Newbie: Trying to measure progress - Help!

[Guest guest]

Hi-

I seem to have different problem than most people here in the sense I don't have

as much D-ra but mostly firm, blood-covered stools. Can someone with similar

experience or otherwise help?

This thing started again two weeks ago after being on remission due to

Imuran/Pentasa for 3 years -- 3-4 BMs/day with bloody stools and sometimes fresh

blood.

I started on SCD ~8 days ago. I take BTVC chicken soup, broiled fish, yogurt,

grape juice. I tried introducing zucchini and spinach (well-cooked) over the

last week. The BM frequency increases because of veggies but it is still bloody

firm stools. I have 2-3 BMs/day with firm stools kinda covered in blood. This

hasn't changed. So, how do I measure progress or what doesn't work for me?

I think SCD has helped but not dramatically like I read in success stories....

Or I don't know if its because I eat less??

Should I just continue introducing different veggies every other day and see

what makes it worse or keeps it status quo, at least?

Andy

UC 3.5 years.

[Guest guest]

Hi Andy,

I will share my experience with starting the diet and progress measurement. First of all at the first stage of the diet I was not eating as many items as you ( especially no vegetables except the ones from chicken soup). I ate chicken broth with carrots (carbs) and chicken (protein) for 7 days (as introductory stage of the diet- read the book "Breaking vicious cycle", it all there...) then I started adding new foods such as broiled fish+ butter, farmer's cheese, eggs and carrots ( from soup), then only zucchini. I was not adding more then one item per every 2-3 days ( if no reaction). Progress measurement: I have recorded every day what I ate, how much, if I had a pain , gas, Bowl movements and etc., including activity level ( sleepy?). The healing process was a slow one but now I am healthy and strong!!!

I hope it helps,

A

Subject: Newbie: Trying to measure progress - Help!To: BTVC-SCD Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 12:26 PM

Hi-I seem to have different problem than most people here in the sense I don't have as much D-ra but mostly firm, blood-covered stools. Can someone with similar experience or otherwise help? This thing started again two weeks ago after being on remission due to Imuran/Pentasa for 3 years -- 3-4 BMs/day with bloody stools and sometimes fresh blood.I started on SCD ~8 days ago. I take BTVC chicken soup, broiled fish, yogurt, grape juice. I tried introducing zucchini and spinach (well-cooked) over the last week. The BM frequency increases because of veggies but it is still bloody firm stools. I have 2-3 BMs/day with firm stools kinda covered in blood. This hasn't changed. So, how do I measure progress or what doesn't work for me?I think SCD has helped but not dramatically like I read in success stories.... Or I don't know if its because I eat less??Should I just continue introducing different veggies every

other day and see what makes it worse or keeps it status quo, at least?AndyUC 3.5 years.

[Guest guest]

Hi Andy,

The " dramatic " success stories happen over time. SCD is a slow process. I could

not tolerate spinach or carrots at the beginning. I have just been brave enough

to try cooked carrots again after 7 months on SCD and yay- I can. Everyone is

different with what they can tolerate. Go slow, and keep a food diary. You may

want to puree the vegetables at first- I still puree spinach, and cook all

vegetables until very soft.

Expect ups and downs, but a general trend for the better. Look for slow

progress, not a dramatic cure.

Welcome and hang in there!

PJ

>

>

> From: Andy Ram

> Subject: Newbie: Trying to measure progress - Help!

> To: BTVC-SCD

> Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 12:26 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

> Hi-

>

> I seem to have different problem than most people here in the sense I don't

have as much D-ra but mostly firm, blood-covered stools. Can someone with

similar experience or otherwise help?

>

> This thing started again two weeks ago after being on remission due to

Imuran/Pentasa for 3 years -- 3-4 BMs/day with bloody stools and sometimes fresh

blood.

>

> I started on SCD ~8 days ago. I take BTVC chicken soup, broiled fish, yogurt,

grape juice. I tried introducing zucchini and spinach (well-cooked) over the

last week. The BM frequency increases because of veggies but it is still bloody

firm stools. I have 2-3 BMs/day with firm stools kinda covered in blood. This

hasn't changed. So, how do I measure progress or what doesn't work for me?

>

> I think SCD has helped but not dramatically like I read in success stories....

