QUESTION

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I went to a GI Dr. to have it done. Gee, I hope I never go back to my

" regular " way of eating! Look where it got me! (GRIN) but you should go

back to a more normal way of eating. From what I understand, our stomach

will stretch of the first couple of years, but not to the point we're at

now. I've heard some people say they can eat a kid sized portion. It

seems to vary from person to person. Yes you can gain weight. Sugar

should be restricted to an extent. We will still absord the sugars and

that can cause a slow down in weight loss and possibly some gain later on

if we eat too much of it though I've read where people say if they want a

cookie they eat it, but one may satisfy them verses half a package. Lot's

of folks say that their tastes totally change post op. I'm anxious to see

for myself. Please jump in and tell me post-ops....am I on the right

track? )

--- star00066@... wrote:

> thank you..as long as i am knocked out. did you go to a gi dr to have it

> done

> or hospital? also, with the ds do you go back to your regular way of

> eating

> after a period of time. i know the rny you always eat smaller portions.

> can

> you gain weight back?

> cheryl

> cheryl

>

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from Upper Darby, PA

BMI 63, age 41

Lap BPD/DS (possibly in 2 parts)

Dr. Gagner - 9/15/01

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We use Periactin to treat Gracies migranes, but one of the side affects of the drug is an appetite stimulant. For her, once a day dosing is enough to control the migranes but we get good results on apetite if we use it twice a day. Now nobody believes me that this is related, but ever since Grace has been on Miralax her apetite has practically doubled. My theory is that her tummy feels better, so she is more willing to eat. She does, however, go through phases where we can not get her to eat practically anything. This is also one of the Catch 22's of having a two year old mito baby. At her toddler stage it is very common for them not to eat regularly, this is just not good for a mito baby. She does have a Mic Key button but we are still trying to only use it for medications and fluids when needed. Her GI is worried that if we try to feed her through it, she will stop eating orally.

Have you tried offering him snacks? Even though they are not the best, we let Grace eat fruit snacks and other "treats" practically whenever she wants them. We do try to trick her into thinking some of the healthier options are actually "treats" and we usually have good success. One other "good treat" is granola bars. We get the ones with almonds and honey in them. They are packed of complex carbs and fiber, great for a hypoglycemic (like Gracie, she loves them).

I hope you can get Asher to eat better. I am sure if you can get ahold of a dietician they will have some other great ideas.

,Mommy to (9), (7), Bre-Anne (6), Grace (2) and our newest arrival is due Sept. 20thFor the latest baby info, and to see our family check out:www.BabyCountDown.com?baby=4007

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Hi Anne,

Glad your vacation is going well...hope you're having fun out here in CO. We just got back from a trip to Denver Children's Hospital (actually went for Mitch, but got advice on Lexi while we were there...lol), and we were talking about the weight gain issue. If Asher is still eating orally, i would definately keep encouraging that piece, and of course make sure that every bite he does take in orally is maximized. With Lexi i have done things like add powdered milk, cream, and/or half and half to a glass of milk. I also sneak in extra calories by putting an egg into pretty much everything she eats (she would just die if she knew she was eating eggs...says she "hates them"). Also, melted butter goes on or in alot of foods.

Hope this helps a little.

ruth

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Hello everyone,

First of all I hope all is well with everyone. I was just wondering 2 things, first did anyone have their surgery at Kaiser?? Or did you all go through someone else?? My second question is, I know that you've all probably been where Im at, so how did you guys deal with the nerves?? , my husband is starting to get worried about me because, the nervousness has gotten so bad that it's kinda starting to make me sick. I've been throwing up and my hair is starting to fall out a little. I consider myself to be pretty brave, and dont take me wrong, Im more than ready for Tuesday, but I cant seem to shake this. Please if anyone has any help, please let me know. Thank you guys so much, and sorry for being such baby..Ciao,

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Hi :

I live in Laguna Woods, (south Orange County), and Kaiser contracted out my surgery to the Pacific Bariatrics Surgical Group who operate at Scripps Mercy Hospital in San Diego. I had excellent care, and at 1 year + 2 days, I'd say my recovery has also been excellent. I've lost a total of 121 pounds since my highest pre-op weight of 346, 87 pounds since surgery.

I know you'll do well, and you'll be in my thoughts and prayers on your big day.

