Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Okay, I went to se my Pshycologist, told home I was going to ask my Dr. about the surgery. His answer to me was "I don't think you need it". He asked "not wanting to be to invasive, how much do you weigh." My answer to him was that I am 100 lbs over weight, okay I will put in your chart that you are of sound mind to make this decision. Thank you and I left. I had another appt. this past week with the uroligist, "I see in your chart you want gastric bypass, well I don't think you weigh enough" can I ask.... Don't these Dr.'s understand that just because I can hide my fat ass and thighs that I am still overweight and that I would not of started this process if I hadn't researched this alot!!!! Any way I just had to complain. SORRY! I do have co-morid I think, degenerative disc' in my back. Sleep apnea but its not very high, althoug I did have the test 30lbs. ago. Blood test just revealed pre-diabetic. by the way I am female Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 , Hi...I can totally relate. I go to the support group meetings and the speaker always looks at me when she starts asking people who have had the surgery to come up and talk. I am 125lbs overweight....I guess I hide it to, but I can sure feel it. I have also done tons of research and I am ready. I go see the surgeon tomorrow. I have done everything that Kaiser has required, now it is up to the surgeon to see what he requires. Good luck on your journey. Patty Riverside Hunt wrote: Okay, I went to se my Pshycologist, told home I was going to ask my Dr. about the surgery. His answer to me was "I don't think you need it". He asked "not wanting to be to invasive, how much do you weigh." My answer to him was that I am 100 lbs over weight, okay I will put in your chart that you are of sound mind to make this decision. Thank you and I left. I had another appt. this past week with the uroligist, "I see in your chart you want gastric bypass, well I don't think you weigh enough" can I ask.... Don't these Dr.'s understand that just because I can hide my fat ass and thighs that I am still overweight and that I would not of started this process if I hadn't researched this alot!!!! Any way I just had to complain. SORRY! I do have co-morid I think, degenerative disc' in my back. Sleep apnea but its not very high, althoug I did have the test 30lbs. ago. Blood test just revealed pre-diabetic. by the way I am female Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 But, you guys...the reality is that Kaiser is opening up their doors more for people like us. I mean, why wait until we hit a BMI of 48 or 50 to get started on this journey, really? When I spoke about Dr. Fisher and his expectations...and about the fact that there are probably more people now who are "just 40" (and in the world of morbid obesity, a 40 BMI is not very high compared to some of the folks on the board who are struggling with weights about 350 or so)...I was talking about the fact that if you have the surgery and you weight 400 lbs...you require more calories to maintain that weight than somebody who weighs 250. Thus, when the 400 lb person begins on their post-surgical mandatory portion control (because of small tummies), OF COURSE they are going to lose more quickly than somebody who weighs less. That's just the way it goes. But, that doesn't mean that somebody with a lower BMI isn't also going to be successful..and get down to a completely normal weight. The reason that they don't generally operate on somebody with a lower BMI is that there is considerable risk involved with the surgery. For complications, and even death. Thus, they need to weigh the comparable risk of the surgery and its aftermath, to the risk of you being overweight. With somebody who has a BMI of 50 or above, the math is pretty simple: it's a surgery that is really necessary to save their lives. But, somebody who is 100 lbs. overweight, though well on their way to being in serious danger due to their health...are still potentially within a weight range where if they lose 20 to 30 lbs., they will seriously decrease their risk of long-term problems. So, they look for some kind of indicator that your particular body cannot handle the extra weight in a healthy way...and thus, in YOUR case, the surgery is justified. In my case, as I've said, it was sleep apnea and hyperinsulinimia (caused by Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome.) And that was enough to justify the risk. RobynnPatty wrote: , Hi...I can totally relate. I go to the support group meetings and the speaker always looks at me when she starts asking people who have had the surgery to come up and talk. I am 125lbs overweight....I guess I hide it to, but I can sure feel it. I have also done tons of research and I am ready. I go see the surgeon tomorrow. I have done everything that Kaiser has required, now it is up to the surgeon to see what he requires. Good luck on your journey. Patty Riverside Hunt wrote: Okay, I went to se my Pshycologist, told home I was going to ask my Dr. about the surgery. His answer to me was "I don't think you need it". He asked "not wanting to be to invasive, how much do you weigh." My answer to him was that I am 100 lbs over