Or I don't know if its because I eat less??

>

> Should I just continue introducing different veggies every other day and see

what makes it worse or keeps it status quo, at least?

>

> Andy

> UC 3.5 years.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your replies.

My concerns, which you might have had, about going slowly are: (1) I am worried

if I will get enough nutrition over a period of one or two months, and (2) I end

up feeling hungry almost all the time.

How did you guys manage these?

[Guest guest]

At 10:23 PM 11/26/2009, you wrote:

My concerns, which you might

have had, about going slowly are: (1) I am worried if I will get enough

nutrition over a period of one or two months, and (2) I end up feeling

hungry almost all the time.

I came to SCD right after emergency gall bladder surgery. I ended up

eating roast beef, roast pork, soft-boiled eggs (first with butter, then

with shredded cheddar) and steamed zucchini. For a number of

weeks.

One thing to be aware of: while vegetables are a good and worthy thing,

and a variety of vegetables can ultimately contribute to good health,

they are NOT utterly critical as part of the daily diet.

Hope you'll forgive me for dragging my Dachshund Duo in here, but they

ARE my furkids! Over the Christmas Shopping Frenzy Season in 2002, I was

working two extra days a week and flat forgot to grind enough vegetables

for the bratlings to last the season. (It happened again in 2005, after

Hurricane Katrina, when I was working full time and our electricity

service was, to say the least, dicey.)

Dogs don't have the flat grinding surfaces we humans do for mashing and

breaking up vegetables so the nutrients can be extracted; wild canids

normally get their veggies pre-digested from the stomachs of their prey.

To simulate this, I grind/puree various vegetables, and pack them into

ice cube trays, freeze and store the cubes, and then they get two cubes

of veggies and one cube of red meat (bison if I can get it, venison,

ground round, sometimes liver) for their breakfast.

We ran out of veggies the second week of December, so Harry just gave

them extra meat for their breakfast. (They get raw, meaty bones for

dinner, and get their minerals from the bones.) By the time the Shopping

Frenzy was over (after New Year's) and I was back on a normal schedule

and ground the veggies, my crew was delighted to see them. In fact, they

begged a small bowl of them right there as I was preparing them.

BUT -- my point is that they didn't suffer any ill health from going a

month or so without fresh vegetables.

We are so conditioned by modern agro-business that we absolutely have to

have every meal properly balanced (because they want us to buy their

products!) that we sometimes forget that for many hundreds of years our

food came in cycles dictated by the seasons of the year -- which could

include no green vegetables for up to five months at a time, since if you

couldn't grow it and store it, you couldn't eat it.

We are also conditioned by modern agro-business that we must have

variety. Our ancestors couldn't import food from all over the globe,

although all of theirs WAS organic and free-range! <grin>

Before panicking about variety and so forth, give poor guts a chance to

heal a bit more -- and for the new SCDer to detox from their starch and

sugar addictions.

When I started SCD, I could not tolerate carrots at all. They tasted

nasty to me. (Peas still taste nasty.) They also came through my system

in big, undigested lumps if I forced myself to eat them. After 16 months

on SCD, carrots no longer tasted nasty -- and they no longer came through

undigested.

The key to this is not a balanced meal every meal, not even a DAILY

balanced diet, but BALANCE OVER TIME. For my Dachshund Duo, the four

weeks they went without veggies was about the equivalent of going four

months without them in a human. (Dogs' pregnancies are 9 weeks, not 9

months.) And they were just FINE. In fact, they were so delighted to have

veggies back as part of the menu that I was able to sneak a couple of new

veggies in on them -- they're a finicky, spoiled rotten pair of bratlings

who want certain foods at certain times of the day! <grin> And I am

a very indulgent Dachshund Mom, although THEY are convinced I am abusing

them when I don't let them have grain-filled commercial dog

treats.

Something to think about....

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Marilyn,You are so smart! We were raised a little differently when I was growing up. We did eat a large portion from our own garden, but you are right. Modern methods have really influenced the way we perceive things. Recently, we have not been having as much veggies -- I am running out of ideas and variety! Mostly it is a puree with soup and a meat--but I was feeling guilty for not getting in those veggies. Thanks for relieving me of the guilt! ; )Amelia.

[Guest guest]

You are a good Mom!!