Warm regards,

Pat

Open RNY, 9/21/04

-----Original Message-----From: gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients [mailto:gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients ]On Behalf Of MICHELLE URIBESent: Friday, September 23, 2005 6:42 PMTo: gastric-bypass-support-kaiser-patients Subject: QUESTION

Hello everyone,

First of all I hope all is well with everyone. I was just wondering 2 things, first did anyone have their surgery at Kaiser?? Or did you all go through someone else?? My second question is, I know that you've all probably been where Im at, so how did you guys deal with the nerves?? , my husband is starting to get worried about me because, the nervousness has gotten so bad that it's kinda starting to make me sick. I've been throwing up and my hair is starting to fall out a little. I consider myself to be pretty brave, and dont take me wrong, Im more than ready for Tuesday, but I cant seem to shake this. Please if anyone has any help, please let me know. Thank you guys so much, and sorry for being such baby..

Ciao,

[Guest guest]

HI .

Most of us here either had the surgery at Kaiser or one of the facility that subcontracts with Kaiser such as Pacific Bariatric and UCLA. One of the things that we were taught at the case management was meditation and deep breathing. Those are so useful in order to get those nerves under control. If you have never done it before this is the way I was taught to do my meditation.

I would recommend finding a quiet place maybe put some soothing music and practice deep breathing. As you sit, close your eyes and breath at first normally then slowly start to breath deeper. Feel how the air fills your lungs as you breath in and out. As you start to breath deeper then let you mind go to some place that is only for you and think about that place and know it is a safe place for you. When you are in your safe place feel your muscles start to loosen up starting at your head and slowly work your way down. If you have an area as you do your body check more it around and let the area loosen up. All the while you are still sitting with your eyes closed and breathing deeply. Once you feel relaxed, then when every you are ready slowly open your eyes and you will be amazed how relaxed you feel. If you can do this a couple of times a day it will help you so much.

I know on the day of my surgery that was so helpful to me. I was so nervous that if the Surgeon had come to talk to me I might have told him I changed my mind.

I wish you the best on your day of surgery.

Ramona

[Guest guest]

Hi

Im not sure if we have been introduced(lol) so to speak, I am

. I had my surgery in Kaiser Richmond on Aug 19,2003. I began

this journey at 315 pounds and dropped to 150. I have regained to

160 but its my own fault....Im a starbucks junkie. I have of this

morning decided to go cold turkey and quit.

I can tell you that I have had NO complications. This surgery was

the best thing I have ever done. My life has improved way beyond my

expectations. Is everything perfect...heck no! I still struggle and

the surgery has brought up issues I never considered possible. Would

I do it again....IN A HEART BEAT!!

Your nerves are normal. I went thru the gammit of emotions from

elation on minute and crying jags the next. Take a deep breath,

relax and make a list of everything you hope to achieve through this

surgery. TAKE YOUR PICTURE BEFORE SURGERY. That is majorly

important. For when you get one to two years out like me and you

have days you feel like the 315 pound person I was, I take out those

pictures and compare them to current ones and remind myself how far

Ive come.

Huggles

> Hello everyone,

>

> First of all I hope all is well with everyone. I was just

wondering 2 things, first did anyone have their surgery at Kaiser??

Or did you all go through someone else?? My second question is, I

know that you've all probably been where Im at, so how did you guys

deal with the nerves?? , my husband is starting to get worried

about me because, the nervousness has gotten so bad that it's kinda

starting to make me sick. I've been throwing up and my hair is

starting to fall out a little. I consider myself to be pretty

brave, and dont take me wrong, Im more than ready for Tuesday, but I

cant seem to shake this. Please if anyone has any help, please let

me know. Thank you guys so much, and sorry for being such baby..

>

>

> Ciao,

[Guest guest]

Hi ..

I had my surgery at Kaiser Richmond. I was nervous right before, but not to the extent you are talking about. At a certain point, I just had to put my life into God's hands. I had done enough research and soul searching to know that this was my only real solution. I had tried everything else.

At some point, it's just mind over matter. Take deep, cleansing breaths. Walk. Drink water everytime you feel nervous. Do constructive things for yourself. Talk to others...but try to avoid constantly talking about the scary parts...start talking outloud about the good things: you are about to embark upon a new life. You will no longer fear getting on the scale, because you know it will go down (or stay the same occasionally) everytime you get on it. Think about that! You will no longer feel the complete helplessness and self-disgust that you may be feeling in your present state. You will have hope. You will start to see your face emerging from the pudge...your eyes will be bigger...you'll look younger.

You will be able to move more easily. You will be able to get onto a roller coaster without worrying that the little safety bar won't come all the way down. You'll be able to get onto an airplane without worrying that your hips won't fit, or that you'll need to get a seatbelt extender.

You'll be able to throw away your Lane card. You'll be able to walk into the Gap without having the salespeople wonder what the heck you are doing in there.

