early humans and nuts- article

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http://news.discovery.com/human/human-ancestor-diet-nuts.html

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It's interesting that you posted this, Jodi. I've been wondering recently about what diet humans are actually evolved to eat, because that's probably what we SHOULD eat. We know that our ancestors and relatives like chimps eat mostly greens and fruit, so at one point 'our' digestive systems were meant for that diet. Then we evolved into our own species, and apparently ate a lot of nuts and root veggies. Then we ate meat, and when we discovered fire, we began to cook things. Then grains entered the picture...It's all very interesting to me. I guess the main question is, how far back in evolution do we have to go to find what our digestion is suited for? All these years our diet's been changing rapidly, and our digestion is probably beginning to evolve, but we don't know how far it's evolved. And I guess it's probably another thing that's individual. Ugh. Peace =)Alyssa 15 yoUC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)No meds!

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Alyssa- that is the premise of " life without bread " - the modern era of

agriculture is too recent for us to have evolved enough to manage all the

grains. However, according to this book, we're carnivores.

OT- speaking of carnivores- are you going to see " New Moon " ? I'm taking my 14

year old daughter and her friends---so I can see it too

PJ

>

> It's interesting that you posted this, Jodi. I've been wondering

> recently about what diet humans are actually evolved to eat, because

> that's probably what we SHOULD eat. We know that our ancestors and

> relatives like chimps eat mostly greens and fruit, so at one point

> 'our' digestive systems were meant for that diet. Then we evolved into

> our own species, and apparently ate a lot of nuts and root veggies.

> Then we ate meat, and when we discovered fire, we began to cook

> things. Then grains entered the picture...

>

> It's all very interesting to me. I guess the main question is, how far

> back in evolution do we have to go to find what our digestion is

> suited for? All these years our diet's been changing rapidly, and our

> digestion is probably beginning to evolve, but we don't know how far

> it's evolved.

>

> And I guess it's probably another thing that's individual. Ugh.

> >

>

> Peace =)

> Alyssa 15 yo

> UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

> SCD June 2009 (restarted)

> No meds!

>

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That's the basis of the paleolithic diet. Nuts, meats, some

honey, some fruits (fruits were much smaller originally),

some greens, probably bugs - but forget about that.

Mara

>

>

> It's interesting that you posted this, Jodi. I've been wondering

> recently about what diet humans are actually evolved to eat, because

> that's probably what we SHOULD eat. We know that our ancestors and

> relatives like chimps eat mostly greens and fruit, so at one point

> 'our' digestive systems were meant for that diet. Then we evolved

> into our own species, and apparently ate a lot of nuts and root

> veggies. Then we ate meat, and when we discovered fire, we began to

> cook things. Then grains entered the picture...

>

> It's all very interesting to me. I guess the main question is, how

> far back in evolution do we have to go to find what our digestion is

> suited for? All these years our diet's been changing rapidly, and

> our digestion is probably beginning to evolve, but we don't know how

> far it's evolved.

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Hi Alyssa..

This is a very fascinating subject and very far ranging..

There are species of primates that are vegetarians as well as species that are

carnivores. So depending on your modality each theory can fit in nice and well.

Personally, I ponder the idea of modern agriculture, factory farming and such..

There are theories out there that we should only be eating what we forage

locally. This makes sense to me, as this would mean we would naturally live in

cycle with what the Earth provides. No forcing.

Is this practical? Yeah.. if we lived off the grid. LOL.

I think refrigeration also plays a huge part as that seems to of really shifted

our choices and lifestyle as well. There is actually a hypothesis out there

that Crohn's is created by bacteria that happens due to refrigeration. I don't

know if that is the cause but certainly makes sense that this would contribute

to our dysbiosis situation.

That is why I dig the whole world of fermenting foods and canning.. Pretty

nifty stuff.

Jodi

>

> It's interesting that you posted this, Jodi. I've been wondering

> recently about what diet humans are actually evolved to eat, because

> that's probably what we SHOULD eat. We know that our ancestors and

> relatives like chimps eat mostly greens and fruit, so at one point

> 'our' digestive systems were meant for that diet. Then we evolved into

> our own species, and apparently ate a lot of nuts and root veggies.

> Then we ate meat, and when we discovered fire, we began to cook

> things. Then grains entered the picture...

>

> It's all very interesting to me. I guess the main question is, how far

> back in evolution do we have to go to find what our digestion is

> suited for? All these years our diet's been changing rapidly, and our

> digestion is probably beginning to evolve, but we don't know how far

> it's evolved.

>

> And I guess it's probably another thing that's individual. Ugh.

> >

>

> Peace =)

> Alyssa 15 yo

> UC April 2008, dx Sept 2008

> SCD June 2009 (restarted)

> No meds!