PJ

> >My concerns, which you might have had, about

> >going slowly are: (1) I am worried if I will get

> >enough nutrition over a period of one or two

> >months, and (2) I end up feeling hungry almost all the time.

>

> I came to SCD right after emergency gall bladder

> surgery. I ended up eating roast beef, roast

> pork, soft-boiled eggs (first with butter, then

> with shredded cheddar) and steamed zucchini. For a number of weeks.

>

> One thing to be aware of: while vegetables are a

> good and worthy thing, and a variety of

> vegetables can ultimately contribute to good

> health, they are NOT utterly critical as part of the daily diet.

>

> Hope you'll forgive me for dragging my Dachshund

> Duo in here, but they ARE my furkids! Over the

> Christmas Shopping Frenzy Season in 2002, I was

> working two extra days a week and flat forgot to

> grind enough vegetables for the bratlings to last

> the season. (It happened again in 2005, after

> Hurricane Katrina, when I was working full time

> and our electricity service was, to say the least, dicey.)

>

> Dogs don't have the flat grinding surfaces we

> humans do for mashing and breaking up vegetables

> so the nutrients can be extracted; wild canids

> normally get their veggies pre-digested from the

> stomachs of their prey. To simulate this, I

> grind/puree various vegetables, and pack them

> into ice cube trays, freeze and store the cubes,

> and then they get two cubes of veggies and one

> cube of red meat (bison if I can get it, venison,

> ground round, sometimes liver) for their breakfast.

>

> We ran out of veggies the second week of

> December, so Harry just gave them extra meat for

> their breakfast. (They get raw, meaty bones for

> dinner, and get their minerals from the bones.)

> By the time the Shopping Frenzy was over (after

> New Year's) and I was back on a normal schedule

> and ground the veggies, my crew was delighted to

> see them. In fact, they begged a small bowl of

> them right there as I was preparing them.

>

> BUT -- my point is that they didn't suffer any

> ill health from going a month or so without fresh vegetables.

>

> We are so conditioned by modern agro-business

> that we absolutely have to have every meal

> properly balanced (because they want us to buy

> their products!) that we sometimes forget that

> for many hundreds of years our food came in

> cycles dictated by the seasons of the year --

> which could include no green vegetables for up to

> five months at a time, since if you couldn't grow

> it and store it, you couldn't eat it.

>

> We are also conditioned by modern agro-business

> that we must have variety. Our ancestors couldn't

> import food from all over the globe, although all

> of theirs WAS organic and free-range!

>

> Before panicking about variety and so forth, give

> poor guts a chance to heal a bit more -- and for

> the new SCDer to detox from their starch and sugar addictions.

>

> When I started SCD, I could not tolerate carrots

> at all. They tasted nasty to me. (Peas still

> taste nasty.) They also came through my system in

> big, undigested lumps if I forced myself to eat

> them. After 16 months on SCD, carrots no longer

> tasted nasty -- and they no longer came through undigested.

>

> The key to this is not a balanced meal every

> meal, not even a DAILY balanced diet, but BALANCE

> OVER TIME. For my Dachshund Duo, the four weeks

> they went without veggies was about the

> equivalent of going four months without them in a

> human. (Dogs' pregnancies are 9 weeks, not 9

> months.) And they were just FINE. In fact, they

> were so delighted to have veggies back as part of

> the menu that I was able to sneak a couple of new

> veggies in on them -- they're a finicky, spoiled

> rotten pair of bratlings who want certain foods

> at certain times of the day! And I am a

> very indulgent Dachshund Mom, although THEY are

> convinced I am abusing them when I don't let them

> have grain-filled commercial dog treats.

>

> Something to think about....

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

[Guest guest]

Marilyn-- I second PJ and Amelia! You're a great mom

And thanks for those words of encouragement. I have to give my poor gut a chance

to heal by being patient.

Thanks a lot again, guys.

[Guest guest]

I had this problem in the beginning of the diet. What I did is I ate every two hours. I ate only one type of food (didn't mix 2-3 items). It is mush easier for intestine to work on one item (carbs) vs. carbs and protein and fat for example. If you still hungry after finishing one item, wait 30 min and eat more.... But wait, don't try to eat very big portions ( I learned that size of the meal makes a difference in digestion especially when you sick). Also, try to mix brown spots banana with a little of peanut butter ( for calories and fat). We need fat to heal interstine. If you can't tolerate peanut butter ( I could but everyone is different), add a little of butter (real not a substitute) to what ever you eat. (I like fish with butter.)

