Losing the 10%

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HI Lynne,

What are you doing to lose the 10%? Are you using the 1200 calorie meal plan? I used the meal plan that Kaiser gave us in order to lose the weight. If you follow it as it says you shouldn't have any problem in losing the weight. One of the most important things to do is to measure and weigh your food. You cannot use your eye to decide a serving size because we really don't know what normal serving size is. I also ate a lot of salad. That seemed to help also. Water is very important also. It is very important that you are well hydrated.

Are you doing any type of exercise. That is also very necessary. I know when we are heavy it is harder to exercise but it is very important that you start to move. IF you put all of these things together you will get there before you know it.

Ramona

[Guest guest]

Hello every one

I am so frustrated with myself. I can't seem to get the 10% off, so

I

can have the surgery--- I am stressing myself out. Sorry, I had to

get

that out of my system. I weight in today at Richmond and gain 4

pounds.

[Guest guest]

You are not alone...

Sorry I cannot offer you any sage advice since I too am struggling.

Just an understanding shoulder...

> Hello every one

>

> I am so frustrated with myself. I can't seem to get the 10% off, so

> I

> can have the surgery--- I am stressing myself out. Sorry, I had to

> get

> that out of my system. I weight in today at Richmond and gain 4

> pounds.

[Guest guest]

Thank you

> > Hello every one

> >

> > I am so frustrated with myself. I can't seem to get the 10%

off, so

> > I

> > can have the surgery--- I am stressing myself out. Sorry, I had

to

> > get

> > that out of my system. I weight in today at Richmond and gain 4

> > pounds.

[Guest guest]

yeah, I'm really struggling again as well.... I sometimes wonder if I'll ever succeed at this.

Good luck, and Lynn (Hey, where is Ron?)

Pam b wrote:

You are not alone...Sorry I cannot offer you any sage advice since I too am struggling. Just an understanding shoulder...> Hello every one> > I am so frustrated with myself. I can't seem to get the 10% off, so> I > can have the surgery--- I am stressing myself out. Sorry, I had to> get > that out of my system. I weight in today at Richmond and gain 4> pounds.

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Guys,

I don't know if this will help...but you need to readjust this process in your mind. That's how I finally did it (and I was a major lollygagger on the weight loss thing). First, I accepted that I needed a little bit of extra time to work through some kind of emotional fear I had to the idea of change...the idea of giving up sweets, my crutch...and the idea that this is the final frontier, and if it fails...I'm doomed to life stuck inside this fat suit.

So, I gave myself permission to just kind of explore my thoughts and feelings on the issue. And I quit fearing that I wouldn't lose the weight. I started expecting that the weight would come off. If I drank water, if I watched portions, if I started employing the practices I would have to use afterwards (eat slowly, use a small utensil and a small plate so that you don't fool yourself about your portion sizes), stop the caffeine and the diet soda...just little changes...I knew I would get there eventually, when I ws ready.

Finally, I just lit a fire under my fanny, and decided no more excuses. No more mambsy pambsy. Just do it. That was my mantra. But, I was ready, you know? I tiptoed through the tulips for a while...and then I ran through the fire. Nothing, no special occasion, no "but it's my favorite restaurant", nothing derailed me from getting the final poundage off. There was no excuse big enough.

I kept telling myself that I coul dput this off indefinitely...I have the power to do that if I wish. I can get thin, and be at the proper pre-surgery weight...and still decide I'm not ready for the surgery. That choice was in my hands. As soon as I grasped that, it wasn't so scary for me to lose the weight. Because I knew the decision was in my own hands.

But really...the only way to do it is no holds barred. Plan. Get a plan for how you are going to do it...be it Kaiser's diet, Atkins, liquid protein, whatever. They all work if you stick to them 100%. Just choose your method, and don't deviate. Period. Zero tolerance. That way you know you aren't sneaking in extra calories...You'll do this when you are ready, and not a moment before. But it is you who holds the start button. Press it when you can...much awaits you on the other side.

Big kisses,

RobynnPamela wrote:

yeah, I'm really struggling again as well.... I sometimes wonder if I'll ever succeed at this.

Good luck, and Lynn (Hey, where is Ron?)

Pam b wrote:

You are not alone...Sorry I cannot offer you any sage advice since I too am struggling. Just an understanding shoulder...> Hello every one> > I am so frustrated with myself. I can't seem to get the 10% off, so> I > can have the surgery--- I am stressing myself out. Sorry, I had to> get > that out of my system. I weight in today at Richmond and gain 4> pounds.

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Funny you should ask... I've been here "lurking" in the shadows of my monitor. I read this group religiously every single day. It's really what helps to keep me on track. Lord knows that if I'm here reading the posts from all you wonderful folks, I'm not eating or drinking things I shouldn't be.

Anyway, I've been struggling a little bit too. Remember that walk home I attempted a week ago or so? Well, I'm not sure, but I think I may have actually injured myself doing that. Since then, I've been limping around a lot and I thought for sure it was just the pain of doing exercise I'm not used to doing. However, it was getting worse daily, until the other day I literally could not put any pressure on my right foot. I hobbled around on a walker like some 90 year old man. So, I finally got in to see a doc and had x-rays and all that jazz. I was told it was a plantars fish... something. (sorry, I can't recall the exact word there.... I say I have a plantars f-word) hehehe Anyway, it's not nearly as bad as it was, as I am able to walk on the foot again, although it's still rather painful. This has also prohibited any further walking on my part.... I gotta get moving again though. I'm afraid I may have added a couple pounds... We'll see tomorrow.

On Wednesday, (oh, it's nearly Wednesday already!), my sister a is having her surgery at Richmond. She checks in at 7 am, so I'll be there most of the day, I guess. Her son is pretty freaked out about this, but I'll have to calm him down tomorrow. Sometimes, there's just no re-assuring him... Anyway, if anyone's around Kaiser Richmond tomorrow late afternoon or Thursday, stop in and say hi. Her name is a Hagar. I'm sure she'd love the company.

I'll let everyone know how my weight's doing after I weigh in tomorrow. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I've actually lost a pound or two.

Ron

Re: Re: Losing the 10%

yeah, I'm really struggling again as well.... I sometimes wonder if I'll ever succeed at this.

Good luck, and Lynn (Hey, where is Ron?)

Pam b wrote:

You are not alone...Sorry I cannot offer you any sage advice since I too am struggling. Just an understanding shoulder...> Hello every one> > I am so frustrated with myself. I can't seem to get the 10% off, so> I > can have the surgery--- I am stressing myself out. Sorry, I had to> get > that out of my system. I weight in today at Richmond and gain 4> pounds.

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I've had the plantars fasciitis before, Ron. Hurts!

Feel for ya, bud. I had to buy *Foot Soldiers* and

put them in my shoes. A hard insole type thing. Not

too comfy, but it helped.

Laurie

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Ron, I had horrible plantar fascitis, and it sucked. What is very important: you need shoes with proper support. Certain shoes (even seemingly comfortable ones) can really get you. You need arch support. Also, make sure you stretch out your feet. For example, go to a stair, put your toes and the ball of your foot on the edge of the stair, and then let your heels relax down towards the stair below. Don't bounce, just hang. And hold for a while. Also, put your hands against the wall, leaning forward into the wall, with your feet out from the wall...so that when you lean in, you feel the back of your heels stretchin out. Basically,, your body is making one side of a traingle. Lie a lank with the bottom edge angled away from the wall, and the top part leaned against the wall. Relax and breath through the stretch, and try to keep your heels planted in the carpet.

Do not wear flip flops around the house...they are deadly. Wear a slightly elevated heel...it relieves the pressure.

Finally, soak your feet in hot water for about 10 minutes, and then in ice cold water for 10, and back into the warm for 10, and then cold for 10. This creates a vascular pump and gets rid of any pooled blood that might cause scar tissue.

I also got some massages on my calves and feet...self-massaged when necessary. This is not something to ignore...it can be debilitating if you don't stretch a lot, and just work on it in the way I've described. Also, take ibuprofin...every day to keep the swelling down. And get those shoes...and then force yourself to walk. I was completely inactive for a year because of it. My husband had to drop me off right in front of the stores, and then go and park. I was hobbled.

Finally, I said, "Screw it" (after gaining 70 lbs.) I just decided I was going to walk even if it hurt like a mother. The more I walked, the less it hurt...after a while, the walking itself broke down some of the scar tissue, and helped me out. Ibuprofin isn't just for pain relief, it is to take the swelling down so that you don't continually harm yourself in an inflamed state.

Do all of this Ron, and get back to walking...but get some proper walking shoes with good support.

Take it from not-a-doctor-didn't-even-play-one-on-tv, but hey...been there, done it.

