6 week post op...

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Hi all,

I went to my 6 week post op class on Thursday afternoon. My pre-

surgery weight was 237. When I weighed myself on Thursday morning I

was 205. By the time they weighed me at Kaiser at 2pm, I was up to

207.6. I didn't mind at all, I always gain water weight during the

day. I felt great, I look much better and am quite pleased with my

progress. I really have no idea what the others in that class lost.

The panel consisted of Beth and Dr. Fisher.

begins by asking if anyone had any problems....and yes a number

of people had the usual issues with vitamins, proteins etc. Dr.

Fisher was looking through the folders, and listening, not saying

anything until after at least 30 minutes. Then he was quite passive

aggressive and wondered what " they " did ( they meaning the kaiser

group) wrong because this group just hasn't lost enough weight. He

then proceeded to chastise everyone about doing the program wrong.

Okay, some people made some mistakes, like eating yogurt on stage

three. I didn't realize it was such a no-no, but I haven't eaten it

since stage two but others have. I just preferred to eat more food

food. Then we were told that we had to eat two oz meals until we were

12 weeks out, even though the books say 6 weeks. That information is

now outdated and we are supposed to check the website for updates.

I was very upset by the end of this class and couldn't wait to get

out. I really think that I'm doing fine. Am I wrong? Haven't I lost a

good amount? I am working the program the best I can. It's

difficult. The long pre-op period really doesn't train you. That

can't begin until afterwards. Yes, we can practice not drinking with

meals but nothing in our pre-op life can prepare you for this post op

reality. I'm very happy that I did it and in spite of Dr. Fisher (who

was not my doctor) I will continue to do just as I am. I kept

thinking that Dr. Baggs would have been very different at this

meeting.

Thanks for listening, I had to get this off my chest. Has anyone else

ever experienced this from Dr. Fisher?

Maggie

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Hi Maggie

I think you are doing fabulous ! Sorry about the Dr of Doom, maybe you have to understand that the average loss of the room overall was not up to par on his standards, but remember in school when they graded on the curve, well for you hes not doing it on the curve its straigh numbers and maybe you got an A or a B on the exam of weight loss, heck like you said he is NOT your doctor..................... I guess you just have to listen to this stuff sit back and mull it over food for thought kind of a thing...............Be happy it sounds like you are to me !

ColleenMaggie wrote:

Hi all,I went to my 6 week post op class on Thursday afternoon. My pre-surgery weight was 237. When I weighed myself on Thursday morning I was 205. By the time they weighed me at Kaiser at 2pm, I was up to 207.6. I didn't mind at all, I always gain water weight during the day. I felt great, I look much better and am quite pleased with my progress. I really have no idea what the others in that class lost.The panel consisted of Beth and Dr. Fisher. begins by asking if anyone had any problems....and yes a number of people had the usual issues with vitamins, proteins etc. Dr. Fisher was looking through the folders, and listening, not saying anything until after at least 30 minutes. Then he was quite passive aggressive and wondered what "they" did ( they meaning the kaiser group) wrong because this group just hasn't lost

enough weight. He then proceeded to chastise everyone about doing the program wrong. Okay, some people made some mistakes, like eating yogurt on stage three. I didn't realize it was such a no-no, but I haven't eaten it since stage two but others have. I just preferred to eat more food food. Then we were told that we had to eat two oz meals until we were 12 weeks out, even though the books say 6 weeks. That information is now outdated and we are supposed to check the website for updates.I was very upset by the end of this class and couldn't wait to get out. I really think that I'm doing fine. Am I wrong? Haven't I lost a good amount? I am working the program the best I can. It's difficult. The long pre-op period really doesn't train you. That can't begin until afterwards. Yes, we can practice not drinking with meals but nothing in our pre-op life can prepare you for this post op reality. I'm very happy that I did it and in spite

of Dr. Fisher (who was not my doctor) I will continue to do just as I am. I kept thinking that Dr. Baggs would have been very different at this meeting.Thanks for listening, I had to get this off my chest. Has anyone else ever experienced this from Dr. Fisher?Maggie

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Dr. Fisher is a really nice man, so if he was that frustrated, perhaps people hadn't lost much weight at all. I think you are doing fine, though. Your weight (which was my weight at surgery, pretty much) was the same at 6 weeks as mine, I think. I was down just about 30 lbs.