You will be treated differently by society around you. It's sad, but true, that people treat you better when you are thinner. Here is an example of yesterday:

I had to rush off (after working from home in the a.m.) to a meeting with my psychologist, and then off to the office. I was wearing a little black top (my niece's hand-me-down since I can't wear my own clothes anymore), and a cute little blue/black/gray plaid skirt (courtesty of Pam Marsh). For the first time in a long time, the top looked better tucked in...because, HEY, what do you know? I have a waist now. So, there were belt loops. I put on my black belt. It was huge, ridiculously so. (I have lost 10 inches off of my waist.) So, I went down to Lucky Brands (it's kind of a hip, rock and roll kind of store.) The guy working there (pretty young) found me a belt. It was $50. I saw the tag. There was no sale that day. He rang it up, and it was $30. I said, "Um, I think you made a mistake...the tag said $50." He said, "Yes, I know...but for you it's $30. I'm the manager, and I

applied my manager discount."

OK, but WHY? Well, as he smiled and then told me the belt was perfect, and I looked adorable...it became clear. He didn't ask me for my name or number...he just did this nice thing because, well...because I'm cute, I guess.

So, I go to my shrink, and ironically, he asks me if people treat me differently now that I'm thinner. I told him that I noticed that the young Marina girls talk to me now. They didn't before. It was like I was invisible. Now they comment on my hair, or my eyes...or they ask me where I got my necklace or my top. it's like I'm part of the "club" now. And the guys are friendly. Like the other day, I went to the DMV to get a replacement registration sticker (mine disappeared.) When I got into the parking lot, I started to lean down to put on the sticker. I am not joking here...FIVE guys came up to help me. Suddenly, I am some sort of damsel in distress, incapable of adhering a little sticker onto my license plate. Oh, they were eager to help. Very friendly, competitive with one another. Do I delude myself into thinking that all five would have been there, taking over the difficult task of putting a

sticker onto a license plate (NOT), when I weighed 261?

So, my shrink starts telling me that actually, I am quite magnetic, something about my eyes...and that my face is very symmetric, and my features are quite large...as if (and I quote) "one were at the movies, and sitting a bit too close to the screen". This was intended as a compliment (he's a little odd, this shrink.) He tells me that he's sure that I'm getting lots and lots of attention...and that is going to be beside himself with joy when he sees me in person, in all of my "beautiful, magnetic glory". Whatever.

Is this something the shrink would have said before? Nope. And he wasn't really flirting, either. Just observing. I head off to the BMW dealer, because my oil light came on...and because one of my headlights had gone out. My ex had purchased a headlamp bulb at the Concord BMW dealer...but it wasn't the right one, and he wasn't to use it. I went to the one in Berkeley, directly after leaving the shrink. I go up to the counter, and this sales manager type guy comes sprinting over (doesn't usually work behind the counter) to help me. Yes, there are others in line ahead of me, but he beckons me over. He discovers the right part for the headlamp. I tell him that I got the other part in Concord, and he "hushes" me and says, "Tell me you got this here..." So I laughed and said, "Oops, I MEAN I got it here..." The bottom line: the new part was more expensive than the old one. He waived the

difference. I bought the two containers of oil...and then I said I needed to buy a keychain for my electronic key (the old one broke, and most key chains won't fit it). I found one that was $40. So, two things of synthetic oil, a key chain that is $40, and a part that is more expensive than the last. He charged me $20 for the whole thing. He applied his manager discount. THIS IS TWICE IN ONE DAY.

And then he says, "Do you need help installing that?" So I figure, why not, and I bat my eyes. He comes out (in his white shirt and tie), installs my new headlamp, puts in my oil. Asks me my name...and flirts a bit. I smile, and take off in my car.

Now BMW has great service, but let's just say they charge for EVERYTHING. So, this was an unusual experience.

Do I use my new rediscovered power for good...or for EVIL? That's the question.

Now, none of this is fair, or appropriate or any of that. But, you know...it sure is nice. It's nice to have men do cartwheels so that they can hold a door open for you...when in the past, they would be completely oblivious. it's nice to have girls and women tell you that you are cute, part of the sorority. It's nice to discover this whole world of "below marked price" just because the manager thinks you are cute.

It's different. Others perceive and treat you differently...partly because you begin to perceive yourself differently. You project a different energy into the universe. The "I'm worthy" energy.

The flirtation, the "looks"...well, it's all fun. It's like I had been in hibernation, and I've suddenly emerged into this new world that is opening up in front of me. But, at the same time...I don't feel like I want to go crazy...because I know that my exterior really is not who I am. I was gifted with some great genetics...and some bad ones (my weight problem). This surgery and my efforts are making a difference with the bad genetics...and I'm starting to capitalize on the good ones. Wearing make-up more often, and cuter clothes. Carrying myself with more pride. My friend , who is gay and who hasn't seen me in a year, arrived last night from Paris. He said, "Oh my God, I may have to convert. Even your VOICE is lighter. You've changed, I feel shy! Like I'm talking to somebody completely new." Then he added, "shoot, and I'm gay...I can't even imagine what poor Olivier was going through!!"