Good luck!!RobynnBBQ Man wrote:

Funny you should ask... I've been here "lurking" in the shadows of my monitor. I read this group religiously every single day. It's really what helps to keep me on track. Lord knows that if I'm here reading the posts from all you wonderful folks, I'm not eating or drinking things I shouldn't be.

Anyway, I've been struggling a little bit too. Remember that walk home I attempted a week ago or so? Well, I'm not sure, but I think I may have actually injured myself doing that. Since then, I've been limping around a lot and I thought for sure it was just the pain of doing exercise I'm not used to doing. However, it was getting worse daily, until the other day I literally could not put any pressure on my right foot. I hobbled around on a walker like some 90 year old man. So, I finally got in to see a doc and had x-rays and all that jazz. I was told it was a plantars fish... something. (sorry, I can't recall the exact word there.... I say I have a plantars f-word) hehehe Anyway, it's not nearly as bad as it was, as I am able to walk on the foot again, although it's still rather painful. This has also prohibited any further walking on my part.... I gotta get

moving again though. I'm afraid I may have added a couple pounds... We'll see tomorrow.

On Wednesday, (oh, it's nearly Wednesday already!), my sister a is having her surgery at Richmond. She checks in at 7 am, so I'll be there most of the day, I guess. Her son is pretty freaked out about this, but I'll have to calm him down tomorrow. Sometimes, there's just no re-assuring him... Anyway, if anyone's around Kaiser Richmond tomorrow late afternoon or Thursday, stop in and say hi. Her name is a Hagar. I'm sure she'd love the company.

I'll let everyone know how my weight's doing after I weigh in tomorrow. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I've actually lost a pound or two.

Ron

Re: Re: Losing the 10%

yeah, I'm really struggling again as well.... I sometimes wonder if I'll ever succeed at this.

Good luck, and Lynn (Hey, where is Ron?)

Pam b wrote:

You are not alone...Sorry I cannot offer you any sage advice since I too am struggling. Just an understanding shoulder...> Hello every one> > I am so frustrated with myself. I can't seem to get the 10% off, so> I > can have the surgery--- I am stressing myself out. Sorry, I had to> get > that out of my system. I weight in today at Richmond and gain 4> pounds.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Robynn, for the encouragement!

When you say liquid protein diet, do you mean soley a liquid protein diet? And if so, would Pro-Complex work? (Pro-Complex is one of the best on the market, if you can stand the taste. And good for me, I like the taste quite a bit!)

Pam bRobynn VanPatten wrote:

Guys,

I don't know if this will help...but you need to readjust this process in your mind. That's how I finally did it (and I was a major lollygagger on the weight loss thing). First, I accepted that I needed a little bit of extra time to work through some kind of emotional fear I had to the idea of change...the idea of giving up sweets, my crutch...and the idea that this is the final frontier, and if it fails...I'm doomed to life stuck inside this fat suit.

So, I gave myself permission to just kind of explore my thoughts and feelings on the issue. And I quit fearing that I wouldn't lose the weight. I started expecting that the weight would come off. If I drank water, if I watched portions, if I started employing the practices I would have to use afterwards (eat slowly, use a small utensil and a small plate so that you don't fool yourself about your portion sizes), stop the caffeine and the diet soda...just little changes...I knew I would get there eventually, when I ws ready.

Finally, I just lit a fire under my fanny, and decided no more excuses. No more mambsy pambsy. Just do it. That was my mantra. But, I was ready, you know? I tiptoed through the tulips for a while...and then I ran through the fire. Nothing, no special occasion, no "but it's my favorite restaurant", nothing derailed me from getting the final poundage off. There was no excuse big enough.

I kept telling myself that I coul dput this off indefinitely...I have the power to do that if I wish. I can get thin, and be at the proper pre-surgery weight...and still decide I'm not ready for the surgery. That choice was in my hands. As soon as I grasped that, it wasn't so scary for me to lose the weight. Because I knew the decision was in my own hands.

But really...the only way to do it is no holds barred. Plan. Get a plan for how you are going to do it...be it Kaiser's diet, Atkins, liquid protein, whatever. They all work if you stick to them 100%. Just choose your method, and don't deviate. Period. Zero tolerance. That way you know you aren't sneaking in extra calories...You'll do this when you are ready, and not a moment before. But it is you who holds the start button. Press it when you can...much awaits you on the other side.

Big kisses,

RobynnPamela wrote:

yeah, I'm really struggling again as well.... I sometimes wonder if I'll ever succeed at this.

Good luck, and Lynn (Hey, where is Ron?)

Pam b wrote:

You are not alone...Sorry I cannot offer you any sage advice since I too am struggling. Just an understanding shoulder...> Hello every one> > I am so frustrated with myself. I can't seem to get the 10% off, so> I > can have the surgery--- I am stressing myself out. Sorry, I had to> get > that out of my system. I weight in today at Richmond and gain 4> pounds.

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I'll keep my fingers crossed for you as well! And glad to hear that you are still with us!

BTW, it's Plantars Fasciitis (sp?). It's where the muscle begins to pull away from the bone on the bottom of your foot, (or at least, that was how the podiatrist explained it to me), I've heard others say that it is the tissue at the bottom of your foot that becomes inflamed and swollen. Whatever it is, it hurts like a son-of-a-B****! A couple iof things that you can do would be to take a frozen can of juice concentrate and roll it back and forth under the afflicted foot. Do this especially in the morning when it hurts the most. Also, NEVER, EVER go barefoot, (even with the middle-of-the-night potty trips), as this will exacerbate the condition! Wear shoes that will support your heel and arch, such as a really good sneaker, and that have plenty of cushioning for the heel. (I have also seen shoes specifically for PS, but can't remember where...) You can also try heel lifts or heel cups in your shoes, or even better, Kaiser can fit you with shoe inserts.

They're expensive, though. At least $200.00, if memory serves... But well worth it considering the pain involved with PS!!!

You may want to consider swimming, as, I am sorry to say, PS does not go away very quickly. It took at least 1.5 to 2 years for my PS to finally leave, but not all people are the same. Some people may suffer for only a few weeks. And I'm sure that the steps you take to help alleviate the symptoms would help to shorten the duration of time you have PS. I never bought the shoe inserts, and unfortunately, the heel cups didn't work for me as they kept slipping off my heel as I walked. Maybe if I had purchased the inserts, my PS would have gone away alot sooner; who knows?! I do know, however, that buying really good shoes, (no more of the $10.00 shoes from Payless Shoe Source ), helped considerably.

Anyway, sorry to hear about your PS... and I hope that you will soon be on the mend.

Pam b

PS Redundant, I know, but I'm glad to hear that you're still with the "group"!

PPS I'll be thinking postive thoughts for a this morning!BBQ Man wrote:

Funny you should ask... I've been here "lurking" in the shadows of my monitor. I read this group religiously every single day. It's really what helps to keep me on track. Lord knows that if I'm here reading the posts from all you wonderful folks, I'm not eating or drinking things I shouldn't be.

Anyway, I've been struggling a little bit too. Remember that walk home I attempted a week ago or so? Well, I'm not sure, but I think I may have actually injured myself doing that. Since then, I've been limping around a lot and I thought for sure it was just the pain of doing exercise I'm not used to doing. However, it was getting worse daily, until the other day I literally could not put any pressure on my right foot. I hobbled around on a walker like some 90 year old man. So, I finally got in to see a doc and had x-rays and all that jazz. I was told it was a plantars fish... something. (sorry, I can't recall the exact word there.... I say I have a plantars f-word) hehehe Anyway, it's not nearly as bad as it was, as I am able to walk on the foot again, although it's still rather painful. This has also prohibited any further walking on my part.... I gotta get

moving again though. I'm afraid I may have added a couple pounds... We'll see tomorrow.

On Wednesday, (oh, it's nearly Wednesday already!), my sister a is having her surgery at Richmond. She checks in at 7 am, so I'll be there most of the day, I guess. Her son is pretty freaked out about this, but I'll have to calm him down tomorrow. Sometimes, there's just no re-assuring him... Anyway, if anyone's around Kaiser Richmond tomorrow late afternoon or Thursday, stop in and say hi. Her name is a Hagar. I'm sure she'd love the company.

I'll let everyone know how my weight's doing after I weigh in tomorrow. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I've actually lost a pound or two.

Ron

Re: Re: Losing the 10%

yeah, I'm really struggling again as well.... I sometimes wonder if I'll ever succeed at this.

Good luck, and Lynn (Hey, where is Ron?)

Pam b wrote:

You are not alone...Sorry I cannot offer you any sage advice since I too am struggling. Just an understanding shoulder...> Hello every one> > I am so frustrated with myself. I can't seem to get the 10% off, so> I > can have the surgery--- I am stressing myself out. Sorry, I had to> get > that out of my system. I weight in today at Richmond and gain 4> pounds.

