Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 Connie, I know that in Calif. the only way to get into Voc Rehab is if you're injured on the job. It isn't available for self-referral. They also don't use Voc Rehab for displaced workers. In CA it's the Unemployment Dept that does the retraining-- but only if you've been fired or down-sized. If you leave a job voluntarily (sp) than you're screwed. I went thru Voc Rehab when I tore up my back on the job- back in 1982-- actually it was 2 yrs later that I ended up with Voc Rehab. VR wanted to train me to rewind altenators--as I am pretty good at mechanical stuff. I wasn't buying into that one, so they pulled on all my secretarial and office management, and put me to work for a pest control company. (Talk about a story behind that job. . ) It was from there that I worked my way into medicine- first as a "collector" (don't stone me guys- we never took a single home away) for 29 MD's. I then worked into Ophthalmology, and spent the next 15 yrs doing that job-- working up to Administrating 21 employees, and a 7 million dollar practice. Loved every minute of it! We all put money into the State "kitty" and depending on how the State wants to run the program-- (we all need to move to FL) depends on how the programs work. It's a real lesson to figure out what direction to go. Dept. of Rehabilitation, Dept of Welfare and Human Resources, Dept. of Employment, Social Security, MediCaid or MediCal-which falls under Dept of Welfare in CA) are all resources that may be of help. With SSDI-- when you have been off work due to illness for 6 consectutive months-- even if you are getting your State Disability Insurance or Short-term Disability from your employer, it's time to start the paperwork for SSDI. SSDI will take over at the 1 year anniversary of when you went out on disability. It also pays you retroactively from the date you started the paperwork. If there is a difference between what you are getting from your State Disability Insurance and what you qualify for from SSDI-- then you will get that additional money. also, if you start it at the 6 month anniversary-- then if it takes a year or more to get it approved, then you are that much closer to getting an income. Many employers have a Short-term disability that will subsidize your STate disability, and then transfers to a Long-term disability if you qualify for SSDI. This can be anywhere from adding an extra 10% to matching your SSDI (which will be 25% of what you are making as a full-time employee)--so many times you will still have an income of 50-60% of what you're making while you where able to work. Talk to your Human Resources person. Each company is different, and generally it's the school districts, hospitals, and union jobs that have these types of benefits. (MARK THE BOX FOR LONG-TERM BENEFITS IF IT'S OPEN ENROLLMENT TIME! YOU MAY NEED IT SOMEDAY!) I do hope this helps, and Connie, as always, thank you for helping clarify the way things are done in your neck of hte woods! Blessings, Tracie NS co-owner/moderator PS. DO NOT LET THE TIME FRAMES FOR APPEALS LAPSE FOR DENIED DISABILITY CLAIMS. IF YOU DO-- YOU HAVE TO START OVER, AND CAN EASILY LOSE A YEAR OF RETRO-ACTIVE MONEY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 , I just looked up what would be our site (california style). I pulled up vocational rehabilitation california http://www.rehab.cahwnet.gov/exec/mission.htm. I looked up the eligibility, they are just like us...not a workers comp program. We only deal with workers comp on rare occasions and unless a person is laid off due to a disability they are ineligible for our program. Check out the site and you will see what I mean. They are under the department of revenue in california, and their mission statement is the same as ours. We've come a long way baby..... Southern Hugs Connie --- tiodaat@... wrote: > Connie, > > I know that in Calif. the only way to get into Voc > Rehab is if you're injured > on the job. It isn't available for self-referral. > They also don't use Voc > Rehab for displaced workers. In CA it's the > Unemployment Dept that does the > retraining-- but only if you've been fired or > down-sized. If you leave a job > voluntarily (sp) than you're screwed. > > I went thru Voc Rehab when I tore up my back on the > job- back in 1982-- > actually it was 2 yrs later that I ended up with Voc > Rehab. VR wanted to train me > to rewind altenators--as I am pretty good at > mechanical stuff. I wasn't > buying into that one, so they pulled on all my > secretarial and office management, > and put me to work for a pest