All of that affirmation is nice. It was great to have a birthday celebration with my gorgeous sister and the rest of my disgustingly beautiful family...to get the pictures back, and to not shreik with horror at how terrible I looked. No, I looked like I belonged in this family. And I looked pretty, and thin.

I still have 40 lbs. to lose before I'm at my personal goal of 135. but I'm at size 12 now, so I'll probably be an 8 (or dare I imaginie a 6?) before this is all over. That opens up a world of clothing possibilities that has been shut to me for a long time.

And although I'm 41, and my chances at conception of a child are not so great because of my age...I don't have weight working against me, too. I might actually be able to get pregnant and carry to term a healthy baby.

And finally...I can read Prevention magazine, or the Berkeley Welllness Letter...and I don't have to become deeply depressed and despondent about the five MORE studies linking obesity to some dread disease. I can have hope for a healthy and vital next 40 years or so. that's a great thing.

I don't know if you are a Christian, but even if not, the Bible holds great wisdom. To slightly misquote a verse, "Whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is holy and edifying and uplifting, think on those things." In other words, in the words of an old song, "Accentuate the positive, DE-centuate the negative."

This is a beautiful, wonderful gift you are being given that will change your life in countless, un imagineable ways. You will be released from such a huge burden...you will have energy to concentrate on other things in your life. All of your problems will not disappear...but you will have a better self-esteem with which to tackle your other problems.

This is a blessing...many of the people on the board are patiently waiting...struggling struggling struggling to get off their pre-surgery weight. Others out there do not have the insurance to cover the surgery, and they are trying to save thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars so that they can do this surgery.

You are looking at surgery in a couple of days. You will be with gifted, experienced surgeons and nursing staff. The statistics at Kaiser for deaths during this surgery is MUCH lower than average. Follow the rules. Get up and walk right after surgery and use the little blowing machine, even when you don't feel like it. Take your own health into your own hands. Know that you've researched this, contempated this, you've gone through a psych screen, a physical screen...and that you are with a very conservative health organization that won't let you have the surgery if you are too high risk.

You are blessed. This is a GOOD thing. Don't pull your hair out. Don't let your fears and anxieties rob from you the joy of this moment. You are just about to take this step into a wonderful journey. Many others have gone before you, with fabulous results. Others wait in line behind you. Hold your head high...give up your fears to your higher power...and move forward with joy.

That's my advice, anyway.

RobynnMICHELLE URIBE wrote:

Hello everyone,

First of all I hope all is well with everyone. I was just wondering 2 things, first did anyone have their surgery at Kaiser?? Or did you all go through someone else?? My second question is, I know that you've all probably been where Im at, so how did you guys deal with the nerves?? , my husband is starting to get worried about me because, the nervousness has gotten so bad that it's kinda starting to make me sick. I've been throwing up and my hair is starting to fall out a little. I consider myself to be pretty brave, and dont take me wrong, Im more than ready for Tuesday, but I cant seem to shake this. Please if anyone has any help, please let me know. Thank you guys so much, and sorry for being such baby..

Ciao,

[Guest guest]

,

Hi....I am going thru Kaiser, but Kaiser here in Riverside contracts out to either Pacific Bariatrics in San Diego or Crown Bariatrics in Corona/Wildomar. I have chosen Crown Bariatrics. I liked there program and the lady Mo who coordinates everything is right on the ball and you can reach her everytime you call. Wildomar is also much closer so my family can come see me. If I went to San Diego, I would have to stay there for a week. I will go in Wed. and get out Fri. and be able to go home.

My surgery is the day after yours and I am also ready, nervous, happy, you name it. I can tell that I am more emotional also. I could cry at the drop of a hat. Even though I have been doing this for about 14 months and I should be totally ready, I still am nervous. I was just lucky that I only had 9 days to prepare....that is how much advanced notice that I got. I am also trying to be brave for my family.....but I can come on here and vent and do my breathing.

Good luck.........