weight, okay I will put in your chart that you are of sound mind to make this decision. Thank you and I left. I had another appt. this past week with the uroligist, "I see in your chart you want gastric bypass, well I don't think you weigh enough" can I ask.... Don't these Dr.'s understand that just because I can hide my fat ass and thighs that I am still overweight and that I would not of started this process if I hadn't researched this alot!!!! Any way I just had to complain. SORRY! I do have co-morid I think, degenerative disc' in my back. Sleep apnea but its not very high, althoug I did have the test 30lbs. ago. Blood test just revealed pre-diabetic. by the way I am female Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 I apoligize very senssitive today! Got a Bad look at myself in the mirror yesterday, I am much bigger than I thought !! SOOOOOOOOOOO please accept my apoligies!! Robynn VanPatten wrote: But, you guys...the reality is that Kaiser is opening up their doors more for people like us. I mean, why wait until we hit a BMI of 48 or 50 to get started on this journey, really? When I spoke about Dr. Fisher and his expectations...and about the fact that there are probably more people now who are "just 40" (and in the world of morbid obesity, a 40 BMI is not very high compared to some of the folks on the board who are struggling with weights about 350 or so)...I was talking about the fact that if you have the surgery and you weight 400 lbs...you require more calories to maintain that weight than somebody who weighs 250. Thus, when the 400 lb person begins on their post-surgical mandatory portion control (because of small tummies), OF COURSE they are going to lose more quickly than somebody who weighs less. That's just the way it goes. But, that doesn't mean that somebody with a lower BMI isn't also going to be successful..and get down to a completely normal weight. The reason that they don't generally operate on somebody with a lower BMI is that there is considerable risk involved with the surgery. For complications, and even death. Thus, they need to weigh the comparable risk of the surgery and its aftermath, to the risk of you being overweight. With somebody who has a BMI of 50 or above, the math is pretty simple: it's a surgery that is really necessary to save their lives. But, somebody who is 100 lbs. overweight, though well on their way to being in serious danger due to their health...are still potentially within a weight range where if they lose 20 to 30 lbs., they will seriously decrease their risk of long-term problems. So, they look for some kind of indicator that your particular body cannot handle the extra weight in a healthy way...and thus, in YOUR case, the surgery is justified. In my case, as I've said, it was sleep apnea and hyperinsulinimia (caused by Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome.) And that was enough to justify the risk. RobynnPatty wrote: , Hi...I can totally relate. I go to the support group meetings and the speaker always looks at me when she starts asking people who have had the surgery to come up and talk. I am 125lbs overweight....I guess I hide it to, but I can sure feel it. I have also done tons of research and I am ready. I go see the surgeon tomorrow. I have done everything that Kaiser has required, now it is up to the surgeon to see what he requires. Good luck on your journey. Patty Riverside Hunt wrote: Okay, I went to se my Pshycologist, told home I was going to ask my Dr. about the surgery. His answer to me was "I don't think you need it". He asked "not wanting to be to invasive, how much do you weigh." My answer to him was that I am 100 lbs over weight, okay I will put in your chart that you are of sound mind to make this decision. Thank you and I left. I had another appt. this past week with the uroligist, "I see in your chart you want gastric bypass, well I don't think you weigh enough" can I ask.... Don't these Dr.'s understand that just because I can hide my fat ass and thighs that I am still overweight and that I would not of started this process if I hadn't researched this alot!!!! Any way I just had to complain. SORRY! I do have co-morid I think, degenerative disc' in my back. Sleep apnea but its not very high, althoug I did have the test 30lbs. ago. Blood test just revealed pre-diabetic. by the way I am female Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 It sucks, I know. But, here's the thing: just don't give up on getting approved. You probably WILL be approved, so keep the faith. Here's the happy news: once you are approved and get in for an orientation (if you are with Richmond), you'll be weighed in and you can start losing weight right away to meet your 10 percent goal. If you are at Fremont, they look at the highest weight recorded in recent history on your medical chart, so you can begin losing weight immediately if you discover that you are being assigned to Fremont. SSF is a bit different, but I think they look at your weight at time of referral. It was SOOOOO tough to wait to hear, but the actual acceptance came relatively quickly (like within less than two weeks as I recall). My doctor e-mailed me and told me before the letter even got to me. I was approved in late December , had orientation