B vitamins

[Guest guest]

Hello Everybody - I have a question for the experts. I have read that bacteria

in the gut are resonsible for the production of some vitamins, including vitamin

B. Does that mean that all of the vitamin B comes from the gut? And if you

take a supplement vitamin B, does it do any good if you lack the correct gut

bacteria? I am interested in this because I have nervous/mental issues and

know that B vits are crucial.

I guess that vitamin supplements are illegal on the diet......

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I’m not an expert by no means but I can answer your last

thought. Vitamins and supplements are not illegal on the diet. Elaine lists

what she recommends we take, in her book. If there are no “illiegal”

ingredients in your vitamins or supplements, than you can take them. Having

said that, proceed with caution, one at a time, as you would with a new food.

Good luck,

SCD 19 mths

From: BTVC-SCD

[mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of

Sent: November-24-09 1:04 PM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: B vitamins

Hello Everybody - I have a question for the

experts. I have read that bacteria in the gut are resonsible for the production

of some vitamins, including vitamin B. Does that mean that all of the vitamin B

comes from the gut? And if you take a supplement vitamin B, does it do any good

if you lack the correct gut bacteria? I am interested in this because I have

nervous/mental issues and know that B vits are crucial.

I guess that vitamin supplements are illegal on the diet......

[Guest guest]

, we get vitamin B from other food sources. Meat is a good source of vitamin

B. The B vitamins are cofactors in metabolic processes. I don't know if gut

bacteria manufacture them, or just use them in their metabolism. Freeda vitamins

are legal.

PJ

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> Hi ,

>

> I'm not an expert by no means but I can answer your last thought.

> Vitamins and supplements are not illegal on the diet. Elaine lists what

> she recommends we take, in her book. If there are no " illiegal "

> ingredients in your vitamins or supplements, than you can take them.

> Having said that, proceed with caution, one at a time, as you would with

> a new food.

>

> Good luck,

>

>

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> SCD 19 mths

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> From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On

> Behalf Of

> Sent: November-24-09 1:04 PM

> To: BTVC-SCD

> Subject: B vitamins

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>

> Hello Everybody - I have a question for the experts. I have read that

> bacteria in the gut are resonsible for the production of some vitamins,

> including vitamin B. Does that mean that all of the vitamin B comes from

> the gut? And if you take a supplement vitamin B, does it do any good if

> you lack the correct gut bacteria? I am interested in this because I

> have nervous/mental issues and know that B vits are crucial.

>

> I guess that vitamin supplements are illegal on the diet......

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

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There is a lot of noise out there about B vitamins in general and gut health..

some say too much feed the bad gut bugs..

Some say it is integral for gut health as vitamins like B12 are absorbed in the

intestine. Since we come in having diseased intestine our absorption lacks.

It is best to get it B12/B complex in a shot. I self inject.

B12 isn't even absorbed orally and like the rest of the B's we only get about

%15 out of a capsule.

It is good to take any B along with a B complex.

Not gonna comment on adding folate into the mix since the recent JAMA study.

Jodi

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> Hello Everybody - I have a question for the experts. I have read that

bacteria in the gut are resonsible for the production of some vitamins,

including vitamin B. Does that mean that all of the vitamin B comes from the

gut? And if you take a supplement vitamin B, does it do any good if you lack

the correct gut bacteria? I am interested in this because I have

nervous/mental issues and know that B vits are crucial.

>

> I guess that vitamin supplements are illegal on the diet......

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 06:09 AM 11/25/2009, you wrote:

Not gonna comment on adding

folate into the mix since the recent JAMA study.

Could you point me at the study?

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Marilyn,

My doc emailed it out;

http://mediasyndicate.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=14943&theme=Print\

er

Here is the study she quoted;

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/short/302/19/2119?home

Jodi

I take Folate/B12/B complex injections.

> >Not gonna comment on adding folate into the mix since the recent JAMA study.

>

> Could you point me at the study?

