will send you a catalog of their products....it tells if each item is

SCD legal or not. Hope this helps....Deanna

Jody H wrote: I dont understand what you are saying

about bifidus?

Please explain more clearly. When the DAN doctors all say to take Bifidus, you

are saying do not.

I found Enzymedica (digest) but it has Bifidus in it as well as enzymes. I am

wondering if this bifidus could have made me ill as I was very ill having the

stomach flu and now think that it was caused by the bifidus?

I need a more of a clear visual to understand this.

Thank you

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Iam doing much better now off bifidus. it set me back a few days and am

struggling with stomach problems. I will et better. Just takes time and less

eating or smaller meals. It is true that the medical profession wants us to keep

sick so they can make us sicker.

kikijabunce wrote: I choose to trust what has worked in the

past SCDiet alone has put

the BIfidus back into check and where it belongs. It can take 1 to

2 years (a few took 3 years because of SCD breaks in the diet and

accidents that brok the diet/such as treatment plans that slow its

progress/chelation/anti-fungals and enzymes...or forbidden foods).

Regardless, history has testified that just simple " fanatical

adherance " to the SCDiet to do this balancing act. Almost sound too

easy!

I have been told " KEEP IT SIMPLE " by those that healed the SCD way.

I now am seeing why. So many doctors, DAN! and all want to

complicate this entire picture...with ideas that may not work as

well....or even cause SCD not to work.

Dr. Haas, and Elaine...and now Dr. Natasha all say that

mother nature alone can do this balancing act if we give her a

chance through JUST this miraculous diet. THat even tests for gut

bugs only test poop and are not accurate....the problem is with this

vicious cycle is much higher. No tests to date to even check what

is happening, accurately.

In the GAPS book she says that antifungals and such can cause the

overgrowth of other bad guys....they are not good to use. This

holds true for enzymes that kill yeast too...and God knows what

else..again putting things out of balance....enzmes and treatments I

have discovered through research don't work too well...continue to

cause imbalance in the gut.

Many kids with chelation also get the gut flora out of wack (because

it not only chelates the bad metals..it takes the good metals too

that the body needs..causing horrible imbalance...that then is

proven to start up the vicious cycle again...overgrowth of bad

guys...and even causes the good guys to become bad (like

bifidus)......

SCDiet alone is proven to detox, help the body to naturaly chelate

on it's own...plus it puts the gut flora back into check. Takes

time though...and most of us want a quick fix. According to Dr.

Natasha CAmpbell from " Gut and Psychology Syndrome " (who promotes

SCDiet) Mother nature gets sick fast....but often she heals slow.

We are trying to be pateint. We too want a quick fix. But think

after wasting so much precious time last year that we are going to

trust in this process....2.5 months and seeing wonderful results,

thus far....

Sincerely and to all, Antoinette

>

>

> the problem with bifidus is its a lower bowel bacteria , but when

you

> have a yogurt with it in you are implanting it where its not

designed

> to go, that is the stomach and upper intestine

>

> " why dot an i when you can spill a can of paint? because only

dotting

> the i works and spilling a can of paint covers up what you are

trying

> to see. most people think think problem solving is spilling a can

of

> paint "

>

> from 'quotes you never saw' by a pearl-among-swine

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

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Spilling the can of paint in discussion is sometimes beneficial. So, what

factors induce the bifidus in breastmilk to colonize lower?

momfreespirit wrote:

the problem with bifidus is its a lower bowel bacteria , but when you

have a yogurt with it in you are implanting it where its not designed

to go, that is the stomach and upper intestine

" why dot an i when you can spill a can of paint? because only dotting

the i works and spilling a can of paint covers up what you are trying

to see. most people think think problem solving is spilling a can of

paint "

from 'quotes you never saw' by a pearl-among-swine

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

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Last post: " It is true that the medical profession wants us to keep

sick so they can make us sicker. " It truly makes one wonder doesn't

it. Dr. Haas knew of this cure 50 years ago....and then the GF diet

took over....this has truly kept many sick.

I guess they have a mortgage too....I don't know if the is consious

on their part...orthodox medicine is so behind...repeating history.

If they healed us all with diet...they would have to go get a second

job....growing SCD safe foods intstead, to sell and make profit off

of. lol!!

Dr. Haas goes to say in his book that most of his kids became

healthier than thier peers who continued to eat the SAD diet

(standard american diet)...I believe it.