>

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What? Bugs are illegal? Oh darn!

(kidding)

PJ

>

> >

> >

> > It's interesting that you posted this, Jodi. I've been wondering

> > recently about what diet humans are actually evolved to eat, because

> > that's probably what we SHOULD eat. We know that our ancestors and

> > relatives like chimps eat mostly greens and fruit, so at one point

> > 'our' digestive systems were meant for that diet. Then we evolved

> > into our own species, and apparently ate a lot of nuts and root

> > veggies. Then we ate meat, and when we discovered fire, we began to

> > cook things. Then grains entered the picture...

> >

> > It's all very interesting to me. I guess the main question is, how

> > far back in evolution do we have to go to find what our digestion is

> > suited for? All these years our diet's been changing rapidly, and

> > our digestion is probably beginning to evolve, but we don't know how

> > far it's evolved.

>

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PJ-

c'mon admit it.. you've been dying to try those candied locusts now for a

while..

Jodi

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > It's interesting that you posted this, Jodi. I've been wondering

> > > recently about what diet humans are actually evolved to eat, because

> > > that's probably what we SHOULD eat. We know that our ancestors and

> > > relatives like chimps eat mostly greens and fruit, so at one point

> > > 'our' digestive systems were meant for that diet. Then we evolved

> > > into our own species, and apparently ate a lot of nuts and root

> > > veggies. Then we ate meat, and when we discovered fire, we began to

> > > cook things. Then grains entered the picture...

> > >

> > > It's all very interesting to me. I guess the main question is, how

> > > far back in evolution do we have to go to find what our digestion is

> > > suited for? All these years our diet's been changing rapidly, and

> > > our digestion is probably beginning to evolve, but we don't know how

> > > far it's evolved.

> >

>

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only in my dreams LOL-PJ

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > It's interesting that you posted this, Jodi. I've been wondering

> > > > recently about what diet humans are actually evolved to eat, because

> > > > that's probably what we SHOULD eat. We know that our ancestors and

> > > > relatives like chimps eat mostly greens and fruit, so at one point

> > > > 'our' digestive systems were meant for that diet. Then we evolved

> > > > into our own species, and apparently ate a lot of nuts and root

> > > > veggies. Then we ate meat, and when we discovered fire, we began to

> > > > cook things. Then grains entered the picture...

> > > >

> > > > It's all very interesting to me. I guess the main question is, how

> > > > far back in evolution do we have to go to find what our digestion is

> > > > suited for? All these years our diet's been changing rapidly, and

> > > > our digestion is probably beginning to evolve, but we don't know how

> > > > far it's evolved.

> > >

> >

>

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At 05:55 AM 11/20/2009, you wrote:

c'mon admit it.. you've been

dying to try those candied locusts now for a while..

Gingered ants might be interesting.....

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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Marilyn..

Huh.. would that make it SCD legal?

Jodi

> >c'mon admit it.. you've been dying to try those

> >candied locusts now for a while..

>

> Gingered ants might be interesting.....

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

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I don't see why insects would be illegal--they are not starch or sugar, they are protein. They are widely eaten in the non- Western part of the world as a valuable source of protein. As long as they are prepared in proper SCD form, they should be legal.

Terry

Re: early humans and nuts- article

Marilyn..Huh.. would that make it SCD legal?<giggle>Jodi> >c'mon admit it.. you've been dying to try those > >candied locusts now for a while..> > Gingered ants might be interesting.....> > > - Marilyn> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001> Darn Good SCD Cook> No Human Children> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund>

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Thanks for posting – I love reading about our ancestors,

even if they are 4 million years old! That’s a pre-Paleo Diet!

Ummmm…ground nuts…

Carol

From: BTVC-SCD

[mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Jodi

http://news.discovery.com/human/human-ancestor-diet-nuts.html

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If SAD diet caused my UC, why do the people I work with not

have digestive troubles? I have three co workers that only eat microwave

sandwiches, candy, and sugary pop, yet do not suffer like I do.

I ate a lot of grains and pastries before UC and also have a

very stressful job. My GI says otherwise, but I feel my diet and stress

level did have a role in this disease.

I have been on SCD for almost two years and still do not

have found a bread substitute that I like. The almond flower bread found

in BTVC does not appeal to me. Does anyone have a better recipe that

tastes more like wheat flower bread?

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Hi Shaun,

I miss grains too.  However, I found a great substitute that satisfies

me.  You make it as a loaf or as muffins.  You can make it plain, with fruit,

cinnamon and raisin, whatever your favorite is.

I put half and half of either pecan, walnut or cashew flour.  I

have difficulty digesting almonds.