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

[Guest guest]

Hm. Interesting. This brings to mind a study done several years back that showed increased risk of lung cancer for smokers who supplement betacarotene (prestudy betacarotene levels were also found to be protective against cancer, which is what lead researchers to investigate whether supplementation is helpful.) http://tinyurl.com/yl97rrwJodi, do you plan to alter your supplementation regimen as a result of this study?Thanks for sharing the information,Nina in MA

Marilyn,

My doc emailed it out;

http://mediasyndica te.com/index. php?name= News & file= article & sid= 14943 & theme= Printer

Here is the study she quoted;

http://jama. ama-assn. org/cgi/content/ short/302/ 19/2119?home

Jodi

I take Folate/B12/B complex injections.

[Guest guest]

thanks everybody - I hadn't realised Elaine's book mentions them. In the

Natasha Macbride book she recommends B3 in massive doses - 3G - for

psychological issues. There seem to be quite a few naturopathic/orthomolecular

drs putting this forward.

I guess if a supplement contains yeast it's no good in the SCD diet?

To inject vitamin B do you have to be under a doctor's sueprvision in the US?

I'm in the UK and I'm sure my doctor wouldn't do it. Can I ask what condition

you inject vitamin B for?

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > I'm not an expert by no means but I can answer your last thought.

> > Vitamins and supplements are not illegal on the diet. Elaine lists what

> > she recommends we take, in her book. If there are no " illiegal "

> > ingredients in your vitamins or supplements, than you can take them.

> > Having said that, proceed with caution, one at a time, as you would with

> > a new food.

> >

> > Good luck,

> >

> >

> >

> > SCD 19 mths

> >

> >

> >

> > From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On

> > Behalf Of

> > Sent: November-24-09 1:04 PM

> > To: BTVC-SCD

> > Subject: B vitamins

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hello Everybody - I have a question for the experts. I have read that

> > bacteria in the gut are resonsible for the production of some vitamins,

> > including vitamin B. Does that mean that all of the vitamin B comes from

> > the gut? And if you take a supplement vitamin B, does it do any good if

> > you lack the correct gut bacteria? I am interested in this because I

> > have nervous/mental issues and know that B vits are crucial.

> >

> > I guess that vitamin supplements are illegal on the diet......

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nina..

I have to do some research..

Studies don't scare me and it is important for me to see the parameters the

studies are conducted in. It's all relative is what I am trying to say.

I do mostly B12/B complex since colon resection.

And I do folate like a couple of times a month.

Also, should speak to my doc about this to see where her head is at about this

subject and my situation.

Jodi

>

> Hm. Interesting. This brings to mind a study done several years back that

showed increased risk of lung cancer for smokers who supplement betacarotene

(prestudy betacarotene levels were also found to be protective against cancer,

which is what lead researchers to investigate whether supplementation is

helpful.)

> http://tinyurl.com/yl97rrw

>

> Jodi, do you plan to alter your supplementation regimen as a result of this

study?

>

> Thanks for sharing the information,

> Nina in MA

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> Marilyn,

>

> My doc emailed it out;

>

> http://mediasyndica te.com/index. php?name= News&file= article&sid=

14943&theme= Printer

>

> Here is the study she quoted;

>

> http://jama. ama-assn. org/cgi/content/ short/302/ 19/2119?home

>

> Jodi

>

> I take Folate/B12/B complex injections.

>

[Guest guest]

I self-inject Vitamin B12, cyanocobala, 1 ml, once a month. I

have Crohn’s. People with CD don’t have what is called Intrinsic Factor,

a substance produced in the stomach (if I remember correctly) that is necessary

for the transportation and absorption of B12. I had to get a prescription from

my doctor for the serum. Also In addition to the B12 shots I take a SCD legal, Freeda

brand B-Complex. As well as 1 Freeda Multi/day. Not sure if you have a source

of Freeda Vitamins in the U.K.