control company. > (Talk about a story behind that > job. . ) It was from there that I worked my way > into medicine- first as a > " collector " (don't stone me guys- we never took a > single home away) for 29 > MD's. I then worked into Ophthalmology, and spent > the next 15 yrs doing that > job-- working up to Administrating 21 employees, and > a 7 million dollar practice. > Loved every minute of it! > > We all put money into the State " kitty " and > depending on how the State wants > to run the program-- (we all need to move to FL) > depends on how the programs > work. It's a real lesson to figure out what > direction to go. > > Dept. of Rehabilitation, Dept of Welfare and Human > Resources, Dept. of > Employment, Social Security, MediCaid or > MediCal-which falls under Dept of Welfare > in CA) are all resources that may be of help. > > With SSDI-- when you have been off work due to > illness for 6 consectutive > months-- even if you are getting your State > Disability Insurance or Short-term > Disability from your employer, it's time to start > the paperwork for SSDI. > > SSDI will take over at the 1 year anniversary of > when you went out on > disability. It also pays you retroactively from the > date you started the paperwork. > If there is a difference between what you are > getting from your State > Disability Insurance and what you qualify for from > SSDI-- then you will get that > additional money. > > also, if you start it at the 6 month anniversary-- > then if it takes a year or > more to get it approved, then you are that much > closer to getting an income. > > > Many employers have a Short-term disability that > will subsidize your STate > disability, and then transfers to a Long-term > disability if you qualify for > SSDI. This can be anywhere from adding an extra 10% > to matching your SSDI (which > will be 25% of what you are making as a full-time > employee)--so many times you > will still have an income of 50-60% of what you're > making while you where > able to work. > > Talk to your Human Resources person. Each company > is different, and > generally it's the school districts, hospitals, and > union jobs that have these types > of benefits. (MARK THE BOX FOR LONG-TERM BENEFITS > IF IT'S OPEN ENROLLMENT > TIME! YOU MAY NEED IT SOMEDAY!) > > I do hope this helps, and Connie, as always, thank > you for helping clarify > the way things are done in your neck of hte woods! > > Blessings, > Tracie > NS co-owner/moderator > > PS. DO NOT LET THE TIME FRAMES FOR APPEALS LAPSE > FOR DENIED DISABILITY > CLAIMS. IF YOU DO-- YOU HAVE TO START OVER, AND CAN > EASILY LOSE A YEAR OF > RETRO-ACTIVE MONEY! > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2006 Report Share Posted August 15, 2006 Connie, I just tried that link & hit a dead end. I don't know if the site is down for some reason or what. Can you recheck the address? Muchas gracias. Rosita Ramblin' Rose Moderator Reply-To: Neurosarcoidosis To: Neurosarcoidosis Subject: Re: Vocational RehabDate: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:19:02 -0700 (PDT) ,I just looked up what would be our site (californiastyle). I pulled up vocational rehabilitationcaliforniahttp://www.rehab.cahwnet.gov/exec/mission.htm. I looked up the eligibility, they are just likeus...not a workers comp program. We only deal withworkers comp on rare occasions and unless a person islaid off due to a disability they are ineligible forour program. Check out the site and you will see whatI mean. They are under the department of revenue incalifornia, and their mission statement is the same asours.We've come a long way baby.....Southern Hugs Connie--- tiodaat (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:> Connie,> > I know that in Calif. the only way to get into Voc> Rehab is if you're injured > on the job. It isn't available for self-referral. > They also don't use Voc > Rehab for displaced workers. In CA it's the> Unemployment Dept that does the > retraining-- but only if you've been fired or> down-sized. If you leave a job > voluntarily (sp) than you're screwed. > > I went thru Voc Rehab when I tore up my back on the> job- back in 1982-- > actually it was 2 yrs later that I ended up with Voc> Rehab. VR wanted to train me > to rewind altenators--as I am pretty good at> mechanical stuff. I wasn't > buying into that one, so they pulled on all my> secretarial and office management, > and put me to work for a pest control company. > (Talk about a story behind that > job. . ) It was from there that I worked my way> into medicine- first as a > "collector" (don't stone me guys- we never took a> single home away) for 29 > MD's. I then worked into Ophthalmology, and spent> the next 15 yrs doing that > job-- working up to Administrating 21 employees, and> a 7 million dollar practice. > Loved every minute of it! > > We all put money into the State "kitty" and> depending on how the State wants > to run the program-- (we all need to move to FL)> depends on how the programs > work. It's a real lesson to figure out what> direction to go. > > Dept. of Rehabilitation, Dept of Welfare and Human> Resources, Dept. of > Employment, Social Security, MediCaid or> MediCal-which falls under Dept of Welfare > in CA) are all resources that may be of help.