Also, try to add probiotic (from SCDiet.com) if you can't tolerate yogurt and Freda vitamins. Plus try to eat only food that is no more then 48 hours old, don't eat leftovers older than that. It really worked for me!!!

The work that you put in cooking will pay off, just be patient!!

Best,

Subject: Re: Newbie: Trying to measure progress - Help!To: BTVC-SCD Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 11:23 PM

Thanks for your replies.My concerns, which you might have had, about going slowly are: (1) I am worried if I will get enough nutrition over a period of one or two months, and (2) I end up feeling hungry almost all the time. How did you guys manage these?

[Guest guest]

At 06:19 AM 11/27/2009, you wrote:

You are so smart! We were

raised a little differently when I was growing up. We did eat a

large portion from our own garden, but you are right. Modern

methods have really influenced the way we perceive things.

Recently, we have not been having as much veggies -- I am running out of

ideas and variety! Mostly it is a puree with soup and a meat--but I

was feeling guilty for not getting in those veggies. Thanks for

relieving me of the guilt! ; )

Amelia,

It's funny how you get influenced by " what everyone knows " even

when you know it isn't valid.

Winter's probably a more reasonable time to go lighter on veggies if you

must, because so many of the veggies aren't fresh-raised and are shipped

in from all sorts of places, in many cases, losing much of their

nutritional value as they are shipped.

There's a reason, for instance, that there are " summer " and

" winter " squashes, why kale is a " winter " vegetable,

ditto celeriac. And so forth.

If you have a reprint of the old n Mrs. Beeton's, I believe it

gives a year round listing of what used to be in season in the UK. You

might use that as a guide, suitably bowdlerizing it for SCD.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

It took several months for the blood on my stool to completely go away. I think

it may have been fissures that were the problem, because I suffered from

constipation. I've been blood free since summer though :-).

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

>

>

> Hi-

>

> I seem to have different problem than most people here in the sense I don't

have as much D-ra but mostly firm, blood-covered stools. Can someone with

similar experience or otherwise help?

>

> This thing started again two weeks ago after being on remission due to

Imuran/Pentasa for 3 years -- 3-4 BMs/day with bloody stools and sometimes fresh

blood.

>

> I started on SCD ~8 days ago. I take BTVC chicken soup, broiled fish, yogurt,

grape juice. I tried introducing zucchini and spinach (well-cooked) over the

last week. The BM frequency increases because of veggies but it is still bloody

firm stools. I have 2-3 BMs/day with firm stools kinda covered in blood. This

hasn't changed. So, how do I measure progress or what doesn't work for me?

>

> I think SCD has helped but not dramatically like I read in success stories....

Or I don't know if its because I eat less??

>

> Should I just continue introducing different veggies every other day and see

what makes it worse or keeps it status quo, at least?

>

> Andy

> UC 3.5 years.

>

[Guest guest]

My dog is the opposite. If he goes more then a couple of days eating only meat

(in the form of dehydrated chicken strips), his doggy colitis acts up and his

poop gets soft and mushy. He needs to either eat a little regular dog food

(Nature's Best is what the picky one is currently eating a few crumbles of) or

some veggies/fruit. We tried to do the BARF diet, but he won't even attempt to

eat a raw drumstick, not matter the cajoling. He's old and set in his ways, I

guess :-(.

Holly

Crohn's

SCD 12/01/08

> >My concerns, which you might have had, about

> >going slowly are: (1) I am worried if I will get

> >enough nutrition over a period of one or two

> >months, and (2) I end up feeling hungry almost all the time.

>

> I came to SCD right after emergency gall bladder

> surgery. I ended up eating roast beef, roast

> pork, soft-boiled eggs (first with butter, then

> with shredded cheddar) and steamed zucchini. For a number of weeks.

>

> One thing to be aware of: while vegetables are a

> good and worthy thing, and a variety of

> vegetables can ultimately contribute to good

> health, they are NOT utterly critical as part of the daily diet.