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I agree with almost all of what Robynn said, except for the walking even when it "hurt like a mother" part. I think that getting back to walking may be a good idea, but start off slowly as you don't want to make the condition any worse. (again, think water activity!) But hey, I'm no doctor, so don't rely on my advice... talk with your PCP, or better yet, ask for a referral to Podiatry, (although getting a referral to Podiatry or Sports Medicine is like asking your PCP to perform a root canal, lol).

And BTW, Robynn's comment about wearing an elevated heel made me laugh... I know that a podiatrist would cringe with what I am about to say, but, when the pain was so bad that I didn't think I could take it anymore, I began to wear high-heels everywhere, including around the house and those late night trips to the bathroom. (Robynn is very on-target when she mentioned that wearing an elevated heel alleviates some of the pressure). My then boyfriend thought that I was wearing the high-heels in an attempt to be sexy, lol!!! And it apparently did the trick, as he began to request the high heels even after my PS pain had subsided, lol!

Pam b Robynn VanPatten wrote:

Ron, I had horrible plantar fascitis, and it sucked. What is very important: you need shoes with proper support. Certain shoes (even seemingly comfortable ones) can really get you. You need arch support. Also, make sure you stretch out your feet. For example, go to a stair, put your toes and the ball of your foot on the edge of the stair, and then let your heels relax down towards the stair below. Don't bounce, just hang. And hold for a while. Also, put your hands against the wall, leaning forward into the wall, with your feet out from the wall...so that when you lean in, you feel the back of your heels stretchin out. Basically,, your body is making one side of a traingle. Lie a lank with the bottom edge angled away from the wall, and the top part leaned against the wall. Relax and breath through the stretch, and try to keep your heels planted in the carpet.

Do not wear flip flops around the house...they are deadly. Wear a slightly elevated heel...it relieves the pressure.

Finally, soak your feet in hot water for about 10 minutes, and then in ice cold water for 10, and back into the warm for 10, and then cold for 10. This creates a vascular pump and gets rid of any pooled blood that might cause scar tissue.

I also got some massages on my calves and feet...self-massaged when necessary. This is not something to ignore...it can be debilitating if you don't stretch a lot, and just work on it in the way I've described. Also, take ibuprofin...every day to keep the swelling down. And get those shoes...and then force yourself to walk. I was completely inactive for a year because of it. My husband had to drop me off right in front of the stores, and then go and park. I was hobbled.

Finally, I said, "Screw it" (after gaining 70 lbs.) I just decided I was going to walk even if it hurt like a mother. The more I walked, the less it hurt...after a while, the walking itself broke down some of the scar tissue, and helped me out. Ibuprofin isn't just for pain relief, it is to take the swelling down so that you don't continually harm yourself in an inflamed state.

Do all of this Ron, and get back to walking...but get some proper walking shoes with good support.

Take it from not-a-doctor-didn't-even-play-one-on-tv, but hey...been there, done it.

Good luck!!RobynnBBQ Man wrote:

Funny you should ask... I've been here "lurking" in the shadows of my monitor. I read this group religiously every single day. It's really what helps to keep me on track. Lord knows that if I'm here reading the posts from all you wonderful folks, I'm not eating or drinking things I shouldn't be.

Anyway, I've been struggling a little bit too. Remember that walk home I attempted a week ago or so? Well, I'm not sure, but I think I may have actually injured myself doing that. Since then, I've been limping around a lot and I thought for sure it was just the pain of doing exercise I'm not used to doing. However, it was getting worse daily, until the other day I literally could not put any pressure on my right foot. I hobbled around on a walker like some 90 year old man. So, I finally got in to see a doc and had x-rays and all that jazz. I was told it was a plantars fish... something. (sorry, I can't recall the exact word there.... I say I have a plantars f-word) hehehe Anyway, it's not nearly as bad as it was, as I am able to walk on the foot again, although it's still rather painful. This has also prohibited any further walking on my part.... I gotta get

moving again though. I'm afraid I may have added a couple pounds... We'll see tomorrow.

On Wednesday, (oh, it's nearly Wednesday already!), my sister a is having her surgery at Richmond. She checks in at 7 am, so I'll be there most of the day, I guess. Her son is pretty freaked out about this, but I'll have to calm him down tomorrow. Sometimes, there's just no re-assuring him... Anyway, if anyone's around Kaiser Richmond tomorrow late afternoon or Thursday, stop in and say hi. Her name is a Hagar. I'm sure she'd love the company.

I'll let everyone know how my weight's doing after I weigh in tomorrow. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I've actually lost a pound or two.

Ron

Re: Re: Losing the 10%

yeah, I'm really struggling again as well.... I sometimes wonder if I'll ever succeed at this.

Good luck, and Lynn (Hey, where is Ron?)

Pam b wrote:

You are not alone...Sorry I cannot offer you any sage advice since I too am struggling. Just an understanding shoulder...> Hello every one> > I am so frustrated with myself. I can't seem to get the 10% off, so> I > can have the surgery--- I am stressing myself out. Sorry, I had to> get > that out of my system. I weight in today at Richmond and gain 4> pounds.

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Hi Ron,

I can sympathize with you on the Plantar facisititus . I had that once and ended up having one of those painful injections. It did the trick though. Did the doctor recommend Spenco ortho insoles for your shoes. My orthopedic surgeon did and they really make a difference. I have not had the problem since. Have you ever considered water aerobics. It is really one of the best types of exercises for people who have walking issues. It is low impact and fun. When I weighed 357 pounds I was at first very shy but then after a while I realized that everyone is there for the same reason to get healthy.

My best wishes fro your sister on her big day. also good luck on you weigh in.

Ramona

[Guest guest]

Hi Ron

sorry about the foot, but sounds like it is gettting better, you sound upbeat and ontrack if you gained a few, oh well just move forward, dont dwell on the past. Good Luck with your sister and give her our best. She is lucky to have you there to calm her son down.

colleenBBQ Man wrote:

Funny you should ask... I've been here "lurking" in the shadows of my monitor. I read this group religiously every single day. It's really what helps to keep me on track. Lord knows that if I'm here reading the posts from all you wonderful folks, I'm not eating or drinking things I shouldn't be.

Anyway, I've been struggling a little bit too. Remember that walk home I attempted a week ago or so? Well, I'm not sure, but I think I may have actually injured myself doing that. Since then, I've been limping around a lot and I thought for sure it was just the pain of doing exercise I'm not used to doing. However, it was getting worse daily, until the other day I literally could not put any pressure on my right foot. I hobbled around on a walker like some 90 year old man. So, I finally got in to see a doc and had x-rays and all that jazz. I was told it was a plantars fish... something. (sorry, I can't recall the exact word there.... I say I have a plantars f-word) hehehe Anyway, it's not nearly as bad as it was, as I am able to walk on the foot again, although it's still rather painful. This has also prohibited any further walking on my part.... I gotta get

moving again though. I'm afraid I may have added a couple pounds... We'll see tomorrow.

On Wednesday, (oh, it's nearly Wednesday already!), my sister a is having her surgery at Richmond. She checks in at 7 am, so I'll be there most of the day, I guess. Her son is pretty freaked out about this, but I'll have to calm him down tomorrow. Sometimes, there's just no re-assuring him... Anyway, if anyone's around Kaiser Richmond tomorrow late afternoon or Thursday, stop in and say hi. Her name is a Hagar. I'm sure she'd love the company.

I'll let everyone know how my weight's doing after I weigh in tomorrow. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I've actually lost a pound or two.

Ron

Re: Re: Losing the 10%

yeah, I'm really struggling again as well.... I sometimes wonder if I'll ever succeed at this.

Good luck, and Lynn (Hey, where is Ron?)

Pam b wrote:

You are not alone...Sorry I cannot offer you any sage advice since I too am struggling. Just an understanding shoulder...> Hello every one> > I am so frustrated with myself. I can't seem to get the 10% off, so> I > can have the surgery--- I am stressing myself out. Sorry, I had to> get > that out of my system. I weight in today at Richmond and gain 4> pounds.

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Colleen

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Very funny about the heels, Pam. No actually, it was my podiatrist who told me that I should continue to exercise...that dong so would stretchout the fascia (sp?) and would help avoid the formation of scar tissue. i just couldn't do it for a while, it hurt too much. But, then I started..and I lost some weight as a result, and the combination helped me.

RobynnPamela wrote:

I agree with almost all of what Robynn said, except for the walking even when it "hurt like a mother" part. I think that getting back to walking may be a good idea, but start off slowly as you don't want to make the condition any worse. (again, think water activity!) But hey, I'm no doctor, so don't rely on my advice... talk with your PCP, or better yet, ask for a referral to Podiatry, (although getting a referral to Podiatry or Sports Medicine is like asking your PCP to perform a root canal, lol).