> > With SSDI-- when you have been off work due to> illness for 6 consectutive > months-- even if you are getting your State> Disability Insurance or Short-term > Disability from your employer, it's time to start> the paperwork for SSDI. > > SSDI will take over at the 1 year anniversary of> when you went out on > disability. It also pays you retroactively from the> date you started the paperwork. > If there is a difference between what you are> getting from your State > Disability Insurance and what you qualify for from> SSDI-- then you will get that > additional money. > > also, if you start it at the 6 month anniversary--> then if it takes a year or > more to get it approved, then you are that much> closer to getting an income. > > > Many employers have a Short-term disability that> will subsidize your STate > disability, and then transfers to a Long-term> disability if you qualify for > SSDI. This can be anywhere from adding an extra 10%> to matching your SSDI (which > will be 25% of what you are making as a full-time> employee)--so many times you > will still have an income of 50-60% of what you're> making while you where > able to work.> > Talk to your Human Resources person. Each company> is different, and > generally it's the school districts, hospitals, and> union jobs that have these types > of benefits. (MARK THE BOX FOR LONG-TERM BENEFITS> IF IT'S OPEN ENROLLMENT > TIME! YOU MAY NEED IT SOMEDAY!)> > I do hope this helps, and Connie, as always, thank> you for helping clarify > the way things are done in your neck of hte woods!> > Blessings,> Tracie> NS co-owner/moderator> > PS. DO NOT LET THE TIME FRAMES FOR APPEALS LAPSE > FOR DENIED DISABILITY > CLAIMS. IF YOU DO-- YOU HAVE TO START OVER, AND CAN> EASILY LOSE A YEAR OF > RETRO-ACTIVE MONEY!> __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 Rose, I copied the link: www.rehab.cahwnet.gov If this doesn't work, all I did was type in " vocational rehabilitation california " . Your most welcome...connie --- Rose mamadogrose@...> wrote: --------------------------------- Connie, I just tried that link & hit a dead end. I don't know if the site is down for some reason or what. Can you recheck the address? Muchas gracias. Rosita Ramblin' Rose Moderator --------------------------------- Reply-To: Neurosarcoidosis To: Neurosarcoidosis Subject: Re: Vocational Rehab Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:19:02 -0700 (PDT) , I just looked up what would be our site (california style). I pulled up vocational rehabilitation california http://www.rehab.cahwnet.gov/exec/mission.htm. I looked up the eligibility, they are just like us...not a workers comp program. We only deal with workers comp on rare occasions and unless a person is laid off due to a disability they are ineligible for our program. Check out the site and you will see what I mean. They are under the department of revenue in california, and their mission statement is the same as ours. We've come a long way baby..... Southern Hugs Connie --- tiodaat@... wrote: > Connie, > > I know that in Calif. the only way to get into Voc > Rehab is if you're injured > on the job. It isn't available for self-referral. > They also don't use Voc > Rehab for displaced workers. In CA it's the > Unemployment Dept that does the > retraining-- but only if you've been fired or > down-sized. If you leave a job > voluntarily (sp) than you're screwed. > > I went thru Voc Rehab when I tore up my back on the > job- back in 1982-- > actually it was 2 yrs later that I ended up with Voc > Rehab. VR wanted to train me > to rewind altenators--as I am pretty good at > mechanical stuff. I wasn't > buying into that one, so they pulled on all my > secretarial and office management, > and put me to work for a pest control company. > (Talk about a story behind that > job. . ) It was from there that I worked my way > into medicine- first as a > " collector " (don't stone me guys- we never took a > single