in January, did my other classes...and then had the surgery June 8th. It would have been even sooner had I been able to get a handle on the 26.5 lbs I had to lose. But, it took what it took, you know? So, I was at 235.5 at point of surgery, and I'm at 187 right now, just eleven weeks post surgery. I already look pretty good...wearing size 12. I have 42 more lbs. to go to get to my doctor's goal for me...52 to get to my own goal. The thing is, you will be changing the way you look from the moment you take on the challenge. And what a great motivator for losing that 10 percent! This surgery. But, in the meantime, educate yourself. There is a link off of BariatricAdvantage.com (these are the vitamins many of us take, and that Kaiser recommends) with books that you can buy...like the Success habits of WLS patients. These are very useful. I just got a bunch of the books, and I'm learning stuff I didn't know. I want to be a success...a long term success. i want to get to goal and stay at goal for the rest of my life. Some people don't get there. Some people regain the weight. Given that I've done this rather extreme thing to my body, I want to be DARNED sure that I'm going to be a success. So, use your time wisely. Read these books. Start employing some of the principles that they suggest NOW so that by the time you have your surgery, it will be old hat for you. You'll get there. Just have faith and a bit of patience. I know we want the weight gone NOW, but how long have you been struggling with weight? The point is, time will pass either way. But you can choose how to use this passing time. Start an exercise program. Start drinking more water. Start eating meals without drinking anything for 15 minutes before the meal, and an hour afterwards. Start taking vitamin supplements, so that you'll be in good health. Start doing some emotional work, and thinking about why it is that you maybe use food as an emotional crutch. This is all very valuable work, and you need to do it at some point. You may as well do it now. And then, if on the very off chance you are not approved, you will still be incorporating some very positive habits in your life that will help you deal with this weight problem. Good luck!Robynn Hunt wrote: I apoligize very senssitive today! Got a Bad look at myself in the mirror yesterday, I am much bigger than I thought !! SOOOOOOOOOOO please accept my apoligies!! Robynn VanPatten wrote: But, you guys...the reality is that Kaiser is opening up their doors more for people like us. I mean, why wait until we hit a BMI of 48 or 50 to get started on this journey, really? When I spoke about Dr. Fisher and his expectations...and about the fact that there are probably more people now who are "just 40" (and in the world of morbid obesity, a 40 BMI is not very high compared to some of the folks on the board who are struggling with weights about 350 or so)...I was talking about the fact that if you have the surgery and you weight 400 lbs...you require more calories to maintain that weight than somebody who weighs 250. Thus, when the 400 lb person begins on their post-surgical mandatory portion control (because of small tummies), OF COURSE they are going to lose more quickly than somebody who weighs less. That's just the way it goes. But, that doesn't mean that somebody with a lower BMI isn't also going to be successful..and get down to a completely normal weight. The reason that they don't generally operate on somebody with a lower BMI is that there is considerable risk involved with the surgery. For complications, and even death. Thus, they need to weigh the comparable risk of the surgery and its aftermath, to the risk of you being overweight. With somebody who has a BMI of 50 or above, the math is pretty simple: it's a surgery that is really necessary to save their lives. But, somebody who is 100 lbs. overweight, though well on their way to being in serious danger due to their health...are still potentially within a weight range where if they lose 20 to 30 lbs., they will seriously decrease their risk of long-term problems. So, they look for some kind of indicator that your particular body cannot handle the extra weight in a healthy way...and thus, in YOUR case, the surgery is justified. In my case, as I've said, it was sleep apnea and hyperinsulinimia (caused by Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome.) And that was enough to justify the risk. RobynnPatty wrote: , Hi...I can totally relate. I go to the support group meetings and the speaker always looks at me when she starts asking people who have had the surgery to come up and talk. I am 125lbs overweight....I guess I hide it to, but I can sure feel it. I have also done tons of research and I am ready. I go see the surgeon tomorrow. I have done everything that Kaiser has required, now it is up to the surgeon to see what he requires. Good luck on your journey. Patty Riverside Hunt wrote: Okay, I went to se my Pshycologist, told home I was going to ask my Dr. about the surgery. His answer to me was "I don't think you need it". He asked "not wanting to be to invasive, how much do you weigh." My answer to him was that I am 100 lbs over weight, okay I will put in your chart that you are of sound mind to make this