>

> Hope you'll forgive me for dragging my Dachshund

> Duo in here, but they ARE my furkids! Over the

> Christmas Shopping Frenzy Season in 2002, I was

> working two extra days a week and flat forgot to

> grind enough vegetables for the bratlings to last

> the season. (It happened again in 2005, after

> Hurricane Katrina, when I was working full time

> and our electricity service was, to say the least, dicey.)

>

> Dogs don't have the flat grinding surfaces we

> humans do for mashing and breaking up vegetables

> so the nutrients can be extracted; wild canids

> normally get their veggies pre-digested from the

> stomachs of their prey. To simulate this, I

> grind/puree various vegetables, and pack them

> into ice cube trays, freeze and store the cubes,

> and then they get two cubes of veggies and one

> cube of red meat (bison if I can get it, venison,

> ground round, sometimes liver) for their breakfast.

>

> We ran out of veggies the second week of

> December, so Harry just gave them extra meat for

> their breakfast. (They get raw, meaty bones for

> dinner, and get their minerals from the bones.)

> By the time the Shopping Frenzy was over (after

> New Year's) and I was back on a normal schedule

> and ground the veggies, my crew was delighted to

> see them. In fact, they begged a small bowl of

> them right there as I was preparing them.

>

> BUT -- my point is that they didn't suffer any

> ill health from going a month or so without fresh vegetables.

>

> We are so conditioned by modern agro-business

> that we absolutely have to have every meal

> properly balanced (because they want us to buy

> their products!) that we sometimes forget that

> for many hundreds of years our food came in

> cycles dictated by the seasons of the year --

> which could include no green vegetables for up to

> five months at a time, since if you couldn't grow

> it and store it, you couldn't eat it.

>

> We are also conditioned by modern agro-business

> that we must have variety. Our ancestors couldn't

> import food from all over the globe, although all

> of theirs WAS organic and free-range!

>

> Before panicking about variety and so forth, give

> poor guts a chance to heal a bit more -- and for

> the new SCDer to detox from their starch and sugar addictions.

>

> When I started SCD, I could not tolerate carrots

> at all. They tasted nasty to me. (Peas still

> taste nasty.) They also came through my system in

> big, undigested lumps if I forced myself to eat

> them. After 16 months on SCD, carrots no longer

> tasted nasty -- and they no longer came through undigested.

>

> The key to this is not a balanced meal every

> meal, not even a DAILY balanced diet, but BALANCE

> OVER TIME. For my Dachshund Duo, the four weeks

> they went without veggies was about the

> equivalent of going four months without them in a

> human. (Dogs' pregnancies are 9 weeks, not 9

> months.) And they were just FINE. In fact, they

> were so delighted to have veggies back as part of

> the menu that I was able to sneak a couple of new

> veggies in on them -- they're a finicky, spoiled

> rotten pair of bratlings who want certain foods

> at certain times of the day! And I am a

> very indulgent Dachshund Mom, although THEY are

> convinced I am abusing them when I don't let them

> have grain-filled commercial dog treats.

>

> Something to think about....

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

[Guest guest]

>

>>

>>

>> Hi-

>>

>> I seem to have different problem than most people here in the sense

>> I don't have as much D-ra but mostly firm, blood-covered stools.

>> Can someone with similar experience or otherwise help?

>>

>> This thing started again two weeks ago after being on remission due

>> to Imuran/Pentasa for 3 years -- 3-4 BMs/day with bloody stools and

>> sometimes fresh blood.

>>

>> I started on SCD ~8 days ago. I take BTVC chicken soup, broiled

>> fish, yogurt, grape juice. I tried introducing zucchini and spinach

>> (well-cooked) over the last week. The BM frequency increases

>> because of veggies but it is still bloody firm stools. I have 2-3

>> BMs/day with firm stools kinda covered in blood. This hasn't

>> changed. So, how do I measure progress or what doesn't work for me?

>>

>> I think SCD has helped but not dramatically like I read in success

>> stories.... Or I don't know if its because I eat less??

>>

>> Should I just continue introducing different veggies every other

>> day and see what makes it worse or keeps it status quo, at least?