home away) for 29 > MD's. I then worked into Ophthalmology, and spent > the next 15 yrs doing that > job-- working up to Administrating 21 employees, and > a 7 million dollar practice. > Loved every minute of it! > > We all put money into the State " kitty " and > depending on how the State wants > to run the program-- (we all need to move to FL) > depends on how the programs > work. It's a real lesson to figure out what > direction to go. > > Dept. of Rehabilitation, Dept of Welfare and Human > Resources, Dept. of > Employment, Social Security, MediCaid or > MediCal-which falls under Dept of Welfare > in CA) are all resources that may be of help. > > With SSDI-- when you have been off work due to > illness for 6 consectutive > months-- even if you are getting your State > Disability Insurance or Short-term > Disability from your employer, it's time to start > the paperwork for SSDI. > > SSDI will take over at the 1 year anniversary of > when you went out on > disability. It also pays you retroactively from the > date you started the paperwork. > If there is a difference between what you are > getting from your State > Disability Insurance and what you qualify for from > SSDI-- then you will get that > additional money. > > also, if you start it at the 6 month anniversary-- > then if it takes a year or > more to get it approved, then you are that much > closer to getting an income. > > > Many employers have a Short-term disability that > will subsidize your STate > disability, and then transfers to a Long-term > disability if you qualify for > SSDI. This can be anywhere from adding an extra 10% > to matching your SSDI (which > will be 25% of what you are making as a full-time > employee)--so many times you > will still have an income of 50-60% of what you're > making while you where > able to work. > > Talk to your Human Resources person. Each company > is different, and > generally it's the school districts, hospitals, and > union jobs that have these types > of benefits. (MARK THE BOX FOR LONG-TERM BENEFITS > IF IT'S OPEN ENROLLMENT > TIME! YOU MAY NEED IT SOMEDAY!) > > I do hope this helps, and Connie, as always, thank > you for helping clarify > the way things are done in your neck of hte woods! > > Blessings, > Tracie > NS co-owner/moderator > > PS. DO NOT LET THE TIME FRAMES FOR APPEALS LAPSE > FOR DENIED DISABILITY > CLAIMS. IF YOU DO-- YOU HAVE TO START OVER, AND CAN > EASILY LOSE A YEAR OF > RETRO-ACTIVE MONEY! > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 Wow, Connie, that's a pretty impressive website! I'll have to see what we have in Indiana. Thanks for sharing your expertise with us. Ramblin' Rose Moderator Reply-To: Neurosarcoidosis To: Neurosarcoidosis Subject: Re: Vocational RehabDate: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Rose,I copied the link: www.rehab.cahwnet.gov If this doesn't work, all I did was type in"vocational rehabilitation california".Your most welcome...connie--- Rose <mamadogrose (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:---------------------------------Connie, I just tried that link & hit a dead end. Idon't know if the site is down for some reason orwhat. Can you recheck the address? Muchas gracias. RositaRamblin' RoseModerator---------------------------------From: Connie Griffis <conaugusta (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>Reply-To: Neurosarcoidosis To: Neurosarcoidosis Subject: Re: Vocational RehabDate: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:19:02 -0700 (PDT),I just looked up what would be our site (californiastyle). I pulled up vocational rehabilitationcaliforniahttp://www.rehab.cahwnet.gov/exec/mission.htm. I looked up the eligibility, they are just likeus...not a workers comp program. We only deal withworkers comp on rare occasions and unless a person islaid off due to a disability they are ineligible forour program. Check out the site and you will see whatI mean. They are under the department of revenue incalifornia, and their mission statement is the same asours.We've come a long way baby.....Southern Hugs Connie--- tiodaat (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:> Connie,> > I know that in Calif. the only way to get into Voc> Rehab is if you're injured > on the job. It isn't available for self-referral. > They also don't use Voc > Rehab for displaced workers. In CA it's the> Unemployment Dept that does the > retraining-- but only if you've been fired or> down-sized. If you leave a job > voluntarily (sp) than you're screwed. > > I went thru Voc Rehab when I tore up my back on the> job- back in 1982-- > actually