decision. Thank you and I left. I had another appt. this past week with the uroligist, "I see in your chart you want gastric bypass, well I don't think you weigh enough" can I ask.... Don't these Dr.'s understand that just because I can hide my fat ass and thighs that I am still overweight and that I would not of started this process if I hadn't researched this alot!!!! Any way I just had to complain. SORRY! I do have co-morid I think, degenerative disc' in my back. Sleep apnea but its not very high, althoug I did have the test 30lbs. ago. Blood test just revealed pre-diabetic. by the way I am female Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2005 Report Share Posted August 28, 2005 Thank you! I can go to bed tonight feeling better! I will wait and I will succeed! Robynn VanPatten wrote: It sucks, I know. But, here's the thing: just don't give up on getting approved. You probably WILL be approved, so keep the faith. Here's the happy news: once you are approved and get in for an orientation (if you are with Richmond), you'll be weighed in and you can start losing weight right away to meet your 10 percent goal. If you are at Fremont, they look at the highest weight recorded in recent history on your medical chart, so you can begin losing weight immediately if you discover that you are being assigned to Fremont. SSF is a bit different, but I think they look at your weight at time of referral. It was SOOOOO tough to wait to hear, but the actual acceptance came relatively quickly (like within less than two weeks as I recall). My doctor e-mailed me and told me before the letter even got to me. I was approved in late December , had orientation in January, did my other classes...and then had the surgery June 8th. It would have been even sooner had I been able to get a handle on the 26.5 lbs I had to lose. But, it took what it took, you know? So, I was at 235.5 at point of surgery, and I'm at 187 right now, just eleven weeks post surgery. I already look pretty good...wearing size 12. I have 42 more lbs. to go to get to my doctor's goal for me...52 to get to my own goal. The thing is, you will be changing the way you look from the moment you take on the challenge. And what a great motivator for losing that 10 percent! This surgery. But, in the meantime, educate yourself. There is a link off of BariatricAdvantage.com (these are the vitamins many of us take, and that Kaiser recommends) with books that you can buy...like the Success habits of WLS patients. These are very useful. I just got a bunch of the books, and I'm learning stuff I didn't know. I want to be a success...a long term success. i want to get to goal and stay at goal for the rest of my life. Some people don't get there. Some people regain the weight. Given that I've done this rather extreme thing to my body, I want to be DARNED sure that I'm going to be a success. So, use your time wisely. Read these books. Start employing some of the principles that they suggest NOW so that by the time you have your surgery, it will be old hat for you. You'll get there. Just have faith and a bit of patience. I know we want the weight gone NOW, but how long have you been struggling with weight? The point is, time will pass either way. But you can choose how to use this passing time. Start an exercise program. Start drinking more water. Start eating meals without drinking anything for 15 minutes before the meal, and an hour afterwards. Start taking vitamin supplements, so that you'll be in good health. Start doing some emotional work, and thinking about why it is that you maybe use food as an emotional crutch. This is all very valuable work, and you need to do it at some point. You may as well do it now. And then, if on the very off chance you are not approved, you will still be incorporating some very positive habits in your life that will help you deal with this weight problem. Good luck!Robynn Hunt wrote: I apoligize very senssitive today! Got a Bad look at myself in the mirror yesterday, I am much bigger than I thought !! SOOOOOOOOOOO please accept my apoligies!! Robynn VanPatten wrote: But, you guys...the reality is that Kaiser is opening up their doors more for people like us. I mean, why wait until we hit a BMI of 48 or 50 to get started on this journey, really? When I spoke about Dr. Fisher and his expectations...and about the fact that there are probably more people now who are "just 40" (and in the world of morbid obesity, a 40 BMI is not very high compared to some of the folks on the board who are struggling with weights about 350 or so)...I was talking about the fact that if you have the surgery and you weight 400 lbs...you require more calories to maintain that weight than somebody who weighs 250. Thus, when the 400 lb person begins on their post-surgical mandatory portion control (because of small tummies), OF COURSE they are going to lose more quickly than somebody who weighs less. That's just the way it goes. But, that doesn't mean that somebody with a lower BMI isn't also going to be successful..and get down to a completely normal weight. The reason that they don't generally operate on somebody with a lower BMI is that there is considerable risk involved with the surgery. For complications, and even death. Thus, they need to