And BTW, Robynn's comment about wearing an elevated heel made me laugh... I know that a podiatrist would cringe with what I am about to say, but, when the pain was so bad that I didn't think I could take it anymore, I began to wear high-heels everywhere, including around the house and those late night trips to the bathroom. (Robynn is very on-target when she mentioned that wearing an elevated heel alleviates some of the pressure). My then boyfriend thought that I was wearing the high-heels in an attempt to be sexy, lol!!! And it apparently did the trick, as he began to request the high heels even after my PS pain had subsided, lol!

Pam b Robynn VanPatten wrote:

Ron, I had horrible plantar fascitis, and it sucked. What is very important: you need shoes with proper support. Certain shoes (even seemingly comfortable ones) can really get you. You need arch support. Also, make sure you stretch out your feet. For example, go to a stair, put your toes and the ball of your foot on the edge of the stair, and then let your heels relax down towards the stair below. Don't bounce, just hang. And hold for a while. Also, put your hands against the wall, leaning forward into the wall, with your feet out from the wall...so that when you lean in, you feel the back of your heels stretchin out. Basically,, your body is making one side of a traingle. Lie a lank with the bottom edge angled away from the wall, and the top part leaned against the wall. Relax and breath through the stretch, and try to keep your heels planted in the carpet.

Do not wear flip flops around the house...they are deadly. Wear a slightly elevated heel...it relieves the pressure.

Finally, soak your feet in hot water for about 10 minutes, and then in ice cold water for 10, and back into the warm for 10, and then cold for 10. This creates a vascular pump and gets rid of any pooled blood that might cause scar tissue.

I also got some massages on my calves and feet...self-massaged when necessary. This is not something to ignore...it can be debilitating if you don't stretch a lot, and just work on it in the way I've described. Also, take ibuprofin...every day to keep the swelling down. And get those shoes...and then force yourself to walk. I was completely inactive for a year because of it. My husband had to drop me off right in front of the stores, and then go and park. I was hobbled.

Finally, I said, "Screw it" (after gaining 70 lbs.) I just decided I was going to walk even if it hurt like a mother. The more I walked, the less it hurt...after a while, the walking itself broke down some of the scar tissue, and helped me out. Ibuprofin isn't just for pain relief, it is to take the swelling down so that you don't continually harm yourself in an inflamed state.

Do all of this Ron, and get back to walking...but get some proper walking shoes with good support.

Take it from not-a-doctor-didn't-even-play-one-on-tv, but hey...been there, done it.

Good luck!!RobynnBBQ Man wrote:

Funny you should ask... I've been here "lurking" in the shadows of my monitor. I read this group religiously every single day. It's really what helps to keep me on track. Lord knows that if I'm here reading the posts from all you wonderful folks, I'm not eating or drinking things I shouldn't be.

Anyway, I've been struggling a little bit too. Remember that walk home I attempted a week ago or so? Well, I'm not sure, but I think I may have actually injured myself doing that. Since then, I've been limping around a lot and I thought for sure it was just the pain of doing exercise I'm not used to doing. However, it was getting worse daily, until the other day I literally could not put any pressure on my right foot. I hobbled around on a walker like some 90 year old man. So, I finally got in to see a doc and had x-rays and all that jazz. I was told it was a plantars fish... something. (sorry, I can't recall the exact word there.... I say I have a plantars f-word) hehehe Anyway, it's not nearly as bad as it was, as I am able to walk on the foot again, although it's still rather painful. This has also prohibited any further walking on my part.... I gotta get

moving again though. I'm afraid I may have added a couple pounds... We'll see tomorrow.

On Wednesday, (oh, it's nearly Wednesday already!), my sister a is having her surgery at Richmond. She checks in at 7 am, so I'll be there most of the day, I guess. Her son is pretty freaked out about this, but I'll have to calm him down tomorrow. Sometimes, there's just no re-assuring him... Anyway, if anyone's around Kaiser Richmond tomorrow late afternoon or Thursday, stop in and say hi. Her name is a Hagar. I'm sure she'd love the company.

I'll let everyone know how my weight's doing after I weigh in tomorrow. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that I've actually lost a pound or two.

Ron

Re: Re: Losing the 10%

yeah, I'm really struggling again as well.... I sometimes wonder if I'll ever succeed at this.

Good luck, and Lynn (Hey, where is Ron?)

Pam b wrote:

You are not alone...Sorry I cannot offer you any sage advice since I too am struggling. Just an understanding shoulder...> Hello every one> > I am so frustrated with myself. I can't seem to get the 10% off, so> I > can have the surgery--- I am stressing myself out. Sorry, I had to> get > that out of my system. I weight in today at Richmond and gain 4> pounds.

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Well, I just mean that whatever works. i think Pam Marsh (who has been awfully quiet lately, Pam???) did a couple of shakes and one meal each day. I did that at the end as well. And in the final two or three days, before I got weighed in, I did protein shakes only. I don't necessarily think it's the best thing...but hey, it worked.

RobynnPamela wrote:

Thanks, Robynn, for the encouragement!

When you say liquid protein diet, do you mean soley a liquid protein diet? And if so, would Pro-Complex work? (Pro-Complex is one of the best on the market, if you can stand the taste. And good for me, I like the taste quite a bit!)

Pam bRobynn VanPatten wrote:

Guys,

I don't know if this will help...but you need to readjust this process in your mind. That's how I finally did it (and I was a major lollygagger on the weight loss thing). First, I accepted that I needed a little bit of extra time to work through some kind of emotional fear I had to the idea of change...the idea of giving up sweets, my crutch...and the idea that this is the final frontier, and if it fails...I'm doomed to life stuck inside this fat suit.

So, I gave myself permission to just kind of explore my thoughts and feelings on the issue. And I quit fearing that I wouldn't lose the weight. I started expecting that the weight would come off. If I drank water, if I watched portions, if I started employing the practices I would have to use afterwards (eat slowly, use a small utensil and a small plate so that you don't fool yourself about your portion sizes), stop the caffeine and the diet soda...just little changes...I knew I would get there eventually, when I ws ready.

Finally, I just lit a fire under my fanny, and decided no more excuses. No more mambsy pambsy. Just do it. That was my mantra. But, I was ready, you know? I tiptoed through the tulips for a while...and then I ran through the fire. Nothing, no special occasion, no "but it's my favorite restaurant", nothing derailed me from getting the final poundage off. There was no excuse big enough.

I kept telling myself that I coul dput this off indefinitely...I have the power to do that if I wish. I can get thin, and be at the proper pre-surgery weight...and still decide I'm not ready for the surgery. That choice was in my hands. As soon as I grasped that, it wasn't so scary for me to lose the weight. Because I knew the decision was in my own hands.

But really...the only way to do it is no holds barred. Plan. Get a plan for how you are going to do it...be it Kaiser's diet, Atkins, liquid protein, whatever. They all work if you stick to them 100%. Just choose your method, and don't deviate. Period. Zero tolerance. That way you know you aren't sneaking in extra calories...You'll do this when you are ready, and not a moment before. But it is you who holds the start button. Press it when you can...much awaits you on the other side.

Big kisses,

RobynnPamela wrote:

yeah, I'm really struggling again as well.... I sometimes wonder if I'll ever succeed at this.

Good luck, and Lynn (Hey, where is Ron?)

Pam b wrote:

You are not alone...Sorry I cannot offer you any sage advice since I too am struggling. Just an understanding shoulder...> Hello every one> > I am so frustrated with myself. I can't seem to get the 10% off, so> I > can have the surgery--- I am stressing myself out. Sorry, I had to> get > that out of my system. I weight in today at Richmond and gain 4> pounds.

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Hey Robynn...

Pam B, its me Pam Marsh. Sorry to hear that you are

struggling but we all did and others will to. You are

not alone.

What I did and I am not advocating that you do this

but I am just telling you what worked for me. I

started out on Atkins for two weeks. I dropped 15

pounds. The next two weeks, I did 2 protein shakes

(one for breakfast and one for lunch) and for dinner I

had one slice of deli turkey meat and a slice of Kraft

cheese (regular cheese). I did not have any snacks

and I drank nothing but water. I took off 5 more

pounds in the two week period. The last 4 pounds hung

on. The last two weeks I drunk only protein shakes

(3-one for breakfast, one for lunch and the third for

dinner) with no snacking and plenty of water. I

exercised everyday. I started out with doing a mile

and a half. As I got stronger, I would walk a lap and

then I would run the next lap. I took my 10% (24

pounds) off in six weeks. this is not a race....and

it is going to take some time.