it was 2 yrs later that I ended up with Voc> Rehab. VR wanted to train me > to rewind altenators--as I am pretty good at> mechanical stuff. I wasn't > buying into that one, so they pulled on all my> secretarial and office management, > and put me to work for a pest control company. > (Talk about a story behind that > job. . ) It was from there that I worked my way> into medicine- first as a > "collector" (don't stone me guys- we never took a> single home away) for 29 > MD's. I then worked into Ophthalmology, and spent> the next 15 yrs doing that > job-- working up to Administrating 21 employees, and> a 7 million dollar practice. > Loved every minute of it! > > We all put money into the State "kitty" and> depending on how the State wants > to run the program-- (we all need to move to FL)> depends on how the programs > work. It's a real lesson to figure out what> direction to go. > > Dept. of Rehabilitation, Dept of Welfare and Human> Resources, Dept. of > Employment, Social Security, MediCaid or> MediCal-which falls under Dept of Welfare > in CA) are all resources that may be of help.> > With SSDI-- when you have been off work due to> illness for 6 consectutive > months-- even if you are getting your State> Disability Insurance or Short-term > Disability from your employer, it's time to start> the paperwork for SSDI. > > SSDI will take over at the 1 year anniversary of> when you went out on > disability. It also pays you retroactively from the> date you started the paperwork. > If there is a difference between what you are> getting from your State > Disability Insurance and what you qualify for from> SSDI-- then you will get that > additional money. > > also, if you start it at the 6 month anniversary--> then if it takes a year or > more to get it approved, then you are that much> closer to getting an income. > > > Many employers have a Short-term disability that> will subsidize your STate > disability, and then transfers to a Long-term> disability if you qualify for > SSDI. This can be anywhere from adding an extra 10%> to matching your SSDI (which > will be 25% of what you are making as a full-time> employee)--so many times you > will still have an income of 50-60% of what you're> making while you where > able to work.> > Talk to your Human Resources person. Each company> is different, and > generally it's the school districts, hospitals, and> union jobs that have these types > of benefits. (MARK THE BOX FOR LONG-TERM BENEFITS> IF IT'S OPEN ENROLLMENT > TIME! YOU MAY NEED IT SOMEDAY!)> > I do hope this helps, and Connie, as always, thank> you for helping clarify > the way things are done in your neck of hte woods!> > Blessings,> Tracie> NS co-owner/moderator> > PS. DO NOT LET THE TIME FRAMES FOR APPEALS LAPSE > FOR DENIED DISABILITY > CLAIMS. IF YOU DO-- YOU HAVE TO START OVER, AND CAN> EASILY LOSE A YEAR OF > RETRO-ACTIVE MONEY!> __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Glad to be of service///ConnieRose wrote: Wow, Connie, that's a pretty impressive website! I'll have to see what we have in Indiana. Thanks for sharing your expertise with us. Ramblin' Rose Moderator From: Connie Griffis <conaugusta (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>Reply-To: Neurosarcoidosis To: Neurosarcoidosis Subject: Re: Vocational RehabDate: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 02:45:59 -0700 (PDT) Rose,I copied the link: www.rehab.cahwnet.gov If this doesn't work, all I did was type in"vocational rehabilitation california".Your most welcome...connie--- Rose <mamadogrose (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:---------------------------------Connie, I just tried that link & hit a dead end. Idon't know if the site is down for some reason orwhat. Can you recheck the address? Muchas gracias. RositaRamblin' RoseModerator---------------------------------From: Connie Griffis <conaugusta (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>Reply-To: Neurosarcoidosis To: Neurosarcoidosis Subject: Re: Vocational RehabDate: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 21:19:02 -0700 (PDT),I just looked up what would be our site (californiastyle). I pulled up vocational rehabilitationcaliforniahttp://www.rehab.cahwnet.gov/exec/mission.htm. I looked up the eligibility, they are just likeus...not a workers comp program. We only deal withworkers comp on rare occasions and unless a person islaid off due to a disability they are ineligible forour program. Check out the site and you will see whatI mean. They are under the department of revenue incalifornia, and their mission statement is the same asours.We've