weigh the comparable risk of the surgery and its aftermath, to the risk of you being overweight. With somebody who has a BMI of 50 or above, the math is pretty simple: it's a surgery that is really necessary to save their lives. But, somebody who is 100 lbs. overweight, though well on their way to being in serious danger due to their health...are still potentially within a weight range where if they lose 20 to 30 lbs., they will seriously decrease their risk of long-term problems. So, they look for some kind of indicator that your particular body cannot handle the extra weight in a healthy way...and thus, in YOUR case, the surgery is justified. In my case, as I've said, it was sleep apnea and hyperinsulinimia (caused by Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome.) And that was enough to justify the risk. RobynnPatty wrote: , Hi...I can totally relate. I go to the support group meetings and the speaker always looks at me when she starts asking people who have had the surgery to come up and talk. I am 125lbs overweight....I guess I hide it to, but I can sure feel it. I have also done tons of research and I am ready. I go see the surgeon tomorrow. I have done everything that Kaiser has required, now it is up to the surgeon to see what he requires. Good luck on your journey. Patty Riverside Hunt wrote: Okay, I went to se my Pshycologist, told home I was going to ask my Dr. about the surgery. His answer to me was "I don't think you need it". He asked "not wanting to be to invasive, how much do you weigh." My answer to him was that I am 100 lbs over weight, okay I will put in your chart that you are of sound mind to make this decision. Thank you and I left. I had another appt. this past week with the uroligist, "I see in your chart you want gastric bypass, well I don't think you weigh enough" can I ask.... Don't these Dr.'s understand that just because I can hide my fat ass and thighs that I am still overweight and that I would not of started this process if I hadn't researched this alot!!!! Any way I just had to complain. SORRY! I do have co-morid I think, degenerative disc' in my back. Sleep apnea but its not very high, althoug I did have the test 30lbs. ago. Blood test just revealed pre-diabetic. by the way I am female Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Hi , I too am in the same range as you as I weigh about 250 and I am 5'4"and it was made clear to me that I must have comorbidities. The thing with me is I have more than 2 comorbidities, arthritis, borderline diabetic, infertility, back problems, and asthma. and even then my original PCP told me to try to lose the weight myself. So I kept putting off asking for a referral anymore due to my PCP. After all that I decided to change PCP and was seen by another PCP and a specialist and he referred me because of my health problems. I also was not able to get pregnant so this was a playing factor. So in a nut shell, I really think that it depends on the doctor (PCP) that you are seeing and how much you stay on top of it. I hope this helps...Just be ready for a long process. But remember it is all worth it. You learn so much through this long process. Maridiana Approved 7/22/05 Waiting for the next step-Orientation Hunt wrote: Okay, I went to se my Pshycologist, told home I was going to ask my Dr. about the surgery. His answer to me was "I don't think you need it". He asked "not wanting to be to invasive, how much do you weigh." My answer to him was that I am 100 lbs over weight, okay I will put in your chart that you are of sound mind to make this decision. Thank you and I left. I had another appt. this past week with the uroligist, "I see in your chart you want gastric bypass, well I don't think you weigh enough" can I ask.... Don't these Dr.'s understand that just because I can hide my fat ass and thighs that I am still overweight and that I would not of started this process if I hadn't researched this alot!!!! Any way I just had to complain. SORRY! I do have co-morid I think, degenerative disc' in my back. Sleep apnea but its not very high, althoug I did have the test 30lbs. ago. Blood test just revealed pre-diabetic. by the way I am female ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Maridiana Saucedo Goddess (hehehe) (Cell) maridianas@... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Happiness keeps You Sweet, Trials keep You Strong, Sorrows keep You Human,Failures keeps You Humble, Success keeps You Glowing, But Only God keeps You Going!