1 ½ cups walnuts

1 ½ cups pecans

*Process till fine and add

4 eggs

½ tsp baking soda

¾ tsp sea salt

2 tbsp water

½ tsp apple cider vinegar

1 ½ tsp cinnamon (optional)

½ to 1 cup of fruit (raisins, blueberries, bananas, etc)

**Blend in this last ingredient so that they don’t get all

chopped up fine in the processor

For bread bake at 350 for 1 hour or till knife comes out clean.

For muffins, bake at 325 for 30 min.

Hope you like it!

SCD 19 mths

From: BTVC-SCD

[mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of kson

Sent: November-20-09 2:48 PM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: RE: early humans and nuts- article

If SAD diet caused my

UC, why do the people I work with not have digestive troubles? I have

three co workers that only eat microwave sandwiches, candy, and sugary pop, yet

do not suffer like I do.

I ate a lot of grains

and pastries before UC and also have a very stressful job. My GI says

otherwise, but I feel my diet and stress level did have a role in this disease.

I have been on SCD

for almost two years and still do not have found a bread substitute that I

like. The almond flower bread found in BTVC does not appeal to me.

Does anyone have a better recipe that tastes more like wheat flower bread?

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I don't think that the SAD " causes " UC, but it doesn't help anything. My 14

year old son was diagnosed with UC over the summer and he's never eaten the SAD.

He was dairy free most of his life before age 11 and had been gluten free for 3

years. We've always eaten very healthy at home. It has to be a combination of

genetic succeptibility and external influences. Your co-workers might not ever

get something like UC, but their bodies will pay somehow for the way that they

eat.

Try this for bread:

4 egg whites,

2 egg yolks

1/2 C Almond or pecan flour

dash of salt

1 tsp butter, softened

1 tsp honey

Beat egg whites until they form soft peaks. Beat egg yolks with the salt,

butter and honey. Carefully sprinkle the almond flour onto the egg whites, pour

on the egg yolk mixture and gently stir until it's all mixed.

Pour onto a parchment paper lined cookie sheet (one with holes in it is best)

and smooth with the back of spoon into a 12 " x 12 " square. Bake at 350 for

about 12 minutes. Slide bread and paper off cookie sheet and onto cooling rack

immediately. This is nice and flexible and makes great wraps or other

sandwiches. We eat it almost daily.

Liz

>

> If SAD diet caused my UC, why do the people I work with not have digestive

> troubles? I have three co workers that only eat microwave sandwiches,

> candy, and sugary pop, yet do not suffer like I do.

>

>

>

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Don't laugh too hard. When I was in college, I had chocolate covered bees

once at a party. Fortunately the ratio of chocolate was very high. I

know, only in college....

Gingered ants might be interesting.....

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At 08:20 AM 11/20/2009, you wrote:

Huh.. would that make it SCD

legal?

Might. Ginger is legal. I confess, I haven't looked into the composition

of ants to find out about polysaccharides in their make-up. But since

insects are used in many parts of the non-western world as a source of

protein, I suspect they would be legal.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

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Terry,

I was thinking more about the 'gingered' or 'candied' part..

maybe with honey? LOL.

Jodi

> > >c'mon admit it.. you've been dying to try those

> > >candied locusts now for a while..

> >

> > Gingered ants might be interesting.....

> >

> >

> > - Marilyn

> > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> > Darn Good SCD Cook

> > No Human Children

> > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Actually I am not grossed out by this stuff.

I'd probably eat anything if I were hungry enough..

Jodi

>

> Don't laugh too hard. When I was in college, I had chocolate covered

> bees once at a party. Fortunately the ratio of chocolate was very

> high. I know, only in college....

>

>

> Gingered ants might be interesting.....

>

[Guest guest]

Well, it doesn't seem fair, does it? However, we all have different

bodies and we all have different weaknesses. Perhaps your

co-workers simply do not have any gut weaknesses and never will, but

maybe they will sometime have other problems than we do. My DH

apparently has a stainless steel gut. He is tall and slim, has

never been an ounce overweight in his life because he watches it very

carefully, and he eats exactly what he pleases, in moderate

amounts. Well, life isn't fair! On the other hand, by

seriously improving our diets to cure and avoid gut troubles, we may also

be warding off other things later.

If SAD diet caused my UC, why do the people I work with not have

digestive

troubles? I have three co workers that only eat microwave

sandwiches,

candy, and sugary pop, yet do not suffer like I do.

[Guest guest]

they'll pay the price..someday - i say that because i lived off sugar never

gained, so why not - lol

and the more i read suzanne somers books breakthrough/knockout- they're headed

for issues - major God--forbid cancers alzheimers - diet really affects

everything - so don't feel why me - be happy you know now and can change your

ways - hard to look at it that way i know, but it helps :-)

eileen 21 months scd

>

> Well, it doesn't seem fair, does it? However, we all have different

> bodies and we all have different weaknesses. Perhaps your co-workers

> simply do not have any gut weaknesses and never will, but maybe they

> will sometime have other problems than we do. My DH apparently has a

> stainless steel gut. He is tall and slim, has never been an ounce

> overweight in his life because he watches it very carefully, and he

> eats exactly what he pleases, in moderate amounts. Well, life isn't

> fair! On the other hand, by seriously improving our diets to cure

> and avoid gut troubles, we may also be warding off other things later.

>

>

> If SAD diet caused my UC, why do the people I work with not have digestive

> troubles? I have three co workers that only eat microwave sandwiches,

> candy, and sugary pop, yet do not suffer like I do.

>

[Guest guest]

Jodi--gingered or 'candied' with honey sounds essential when talking about eating insects! Have you ever seen "Bizarre foods with Zimmern"? In some countries, there is major insect dining----not for me!

Terry

Re: early humans and nuts- article

Terry,I was thinking more about the 'gingered' or 'candied' part..maybe with honey? LOL.Jodi> > >c'mon admit it.. you've been dying to try those > > >candied locusts now for a while..> > > > Gingered ants might be interesting.....> > > > > > - Marilyn> > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA> > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001> > Darn Good SCD Cook> > No Human Children> > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund> >>

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Try this for bread:4 egg whites, 2 egg yolks1/2 C Almond or pecan flourdash of salt1 tsp butter, softened1 tsp honeyBeat egg whites until they form soft peaks. Beat egg yolks with the salt, butter and honey. Carefully sprinkle the almond flour onto the egg whites, pour on the egg yolk mixture and gently stir until it's all mixed.Pour onto a parchment paper lined cookie sheet (one with holes in it is best) and smooth with the back of spoon into a 12" x 12" square. Bake at 350 for about 12 minutes. Slide bread and paper off cookie sheet and onto cooling rack immediately. This is nice and flexible and makes great wraps or other sandwiches. We eat it almost daily.I tried this recipe just now, and have realized something: it's nearly impossible to make pecan flour. How do you guys do it? I used a food processor, and my pecan went directly from being pecan meal to pecan butter. Even when half of it was butter, there were still coarse bits in there. What do I do??? I can't tolerate almond flour, and I REALLLLLYYYYY want a bread I can use =( Peace =)Alyssa 15 yoUC April 2008, dx Sept 2008SCD June 2009 (restarted)No meds!

[Guest guest]

I tried this recipe just now, and have realized something: it's

nearly impossible to make pecan flour. How do you guys do it? I used a

food processor, and my pecan went directly from being pecan meal to

pecan butter. Even when half of it was butter, there were still coarse

bits in there. What do I do??? I can't tolerate almond flour, and I

REALLLLLYYYYY want a bread I can use =(Alyssa,Let the pecan go to nut butter/paste by adding the butter/oil to it when the pecans begin to get creamy. According to Marilyn's souffle bread recipe, you then add this (2 Tbsp of pecan butter) to the egg yolks. Then you whisk this mixture into the stiff egg whites (Marilyn uses 6 egg whites) and salt. I've had great success with this. Whole family agrees it is the best bread ever for sandwiches and we have even considered using it as a base for pesto pizza (haven't done it yet though). I usually just make up pecan butter using pecans and oil (grind the pecans first as far as you can then add the oil) and save it in a jar in the fridge for when I need it. Mixed with extra honey, it makes a great dip with apple slices for a snack for the kids.AmeliaHusband UC 9 yrsMostly SCD 1 year

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I have been making Marilyn’s Souffle Bread which is

similar to the recipe below. Since I do not have a processor I just chop the

pecans til they are in tiny pieces. They are hardly noticeable in the bread at

all.

Carol

From:

BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Alyssa

Luck

Try this for bread:

4 egg whites,

2 egg yolks

1/2 C Almond or pecan flour

dash of salt

1 tsp butter, softened

1 tsp honey

Beat egg whites until they form soft peaks. Beat

egg yolks with the salt, butter and honey. Carefully sprinkle the almond flour

onto the egg whites, pour on the egg yolk mixture and gently stir until it's

all mixed.

Pour onto a parchment paper lined cookie sheet

(one with holes in it is best) and smooth with the back of spoon into a

12 " x 12 " square. Bake at 350 for about 12 minutes. Slide bread and

paper off cookie sheet and onto cooling rack immediately. This is nice and

flexible and makes great wraps or other sandwiches. We eat it almost daily.

I tried this recipe just now, and have realized something:

it's nearly impossible to make pecan flour. How do you guys do it? I used a

food processor, and my pecan went directly from being pecan meal to pecan butter.

Even when half of it was butter, there were still coarse bits in there. What do

I do?