come a long way baby.....Southern Hugs Connie--- tiodaat (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:> Connie,> > I know that in Calif. the only way to get into Voc> Rehab is if you're injured > on the job. It isn't available for self-referral. > They also don't use Voc > Rehab for displaced workers. In CA it's the> Unemployment Dept that does the > retraining-- but only if you've been fired or> down-sized. If you leave a job > voluntarily (sp) than you're screwed. > > I went thru Voc Rehab when I tore up my back on the> job- back in 1982-- > actually it was 2 yrs later that I ended up with Voc> Rehab. VR wanted to train me > to rewind altenators--as I am pretty good at> mechanical stuff. I wasn't > buying into that one, so they pulled on all my> secretarial and office management, > and put me to work for a pest control company. > (Talk about a story behind that > job. . ) It was from there that I worked my way> into medicine- first as a > "collector" (don't stone me guys- we never took a> single home away) for 29 > MD's. I then worked into Ophthalmology, and spent> the next 15 yrs doing that > job-- working up to Administrating 21 employees, and> a 7 million dollar practice. > Loved every minute of it! > > We all put money into the State "kitty" and> depending on how the State wants > to run the program-- (we all need to move to FL)> depends on how the programs > work. It's a real lesson to figure out what> direction to go. > > Dept. of Rehabilitation, Dept of Welfare and Human> Resources, Dept. of > Employment, Social Security, MediCaid or> MediCal-which falls under Dept of Welfare > in CA) are all resources that may be of help.> > With SSDI-- when you have been off work due to> illness for 6 consectutive > months-- even if you are getting your State> Disability Insurance or Short-term > Disability from your employer, it's time to start> the paperwork for SSDI. > > SSDI will take over at the 1 year anniversary of> when you went out on > disability. It also pays you retroactively from the> date you started the paperwork. > If there is a difference between what you are> getting from your State > Disability Insurance and what you qualify for from> SSDI-- then you will get that > additional money. > > also, if you start it at the 6 month anniversary--> then if it takes a year or > more to get it approved, then you are that much> closer to getting an income. > > > Many employers have a Short-term disability that> will subsidize your STate > disability, and then transfers to a Long-term> disability if you qualify for > SSDI. This can be anywhere from adding an extra 10%> to matching your SSDI (which > will be 25% of what you are making as a full-time> employee)--so many times you > will still have an income of 50-60% of what you're> making while you where > able to work.> > Talk to your Human Resources person. Each company> is different, and > generally it's the school districts, hospitals, and> union jobs that have these types > of benefits. (MARK THE BOX FOR LONG-TERM BENEFITS> IF IT'S OPEN ENROLLMENT > TIME! YOU MAY NEED IT SOMEDAY!)> > I do hope this helps, and Connie, as always, thank> you for helping clarify > the way things are done in your neck of hte woods!> > Blessings,> Tracie> NS co-owner/moderator> > PS. DO NOT LET THE TIME FRAMES FOR APPEALS LAPSE > FOR DENIED DISABILITY > CLAIMS. IF YOU DO-- YOU HAVE TO START OVER, AND CAN> EASILY LOSE A YEAR OF > RETRO-ACTIVE MONEY!> __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Connie, I'm stillnot getting it. It seems to be oriented more to the people that can still work- at least in some capacity. It does reference WorkComp (on the job injury) rehab, and reorientation for those that lose their jobs via downsizing. I'll have to look at it more indepth. Right now, the brains mush-- so I'll just take your word for it. Thanks Tracie NS co-owner/moderator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 You are right on part of it, they are geared more to people who want to try to go back to work; even if it is only part time, or people who are already employed.///Connietiodaat@... wrote: Connie,I'm stillnot getting it. It seems to be oriented more to the people that can still work- at least in some capacity. It does reference WorkComp (on the job injury) rehab, and reorientation for those that lose their jobs via downsizing. I'll have to look at it more indepth. Right now, the brains mush-- so I'll just take your word for it.ThanksTracieNS co-owner/moderator All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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