Patty

Riverside Diane Duenas wrote:

Hi Im not sure if we have been introduced(lol) so to speak, I am . I had my surgery in Kaiser Richmond on Aug 19,2003. I began this journey at 315 pounds and dropped to 150. I have regained to 160 but its my own fault....Im a starbucks junkie. I have of this morning decided to go cold turkey and quit.I can tell you that I have had NO complications. This surgery was the best thing I have ever done. My life has improved way beyond my expectations. Is everything perfect...heck no! I still struggle and the surgery has brought up issues I never considered possible. Would I do it again....IN A HEART BEAT!!Your nerves are normal. I went thru the gammit of emotions from elation on minute and crying jags the next. Take a deep breath, relax and make a list of everything you hope to achieve through this

surgery. TAKE YOUR PICTURE BEFORE SURGERY. That is majorly important. For when you get one to two years out like me and you have days you feel like the 315 pound person I was, I take out those pictures and compare them to current ones and remind myself how far Ive come.Huggles> Hello everyone,> > First of all I hope all is well with everyone. I was just wondering 2 things, first did anyone have their surgery at Kaiser?? Or did you all go through someone else?? My second question is, I know that you've all probably been where Im at, so how did you guys deal with the nerves?? , my husband is starting to get worried about me because, the nervousness has gotten so bad that it's kinda starting to make me sick. I've been throwing up and my hair is

starting to fall out a little. I consider myself to be pretty brave, and dont take me wrong, Im more than ready for Tuesday, but I cant seem to shake this. Please if anyone has any help, please let me know. Thank you guys so much, and sorry for being such baby..> > > Ciao, __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Ok, Patty. Read what I wrote to , and consider it addressed to you as well!!!

RobynnPatty wrote:

,

Hi....I am going thru Kaiser, but Kaiser here in Riverside contracts out to either Pacific Bariatrics in San Diego or Crown Bariatrics in Corona/Wildomar. I have chosen Crown Bariatrics. I liked there program and the lady Mo who coordinates everything is right on the ball and you can reach her everytime you call. Wildomar is also much closer so my family can come see me. If I went to San Diego, I would have to stay there for a week. I will go in Wed. and get out Fri. and be able to go home.

My surgery is the day after yours and I am also ready, nervous, happy, you name it. I can tell that I am more emotional also. I could cry at the drop of a hat. Even though I have been doing this for about 14 months and I should be totally ready, I still am nervous. I was just lucky that I only had 9 days to prepare....that is how much advanced notice that I got. I am also trying to be brave for my family.....but I can come on here and vent and do my breathing.

Good luck.........

Patty

Riverside Diane Duenas wrote:

Hi Im not sure if we have been introduced(lol) so to speak, I am . I had my surgery in Kaiser Richmond on Aug 19,2003. I began this journey at 315 pounds and dropped to 150. I have regained to 160 but its my own fault....Im a starbucks junkie. I have of this morning decided to go cold turkey and quit.I can tell you that I have had NO complications. This surgery was the best thing I have ever done. My life has improved way beyond my expectations. Is everything perfect...heck no! I still struggle and the surgery has brought up issues I never considered possible. Would I do it again....IN A HEART BEAT!!Your nerves are normal. I went thru the gammit of emotions from elation on minute and crying jags the next. Take a deep breath, relax and make a list of everything you hope to achieve through this

surgery. TAKE YOUR PICTURE BEFORE SURGERY. That is majorly important. For when you get one to two years out like me and you have days you feel like the 315 pound person I was, I take out those pictures and compare them to current ones and remind myself how far Ive come.Huggles> Hello everyone,> > First of all I hope all is well with everyone. I was just wondering 2 things, first did anyone have their surgery at Kaiser?? Or did you all go through someone else?? My second question is, I know that you've all probably been where Im at, so how did you guys deal with the nerves?? , my husband is starting to get worried about me because, the nervousness has gotten so bad that it's kinda starting to make me sick. I've been throwing up and my hair is

starting to fall out a little. I consider myself to be pretty brave, and dont take me wrong, Im more than ready for Tuesday, but I cant seem to shake this. Please if anyone has any help, please let me know. Thank you guys so much, and sorry for being such baby..> > > Ciao,

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[Guest guest]

Robynn,

Thank you......

PattyRobynn VanPatten wrote:

Ok, Patty. Read what I wrote to , and consider it addressed to you as well!!!

RobynnPatty wrote:

,

Hi....I am going thru Kaiser, but Kaiser here in Riverside contracts out to either Pacific Bariatrics in San Diego or Crown Bariatrics in Corona/Wildomar. I have chosen Crown Bariatrics. I liked there program and the lady Mo who coordinates everything is right on the ball and you can reach her everytime you call. Wildomar is also much closer so my family can come see me. If I went to San Diego, I would have to stay there for a week. I will go in Wed. and get out Fri. and be able to go home.

My surgery is the day after yours and I am also ready, nervous, happy, you name it. I can tell that I am more emotional also. I could cry at the drop of a hat. Even though I have been doing this for about 14 months and I should be totally ready, I still am nervous. I was just lucky that I only had 9 days to prepare....that is how much advanced notice that I got. I am also trying to be brave for my family.....but I can come on here and vent and do my breathing.

Good luck.........