I doubt that he was referencing you. Also, maybe his statistics have changed a bit, because Kaiser is letting in more people who are just at 40 BMI, and so they lose a little less dramatically. Finally, the fact is, because we have to lose 10% beforehand, we've already lost the "water weight" that others lose, and so maybe our numbers aren't as dramatic.

I am weighing 187. I started the program at 261.5, and the surgery at 235.5. So, I'm very close to having lost 50 lbs at 11 weeks.

I didn't realize we weren't supposed to eat yoghurt now, at the 3rd stage. I don't eat it often, but eggs don't work well with me, and I feel kind of limited when it comes to figuring out something for breakfast...since they are anti-protein shakes and I can't eat eggs. I usually sprinkle protein powder on the yoghurt nowadays, to up the protein. Or I eat a protein bar (since they seem to prefer that.)

Dr. Fisher's wife is very ill, and I think he's probably pretty bummed out...so that could be what is going on. We really wants people to succeed.

But, in the end...perhaps some of the folks were really not doing well with their weightloss. As I said, I seriously doubt that you were one of the ones he was concerned about. When I met with Dr. Baggs and asked how my rate of weightloss seemed to be on a comparative basis, he said I was losing weight a little more quickly than he had expected, given my lower starting weight.

So, don't be bummed out.

Robynn

Maggie wrote:

Hi all,I went to my 6 week post op class on Thursday afternoon. My pre-surgery weight was 237. When I weighed myself on Thursday morning I was 205. By the time they weighed me at Kaiser at 2pm, I was up to 207.6. I didn't mind at all, I always gain water weight during the day. I felt great, I look much better and am quite pleased with my progress. I really have no idea what the others in that class lost.The panel consisted of Beth and Dr. Fisher. begins by asking if anyone had any problems....and yes a number of people had the usual issues with vitamins, proteins etc. Dr. Fisher was looking through the folders, and listening, not saying anything until after at least 30 minutes. Then he was quite passive aggressive and wondered what "they" did ( they meaning the kaiser group) wrong because this group just hasn't lost

enough weight. He then proceeded to chastise everyone about doing the program wrong. Okay, some people made some mistakes, like eating yogurt on stage three. I didn't realize it was such a no-no, but I haven't eaten it since stage two but others have. I just preferred to eat more food food. Then we were told that we had to eat two oz meals until we were 12 weeks out, even though the books say 6 weeks. That information is now outdated and we are supposed to check the website for updates.I was very upset by the end of this class and couldn't wait to get out. I really think that I'm doing fine. Am I wrong? Haven't I lost a good amount? I am working the program the best I can. It's difficult. The long pre-op period really doesn't train you. That can't begin until afterwards. Yes, we can practice not drinking with meals but nothing in our pre-op life can prepare you for this post op reality. I'm very happy that I did it and in

spite of Dr. Fisher (who was not my doctor) I will continue to do just as I am. I kept thinking that Dr. Baggs would have been very different at this meeting.Thanks for listening, I had to get this off my chest. Has anyone else ever experienced this from Dr. Fisher?Maggie

[Guest guest]

HI Maggie

Dr Fisher is a wonderful doctor and has always been nothing but

pleasant with me. That being said though, he is very strict...he

wants to see us succeed. Perhaps he is upset because so many of us

after the honeymoon period are beginning to do shakes. He is very

against them. He feels they are high calorie and do not help us. Im

struggling with following his recommendations and the fact I feel

less hungry and have more energy using them.

Huggles

> Hi all,

> I went to my 6 week post op class on Thursday afternoon. My pre-

> surgery weight was 237. When I weighed myself on Thursday morning

I

> was 205. By the time they weighed me at Kaiser at 2pm, I was up to

> 207.6. I didn't mind at all, I always gain water weight during the

> day. I felt great, I look much better and am quite pleased with my

> progress. I really have no idea what the others in that class lost.