What I tell people now is that you should try and do

it the healthy way because what I did was not healthy

but I had a time frame that I needed to have this

surgery done because my husband is in the Navy

Reserves and was going away in February and I had been

given a surgery date of February 14th and he was due

to leave on February 19th. I ended up getting a

earlier date (February 8th) because they new about my

situation. I had my surgery just about two weeks

prior to his departure.

I had to stop going to lunch with my coworkers and

friends. I truly learned what it was to be alone. I

did not trust myself to go out to dinner or lunch or

breakfast with anyone because it would be too easy to

say that " this little bit won't hurt " when in fact it

would. I had to really stay focused and the one thing

that helped me was the fact that I have two autistic

boys. I reminded myself that I had diabetes, high

blood pressure, high cholesterol, acid reflux and was

on three different asthma medications. I was on two

blood pressure medications and my diabetic medication

was doubled. I was taking one pill for the acid

reflux and a double dose of medication for the high

cholesterol. The thought that I might die from these

diseases killed me mentally and emotionally because I

knew that my husband was not capable of raising those

boys by himself should something happened to me. He

would do it but it is hard as we do not have family

out here. So everyday when I was tempted, I would

say, no 10%, no surgery, no surgery...I would surely

die. It became a do or die situation for me and I

know that reading this it sounds drastic but my life

and the medical conditions I faced were drastic.

All I can tell you is to pray about the situation and

then if you are tempted to eat something or drink

something ask yourself this question " will this kill

me if I don't have it and what is the worst thing that

will happen if I don't consume it " . It got easier and

easier each time but it was hard but one thing I do

believe in is that you (not just you but all of us)

can do ANYTHING if we really want to do it. My family

did not change what they ate to help me because I

asked them not to. They sat before me at dinner time

and had their pizza, burger king, mcdonalds, mexican

food, you name it. I could not give in. This was my

battle and no one could do this for me except me.

Pam, you can do this and when you realize it, you are

gonna make it. I wish you luck but then you don't

even need it because I know that you are going to make

it. Take care.

Pam Marsh

--- Robynn VanPatten robynnsf@...> wrote:

> Well, I just mean that whatever works. i think Pam

> Marsh (who has been awfully quiet lately, Pam???)

> did a couple of shakes and one meal each day. I did

> that at the end as well. And in the final two or

> three days, before I got weighed in, I did protein

> shakes only. I don't necessarily think it's the

> best thing...but hey, it worked.

>

> Robynn

>

> Pamela florenceboss@...> wrote:

> Thanks, Robynn, for the encouragement!

>

> When you say liquid protein diet, do you mean soley

> a liquid protein diet? And if so, would Pro-Complex

> work? (Pro-Complex is one of the best on the market,

> if you can stand the taste. And good for me, I like

> the taste quite a bit!)

>

> Pam b

>

> Robynn VanPatten robynnsf@...> wrote:

> Guys,

>

> I don't know if this will help...but you need to

> readjust this process in your mind. That's how I

> finally did it (and I was a major lollygagger on the

> weight loss thing). First, I accepted that I needed

> a little bit of extra time to work through some kind

> of emotional fear I had to the idea of change...the

> idea of giving up sweets, my crutch...and the idea

> that this is the final frontier, and if it

> fails...I'm doomed to life stuck inside this fat

> suit.

>

> So, I gave myself permission to just kind of explore

> my thoughts and feelings on the issue. And I quit

> fearing that I wouldn't lose the weight. I started

> expecting that the weight would come off. If I

> drank water, if I watched portions, if I started

> employing the practices I would have to use

> afterwards (eat slowly, use a small utensil and a

> small plate so that you don't fool yourself about

> your portion sizes), stop the caffeine and the diet

> soda...just little changes...I knew I would get

> there eventually, when I ws ready.

>

> Finally, I just lit a fire under my fanny, and

> decided no more excuses. No more mambsy pambsy.

> Just do it. That was my mantra. But, I was ready,

> you know? I tiptoed through the tulips for a

> while...and then I ran through the fire. Nothing,

> no special occasion, no " but it's my favorite

> restaurant " , nothing derailed me from getting the

> final poundage off. There was no excuse big enough.

>

> I kept telling myself that I coul dput this off

> indefinitely...I have the power to do that if I

> wish. I can get thin, and be at the proper

> pre-surgery weight...and still decide I'm not ready

> for the surgery. That choice was in my hands. As

> soon as I grasped that, it wasn't so scary for me to

> lose the weight. Because I knew the decision was in

> my own hands.

>

> But really...the only way to do it is no holds

> barred. Plan. Get a plan for how you are going to

> do it...be it Kaiser's diet, Atkins, liquid protein,

> whatever. They all work if you stick to them 100%.

> Just choose your method, and don't deviate. Period.

> Zero tolerance. That way you know you aren't

> sneaking in extra calories...You'll do this when you

> are ready, and not a moment before. But it is you

> who holds the start button. Press it when you

> can...much awaits you on the other side.

>

> Big kisses,

> Robynn

>

> Pamela florenceboss@...> wrote:

> yeah, I'm really struggling again as well.... I

> sometimes wonder if I'll ever succeed at this.

>

> Good luck, and Lynn (Hey, where is Ron?)

>

> Pam b

>

> onebigscot@...> wrote:

> You are not alone...

>

> Sorry I cannot offer you any sage advice since I too

> am struggling.

> Just an understanding shoulder...

>

>

>

>

> > Hello every one

> >

> > I am so frustrated with myself. I can't seem to

> get the 10% off, so

> > I

> > can have the surgery--- I am stressing myself out.

> Sorry, I had to

> > get

> > that out of my system. I weight in today at

> Richmond and gain 4

> > pounds.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Oh yeah, I forgot about the cortisone injections... Some people do have great success with this...

Pam bsweetgemlady656@... wrote:

Hi Ron,

I can sympathize with you on the Plantar facisititus . I had that once and ended up having one of those painful injections. It did the trick though. Did the doctor recommend Spenco ortho insoles for your shoes. My orthopedic surgeon did and they really make a difference. I have not had the problem since. Have you ever considered water aerobics. It is really one of the best types of exercises for people who have walking issues. It is low impact and fun. When I weighed 357 pounds I was at first very shy but then after a while I realized that everyone is there for the same reason to get healthy.

My best wishes fro your sister on her big day. also good luck on you weigh in.

Ramona

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[Guest guest]

Can I just ask you another thing about this all liquid diet? About how many calories per day were you consuming? I have thought about doing strictly Pro-Complex, but didn't know how healthy it would be.

Pam b

And where is Pam M?Robynn VanPatten wrote:

Well, I just mean that whatever works. i think Pam Marsh (who has been awfully quiet lately, Pam???) did a couple of shakes and one meal each day. I did that at the end as well. And in the final two or three days, before I got weighed in, I did protein shakes only. I don't necessarily think it's the best thing...but hey, it worked.

RobynnPamela wrote:

Thanks, Robynn, for the encouragement!

When you say liquid protein diet, do you mean soley a liquid protein diet? And if so, would Pro-Complex work? (Pro-Complex is one of the best on the market, if you can stand the taste. And good for me, I like the taste quite a bit!)

Pam bRobynn VanPatten wrote:

Guys,

I don't know if this will help...but you need to readjust this process in your mind. That's how I finally did it (and I was a major lollygagger on the weight loss thing). First, I accepted that I needed a little bit of extra time to work through some kind of emotional fear I had to the idea of change...the idea of giving up sweets, my crutch...and the idea that this is the final frontier, and if it fails...I'm doomed to life stuck inside this fat suit.

So, I gave myself permission to just kind of explore my thoughts and feelings on the issue. And I quit fearing that I wouldn't lose the weight. I started expecting that the weight would come off. If I drank water, if I watched portions, if I started employing the practices I would have to use afterwards (eat slowly, use a small utensil and a small plate so that you don't fool yourself about your portion sizes), stop the caffeine and the diet soda...just little changes...I knew I would get there eventually, when I ws ready.

Finally, I just lit a fire under my fanny, and decided no more excuses. No more mambsy pambsy. Just do it. That was my mantra. But, I was ready, you know? I tiptoed through the tulips for a while...and then I ran through the fire. Nothing, no special occasion, no "but it's my favorite restaurant", nothing derailed me from getting the final poundage off. There was no excuse big enough.

I kept telling myself that I coul dput this off indefinitely...I have the power to do that if I wish. I can get thin, and be at the proper pre-surgery weight...and still decide I'm not ready for the surgery. That choice was in my hands. As soon as I grasped that, it wasn't so scary for me to lose the weight. Because I knew the decision was in my own hands.

But really...the only way to do it is no holds barred. Plan. Get a plan for how you are going to do it...be it Kaiser's diet, Atkins, liquid protein, whatever. They all work if you stick to them 100%. Just choose your method, and don't deviate. Period. Zero tolerance. That way you know you aren't sneaking in extra calories...You'll do this when you are ready, and not a moment before. But it is you who holds the start button. Press it when you can...much awaits you on the other side.

Big kisses,

RobynnPamela wrote:

yeah, I'm really struggling again as well.... I sometimes wonder if I'll ever succeed at this.

Good luck, and Lynn (Hey, where is Ron?)

Pam b wrote:

You are not alone...Sorry I cannot offer you any sage advice since I too am struggling. Just an understanding shoulder...> Hello every one> > I am so frustrated with myself. I can't seem to get the 10% off, so> I > can have the surgery--- I am stressing myself out. Sorry, I had to> get > that out of my system. I weight in today at Richmond and gain 4> pounds.

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Thank you so very, very much, Pam, for the info on just how you lost your 10%!! I was hoping that someone would get very specific.. And, I am glad to see a post from you!! I was beginning to get worried about you!

Pam bPamela A Marsh wrote:

Hey Robynn...Pam B, its me Pam Marsh. Sorry to hear that you arestruggling but we all did and others will to. You arenot alone.What I did and I am not advocating that you do thisbut I am just telling you what worked for me. Istarted out on Atkins for two weeks. I dropped 15pounds. The next two weeks, I did 2 protein shakes(one for breakfast and one for lunch) and for dinner Ihad one slice of deli turkey meat and a slice of Kraftcheese (regular cheese). I did not have any snacksand I drank nothing but water. I took off 5 morepounds in the two week period. The last 4 pounds hungon. The last two weeks I drunk only protein shakes(3-one for breakfast, one for lunch and the third fordinner) with no snacking and plenty of water. Iexercised everyday. I

started out with doing a mileand a half. As I got stronger, I would walk a lap andthen I would run the next lap. I took my 10% (24pounds) off in six weeks. this is not a race....andit is going to take some time.What I tell people now is that you should try and doit the healthy way because what I did was not healthybut I had a time frame that I needed to have thissurgery done because my husband is in the NavyReserves and was going away in February and I had beengiven a surgery date of February 14th and he was dueto leave on February 19th. I ended up getting aearlier date (February 8th) because they new about mysituation. I had my surgery just about two weeksprior to his departure.I had to stop going to lunch with my coworkers andfriends. I truly learned what it was to be alone. Idid not trust myself to go out to dinner or lunch orbreakfast with anyone because it

would be too easy tosay that "this little bit won't hurt" when in fact itwould. I had to really stay focused and the one thingthat helped me was the fact that I have two autisticboys. I reminded myself that I had diabetes, highblood pressure, high cholesterol, acid reflux and wason three different asthma medications. I was on twoblood pressure medications and my diabetic medicationwas doubled. I was taking one pill for the acidreflux and a double dose of medication for the highcholesterol. The thought that I might die from thesediseases killed me mentally and emotionally because Iknew that my husband was not capable of raising thoseboys by himself should something happened to me. Hewould do it but it is hard as we do not have familyout here. So everyday when I was tempted, I wouldsay, no 10%, no surgery, no surgery...I would surelydie. It became a do or die situation

for me and Iknow that reading this it sounds drastic but my lifeand the medical conditions I faced were drastic. All I can tell you is to pray about the situation andthen if you are tempted to eat something or drinksomething ask yourself this question "will this killme if I don't have it and what is the worst thing thatwill happen if I don't consume it". It got easier andeasier each time but it was hard but one thing I dobelieve in is that you (not just you but all of us)can do ANYTHING if we really want to do it. My familydid not change what they ate to help me because Iasked them not to. They sat before me at dinner timeand had their pizza, burger king, mcdonalds, mexicanfood, you name it. I could not give in. This was mybattle and no one could do this for me except me.Pam, you can do this and when you realize it, you aregonna make it. I wish you luck but then you

don'teven need it because I know that you are going to makeit. Take care.Pam Marsh--- Robynn VanPatten wrote:> Well, I just mean that whatever works. i think Pam> Marsh (who has been awfully quiet lately, Pam???)> did a couple of shakes and one meal each day. I did> that at the end as well. And in the final two or> three days, before I got weighed in, I did protein> shakes only. I don't necessarily think it's the> best thing...but hey, it worked.> > Robynn> > Pamela wrote:> Thanks, Robynn, for the encouragement!> > When you say liquid protein diet, do you mean soley> a liquid protein diet? And if so, would Pro-Complex> work? (Pro-Complex is one of the best on the market,> if you can stand the taste. And good for me, I like> the taste

quite a bit!)> > Pam b> > Robynn VanPatten wrote:> Guys,> > I don't know if this will help...but you need to> readjust this process in your mind. That's how I> finally did it (and I was a major lollygagger on the> weight loss thing). First, I accepted that I needed> a little bit of extra time to work through some kind> of emotional fear I had to the idea of change...the> idea of giving up sweets, my crutch...and the idea> that this is the final frontier, and if it> fails...I'm doomed to life stuck inside this fat> suit.> > So, I gave myself permission to just kind of explore> my thoughts and feelings on the issue. And I quit> fearing that I wouldn't lose the weight. I started> expecting that the weight would come off. If I> drank water, if I watched portions,

if I started> employing the practices I would have to use> afterwards (eat slowly, use a small utensil and a> small plate so that you don't fool yourself about> your portion sizes), stop the caffeine and the diet> soda...just little changes...I knew I would get> there eventually, when I ws ready.> > Finally, I just lit a fire under my fanny, and> decided no more excuses. No more mambsy pambsy. > Just do it. That was my mantra. But, I was ready,> you know? I tiptoed through the tulips for a> while...and then I ran through the fire. Nothing,> no special occasion, no "but it's my favorite> restaurant", nothing derailed me from getting the> final poundage off. There was no excuse big enough.> > I kept telling myself that I coul dput this off> indefinitely...I have the power to do that if I> wish. I can

get thin, and be at the proper> pre-surgery weight...and still decide I'm not ready> for the surgery. That choice was in my hands. As> soon as I grasped that, it wasn't so scary for me to> lose the weight. Because I knew the decision was in> my own hands.> > But really...the only way to do it is no holds> barred. Plan. Get a plan for how you are going to> do it...be it Kaiser's diet, Atkins, liquid protein,> whatever. They all work if you stick to them 100%. > Just choose your method, and don't deviate. Period.> Zero tolerance. That way you know you aren't> sneaking in extra calories...You'll do this when you> are ready, and not a moment before. But it is you> who holds the start button. Press it when you> can...much awaits you on the other side.> > Big kisses,> Robynn>

> Pamela wrote:> yeah, I'm really struggling again as well.... I> sometimes wonder if I'll ever succeed at this. > > Good luck, and Lynn (Hey, where is Ron?)> > Pam b> > wrote:> You are not alone...> > Sorry I cannot offer you any sage advice since I too> am struggling. > Just an understanding shoulder...> > > > > > Hello every one> > > > I am so frustrated with myself. I can't seem to> get the 10% off, so> > I > > can have the surgery--- I am stressing myself out.> Sorry, I had to> > get > > that out of my system. I weight in today at>

Richmond and gain 4> > pounds.> > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > __________________________________________________>

[Guest guest]

What is Plantar facisititus ?

> Hi Ron,

> I can sympathize with you on the Plantar facisititus . I had that

once and

> ended up having one of those painful injections. It did the trick

though. Did

> the doctor recommend Spenco ortho insoles for your shoes. My

orthopedic

> surgeon did and they really make a difference. I have not had the

problem since.

> Have you ever considered water aerobics. It is really one of the

best types of

> exercises for people who have walking issues. It is low impact and

fun. When

> I weighed 357 pounds I was at first very shy but then after a

while I

> realized that everyone is there for the same reason to get

healthy.

> My best wishes fro your sister on her big day. also good luck on

you weigh

> in.

> Ramona

[Guest guest]

No worries, everything is fine. I was just taking a

break and reading...thats all. Everything is good

though...I can't complain. I am still around and plan

on being around.

Take care.

PS: You are going to make it Pam :>)

Pam Marsh

--- Pamela florenceboss@...> wrote:

> Thank you so very, very much, Pam, for the info on

> just how you lost your 10%!! I was hoping that

> someone would get very specific.. And, I am glad to

> see a post from you!! I was beginning to get worried

> about you!

>

> Pam b

>

> Pamela A Marsh sweetnlow20012001@...> wrote:

> Hey Robynn...

>

> Pam B, its me Pam Marsh. Sorry to hear that you are

> struggling but we all did and others will to. You

> are

> not alone.