Patty

Riverside Diane Duenas wrote:

Hi Im not sure if we have been introduced(lol) so to speak, I am . I had my surgery in Kaiser Richmond on Aug 19,2003. I began this journey at 315 pounds and dropped to 150. I have regained to 160 but its my own fault....Im a starbucks junkie. I have of this morning decided to go cold turkey and quit.I can tell you that I have had NO complications. This surgery was the best thing I have ever done. My life has improved way beyond my expectations. Is everything perfect...heck no! I still struggle and the surgery has brought up issues I never considered possible. Would I do it again....IN A HEART BEAT!!Your nerves are normal. I went thru the gammit of emotions from elation on minute and crying jags the next. Take a deep breath, relax and make a list of everything you hope to achieve through this

surgery. TAKE YOUR PICTURE BEFORE SURGERY. That is majorly important. For when you get one to two years out like me and you have days you feel like the 315 pound person I was, I take out those pictures and compare them to current ones and remind myself how far Ive come.Huggles> Hello everyone,> > First of all I hope all is well with everyone. I was just wondering 2 things, first did anyone have their surgery at Kaiser?? Or did you all go through someone else?? My second question is, I know that you've all probably been where Im at, so how did you guys deal with the nerves?? , my husband is starting to get worried about me because, the nervousness has gotten so bad that it's kinda starting to make me sick. I've been throwing up and my hair is

starting to fall out a little. I consider myself to be pretty brave, and dont take me wrong, Im more than ready for Tuesday, but I cant seem to shake this. Please if anyone has any help, please let me know. Thank you guys so much, and sorry for being such baby..> > > Ciao,

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[Guest guest]

Hi Robynn,

First off, Id like to say thank God for people like you coming into my life. Im realizing quickly that my fears are kind of absurd. I know that I should just be grateful and enjoy the upcoming events. I was actually speaking to my best friend ( who by the way is also gay), and he reminded me of all Ive overcome in my life, and how compared to those things ( child abuse, drug addiction, homelesness) this should be something I can just skip over. He and you guys are all right, Im young and faithful, and this is a great blessing.. I thank you so much for taking the time to write to me. I have so many dreams, and right now Im not giving myself a chance to enjoy them. I mean I'll probably be able to have children now, and be able to enjoy life with my husband, family, and friends. I thank you for the reminder.

With many blessings,

Robynn VanPatten wrote:

Hi ..

I had my surgery at Kaiser Richmond. I was nervous right before, but not to the extent you are talking about. At a certain point, I just had to put my life into God's hands. I had done enough research and soul searching to know that this was my only real solution. I had tried everything else.

At some point, it's just mind over matter. Take deep, cleansing breaths. Walk. Drink water everytime you feel nervous. Do constructive things for yourself. Talk to others...but try to avoid constantly talking about the scary parts...start talking outloud about the good things: you are about to embark upon a new life. You will no longer fear getting on the scale, because you know it will go down (or stay the same occasionally) everytime you get on it. Think about that! You will no longer feel the complete helplessness and self-disgust that you may be feeling in your present state. You will have hope. You will start to see your face emerging from the pudge...your eyes will be bigger...you'll look younger.

You will be able to move more easily. You will be able to get onto a roller coaster without worrying that the little safety bar won't come all the way down. You'll be able to get onto an airplane without worrying that your hips won't fit, or that you'll need to get a seatbelt extender.

You'll be able to throw away your Lane card. You'll be able to walk into the Gap without having the salespeople wonder what the heck you are doing in there.

You will be treated differently by society around you. It's sad, but true, that people treat you better when you are thinner. Here is an example of yesterday:

I had to rush off (after working from home in the a.m.) to a meeting with my psychologist, and then off to the office. I was wearing a little black top (my niece's hand-me-down since I can't wear my own clothes anymore), and a cute little blue/black/gray plaid skirt (courtesty of Pam Marsh). For the first time in a long time, the top looked better tucked in...because, HEY, what do you know? I have a waist now. So, there were belt loops. I put on my black belt. It was huge, ridiculously so. (I have lost 10 inches off of my waist.) So, I went down to Lucky Brands (it's kind of a hip, rock and roll kind of store.) The guy working there (pretty young) found me a belt. It was $50. I saw the tag. There was no sale that day. He rang it up, and it was $30. I said, "Um, I think you made a mistake...the tag said $50." He said, "Yes, I know...but for you it's $30. I'm the manager, and I

applied my manager discount."

OK, but WHY? Well, as he smiled and then told me the belt was perfect, and I looked adorable...it became clear. He didn't ask me for my name or number...he just did this nice thing because, well...because I'm cute, I guess.