Antoinette

> >

> >

> > the problem with bifidus is its a lower bowel bacteria , but

when

> you

> > have a yogurt with it in you are implanting it where its not

> designed

> > to go, that is the stomach and upper intestine

> >

> > " why dot an i when you can spill a can of paint? because only

> dotting

> > the i works and spilling a can of paint covers up what you are

> trying

> > to see. most people think think problem solving is spilling a

can

> of

> > paint "

> >

> > from 'quotes you never saw' by a pearl-among-swine

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

the

> book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read

the

> following websites:

> > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > and

> > http://www.pecanbread.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I have worked in the medical profession for over 13 years and have devoted

myself to caring for others and now for my son....the things I have learned are

to listen to the parent's of children, they know the child better than anyone

and have a vested interest in the child's recovery. Secondly, you can not say

" never " or " always " because if you do you will eventually be wrong. Lastly, no

one, but no one has all the answers and stay away from anyone who tells you they

do. This is my last post....this group is not what I thought it would be and it

irks me that someone who has never even met my little boy and who barely knows

anything about him or his individual, unique biochemistry would imply my

treatments are wrong....save yourself a reply because I'm signing off as soon as

I post this. Enough is enough already!!

Deanna

kikijabunce wrote:

Last post: " It is true that the medical profession wants us to keep

sick so they can make us sicker. " It truly makes one wonder doesn't

it. Dr. Haas knew of this cure 50 years ago....and then the GF diet

took over....this has truly kept many sick.

I guess they have a mortgage too....I don't know if the is consious

on their part...orthodox medicine is so behind...repeating history.

If they healed us all with diet...they would have to go get a second

job....growing SCD safe foods intstead, to sell and make profit off

of. lol!!

Dr. Haas goes to say in his book that most of his kids became

healthier than thier peers who continued to eat the SAD diet

(standard american diet)...I believe it.

Antoinette

> >

> >

> > the problem with bifidus is its a lower bowel bacteria , but

when

> you

> > have a yogurt with it in you are implanting it where its not

> designed

> > to go, that is the stomach and upper intestine

> >

> > " why dot an i when you can spill a can of paint? because only

> dotting

> > the i works and spilling a can of paint covers up what you are

> trying

> > to see. most people think think problem solving is spilling a

can

> of

> > paint "

> >

> > from 'quotes you never saw' by a pearl-among-swine

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

the

> book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read

the

> following websites:

> > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > and

> > http://www.pecanbread.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dr. Natasha -McBride's own probiotic (which she developed for her

patients), Bio-Kult, contains 4 different Bifidobacteria.

Dr. Natasha has also used and recommended Primal Defense (SCD illegal),

which also includes 4 different Bifidobacteria.

Bio-Kult also contains maltodextrin (SCD illegal and possible excitotoxin),

by the way. Last fall I decided I wanted to switch to a maltodextrin-free

probiotic so dropped Bio-Kult while continuing Lactobacillus plantarum (GG)

and Saccharomyces Boulardii. Then I couldn't find a suitable substitute

probiotic. My daughter's digestion deteriorated rapidly. And improved

again, though not " back to normal " , when I restarted Bio-Kult. If I

remember correctly, bifidus bacteria produce vitamin K, and that's needed

for bile production and fat digestion -- someone on another list thought the

lack of bifidus and so vitamin K deficiency might have been why my

daughter's digestion deteriorated without Bio-Kult. However, adding vitamin

K1 to her supps hasn't been a magical fix for getting her digestion back to

where it was before I dropped Bio-Kult for that period of time.

I don't have answers or recommendations for anybody. Not even sure what to

do for my own kid re: bifidus! But thought I'd share this information.

Kayla

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Dr. Natasha -McBride's own probiotic (which she developed for her

patients), Bio-Kult, contains 4 different Bifidobacteria.

Dr. Natasha has also used and recommended Primal Defense (SCD illegal),

which also includes 4 different Bifidobacteria.

Bio-Kult also contains maltodextrin (SCD illegal and possible excitotoxin),

by the way. Last fall I decided I wanted to switch to a maltodextrin-free

probiotic so dropped Bio-Kult while continuing Lactobacillus plantarum (GG)

and Saccharomyces Boulardii. Then I couldn't find a suitable substitute

probiotic. My daughter's digestion deteriorated rapidly. And improved

again, though not " back to normal " , when I restarted Bio-Kult. If I

remember correctly, bifidus bacteria produce vitamin K, and that's needed

for bile production and fat digestion -- someone on another list thought the

lack of bifidus and so vitamin K deficiency might have been why my

daughter's digestion deteriorated without Bio-Kult. However, adding vitamin

K1 to her supps hasn't been a magical fix for getting her digestion back to

where it was before I dropped Bio-Kult for that period of time.