> The panel consisted of Beth and Dr. Fisher.

> begins by asking if anyone had any problems....and yes a

number

> of people had the usual issues with vitamins, proteins etc. Dr.

> Fisher was looking through the folders, and listening, not saying

> anything until after at least 30 minutes. Then he was quite

passive

> aggressive and wondered what " they " did ( they meaning the kaiser

> group) wrong because this group just hasn't lost enough weight. He

> then proceeded to chastise everyone about doing the program wrong.

> Okay, some people made some mistakes, like eating yogurt on stage

> three. I didn't realize it was such a no-no, but I haven't eaten

it

> since stage two but others have. I just preferred to eat more food

> food. Then we were told that we had to eat two oz meals until we

were

> 12 weeks out, even though the books say 6 weeks. That information

is

> now outdated and we are supposed to check the website for updates.

> I was very upset by the end of this class and couldn't wait to get

> out. I really think that I'm doing fine. Am I wrong? Haven't I

lost a

> good amount? I am working the program the best I can. It's

> difficult. The long pre-op period really doesn't train you. That

> can't begin until afterwards. Yes, we can practice not drinking

with

> meals but nothing in our pre-op life can prepare you for this post

op

> reality. I'm very happy that I did it and in spite of Dr. Fisher

(who

> was not my doctor) I will continue to do just as I am. I kept

> thinking that Dr. Baggs would have been very different at this

> meeting.

> Thanks for listening, I had to get this off my chest. Has anyone

else

> ever experienced this from Dr. Fisher?

> Maggie

[Guest guest]

Well thanks, Colleen, Robynn and !

I really do feel better now although I was feeling great in spite of

what happened.

I too, struggle with the whole shakes idea...even though I really have

no problem with any foods. Well maybe I don't feel like eating eggs in

the am either but I find that I have no problem with hard boiled eggs.

I haven't made any shakes but I worry about not getting enough

protein...especially if I have to continue eating stage three for

another 6 weeks and 2 oz potions at that. I had already tried eating

small salads and they were great, went down easy and was so nice to

crunch but then they said to stay on stage three,,, oh well!

Maggie

[Guest guest]

Maggie, Dr. Baggs if very different and I am so glad

he along with Dr. Park performed my surgery and I was

fortunate to have him for all fo my apts. except my

last one (6 month apt.). On a flip side, Dr. Fisher

was very please and surprised with all the weight my

group had lost. He is a man that lacks tolerance and

that is not such a bad thing. It helps keep you

focused so I can't be upset with the man. It just

keeps me pressing towards the mark.

Continue to do what you know is helping you to lose.

You are the only one that knows your body better than

anyone else just so long as you follow the rules of

what you should be eating and you are losing then I

say go for it.

I wish you much success.

Pam Marsh

--- Maggie mara1331@...> wrote:

> Hi all,

> I went to my 6 week post op class on Thursday

> afternoon. My pre-

> surgery weight was 237. When I weighed myself on

> Thursday morning I

> was 205. By the time they weighed me at Kaiser at

> 2pm, I was up to

> 207.6. I didn't mind at all, I always gain water

> weight during the

> day. I felt great, I look much better and am quite

> pleased with my

> progress. I really have no idea what the others in

> that class lost.

> The panel consisted of Beth and Dr. Fisher.

> begins by asking if anyone had any

> problems....and yes a number

> of people had the usual issues with vitamins,

> proteins etc. Dr.

> Fisher was looking through the folders, and

> listening, not saying

> anything until after at least 30 minutes. Then he

> was quite passive

> aggressive and wondered what " they " did ( they

> meaning the kaiser

> group) wrong because this group just hasn't lost

> enough weight. He

> then proceeded to chastise everyone about doing the

> program wrong.