So, I go to my shrink, and ironically, he asks me if people treat me differently now that I'm thinner. I told him that I noticed that the young Marina girls talk to me now. They didn't before. It was like I was invisible. Now they comment on my hair, or my eyes...or they ask me where I got my necklace or my top. it's like I'm part of the "club" now. And the guys are friendly. Like the other day, I went to the DMV to get a replacement registration sticker (mine disappeared.) When I got into the parking lot, I started to lean down to put on the sticker. I am not joking here...FIVE guys came up to help me. Suddenly, I am some sort of damsel in distress, incapable of adhering a little sticker onto my license plate. Oh, they were eager to help. Very friendly, competitive with one another. Do I delude myself into thinking that all five would have been there, taking over the difficult task of putting a

sticker onto a license plate (NOT), when I weighed 261?

So, my shrink starts telling me that actually, I am quite magnetic, something about my eyes...and that my face is very symmetric, and my features are quite large...as if (and I quote) "one were at the movies, and sitting a bit too close to the screen". This was intended as a compliment (he's a little odd, this shrink.) He tells me that he's sure that I'm getting lots and lots of attention...and that is going to be beside himself with joy when he sees me in person, in all of my "beautiful, magnetic glory". Whatever.

Is this something the shrink would have said before? Nope. And he wasn't really flirting, either. Just observing. I head off to the BMW dealer, because my oil light came on...and because one of my headlights had gone out. My ex had purchased a headlamp bulb at the Concord BMW dealer...but it wasn't the right one, and he wasn't to use it. I went to the one in Berkeley, directly after leaving the shrink. I go up to the counter, and this sales manager type guy comes sprinting over (doesn't usually work behind the counter) to help me. Yes, there are others in line ahead of me, but he beckons me over. He discovers the right part for the headlamp. I tell him that I got the other part in Concord, and he "hushes" me and says, "Tell me you got this here..." So I laughed and said, "Oops, I MEAN I got it here..." The bottom line: the new part was more expensive than the old one. He waived the

difference. I bought the two containers of oil...and then I said I needed to buy a keychain for my electronic key (the old one broke, and most key chains won't fit it). I found one that was $40. So, two things of synthetic oil, a key chain that is $40, and a part that is more expensive than the last. He charged me $20 for the whole thing. He applied his manager discount. THIS IS TWICE IN ONE DAY.

And then he says, "Do you need help installing that?" So I figure, why not, and I bat my eyes. He comes out (in his white shirt and tie), installs my new headlamp, puts in my oil. Asks me my name...and flirts a bit. I smile, and take off in my car.

Now BMW has great service, but let's just say they charge for EVERYTHING. So, this was an unusual experience.

Do I use my new rediscovered power for good...or for EVIL? That's the question.

Now, none of this is fair, or appropriate or any of that. But, you know...it sure is nice. It's nice to have men do cartwheels so that they can hold a door open for you...when in the past, they would be completely oblivious. it's nice to have girls and women tell you that you are cute, part of the sorority. It's nice to discover this whole world of "below marked price" just because the manager thinks you are cute.

It's different. Others perceive and treat you differently...partly because you begin to perceive yourself differently. You project a different energy into the universe. The "I'm worthy" energy.

The flirtation, the "looks"...well, it's all fun. It's like I had been in hibernation, and I've suddenly emerged into this new world that is opening up in front of me. But, at the same time...I don't feel like I want to go crazy...because I know that my exterior really is not who I am. I was gifted with some great genetics...and some bad ones (my weight problem). This surgery and my efforts are making a difference with the bad genetics...and I'm starting to capitalize on the good ones. Wearing make-up more often, and cuter clothes. Carrying myself with more pride. My friend , who is gay and who hasn't seen me in a year, arrived last night from Paris. He said, "Oh my God, I may have to convert. Even your VOICE is lighter. You've changed, I feel shy! Like I'm talking to somebody completely new." Then he added, "shoot, and I'm gay...I can't even imagine what poor Olivier was going through!!"

All of that affirmation is nice. It was great to have a birthday celebration with my gorgeous sister and the rest of my disgustingly beautiful family...to get the pictures back, and to not shreik with horror at how terrible I looked. No, I looked like I belonged in this family. And I looked pretty, and thin.

I still have 40 lbs. to lose before I'm at my personal goal of 135. but I'm at size 12 now, so I'll probably be an 8 (or dare I imaginie a 6?) before this is all over. That opens up a world of clothing possibilities that has been shut to me for a long time.

And although I'm 41, and my chances at conception of a child are not so great because of my age...I don't have weight working against me, too. I might actually be able to get pregnant and carry to term a healthy baby.