I don't have answers or recommendations for anybody. Not even sure what to

do for my own kid re: bifidus! But thought I'd share this information.

Kayla

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Kayla,

What was/is her digestion problems...absorbtion, loose stools....My son

has been fully SCD for almost 7 months and has yet to gain weight. He does have

fat digestion problems although a lot better than pre-SCD. Do you think vitamin

K could make a difference?

Thanks,

Elijah 3.5, formerly ASD, leaky-gut, failure to thrive

a 2

All SCD almost 7 months

Wildman wrote:

If I

remember correctly, bifidus bacteria produce vitamin K, and that's needed

for bile production and fat digestion -- someone on another list thought the

lack of bifidus and so vitamin K deficiency might have been why my

daughter's digestion deteriorated without Bio-Kult. However, adding vitamin

K1 to her supps hasn't been a magical fix for getting her digestion back to

where it was before I dropped Bio-Kult for that period of time.

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from the link given with original post....t writes:

In the case of bifidus, it has a tendency to overgrow. Each type of bacteria has

different properties, different byproducts... I usually think of it in terms of

different levels of tenacity and aggression. Your gut is truly a multicultural

society - some member are more altruistic, and others are criminal. Some are

interested in improving the neighborhood, and some are only out for

themselves...........http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/b\

ifidus.htm<http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/bifidus.htm\

>

A short testimony about bifidus and the BEAST!

I wanted to share that before we ate the SCDiet...and I learned about this

bifidus becoming a " bad guy " in some of us........we gave our celiac daughter

bifidus containing probiotics....we had been told to give them to

her.........and we bought them.........24 hours later, I truly wish we had

not....she ended up in a celiac crises...I joke you not!

At the time we thought they contained gluten! lol! (for those that don't

know...celiacs are told to eat gluten free).....I had became the " gluten celiac

detective in our home! " ......We found our self in the ER with a very very sick

baby....Almost had to be hospitalized for dehydration and pain. They had to

give her ATROPINE to stop the cramping and diarrhea. It was later that I made

the connection to the darn bifidus that we had bought...so much for it

containing gluten! Thanks to Elaine and the work Dr. Haas did...I now know why.

Antoinette (mother to KiKi - 2 celiac/autistic SCD 2/06)

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What are some other adverse reactions to bifidus in probiotics? My son started

taking a

new probiotic w/bifidus as recommended by our DAN for a month now. I was worried

about how he would react to it, but was willing to give it a try. I waited from

him to crash

and burn or the sky to come falling down, but it never came. Are there hidden

symptoms

that aren't as apparent? I noticed a slight increase in stimming, but that could

be due to

some new foods. Any advice on this matter is greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

>

> from the link given with original post....t writes:

> In the case of bifidus, it has a tendency to overgrow. Each type of bacteria

has different

properties, different byproducts... I usually think of it in terms of different

levels of

tenacity and aggression. Your gut is truly a multicultural society - some member

are more

altruistic, and others are criminal. Some are interested in improving the

neighborhood,

and some are only out for

themselves...........http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/

knowledge_base/kb/bifidus.htm<http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/

knowledge_base/kb/bifidus.htm>

>

>

> A short testimony about bifidus and the BEAST!

>

> I wanted to share that before we ate the SCDiet...and I learned about this

bifidus

becoming a " bad guy " in some of us........we gave our celiac daughter bifidus

containing

probiotics....we had been told to give them to her.........and we bought

them.........24 hours

later, I truly wish we had not....she ended up in a celiac crises...I joke you

not!

>

> At the time we thought they contained gluten! lol! (for those that don't

know...celiacs

are told to eat gluten free).....I had became the " gluten celiac detective in

our

home! " ......We found our self in the ER with a very very sick baby....Almost had

to be

hospitalized for dehydration and pain. They had to give her ATROPINE to stop

the

cramping and diarrhea. It was later that I made the connection to the darn

bifidus that we

had bought...so much for it containing gluten! Thanks to Elaine and the work

Dr. Haas

did...I now know why.

>

> Antoinette (mother to KiKi - 2 celiac/autistic SCD 2/06)

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This is only my opinion, but if Elaine worried about it, or didn't like it, or

tells us not to use it. We respect this in our home. We messed around trusting

doctors and other diet protocols for 15 months...and for what? To stay sick.