> Okay, some people made some mistakes, like eating

> yogurt on stage

> three. I didn't realize it was such a no-no, but I

> haven't eaten it

> since stage two but others have. I just preferred to

> eat more food

> food. Then we were told that we had to eat two oz

> meals until we were

> 12 weeks out, even though the books say 6 weeks.

> That information is

> now outdated and we are supposed to check the

> website for updates.

> I was very upset by the end of this class and

> couldn't wait to get

> out. I really think that I'm doing fine. Am I wrong?

> Haven't I lost a

> good amount? I am working the program the best I

> can. It's

> difficult. The long pre-op period really doesn't

> train you. That

> can't begin until afterwards. Yes, we can practice

> not drinking with

> meals but nothing in our pre-op life can prepare you

> for this post op

> reality. I'm very happy that I did it and in spite

> of Dr. Fisher (who

> was not my doctor) I will continue to do just as I

> am. I kept

> thinking that Dr. Baggs would have been very

> different at this

> meeting.

> Thanks for listening, I had to get this off my

> chest. Has anyone else

> ever experienced this from Dr. Fisher?

> Maggie

>

>

>

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Hi Maggie,

I had the surgery here in Germany and my doctor said that it was okay to eat yogurt. As a matter of fact, I have been eating soups, shakes, yogurt, jello and recently added cottage cheese. 100 grams is 16 grams of protein and I really dont like the shakes all that much. Now I can drink 1 shake and then at night I can eat some cottage cheese. I had the surgery Aug 9th and have lost 11 lbs the first week and have lost another 10 since. Of course I was almost 300 to start but I feel better in my clothes as they fit loosely now.

I will be seeing the doctor soon (16 Sep) for my checkup. Feel good about your losses (weight). You are doing great. Keep up the good work. Everyone loses weight in their own time and a doctor can not project where we (individual) should be. He can only guesstimate.

My friend who had the surgery 2 years ago, told me that she didnt lose weight for 3 months and then suddenly it just dropped off. She was 289 lbs and today she is 127 lbs. She doesnt even exercise but she does watch her food intakes. And as Pam said "You are the only one that knows your body better than anyone else."

Take care,

--- Maggie wrote:> Hi all,> I went to my 6 week post op class on Thursday> afternoon. My pre-> surgery weight was 237. When I weighed myself on> Thursday morning I > was 205. By the time they weighed me at Kaiser at> 2pm, I was up to > 207.6. I didn't mind at all, I always gain water> weight during the > day. I felt great, I look much better and am quite> pleased with my > progress. I really have no idea what the others in> that class lost.> The panel consisted of Beth and Dr. Fisher. > begins by asking if anyone had any> problems....and yes a number > of people had the usual issues with vitamins,> proteins etc. Dr. > Fisher was looking through the folders, and> listening, not saying > anything until after at least 30 minutes. Then he> was quite passive > aggressive and

wondered what "they" did ( they> meaning the kaiser > group) wrong because this group just hasn't lost> enough weight. He > then proceeded to chastise everyone about doing the> program wrong. > Okay, some people made some mistakes, like eating> yogurt on stage > three. I didn't realize it was such a no-no, but I> haven't eaten it > since stage two but others have. I just preferred to> eat more food > food. Then we were told that we had to eat two oz> meals until we were > 12 weeks out, even though the books say 6 weeks.> That information is > now outdated and we are supposed to check the> website for updates.> I was very upset by the end of this class and> couldn't wait to get > out. I really think that I'm doing fine. Am I wrong?> Haven't I lost a > good amount? I am working the program the best I> can. It's >

difficult. The long pre-op period really doesn't> train you. That > can't begin until afterwards. Yes, we can practice> not drinking with > meals but nothing in our pre-op life can prepare you> for this post op > reality. I'm very happy that I did it and in spite> of Dr. Fisher (who > was not my doctor) I will continue to do just as I> am. I kept > thinking that Dr. Baggs would have been very> different at this > meeting.> Thanks for listening, I had to get this off my> chest. Has anyone else > ever experienced this from Dr. Fisher?> Maggie> > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail