PETITION

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In a message dated 5/23/01 1:12:28 AM, duodenalswitch writes:

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> One of the Moderators wrote a nice long post explaining that Deb

> has not been censored or banned.

What would you call it then?>>>>>

It' called 'moderation'. When someone slanders another person or surgeon it

will not be tolerated on the list. Deb has posted numerous times in the past

and these posts were not removed, censored, previewed in any way. She is NOT

banned from the list. Her name does NOT appear in the banned list anywhere!

I do not think she has been censored, either but that is a large difference

of opinion.

If she were moderated simply because she said she hated her surgeon, she

thought her surgeon was incompetent, etc. - then why hadn't this occured eons

ago? Why did this issue only arise after she posted about her new e-group

'drrenisabutcher'? Can you explain that by the theory that she is bein

censored for having a 'difference of opinion' with anyone in the group?

> She further went on to say

> that in the past, Deb has taken time-out's from posting for awhile

> and likely, she is doing that again.

Not the case!>>>>>>

I beg to differ. There have been posts made by Deb saying she wanted to

'leave the group' because some members disagreed with her (sometimes rather

strongly). I must note that this was NOT an issue between 'moderator' and

Deb, but fellow list members and Deb. There were long periods where she

has not posted and other times when she has come back and posted. Look in

the archives - it is all there. As to the reasons why she has posted in

'cycles', I do not know. Perhaps she went on vacation? perhaps she didn't

feel like reading the list? It is not like she consistently posted on a

frequent basis. There have been periods where she didn't post at all and

then other times when she was quite active responding to others' questions,

discussing her surgery experience, etc.

>

>

> Just because someone chooses to stay silent for awhile does

> not mean they've been vanquished.

You're right; just censored. When ones posts need to be approved by the

moderator that is being censored, plain and simple.>>>>>>

Once again, this involves a legal issue here, not Deb's sole right to express

herself.

> However, I'm curious why

> those signing the petition believe that to be the case?

See above.>>>>>

I strongly disagree. I think many of those signing the petition believe that

Deb has been 'banned' or 'censored' merely for expressing her opinions and do

not realize that, to the list owner and others on the list, slandering a

surgeon is not to be taken lightly, especially since she is in a legal battle

with said surgeon. They may not have looked in the archives and seen the

numerous posts Deb has made in the past and seen that she has pretty much

always said what was on her mind --- Some people applauded her and others

critisized her for it. But, these messages were not in any way previewed,

deleted, omitted, etc.

> Did our

> co-moderator make a mistake or something?

Can't and won't speak for the moderator.>>>>>

That is good -- Now I wish that people would stop talking for Deb as well.

This has happened in the past where everyone was writing on her behalf but

she did not respond herself. I do not know the reason she did not respond

and let everyone else speak for her (this was way before she posted about the

drrenisabutcher group).

I highly suggest everyone do their research on the issue. If, after reading

the previous posts, disscussions, etc. and read what Deb and others have

said, one still feels that Deb has been unfairly 'censored', so be it. But,

really --- look at the lengthly archives before declaring this a black and

white issue.

all the best,

co-moderator, Duodenalswitch list

lap ds with gallbladder removal

Dr. Gagner/Dr. Quinn assisting/Mt. Sinai/NYC

January 25, 2001

almost 4 months post-op and still feelin' fab!

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We, the undersigned, request that deb (ciar1) be removed from censored

status and reinstated as a regular member of the group. One of the

primary purposes of this group is to support it's members through good

times and bad. If we can't count on one another during the most

difficult of times then that severely diminishes the group's value.

We need to be strong enough in ourselves to listen to our brothers

and sisters when they reach out in pain without losing ourselves in it.

The other primary purpose of this group is education. New members

deserve to hear about both positive and negative outcomes of surgery

and variety in our membership provides this balance. Deb has not only

contributed her experience, but has contributed numerous unbiased

educational posts that have been of great value to all of us. We need

to continue to allow her to benefit us, as much as we need to continue

to bring what each of us has to offer.

Differences of opinion are not reason enough to shut out our members.

We are a support group, and deb needs and deserves our support.

She is a valuable member of this group and has given a lot to many

members here. We want her back.

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