>

> What I did and I am not advocating that you do this

> but I am just telling you what worked for me. I

> started out on Atkins for two weeks. I dropped 15

> pounds. The next two weeks, I did 2 protein shakes

> (one for breakfast and one for lunch) and for dinner

> I

> had one slice of deli turkey meat and a slice of

> Kraft

> cheese (regular cheese). I did not have any snacks

> and I drank nothing but water. I took off 5 more

> pounds in the two week period. The last 4 pounds

> hung

> on. The last two weeks I drunk only protein shakes

> (3-one for breakfast, one for lunch and the third

> for

> dinner) with no snacking and plenty of water. I

> exercised everyday. I started out with doing a mile

> and a half. As I got stronger, I would walk a lap

> and

> then I would run the next lap. I took my 10% (24

> pounds) off in six weeks. this is not a race....and

> it is going to take some time.

>

> What I tell people now is that you should try and do

> it the healthy way because what I did was not

> healthy

> but I had a time frame that I needed to have this

> surgery done because my husband is in the Navy

> Reserves and was going away in February and I had

> been

> given a surgery date of February 14th and he was due

> to leave on February 19th. I ended up getting a

> earlier date (February 8th) because they new about

> my

> situation. I had my surgery just about two weeks

> prior to his departure.

>

> I had to stop going to lunch with my coworkers and

> friends. I truly learned what it was to be alone.

> I

> did not trust myself to go out to dinner or lunch or

> breakfast with anyone because it would be too easy

> to

> say that " this little bit won't hurt " when in fact

> it

> would. I had to really stay focused and the one

> thing

> that helped me was the fact that I have two autistic

> boys. I reminded myself that I had diabetes, high

> blood pressure, high cholesterol, acid reflux and

> was

> on three different asthma medications. I was on two

> blood pressure medications and my diabetic

> medication

> was doubled. I was taking one pill for the acid

> reflux and a double dose of medication for the high

> cholesterol. The thought that I might die from

> these

> diseases killed me mentally and emotionally because

> I

> knew that my husband was not capable of raising

> those

> boys by himself should something happened to me. He

> would do it but it is hard as we do not have family

> out here. So everyday when I was tempted, I would

> say, no 10%, no surgery, no surgery...I would surely

> die. It became a do or die situation for me and I

> know that reading this it sounds drastic but my life

> and the medical conditions I faced were drastic.

>

> All I can tell you is to pray about the situation

> and

> then if you are tempted to eat something or drink

> something ask yourself this question " will this kill

> me if I don't have it and what is the worst thing

> that

> will happen if I don't consume it " . It got easier

> and

> easier each time but it was hard but one thing I do

> believe in is that you (not just you but all of us)

> can do ANYTHING if we really want to do it. My

> family

> did not change what they ate to help me because I

> asked them not to. They sat before me at dinner

> time

> and had their pizza, burger king, mcdonalds, mexican

> food, you name it. I could not give in. This was

> my

> battle and no one could do this for me except me.

>

> Pam, you can do this and when you realize it, you

> are

> gonna make it. I wish you luck but then you don't

> even need it because I know that you are going to

> make

> it. Take care.

>

> Pam Marsh

>

> --- Robynn VanPatten robynnsf@...> wrote:

>

> > Well, I just mean that whatever works. i think

> Pam

> > Marsh (who has been awfully quiet lately, Pam???)

> > did a couple of shakes and one meal each day. I

> did

> > that at the end as well. And in the final two or

> > three days, before I got weighed in, I did protein

> > shakes only. I don't necessarily think it's the

> > best thing...but hey, it worked.

> >

> > Robynn

> >

> > Pamela florenceboss@...> wrote:

> > Thanks, Robynn, for the encouragement!

> >

> > When you say liquid protein diet, do you mean

> soley

> > a liquid protein diet? And if so, would

> Pro-Complex

> > work? (Pro-Complex is one of the best on the

> market,

> > if you can stand the taste. And good for me, I

> like

> > the taste quite a bit!)

> >

> > Pam b

> >

> > Robynn VanPatten robynnsf@...> wrote:

> > Guys,

> >

> > I don't know if this will help...but you need to

> > readjust this process in your mind. That's how I

> > finally did it (and I was a major lollygagger on

> the

> > weight loss thing). First, I accepted that I

> needed

> > a little bit of extra time to work through some

> kind

> > of emotional fear I had to the idea of

> change...the

> > idea of giving up sweets, my crutch...and the idea

> > that this is the final frontier, and if it

> > fails...I'm doomed to life stuck inside this fat

> > suit.

> >

> > So, I gave myself permission to just kind of

> explore

> > my thoughts and feelings on the issue. And I quit

> > fearing that I wouldn't lose the weight. I

> started

> > expecting that the weight would come off. If I

> > drank water, if I watched portions, if I started

> > employing the practices I would have to use

> > afterwards (eat slowly, use a small utensil and a

> > small plate so that you don't fool yourself about

> > your portion sizes), stop the caffeine and the

> diet

> > soda...just little changes...I knew I would get

> > there eventually, when I ws ready.

> >

> > Finally, I just lit a fire under my fanny, and

> > decided no more excuses. No more mambsy pambsy.

> > Just do it. That was my mantra. But, I was

> ready,

> > you know? I tiptoed through the tulips for a

> > while...and then I ran through the fire. Nothing,

> > no special occasion, no " but it's my favorite

> > restaurant " , nothing derailed me from getting the

> > final poundage off. There was no excuse big

> enough.

> >

> > I kept telling myself that I coul dput this off

> > indefinitely...I have the power to do that if I

> > wish. I can get thin, and be at the proper

> > pre-surgery weight...and still decide I'm not

> ready

> > for the surgery. That choice was in my hands. As

> > soon as I grasped that, it wasn't so scary for me

> to

> > lose the weight. Because I knew the decision was

> in

> > my own hands.

> >

> > But really...the only way to do it is no holds

>

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[Guest guest]

Pam, with Atkins, I am not sure how many calories I

just know that I was not very hungry by day two so

what a standard day for me was like is this:

Breakfast (1 egg white and 1/2 grilled or broiled

chicken breast), lunch (other half of chicken breast

with melted mozzorella cheese - just a sprinkle) and

dinner (hamburger patty with melted american cheese).

I would also rotate and have hamburger patty for

breakfast and then chicken for lunch and dinner. I

would have some string beans, cabbage, collard greens,

turnip greens instead of salad because I don't like

salad or dressing. That is what I ate for the first

two weeks. When I started the next two weeks with the

two protein shakes and one slice of turkey and cheese,

I was getting 300-400 calories in a day which is not

much and not really healthy. I felt fine because I

was totally off carbs except for what was in the

cheese which was not much at all and the protein

shakes had 2 carbs in it. The last two weeks, I got

probably 300 calories in because each shake was 100

calories each and I had 3 and their was 6 grams of

carbs consumed in the entire day because each had only

2 grams of carbs and there was no sugar in the the

shakes. So you see, not very healthy and not very

smart to do but I did because I got desparate and

again, I do not advocate anyone doing this but it

worked for me. I hope you get something that works

for you. Hang in there.

Pam Marsh

--- Pamela florenceboss@...> wrote:

> Can I just ask you another thing about this all

> liquid diet? About how many calories per day were

> you consuming? I have thought about doing strictly

> Pro-Complex, but didn't know how healthy it would

> be.

>

> Pam b

>

> And where is Pam M?

>

> Robynn VanPatten robynnsf@...> wrote:

> Well, I just mean that whatever works. i think Pam

> Marsh (who has been awfully quiet lately, Pam???)

> did a couple of shakes and one meal each day. I did

> that at the end as well. And in the final two or

> three days, before I got weighed in, I did protein

> shakes only. I don't necessarily think it's the

> best thing...but hey, it worked.

>

> Robynn

>

> Pamela florenceboss@...> wrote:

> Thanks, Robynn, for the encouragement!

>

> When you say liquid protein diet, do you mean soley

> a liquid protein diet? And if so, would Pro-Complex

> work? (Pro-Complex is one of the best on the market,

> if you can stand the taste. And good for me, I like

> the taste quite a bit!)

>

> Pam b

>

> Robynn VanPatten robynnsf@...> wrote:

> Guys,

>

> I don't know if this will help...but you need to

> readjust this process in your mind. That's how I

> finally did it (and I was a major lollygagger on the

> weight loss thing). First, I accepted that I needed

> a little bit of extra time to work through some kind

> of emotional fear I had to the idea of change...the

> idea of giving up sweets, my crutch...and the idea

> that this is the final frontier, and if it

> fails...I'm doomed to life stuck inside this fat

> suit.

>

> So, I gave myself permission to just kind of explore

> my thoughts and feelings on the issue. And I quit

> fearing that I wouldn't lose the weight. I started

> expecting that the weight would come off. If I

> drank water, if I watched portions, if I started

> employing the practices I would have to use

> afterwards (eat slowly, use a small utensil and a

> small plate so that you don't fool yourself about

> your portion sizes), stop the caffeine and the diet

> soda...just little changes...I knew I would get

> there eventually, when I ws ready.