Well, blood is not necessarily going to clear up right away -

it's going to take time for that internal healing process to happen

- the healing in the gut has to happen even while you are

eating food - so that can't happen overnight - it's a complex process,

so the softer the food you eat in the

beginning, purees and such, the easier it will be on your gut - which

will help

promote healing. Also a lot of broths will be helpful, meat,

fish, chicken, because the gelatin in the broths is excellent

for helping to heal the gut.

You measure progress by things either staying the same

or getting better - but not getting worse.

Also try taking epsom baths - that will help allay some of the

internal achiness that goes together with bloody stools. You

can take them right before bed, and they help you to sleep

like magic. And they are very detoxifying for the skin and body

as well.

Mara

[Guest guest]

When you add one food item every 2 days, does it mean that you introduce veggie

" A " , on day 1 but not have it on day 2 or day 3 and see how you respond? If you

don't do well, wait till the symptoms subside and then move on veggie " B " ... and

continue the cycle. All the while staying pretty much the intro diet???

This seems an awfully long process -- does anybody have better ways or

short-cuts

Thanks.

>

>

> From: Andy Ram

> Subject: Newbie: Trying to measure progress - Help!

> To: BTVC-SCD

> Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 12:26 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

>

> Hi-

>

> I seem to have different problem than most people here in the sense I don't

have as much D-ra but mostly firm, blood-covered stools. Can someone with

similar experience or otherwise help?

>

> This thing started again two weeks ago after being on remission due to

Imuran/Pentasa for 3 years -- 3-4 BMs/day with bloody stools and sometimes fresh

blood.

>

> I started on SCD ~8 days ago. I take BTVC chicken soup, broiled fish, yogurt,

grape juice. I tried introducing zucchini and spinach (well-cooked) over the

last week. The BM frequency increases because of veggies but it is still bloody

firm stools. I have 2-3 BMs/day with firm stools kinda covered in blood. This

hasn't changed. So, how do I measure progress or what doesn't work for me?

>

> I think SCD has helped but not dramatically like I read in success stories....

Or I don't know if its because I eat less??

>

> Should I just continue introducing different veggies every other day and see

what makes it worse or keeps it status quo, at least?

>

> Andy

> UC 3.5 years.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> When you add one food item every 2 days, does it mean that you

> introduce veggie " A " , on day 1 but not have it on day 2 or day 3 and

> see how you respond?

some people have it just on day 1, some people intro it all 3 days.

It really depends on

how sensitive your body is - which you will soon know. The first

approach is more

prudent, but then, as well, sometimes people only react initially, or

sometimes a reaction

gets worse over a few days - so this is something you have to figure

out for yourself.

> If you don't do well, wait till the sympt

> oms subside and then move on veggie " B " ... and continue the cycle.

> All the while staying pretty much the intro diet???

yeah, pretty much.

>

> This seems an awfully long process -- does anybody have better ways

> or short-cuts

There are no short cuts - it takes a long while initially, because you

have to test

everything on your body - and everybody is different. You might find

yourself

reactive to things you never realized before - or you may be fine with

lots of things,

there is no way to know in advance.

Mara

[Guest guest]

At 08:54 AM 11/28/2009, you wrote:

This seems an awfully long

process -- does anybody have better ways or short-cuts

Well, short cuts, in my experience, usually end up taking longer than if

you'd done it the long way to begin with. (I can say this because I did

try to do short-cuts, and paid the price.)

If you sit down and make a list of what you ate in a typical week

pre-SCD, you'll probably find that it's a pretty short list -- 2-3 kinds

of meat, maybe 5-6 kinds of vegetable, maybe a bit of fruit....

Depending on how sensitive your system is, it may only take you a couple

weeks to develop a core repertoire of foods you can safely eat. Then you

can start to experiment with the more advanced foods, knowing you have

this stable of basics to fall back on if you react badly to

something.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Hi-

I plan to introduce eggs today after nearly 2 weeks on SCD -- that'll increase

my repertoire. When I tried eggs in the beginning of SCD, I started bleeding

more and I stopped.

Any idea if scrambled or boiled is softer on the gut? Or is it the proverbial

" depends on the person "

Also, why is everyone so particular about starting off slow on yogurt (1/8

tbsp)? I was so hungry and enticed that I started off from 1 tbsp and now I am

at 8 tbsp in 6 days. I don't seem to react adversely to it.... or is it about

controlling die-off?