The only yeast allowed on SCD is Saccharomyces boulardii, a

community-minded yeast that some use to battle candida. Otherwise, no yeast of

any kind.

Here is a list of legal/illegal ingredients in supplements,

halfway down the page: http://www.pecanbread.com/p/Sup1.html

Carol

CD 21 yrs SCD 5 yrs

From:

BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of

I guess if a supplement contains yeast it's no good in the SCD diet?

To inject vitamin B do you have to be under a doctor's

sueprvision in the US? I'm in the UK and I'm sure my doctor wouldn't do it. Can

I ask what condition you inject vitamin B for?

[Guest guest]

,

I'm no expert, but I can share with you my own experience. Everything I've read

indicates that supplemental B-12 can be helpful. A lot of the information is

simply anecdotal from the web, but I have seen some studies that show that B-12

can be medically helpful. I had a friend call me yesterday from the East Coast

to tell me how wonderfully B-12 shots were helping with her own Chronic Fatigue.

She is taking cyanocobalamin, which is probably the most commonly available B-12

on the market, but which is supposed to be less effective that methylcobalamin

(cyano B-12 has to convert to methyl B-12 in the body). Cyanocobalamin

injections are available without a prescription from the Canadian and Mexican

pharmacies you can find on the web, but I haven't been able to track down a

non-prescription source on-line for methyl B-12 shots.

It's a reasonably safe thing to do...if you do too much of it, it is simply

excreted through your urine, although I do imagine that doing too much could be

an unpleasant experience. Methylcobalmin is available over the counter as pills

and sublinguals, but it appears the pills aren't very effective and the

sublinguals, while more so, have a ton of non-legal stuff in them. Injectable

methyl B-12 is available in this county with a prescription, but there are only

certain compounding pharmacies that handle it. Another intriguing idea is the

methyl B-12 nasal spray. The prescription can come from either a Doctor or a

licensed nutritionist, but again, only available at certain pharmacies.

My B-12 level was about 230 before SCD, and it is now, after eight months on SCD

with no B-12 supplementation, during which time I switched from lacto-ovo

vegetarianism to meat-oriented SCD, is now 470. I'm going to start methyl B-12

soon (unfortunately, the doctor I'm working with sent me the wrong prescription

recently, one that had a laundry list of scary ingredients, including

lidocaine).

I'm haven't looked at the folate study Jodi referenced, but I tested high on my

folate levels, so I don't supplement with that. It's a great idea to get tested

to determine what you actually need.

And the nervous/mental issues get better on the diet. As your gut heals, you

will be able to better generate B-12, but more importantly, you will be able to

synthesize serotonin again, a process I believe gets damaged by our illnesses.

I know I had some significant anxiety issues for years before all of this came

down, and they were pretty much gone after six months on the diet. Some anxiety

has returned after a setback caused by antibiotics, but losing any portion of it

has been one of the unexpected pleasures of this diet.

Good luck,

Ellen

> > Hello Everybody - I have a question for the experts. I have read that

bacteria in the gut are resonsible for the production of some vitamins,

including vitamin B. Does that mean that all of the vitamin B comes from the

gut? And if you take a supplement vitamin B, does it do any good if you lack

the correct gut bacteria? I am interested in this because I have

nervous/mental issues and know that B vits are crucial.

> >

> > I guess that vitamin supplements are illegal on the diet......

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have had B12 shots for years. At first it was because my gut issues

were so bad I had twenty years without a scrap of protein, pretty

miserable for me and my hypoglycemia. I don't ever want to go through

anything like that again. I am still having DH give me the shots

approximately every five days. These are high potency. Mostly I use

cyanocobalamin, sometimes methyl. I find a real difference between

the two. Cyano gives me an energy boost for that day so I try to time

them for a day I have to go out into the big bad world. The methyl

doesn't give me a boost like that but it seems to last more evenly

for a few days. I've never had a bit of side effects from taking

these and two doctors over the years have approved it. Can't say I

enjoy being stuck, but they sure help.