Petition is just plain silly

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I'm baaaaack! While I appreciate the sentiment behind wanting to support

Deb, the people who are promoting this petition should realize by now that

it's nothing more than a token effort. Bombarding this list with

petition-related messages isn't going to accomplish a thing. isn't

going to change her stance based on any petition. I nor are inclined

to advise to change a thing. How about we let the petition crap die

now, please?

There are about 1250 people on this list, and a tiny handful are

perpetuating this thing. Further, only a miniscule perentage of list members

have felt moved to put their name on the petition. That alone should tell

how fruitless this whole thing is. We care about Deb. The petition thing,

however, is just plain silly. The list does not need to be turned into a

crusade against any doctor, and I think the vast majority of the list

members concur.

Up until now, this list has been unmoderated, and the archives have NEVER,

EVER been retroactively edited (except in one case when a spammer sent

bloody war pictures to the list and I did delete them from the archive).

But, I'm almost at the point now where I'm ready to go in to the archives

and delete all the petition crap. It's sooooo off topic for this list. It's

distracting and it's just plain silly.

Supporting Deb isn't off-topic. The petition stuff is off topic. I'm tired

of seeing it. If it keeps up, I'm ready to start start deleting them from

the archive. It's just so much flotsam, and no petition is going to

accomplish anything. If the few people who insist on perpetuating this

petition issue would take that energy and direct it in a PRODUCTIVE way,

maybe someone would benefit. Deb, and Deb alone, chooses not to post here.

If and when she chooses to post without incendiary comments, we are here for

her 100% and those posts will be welcomed here.

M.

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in Valrico, FL, age 38

Starting weight 299, now 156

Starting BMI 49.7, now 26.0

Lap DGB/DS by Dr. Rabkin 10-19-99

http://www.duodenalswitch.com

Direct replies: mailto:melanie@...

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[Guest guest]

Yay.

Petition is just plain silly

> I'm baaaaack! While I appreciate the sentiment behind wanting to support

> Deb, the people who are promoting this petition should realize by now that

> it's nothing more than a token effort. Bombarding this list with

> petition-related messages isn't going to accomplish a thing.

isn't

> going to change her stance based on any petition. I nor are

inclined

> to advise to change a thing. How about we let the petition crap

die

> now, please?

>

> There are about 1250 people on this list, and a tiny handful are

> perpetuating this thing. Further, only a miniscule perentage of list

members

> have felt moved to put their name on the petition. That alone should tell

> how fruitless this whole thing is. We care about Deb. The petition thing,

> however, is just plain silly. The list does not need to be turned into a

> crusade against any doctor, and I think the vast majority of the list

> members concur.

>

> Up until now, this list has been unmoderated, and the archives have NEVER,

> EVER been retroactively edited (except in one case when a spammer sent

> bloody war pictures to the list and I did delete them from the archive).

> But, I'm almost at the point now where I'm ready to go in to the archives

> and delete all the petition crap. It's sooooo off topic for this list.

It's

> distracting and it's just plain silly.

>

> Supporting Deb isn't off-topic. The petition stuff is off topic. I'm tired

> of seeing it. If it keeps up, I'm ready to start start deleting them from

> the archive. It's just so much flotsam, and no petition is going to

> accomplish anything. If the few people who insist on perpetuating this

> petition issue would take that energy and direct it in a PRODUCTIVE way,

> maybe someone would benefit. Deb, and Deb alone, chooses not to post here.

> If and when she chooses to post without incendiary comments, we are here

for

> her 100% and those posts will be welcomed here.

>

> M.

>

> ---

> in Valrico, FL, age 38

> Starting weight 299, now 156

> Starting BMI 49.7, now 26.0

> Lap DGB/DS by Dr. Rabkin 10-19-99

> http://www.duodenalswitch.com

>

> Direct replies: mailto:melanie@...

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

> ...While I appreciate the sentiment behind wanting to support

> Deb, the people who are promoting this petition should realize by now that

> it's nothing more than a token effort. Bombarding this list with

> petition-related messages isn't going to accomplish a thing....

i can't speak for everyone involved, but i know a number of us knew from the

beginning that this petition wouldn't result in deb being returned to uncensored

status. that doesn't make it any less important. as rich said, it is one's

constitutional right to protest when one feels that one's freedom of speech has

been

impeded. a petition is a peaceful protest. so in my opinion, it's far from

futile and in fact is very meaningful, regardless of the results or of the

number of

participants. and i would still invite others who share this view, as well as

those stated in the petition, to add their signatures. it can be found at

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/duodenalswitch/files/%2A%2APETITION%20AGAINST%20CE\

NSORSHIP%2A%2A/

> ....I'm almost at the point now where I'm ready to go in to the archives

> and delete all the petition crap. It's sooooo off topic for this list. It's

> distracting and it's just plain silly....

further measures to impinge upon free speech would only serve to reinforce the

point of the petition, that each individual's voice is important and should be

heard

rather than policed. as for being off topic any time people gather to share,

freedom of speech is an issue. as for it being distracting, you are free to

ignore

it, post around it, and, exercising your free speech, attempt to discredit it.

and if you wish, you can further violate people's right to free speech and

destroy

it. and should it vanish from site, than list members will know that is what

happened and perhaps then understand it's meaning.

erika

>

> Message: 25

> Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 15:18:52 EDT

> From: inSLO@...