Many doctors do not understand how SCD works and unintentionally recommend

things that are not good and interfere with the success. Like assuming that a

" tweek " her or there will do no harm...when it truly can...and Elaine feared

this. For example, telling one to use supplements with a little illegal in

them, bifidus, chelation, and protease in the enzymes. All Elaine disapproved

of a lot of these things.

If your son is like my son, he never had any symptoms other than ADHD and some

ASD traits doing other protocols. He is tall and looks well fed, but had the

vicious cycle all the same. Are daughter on the other hand...as you put it " the

sky fall down " ...like I have already shared....yet she was much, much, more sick

than some of the kids on this serve.

For you, increased stimming...could be it. Try not to assume that it isn't. AS

the gut heals food intolerances should lessen or vanish.

Maybe try just SCD for three months with no altercations at all, complying 100%

to the BTVC book and what Elaine Believed in on her Web Site...and see if you

truly need to do other protocol. This is what we have done and the results have

been remarkable. We may be " just " been lucky...but I don't think so.

Hope this helps, Antoinette

(mom to -5 celiac/adhd Kiki-2 celiac/autistic Bubbles-1 hyperekplexia;

SCD 100% since 2/06....with some true accidents on the way...healing when no

other way worked....may be loosing the ASD diagnosis (it sure looks like

it)...we pray)

Re: Bifidus

What are some other adverse reactions to bifidus in probiotics? My son started

taking a

new probiotic w/bifidus as recommended by our DAN for a month now. I was

worried

about how he would react to it, but was willing to give it a try. I waited

from him to crash

and burn or the sky to come falling down, but it never came. Are there hidden

symptoms

that aren't as apparent? I noticed a slight increase in stimming, but that

could be due to

some new foods. Any advice on this matter is greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

>

> from the link given with original post....t writes:

> In the case of bifidus, it has a tendency to overgrow. Each type of bacteria

has different

properties, different byproducts... I usually think of it in terms of

different levels of

tenacity and aggression. Your gut is truly a multicultural society - some

member are more

altruistic, and others are criminal. Some are interested in improving the

neighborhood,

and some are only out for

themselves...........http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/<http://www.breakin\

gtheviciouscycle.info/>

knowledge_base/kb/bifidus.htm<http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/<http://ww\

w.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/>

knowledge_base/kb/bifidus.htm>

>

>

> A short testimony about bifidus and the BEAST!

>

> I wanted to share that before we ate the SCDiet...and I learned about this

bifidus

becoming a " bad guy " in some of us........we gave our celiac daughter bifidus

containing

probiotics....we had been told to give them to her.........and we bought

them.........24 hours

later, I truly wish we had not....she ended up in a celiac crises...I joke you

not!

>

> At the time we thought they contained gluten! lol! (for those that don't

know...celiacs

are told to eat gluten free).....I had became the " gluten celiac detective in

our

home! " ......We found our self in the ER with a very very sick baby....Almost

had to be

hospitalized for dehydration and pain. They had to give her ATROPINE to stop

the

cramping and diarrhea. It was later that I made the connection to the darn

bifidus that we

had bought...so much for it containing gluten! Thanks to Elaine and the work

Dr. Haas

did...I now know why.

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I appreciate your input. I'm really considering going that route. I've been on

the fence with

this issue ever since he started the probiotic one month ago. As I mentioned

some slight

increased stimming, but there are areas of improvement too…this has beem my

dilema.

He has also been taking nystatin for 10 months or so, and a DMPS topical creme

for

chelation. I don't think the nystatin is doing any good. But, Last time we

tested his blood,

most of his metals were at normal level, so the DMPS might have attributed to

that. I do

believe SCD is helping tremendously, and he's been doing so well. The one thing

that has

never really gone away is the stimming - it has decreased from time to time, but

never

gone. You mentioned a lot of your daughters autisitc symptoms have

diminished…please

share some details.

Thank you,

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> > from the link given with original post....t writes:

> > In the case of bifidus, it has a tendency to overgrow. Each type of

bacteria has

different

> properties, different byproducts... I usually think of it in terms of

different levels of

> tenacity and aggression. Your gut is truly a multicultural society - some

member are

more

> altruistic, and others are criminal. Some are interested in improving the

neighborhood,

> and some are only out for

themselves...........http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/

<http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/>

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knowledge_base/kb/bifidus.htm<http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/<http://

www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/>

> knowledge_base/kb/bifidus.htm>

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> > A short testimony about bifidus and the BEAST!

