PETITION - REINSTATE DEB

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We, the undersigned, request that deb (ciar1) be removed from censored

status and reinstated as a regular member of the group. One of the

primary

purposes of this group is to support it's members through good times and

bad.

If we can't count on one another during the most difficult of times then

that

severely diminishes the group's value. We need to be strong enough in

ourselves to listen to our brothers and sisters when they reach out in

pain without losing ourselves in it.

The other primary purpose of this group is education. New members

deserve

to hear about both positive and negative outcomes of surgery and variety

in

our membership provides this balance. Deb has not only contributed her

experience, but has contributed numerous unbiased educational posts that

have been of great value to all of us. We need to continue to allow her

to

benefit us, as much as we need to continue to bring what each of us has

to offer.

Differences of opinion are not reason enough to shut out our members.

We are a support group, and deb needs and deserves our support.

She is a valuable member of this group and has given a lot to many

members

here. We want her back.

1) erika, eontheedge@...

2) Jill in NY, JKHCC@...

3) Anita, rowanceleste@...

4) Liane French, lilifrench@...

5) rich, quaa714@...

6) joy, joyfrost@...

7) loriann, llist@...

8) ellen, beauby1022050943@...

[Guest guest]

First, the list owner is, I understand, a law student, not an attorney.

Second, the *allegations* of slander do *not* mean that what Deb said would

have been found to be that in a court of law.

Until a judge or jury finds her guilty of libel or slander, it is merely

someone's *opinion* that what she said was indeed such. R, the list

owner, acted as judge and jury and punished Deb before there was any proof

that she had done anything illegal.

Remember " innocent until found guilty " ??

in Seattle

----- Original Message -----

> The list owner decided that her post accusing Dr. Ren of being a butcher

was

> slanderous and this has to do with legal issues. This has to do with her

> legal battles with Dr. Ren and I agree it is not wise to openly slander a

> surgeon by calling them a butcher when one is attempting to sue them for

> malpractice or something of that nature. Why should any of us get

involved

> in that to any capacity? I mentioned before that I was not privy to any

of

[Guest guest]

for anyone wishing to add their name below simply copy and paste this

content into a new message and add your name at the bottom of the list.

then repost it to the list for others to add their names. (to those of

you who wanted to sign prior to posting, sorry if i left you off! i

lost track of some names and didn't want to post them without

confirmation. please add yourself):

We, the undersigned, request that deb (ciar1) be removed from censored

status and reinstated as a regular member of the group. One of the

primary

purposes of this group is to support it's members through good times and

bad.

If we can't count on one another during the most difficult of times then

that

severely diminishes the group's value. We need to be strong enough in

ourselves to listen to our brothers and sisters when they reach out in

pain without losing ourselves in it.

The other primary purpose of this group is education. New members

deserve

to hear about both positive and negative outcomes of surgery and variety

in

our membership provides this balance. Deb has not only contributed her

experience, but has contributed numerous unbiased educational posts that

have been of great value to all of us. We need to continue to allow her

to

benefit us, as much as we need to continue to bring what each of us has

to offer.

Differences of opinion are not reason enough to shut out our members.

We are a support group, and deb needs and deserves our support.

She is a valuable member of this group and has given a lot to many

members

here. We want her back.

1) erika, eontheedge@...

2) Jill in NY, JKHCC@...

3) Anita, rowanceleste@...

4) Liane French, lilifrench@...

5) rich, quaa714@...

6) joy, joyfrost@...

7) loriann, llist@...

8) Pam, pamjams@...