__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 I also am PCOS and that is where most of my comorbidities came into the picture. Again the infertility, weight gain and borderline diabetic issues where a huge problem for me as well as the arthritis and back problems. I think that it is getting a bit easier if your BMI is in the 40 range. But I do think that you may have to keep on top of it more because some of the doctors feel that you can lose the weight yourself. By the way, When I went to my Pshycological Eval. the doctor told me that I carry my weight well. He was kind of surprised at why I wanted the surgery. Once I started naming off all the health issues I have, he understood why it was important to me. MaridianaRobynn VanPatten wrote: But, you guys...the reality is that Kaiser is opening up their doors more for people like us. I mean, why wait until we hit a BMI of 48 or 50 to get started on this journey, really? When I spoke about Dr. Fisher and his expectations...and about the fact that there are probably more people now who are "just 40" (and in the world of morbid obesity, a 40 BMI is not very high compared to some of the folks on the board who are struggling with weights about 350 or so)...I was talking about the fact that if you have the surgery and you weight 400 lbs...you require more calories to maintain that weight than somebody who weighs 250. Thus, when the 400 lb person begins on their post-surgical mandatory portion control (because of small tummies), OF COURSE they are going to lose more quickly than somebody who weighs less. That's just the way it goes. But, that doesn't mean that somebody with a lower BMI isn't also going to be successful..and get down to a completely normal weight. The reason that they don't generally operate on somebody with a lower BMI is that there is considerable risk involved with the surgery. For complications, and even death. Thus, they need to weigh the comparable risk of the surgery and its aftermath, to the risk of you being overweight. With somebody who has a BMI of 50 or above, the math is pretty simple: it's a surgery that is really necessary to save their lives. But, somebody who is 100 lbs. overweight, though well on their way to being in serious danger due to their health...are still potentially within a weight range where if they lose 20 to 30 lbs., they will seriously decrease their risk of long-term problems. So, they look for some kind of indicator that your particular body cannot handle the extra weight in a healthy way...and thus, in YOUR case, the surgery is justified. In my case, as I've said, it was sleep apnea and hyperinsulinimia (caused by Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome.) And that was enough to justify the risk. RobynnPatty wrote: , Hi...I can totally relate. I go to the support group meetings and the speaker always looks at me when she starts asking people who have had the surgery to come up and talk. I am 125lbs overweight....I guess I hide it to, but I can sure feel it. I have also done tons of research and I am ready. I go see the surgeon tomorrow. I have done everything that Kaiser has required, now it is up to the surgeon to see what he requires. Good luck on your journey. Patty Riverside Hunt wrote: Okay, I went to se my Pshycologist, told home I was going to ask my Dr. about the surgery. His answer to me was "I don't think you need it". He asked "not wanting to be to invasive, how much do you weigh." My answer to him was that I am 100 lbs over weight, okay I will put in your chart that you are of sound mind to make this decision. Thank you and I left. I had another appt. this past week with the uroligist, "I see in your chart you want gastric bypass, well I don't think you weigh enough" can I ask.... Don't these Dr.'s understand that just because I can hide my fat ass and thighs that I am still overweight and that I would not of started this process if I hadn't researched this alot!!!! Any way I just had to complain. SORRY! I do have co-morid I think, degenerative disc' in my back. Sleep apnea but its not very high, althoug I did have the test 30lbs. ago. Blood test just revealed pre-diabetic. by the way I am female Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Maridiana Saucedo Goddess (hehehe) (Cell) maridianas@... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Happiness keeps You Sweet, Trials keep You Strong, Sorrows keep You Human,Failures keeps You Humble, Success keeps You Glowing, But Only God keeps You Going!__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Wow...Robynn, You are an inspriration to me! I did not know about the website you mentioned. See how we learn new things. Thanks for your detailed explanations, they are a great help! Maridiana Approved 7/22/05 Waiting for orientation ...Robynn VanPatten wrote: It sucks, I know. But, here's the thing: just don't give up on getting approved. You probably WILL be approved, so keep the faith. Here's the happy news: once you are approved and get in for an orientation (if you are with Richmond), you'll be weighed in and you can start losing weight right away to meet your 10 percent goal. If you are at Fremont, they look at the highest weight recorded in recent history on your medical chart, so you can begin losing weight immediately if you discover that you are being assigned to Fremont. SSF is a bit different, but I think they look at your weight at time of referral. It was SOOOOO tough to wait to hear, but the actual acceptance came relatively quickly (like within less than two weeks as I recall). My doctor e-mailed me and told me before the letter even got to me. I was approved in late December , had orientation in January, did my other classes...and then had the surgery June 8th. It would have been even sooner had I been able to get a handle on the 26.5 lbs I had to lose. But, it took what it took, you know? So, I was at 235.5 at point of surgery, and I'm at 187 right now, just eleven weeks post surgery. I already look pretty good...wearing size 12. I