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> > I wanted to share that before we ate the SCDiet...and I learned about this

bifidus

> becoming a " bad guy " in some of us........we gave our celiac daughter

bifidus

containing

> probiotics....we had been told to give them to her.........and we bought

them.........24

hours

> later, I truly wish we had not....she ended up in a celiac crises...I joke

you not!

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> > At the time we thought they contained gluten! lol! (for those that don't

know...celiacs

> are told to eat gluten free).....I had became the " gluten celiac detective

in our

> home! " ......We found our self in the ER with a very very sick baby....Almost

had to be

> hospitalized for dehydration and pain. They had to give her ATROPINE to

stop the

> cramping and diarrhea. It was later that I made the connection to the darn

bifidus that

we

> had bought...so much for it containing gluten! Thanks to Elaine and the

work Dr. Haas

> did...I now know why.

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> > Antoinette (mother to KiKi - 2 celiac/autistic SCD 2/06)

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I'm going to try my hand here. What I have learned from other's

posts when it has come up in the past is that Bifidus is a normally

occurring good guy, but that probiotics because they are given in

pill form or powder form, allow it to be implanted too high up in the

intestines. I guess Bifidus belongs in the lower intestines.

Also,my take is that it can be much like the soil organisms in that

it may displace the bad guys initially resulting in a short term

gain, but then overtake the environment and become a bad guy. Hope I

did't botch it all, but that's what I remember. You may want to

search the archives for Bifidus. It has come up a few times in the

last 3 months.

Best to you.

Colby

celiac

2.5 months

> > >

> > > from the link given with original post....t writes:

> > > In the case of bifidus, it has a tendency to overgrow. Each

type of bacteria has

> different

> > properties, different byproducts... I usually think of it in

terms of different levels of

> > tenacity and aggression. Your gut is truly a multicultural

society - some member are

> more

> > altruistic, and others are criminal. Some are interested in

improving the neighborhood,

> > and some are only out for

themselves...........http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/

> <http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/>

> >

knowledge_base/kb/bifidus.htm<http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/

<http://

> www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/>

> > knowledge_base/kb/bifidus.htm>

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> > > A short testimony about bifidus and the BEAST!

> > >

> > > I wanted to share that before we ate the SCDiet...and I

learned about this bifidus

> > becoming a " bad guy " in some of us........we gave our celiac

daughter bifidus

> containing

> > probiotics....we had been told to give them to her.........and

we bought them.........24

> hours

> > later, I truly wish we had not....she ended up in a celiac

crises...I joke you not!

> > >

> > > At the time we thought they contained gluten! lol! (for those

that don't know...celiacs

> > are told to eat gluten free).....I had became the " gluten

celiac detective in our

> > home! " ......We found our self in the ER with a very very sick

baby....Almost had to be

> > hospitalized for dehydration and pain. They had to give her

ATROPINE to stop the

> > cramping and diarrhea. It was later that I made the connection

to the darn bifidus that

> we

> > had bought...so much for it containing gluten! Thanks to

Elaine and the work Dr. Haas

> > did...I now know why.

> > >

> > > Antoinette (mother to KiKi - 2 celiac/autistic SCD 2/06)

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I was wondering did Elaine originally get her ideas about Bifidus through Drs

Haas and Haas's work in their book Management of Celiac Disease? They quote a

study in there specifically about Bifidus over-growing in diseased guts?

Also, did Elaine later study bifidus herself specifically?

Thanks!

Jodi

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At 09:46 AM 11/15/2009, you wrote:

I was wondering did Elaine

originally get her ideas about Bifidus through Drs Haas and Haas's work

in their book Management of Celiac Disease? They quote a study in there

specifically about Bifidus over-growing in diseased guts?

Also, did Elaine later study bifidus herself

specifically?

Elaine did significant study of gut bacteria, bio-films and other stuff.

Recall that her daughter had been healed by Dr. Haas' diet, but that as

he had passed on, she could not ask him WHY it worked. So she obtained

two college degrees, and made the WHY of SCD her life's work.

I can tell you from personal experience that bifidus is a great way to

feel worse.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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Marilyn..

You're funny..

What year was it that Elaine took her daughter to the docs office?

Thanks!

Jodi

> I can tell you from personal experience that

> bifidus is a great way to feel worse.

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At 11:11 AM 11/15/2009, you wrote:

What year was it that Elaine

took her daughter to the docs office?

Don't know -- only that Dr. Haas had retired and was not regularly seeing

patients.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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