Just concerned about avoiding mistakes if I could help it.

Thanks,

Andy.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi-

>

> I plan to introduce eggs today after nearly 2 weeks on SCD --

> that'll increase my repertoire. When I tried eggs in the beginning

> of SCD, I started bleeding more and I stopped.

>

> Any idea if scrambled or boiled is softer on the gut? Or is it the

> proverbial " depends on the person "

It depends - but I'd probably start out with soft boiled.

It's good in the broth as well.

>

> Also, why is everyone so particular about starting off slow on

> yogurt (1/8 tbsp)? I was so hungry and enticed that I started off

> from 1 tbsp and now I am at 8 tbsp in 6 days. I don't seem to react

> adversely to it.... or is it about controlling die-off?

Well, it's very strong - some of us can be very sensitive to it - the

idea being better to be cautionary than in a flare.

But as long as you are fine with it, keep building up.

Mara

[Guest guest]

At 07:04 AM 12/1/2009, you wrote:

Any idea if scrambled or boiled

is softer on the gut? Or is it the proverbial " depends on the

person "

Andy, for me, soft boiled eggs (firm white and liquid-to-soft yolks

worked best. I can't, for the life of me, explain why, but adding butter

to the egg after it was cooked worked better than, say, scrambling an egg

in butter. Some people find that poaching an egg in broth works well for

them -- less fat, which can be an issue when starting out.

Also, why is everyone so

particular about starting off slow on yogurt (1/8 tbsp)? I was so hungry

and enticed that I started off from 1 tbsp and now I am at 8 tbsp in 6

days. I don't seem to react adversely to it.... or is it about

controlling die-off?

Our SCD yogurt has lots of probiotics in it. <wry grin> For myself,

I started out with a cup of dripped yogurt a day. But some people find

that the tendency towards die-off is less when they build up the amount

of yogurt per day.

Just concerned about avoiding

mistakes if I could help it.

Heh. Wish I could have done that. I usually say that if it was possible

to make a mistake somewhere in my early implementation of the diet, I'd

do it... which is why I can authoritatively say, " Do as I say, not

as I did! "

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Me too. I can do boiled eggs, but fried eggs make me gassy. Don't know why.

PJ

> >Any idea if scrambled or boiled is softer on the

> >gut? Or is it the proverbial " depends on the person "

>

> Andy, for me, soft boiled eggs (firm white and

> liquid-to-soft yolks worked best. I can't, for

> the life of me, explain why, but adding butter to

> the egg after it was cooked worked better than,

> say, scrambling an egg in butter. Some people

> find that poaching an egg in broth works well for

> them -- less fat, which can be an issue when starting out.

>

> >Also, why is everyone so particular about

> >starting off slow on yogurt (1/8 tbsp)? I was so

> >hungry and enticed that I started off from 1

> >tbsp and now I am at 8 tbsp in 6 days. I don't

> >seem to react adversely to it.... or is it about controlling die-off?

>

> Our SCD yogurt has lots of probiotics in it.

grin> For myself, I started out with a cup of

> dripped yogurt a day. But some people find that

> the tendency towards die-off is less when they

> build up the amount of yogurt per day.

>

> >Just concerned about avoiding mistakes if I could help it.

>

> Heh. Wish I could have done that. I usually say

> that if it was possible to make a mistake

> somewhere in my early implementation of the diet,

> I'd do it... which is why I can authoritatively

> say, " Do as I say, not as I did! "

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Marilyn and folks.

As I read more, I get more worried: Is Candida is a common issue? The symptoms

seem scary! And the elimination diet is even more confusing!

Do I have to worry about it now, or wait till something shows up-- after a few

days or weeks or months?

[Guest guest]

Hi Andy,

I wouldn’t start worrying about that now. Once you’ve settled

into the diet and feel better and better, you’ll notice certain symptoms that

might not be going away. You can talk to us about them and we can help you

then. Does that make sense? You’ve got bigger issues to deal with right now.

Cheers,

SCD 20 mths

From: BTVC-SCD

[mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Andy Ram

Sent: December-01-09 2:35 PM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: Re: Newbie: Trying to measure progress - Help!

Thanks, Marilyn and folks.

As I read more, I get more worried: Is Candida is a common issue? The symptoms

seem scary! And the elimination diet is even more confusing!