> Subject: Re: Clothing Commiseration

>

> Virtually all of my clothes for the past ten years have come from Making It

> Big, a mail order company in California. They use large models for their

> clothes, which helps see what they're like. And I'm 5'10 " and their stuff

> fits great. They're especially good for office wear, but I also like their

> jeans and I use their sports bras as my everyday bras. Visit them online at:

> http://www.makingitbigonline.com/

>

> L.

> Dr. K

> 6/26 (I hope!)

>

> >> Sympathy here! I am a size 28-30 and have trouble finding clothes

> >> that fit. My biggest problem is I am 6 feet tall and while things

> >> may fit width-wise, they are almost always too short. Pants always

> >> look like capris, long sleeves are 3/4 length on me!

> >

> >Hey Terri-- I am 5'2 " and have just the opposite problem! Pants are always

> >

> >6 " too long at a minimum, and lately, dresses are practically dragging

> >on the

> >ground.--and Sleeves! always too tight in the upper arm and hanging over

> >my

> >finger tips. Proportions are inevitably wrong for me-- I wind up looking

> >like

> >I am wearing my father's clothes, especially in suits. My local Lane

> >

> >has turned suddenly into land of the Trendoid-- way too weird colors and

> >

> >fabrics (Can't say I ever looked good in shinny lime green polyester)--

> >And

> >since I am 49 and work in a law office, it does me no good what so ever.

> > My

> >best choices have come from the catalogs-- at least it saves wear and tear

> >on

> >my knee joints-- Lane , Romans, sometimes Regalia but it tends to

> >be

> >too polyester double-knit, Junonia, and Silhouettes-- got to be picky and

> >got

> >to check brands-- but after a very long time, I have gotten so I am seldom

> >

> >mistaken about what will work and what won't-- I even get my shoes thru

> >

> >catalogs-- double wide and in festive colors, even. (Teal, not lime green,

> >

> >please)

> >I am surprised, though, that Portland isn't more productive than the Oregon

> >

> >Coast for shops.

> >I have a friend who is probably a woman's size 18 who has a lot of luck

> >at

> >local independent boutiques -- but most of them don't get anywhere near

> >the

> >26 and up sizes. If I had more time, I would sew my own stuff more often

> >

> >than I do -- Nan E. (who really likes cotton and cotton blends above all

> >

> >other fabrics, except silk).

> >

> >--------------------

> >In a message dated 5/25/01 11:48:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> >

> >bunsofluff@... writes:

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Sympathy here! I am a

> >size 28-30 and have trouble finding clothes

> >

> >that fit. My biggest problem is I am 6 feet tall and while things

> >

> >

> >may fit width-wise, they are almost always too short. Pants always

> >

> >

> >look like capris, long sleeves are 3/4 length on me!

> >

> >

> >

> >Hey Terri-- I am 5'2 " and have just the opposite problem! Pants are

> >always

> >

> >6 " too long at a minimum, and lately, dresses are practically dragging

> >on the

> >

> >ground.--and Sleeves! always too tight in the upper arm and hanging over

> >my

> >

> >finger tips. Proportions are inevitably wrong for me-- I wind up looking

> >like

> >

> >I am wearing my father's clothes, especially in suits. My local Lane

> >

> >

> >has turned suddenly into land of the Trendoid-- way too weird colors and

> >

> >

> >fabrics (Can't say I ever looked good in shinny lime green polyester)--

> >And

> >

> >since I am 49 and work in a law office, it does me no good what so ever.

> > My

> >

> >best choices have come from the catalogs-- at least it saves wear and tear

> >on

> >

> >my knee joints-- Lane , Romans, sometimes Regalia but it tends to

> >be

> >

> >too polyester double-knit, Junonia, and Silhouettes-- got to be picky and

> >got

> >

> >to check brands-- but after a very long time, I have gotten so I am seldom

> >

> >

> >mistaken about what will work and what won't-- I even get my shoes thru

> >

> >

> >catalogs-- double wide and in festive colors, even. (Teal, not lime green,

> >

> >

> >please)

> >

> >I am surprised, though, that Portland isn't more productive than the Oregon

> >

> >

> >Coast for shops.

> >

> >I have a friend who is probably a woman's size 18 who has a lot of luck

> >at

> >

> >local independent boutiques -- but most of them don't get anywhere near

> >the

> >

> >26 and up sizes. If I had more time, I would sew my own stuff more

> >often

> >

> >than I do -- Nan E. (who really likes cotton and cotton blends above all

> >

> >

> >other fabrics, except silk).

> >

> >

> >

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> >