>

> Finally, I just lit a fire under my fanny, and

> decided no more excuses. No more mambsy pambsy.

> Just do it. That was my mantra. But, I was ready,

> you know? I tiptoed through the tulips for a

> while...and then I ran through the fire. Nothing,

> no special occasion, no " but it's my favorite

> restaurant " , nothing derailed me from getting the

> final poundage off. There was no excuse big enough.

>

> I kept telling myself that I coul dput this off

> indefinitely...I have the power to do that if I

> wish. I can get thin, and be at the proper

> pre-surgery weight...and still decide I'm not ready

> for the surgery. That choice was in my hands. As

> soon as I grasped that, it wasn't so scary for me to

> lose the weight. Because I knew the decision was in

> my own hands.

>

> But really...the only way to do it is no holds

> barred. Plan. Get a plan for how you are going to

> do it...be it Kaiser's diet, Atkins, liquid protein,

> whatever. They all work if you stick to them 100%.

> Just choose your method, and don't deviate. Period.

> Zero tolerance. That way you know you aren't

> sneaking in extra calories...You'll do this when you

> are ready, and not a moment before. But it is you

> who holds the start button. Press it when you

> can...much awaits you on the other side.

>

> Big kisses,

> Robynn

>

> Pamela florenceboss@...> wrote:

> yeah, I'm really struggling again as well.... I

> sometimes wonder if I'll ever succeed at this.

>

> Good luck, and Lynn (Hey, where is Ron?)

>

> Pam b

>

> onebigscot@...> wrote:

> You are not alone...

>

> Sorry I cannot offer you any sage advice since I too

> am struggling.

> Just an understanding shoulder...

>

>

>

>

> > Hello every one

> >

> > I am so frustrated with myself. I can't seem to

> get the 10% off, so

> > I

> > can have the surgery--- I am stressing myself out.

> Sorry, I had to

> > get

> > that out of my system. I weight in today at

> Richmond and gain 4

> > pounds.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ron,

Try New Balance shoes They are different types you could go to the store the people watch you walk or run and fit the right on to your feet. There is one in Santana Row in San .

After you have them fitted you can buy the pair somewhere else cheep....LOL

Big Hugs

Caryl

Actually, that's what the doctor told me to buy. I haven't done so yet, but I'm going shopping for a new pair of shoes and the insoles on Saturday.

Ron

Caryl DeHerrerawww.Fantasyinart.net

[Guest guest]

I think that your Plan may be a little to extreme for

me, but I am thinking about doing only the shakes... I

don't know. But I have discovered something about

myself, and I remember reading from one of 's

postings that this is a problem for her as well:

Carbs!! It seems that if I allow myself to

over-indulge just a little with a carb, I crave more

and more. And then I eat more and more! I just have to

get back on the stick, as before I started my

" binging " , I was doing so well...

Pam b

--- Pamela A Marsh sweetnlow20012001@...>

wrote:

> Pam, with Atkins, I am not sure how many calories I

> just know that I was not very hungry by day two so

> what a standard day for me was like is this:

> Breakfast (1 egg white and 1/2 grilled or broiled

> chicken breast), lunch (other half of chicken breast

> with melted mozzorella cheese - just a sprinkle) and

> dinner (hamburger patty with melted american

> cheese).

> I would also rotate and have hamburger patty for

> breakfast and then chicken for lunch and dinner. I

> would have some string beans, cabbage, collard

> greens,

> turnip greens instead of salad because I don't like

> salad or dressing. That is what I ate for the first

> two weeks. When I started the next two weeks with

> the

> two protein shakes and one slice of turkey and

> cheese,

> I was getting 300-400 calories in a day which is not

> much and not really healthy. I felt fine because I

> was totally off carbs except for what was in the

> cheese which was not much at all and the protein

> shakes had 2 carbs in it. The last two weeks, I got

> probably 300 calories in because each shake was 100

> calories each and I had 3 and their was 6 grams of

> carbs consumed in the entire day because each had

> only

> 2 grams of carbs and there was no sugar in the the

> shakes. So you see, not very healthy and not very

> smart to do but I did because I got desparate and

> again, I do not advocate anyone doing this but it

> worked for me. I hope you get something that works

> for you. Hang in there.

>

> Pam Marsh

>

> --- Pamela florenceboss@...> wrote:

>

> > Can I just ask you another thing about this all

> > liquid diet? About how many calories per day were

> > you consuming? I have thought about doing strictly

> > Pro-Complex, but didn't know how healthy it would

> > be.

> >

> > Pam b

> >

> > And where is Pam M?

> >

> > Robynn VanPatten robynnsf@...> wrote:

> > Well, I just mean that whatever works. i think

> Pam

> > Marsh (who has been awfully quiet lately, Pam???)

> > did a couple of shakes and one meal each day. I

> did

> > that at the end as well. And in the final two or

> > three days, before I got weighed in, I did protein

> > shakes only. I don't necessarily think it's the

> > best thing...but hey, it worked.

> >

> > Robynn

> >

> > Pamela florenceboss@...> wrote:

> > Thanks, Robynn, for the encouragement!

> >

> > When you say liquid protein diet, do you mean

> soley

> > a liquid protein diet? And if so, would

> Pro-Complex

> > work? (Pro-Complex is one of the best on the

> market,

> > if you can stand the taste. And good for me, I

> like

> > the taste quite a bit!)

> >

> > Pam b

> >

> > Robynn VanPatten robynnsf@...> wrote:

> > Guys,

> >

> > I don't know if this will help...but you need to

> > readjust this process in your mind. That's how I

> > finally did it (and I was a major lollygagger on

> the

> > weight loss thing). First, I accepted that I

> needed

> > a little bit of extra time to work through some

> kind

> > of emotional fear I had to the idea of

> change...the

> > idea of giving up sweets, my crutch...and the idea

> > that this is the final frontier, and if it

> > fails...I'm doomed to life stuck inside this fat

> > suit.

> >

> > So, I gave myself permission to just kind of

> explore

> > my thoughts and feelings on the issue. And I quit

> > fearing that I wouldn't lose the weight. I

> started

> > expecting that the weight would come off. If I

> > drank water, if I watched portions, if I started

> > employing the practices I would have to use

> > afterwards (eat slowly, use a small utensil and a

> > small plate so that you don't fool yourself about

> > your portion sizes), stop the caffeine and the

> diet

> > soda...just little changes...I knew I would get

> > there eventually, when I ws ready.

> >

> > Finally, I just lit a fire under my fanny, and

> > decided no more excuses. No more mambsy pambsy.

> > Just do it. That was my mantra. But, I was

> ready,

> > you know? I tiptoed through the tulips for a

> > while...and then I ran through the fire. Nothing,

> > no special occasion, no " but it's my favorite

> > restaurant " , nothing derailed me from getting the

> > final poundage off. There was no excuse big

> enough.

> >

> > I kept telling myself that I coul dput this off

> > indefinitely...I have the power to do that if I

> > wish. I can get thin, and be at the proper

> > pre-surgery weight...and still decide I'm not

> ready

> > for the surgery. That choice was in my hands. As

> > soon as I grasped that, it wasn't so scary for me

> to

> > lose the weight. Because I knew the decision was

> in

> > my own hands.

> >

> > But really...the only way to do it is no holds

> > barred. Plan. Get a plan for how you are going

> to

> > do it...be it Kaiser's diet, Atkins, liquid

> protein,

> > whatever. They all work if you stick to them

> 100%.

> > Just choose your method, and don't deviate.

> Period.

> > Zero tolerance. That way you know you aren't

> > sneaking in extra calories...You'll do this when

> you

> > are ready, and not a moment before. But it is you

> > who holds the start button. Press it when you

> > can...much awaits you on the other side.

> >

> > Big kisses,

> > Robynn

> >

> > Pamela florenceboss@...> wrote:

> > yeah, I'm really struggling again as well.... I

> > sometimes wonder if I'll ever succeed at this.

> >

> > Good luck, and Lynn (Hey, where is Ron?)

> >

> > Pam b

> >

> > onebigscot@...> wrote:

> > You are not alone...

> >

> > Sorry I cannot offer you any sage advice since I

> too

> > am struggling.

> > Just an understanding shoulder...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Hello every one

> > >

> > > I am so frustrated with myself. I can't seem to

> > get the 10% off, so

> > > I

> > > can have the surgery--- I am stressing myself

> out.

> > Sorry, I had to

> > > get

> > > that out of my system. I weight in today at

> > Richmond and gain 4

> > > pounds.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home

> page

> > __________________________________________________

> >