Do I have to worry about it now, or wait till something shows up-- after a few

days or weeks or months?

[Guest guest]

Totally, I couldn't agree more.

Also, I am meeting my GI doc on Thu... I am thinking of requesting him to up my

5-ASA to a higher dose (I take maintenance 4 Pentasa pills) so that the

remaining blood in my stool will go away.... and then I can see if I can

maintain myself on SCD, without worrying about blood...

Are there other 5-ASAs that are better, such as Lialda?? Or again it depends on

the person???

Any suggestions are welcome!

>

> Hi Andy,

>

> I wouldn't start worrying about that now. Once you've settled into the

> diet and feel better and better, you'll notice certain symptoms that

> might not be going away. You can talk to us about them and we can help

> you then. Does that make sense? You've got bigger issues to deal with

> right now.

>

> Cheers,

>

>

>

> SCD 20 mths

>

>

>

> From: BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On

> Behalf Of Andy Ram

> Sent: December-01-09 2:35 PM

> To: BTVC-SCD

> Subject: Re: Newbie: Trying to measure progress - Help!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Thanks, Marilyn and folks.

>

> As I read more, I get more worried: Is Candida is a common issue? The

> symptoms seem scary! And the elimination diet is even more confusing!

>

> Do I have to worry about it now, or wait till something shows up-- after

> a few days or weeks or months?

>

[Guest guest]

Alright, the hard-boiled egg did not go well:

I had one egg for breakfast. Through the day I was on chicken soup and fish. In

the evening I had pureed spinach with yogurt and 2 h later, I had to rush to

bathroom to bleed more than usual.

I think egg is the problem because I have had spinach without much problems.

The question is why did I not react to the egg in 2-3 h after egg consumption

but only after 6 h till I had spinach/lunch?

Thanks.

> > >Any idea if scrambled or boiled is softer on the

> > >gut? Or is it the proverbial " depends on the person "

> >

> > Andy, for me, soft boiled eggs (firm white and

> > liquid-to-soft yolks worked best. I can't, for

> > the life of me, explain why, but adding butter to

> > the egg after it was cooked worked better than,

> > say, scrambling an egg in butter. Some people

> > find that poaching an egg in broth works well for

> > them -- less fat, which can be an issue when starting out.

> >

> > >Also, why is everyone so particular about

> > >starting off slow on yogurt (1/8 tbsp)? I was so

> > >hungry and enticed that I started off from 1

> > >tbsp and now I am at 8 tbsp in 6 days. I don't

> > >seem to react adversely to it.... or is it about controlling die-off?

> >

> > Our SCD yogurt has lots of probiotics in it.

> grin> For myself, I started out with a cup of

> > dripped yogurt a day. But some people find that

> > the tendency towards die-off is less when they

> > build up the amount of yogurt per day.

> >

> > >Just concerned about avoiding mistakes if I could help it.

> >

> > Heh. Wish I could have done that. I usually say

> > that if it was possible to make a mistake

> > somewhere in my early implementation of the diet,

> > I'd do it... which is why I can authoritatively

> > say, " Do as I say, not as I did! "

> >

> >

> > — Marilyn

> > New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> > Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> > Darn Good SCD Cook

> > No Human Children

> > Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Your reaction may not have been due to the egg at breakfast, but could have been due to the spinach/yogurt puree or possibly a combination of two higher fat items in one day, or possibly it was just your digestion acting up after a stressful day. Or it was just the way your digestion was going to behave that day.

Remember that peristalsis increases after a meal, so sometimes it doesn't matter what you have eaten, you'll experience a bowel movement an hour or two after a meal.

I know, frustrating. It makes things difficult to figure out at times.

Next time try not having an egg on the same day as you have the spinach/yogurt puree. Or try spinach alone without the yogurt. And also consider anything else you might have swallowed that same day -- any new supplements, any new drinks?

Kim M.

SCD 5+ years

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I had one egg for breakfast. Through the day I was on chicken soup and fish. In the evening I had pureed spinach with yogurt and 2 h later, I had to rush to bathroom to bleed more than usual.I think egg is the problem because I have had spinach without much problems.The question is why did I not react to the egg in 2-3 h after egg consumption but only after 6 h till I had spinach/lunch?Thanks