have 42 more lbs. to go to get to my doctor's goal for me...52 to get to my own goal. The thing is, you will be changing the way you look from the moment you take on the challenge. And what a great motivator for losing that 10 percent! This surgery. But, in the meantime, educate yourself. There is a link off of BariatricAdvantage.com (these are the vitamins many of us take, and that Kaiser recommends) with books that you can buy...like the Success habits of WLS patients. These are very useful. I just got a bunch of the books, and I'm learning stuff I didn't know. I want to be a success...a long term success. i want to get to goal and stay at goal for the rest of my life. Some people don't get there. Some people regain the weight. Given that I've done this rather extreme thing to my body, I want to be DARNED sure that I'm going to be a success. So, use your time wisely. Read these books. Start employing some of the principles that they suggest NOW so that by the time you have your surgery, it will be old hat for you. You'll get there. Just have faith and a bit of patience. I know we want the weight gone NOW, but how long have you been struggling with weight? The point is, time will pass either way. But you can choose how to use this passing time. Start an exercise program. Start drinking more water. Start eating meals without drinking anything for 15 minutes before the meal, and an hour afterwards. Start taking vitamin supplements, so that you'll be in good health. Start doing some emotional work, and thinking about why it is that you maybe use food as an emotional crutch. This is all very valuable work, and you need to do it at some point. You may as well do it now. And then, if on the very off chance you are not approved, you will still be incorporating some very positive habits in your life that will help you deal with this weight problem. Good luck!Robynn Hunt wrote: I apoligize very senssitive today! Got a Bad look at myself in the mirror yesterday, I am much bigger than I thought !! SOOOOOOOOOOO please accept my apoligies!! Robynn VanPatten wrote: But, you guys...the reality is that Kaiser is opening up their doors more for people like us. I mean, why wait until we hit a BMI of 48 or 50 to get started on this journey, really? When I spoke about Dr. Fisher and his expectations...and about the fact that there are probably more people now who are "just 40" (and in the world of morbid obesity, a 40 BMI is not very high compared to some of the folks on the board who are struggling with weights about 350 or so)...I was talking about the fact that if you have the surgery and you weight 400 lbs...you require more calories to maintain that weight than somebody who weighs 250. Thus, when the 400 lb person begins on their post-surgical mandatory portion control (because of small tummies), OF COURSE they are going to lose more quickly than somebody who weighs less. That's just the way it goes. But, that doesn't mean that somebody with a lower BMI isn't also going to be successful..and get down to a completely normal weight. The reason that they don't generally operate on somebody with a lower BMI is that there is considerable risk involved with the surgery. For complications, and even death. Thus, they need to weigh the comparable risk of the surgery and its aftermath, to the risk of you being overweight. With somebody who has a BMI of 50 or above, the math is pretty simple: it's a surgery that is really necessary to save their lives. But, somebody who is 100 lbs. overweight, though well on their way to being in serious danger due to their health...are still potentially within a weight range where if they lose 20 to 30 lbs., they will seriously decrease their risk of long-term problems. So, they look for some kind of indicator that your particular body cannot handle the extra weight in a healthy way...and thus, in YOUR case, the surgery is justified. In my case, as I've said, it was sleep apnea and hyperinsulinimia (caused by Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome.) And that was enough to justify the risk. RobynnPatty wrote: , Hi...I can totally relate. I go to the support group meetings and the speaker always looks at me when she starts asking people who have had the surgery to come up and talk. I am 125lbs overweight....I guess I hide it to, but I can sure feel it. I have also done tons of research and I am ready. I go see the surgeon tomorrow. I have done everything that Kaiser has required, now it is up to the surgeon to see what he requires. Good luck on your journey. Patty Riverside Hunt wrote: Okay, I went to se my Pshycologist, told home I was going to ask my Dr. about the surgery. His answer to me was "I don't think you need it". He asked "not wanting to be to invasive, how much do you weigh." My answer to him was that I am 100 lbs over weight, okay I will put in your chart that you are of sound mind to make this decision. Thank you and I left. I had another appt. this past week with the uroligist, "I see in your chart you want gastric bypass, well I don't think you weigh enough" can I ask.... Don't these Dr.'s understand that just because I can hide my fat ass and thighs that I am still overweight and that I would not of started this process if I hadn't researched this alot!!!! Any way I just had to complain. SORRY! I do have co-morid I think, degenerative disc' in my back. Sleep apnea but its not very high, althoug I did have the test 30lbs. ago. Blood test just revealed pre-diabetic. by the way I am female Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Maridiana Saucedo Goddess (hehehe) (Cell) maridianas@... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Happiness keeps You Sweet, Trials keep You Strong, Sorrows keep You Human,Failures keeps You Humble, Success keeps You Glowing, But Only God keeps You Going!__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2005 Report Share Posted August 29, 2005 Thank you! Maridiana Saucedo wrote: I also am PCOS and that is where most of my comorbidities came into the picture. Again the infertility, weight gain and borderline diabetic issues where a huge problem for me as well as the arthritis and back problems. I think that it is getting a bit easier if your BMI is in the 40 range. But I do think that you may have to keep on top of it more because some of the doctors feel that you can lose the weight yourself. By the way, When I went to my Pshycological Eval. the doctor told me that I carry my weight well. He was kind of surprised at why I wanted the surgery. Once I started naming off all the health issues I have, he understood why it was important to me. MaridianaRobynn VanPatten wrote: But, you guys...the reality is that Kaiser is opening up their doors more for people like us. I mean, why wait until we hit a BMI of 48 or 50 to get started on this journey, really? When I spoke about Dr. Fisher and his expectations...and about the fact that there are probably more people now who are "just 40" (and in the world of morbid obesity, a 40 BMI is not very high compared to some of the folks on the board who are struggling with weights about 350 or so)...I was talking about the fact that if you have the surgery and you weight 400 lbs...you require more calories to maintain that weight than somebody who weighs 250. Thus, when the 400 lb person begins on their post-surgical mandatory portion control (because of small tummies), OF COURSE they are going to lose more quickly than somebody who weighs less. That's just the way it goes. But, that doesn't mean that somebody with a lower BMI isn't also going to be successful..and get down to a completely normal weight. The reason that they don't generally operate on somebody with a lower BMI is that there is considerable risk involved with the surgery. For complications, and even death. Thus, they need to weigh the comparable risk of the surgery and its aftermath, to the risk of you being overweight. With somebody who has a BMI of 50 or above, the math is pretty simple: it's a surgery that is really necessary to save their lives. But, somebody who is 100 lbs. overweight, though well on their way to being in serious danger due to their health...are still potentially within a weight range where if they lose 20 to 30 lbs., they will seriously decrease their risk of long-term problems. So, they look for some kind of indicator that your particular body cannot handle the extra weight in a healthy way...and thus, in YOUR case, the surgery is justified. In my case, as I've said, it was sleep apnea and hyperinsulinimia (caused by Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome.) And that was enough to justify the risk. RobynnPatty wrote: , Hi...I can totally relate. I go to the support group meetings and the speaker always looks at me when she starts asking people who have had the surgery to come up and talk. I am 125lbs overweight....I guess I hide it to, but I can sure feel it. I have also done tons of research and I am ready. I go see the surgeon tomorrow. I have done everything that Kaiser has required, now it is up to the surgeon to see what he requires. Good luck on your journey. Patty Riverside Hunt wrote: Okay, I went to se my Pshycologist, told home I was going to ask my Dr. about the surgery. His answer to me was "I don't think you need it". He asked "not wanting to be to invasive, how much do you weigh." My answer to him was that I am 100 lbs over weight, okay I will put in your chart that you are of sound mind to make this decision. Thank you and I left. I had another appt. this past week with the uroligist, "I see in your chart you want gastric bypass, well I don't think you weigh enough" can I ask.... Don't these Dr.'s understand that just because I can hide my fat ass and thighs that I am still overweight and that I would not of started this process if I hadn't researched this alot!!!! Any way I just had to complain. SORRY! I do have co-morid I think, degenerative disc' in my back. Sleep apnea but its not very high, althoug I did have the test 30lbs. ago. Blood test just revealed pre-diabetic. by the way I am female Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Maridiana Saucedo Goddess (hehehe) (Cell) maridianas@... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Happiness keeps You Sweet, Trials keep You Strong, Sorrows keep You Human,Failures keeps You Humble, Success keeps You Glowing, But Only God keeps You Going! __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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