And finally...I can read Prevention magazine, or the Berkeley Welllness Letter...and I don't have to become deeply depressed and despondent about the five MORE studies linking obesity to some dread disease. I can have hope for a healthy and vital next 40 years or so. that's a great thing.

I don't know if you are a Christian, but even if not, the Bible holds great wisdom. To slightly misquote a verse, "Whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is holy and edifying and uplifting, think on those things." In other words, in the words of an old song, "Accentuate the positive, DE-centuate the negative."

This is a beautiful, wonderful gift you are being given that will change your life in countless, un imagineable ways. You will be released from such a huge burden...you will have energy to concentrate on other things in your life. All of your problems will not disappear...but you will have a better self-esteem with which to tackle your other problems.

This is a blessing...many of the people on the board are patiently waiting...struggling struggling struggling to get off their pre-surgery weight. Others out there do not have the insurance to cover the surgery, and they are trying to save thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars so that they can do this surgery.

You are looking at surgery in a couple of days. You will be with gifted, experienced surgeons and nursing staff. The statistics at Kaiser for deaths during this surgery is MUCH lower than average. Follow the rules. Get up and walk right after surgery and use the little blowing machine, even when you don't feel like it. Take your own health into your own hands. Know that you've researched this, contempated this, you've gone through a psych screen, a physical screen...and that you are with a very conservative health organization that won't let you have the surgery if you are too high risk.

You are blessed. This is a GOOD thing. Don't pull your hair out. Don't let your fears and anxieties rob from you the joy of this moment. You are just about to take this step into a wonderful journey. Many others have gone before you, with fabulous results. Others wait in line behind you. Hold your head high...give up your fears to your higher power...and move forward with joy.

That's my advice, anyway.

RobynnMICHELLE URIBE wrote:

Hello everyone,

First of all I hope all is well with everyone. I was just wondering 2 things, first did anyone have their surgery at Kaiser?? Or did you all go through someone else?? My second question is, I know that you've all probably been where Im at, so how did you guys deal with the nerves?? , my husband is starting to get worried about me because, the nervousness has gotten so bad that it's kinda starting to make me sick. I've been throwing up and my hair is starting to fall out a little. I consider myself to be pretty brave, and dont take me wrong, Im more than ready for Tuesday, but I cant seem to shake this. Please if anyone has any help, please let me know. Thank you guys so much, and sorry for being such baby..

Ciao,

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for the great advice and support. Good luck on teh Starbucks thing, Im sure you'll do great.. Diane Duenas wrote:

Hi Im not sure if we have been introduced(lol) so to speak, I am . I had my surgery in Kaiser Richmond on Aug 19,2003. I began this journey at 315 pounds and dropped to 150. I have regained to 160 but its my own fault....Im a starbucks junkie. I have of this morning decided to go cold turkey and quit.I can tell you that I have had NO complications. This surgery was the best thing I have ever done. My life has improved way beyond my expectations. Is everything perfect...heck no! I still struggle and the surgery has brought up issues I never considered possible. Would I do it again....IN A HEART BEAT!!Your nerves are normal. I went thru the gammit of emotions from elation on minute and crying jags the next. Take a deep breath, relax and make a list of everything you hope to achieve through this

surgery. TAKE YOUR PICTURE BEFORE SURGERY. That is majorly important. For when you get one to two years out like me and you have days you feel like the 315 pound person I was, I take out those pictures and compare them to current ones and remind myself how far Ive come.Huggles> Hello everyone,> > First of all I hope all is well with everyone. I was just wondering 2 things, first did anyone have their surgery at Kaiser?? Or did you all go through someone else?? My second question is, I know that you've all probably been where Im at, so how did you guys deal with the nerves?? , my husband is starting to get worried about me because, the nervousness has gotten so bad that it's kinda starting to make me sick. I've been throwing up and my hair is

starting to fall out a little. I consider myself to be pretty brave, and dont take me wrong, Im more than ready for Tuesday, but I cant seem to shake this. Please if anyone has any help, please let me know. Thank you guys so much, and sorry for being such baby..> > > Ciao, Ciao,

[Guest guest]

Glad to help, . I had so much encouragement and help from , Pam Marsh, Colleen, Francisco, Tim, , Ramona...as well as everyone else on this board...I have been so blessed, really. I just want to "pay it forward"...you know?RobynnMICHELLE URIBE wrote:

Hi Robynn,

First off, Id like to say thank God for people like you coming into my life. Im realizing quickly that my fears are kind of absurd. I know that I should just be grateful and enjoy the upcoming events. I was actually speaking to my best friend ( who by the way is also gay), and he reminded me of all Ive overcome in my life, and how compared to those things ( child abuse, drug addiction, homelesness) this should be something I can just skip over. He and you guys are all right, Im young and faithful, and this is a great blessing.. I thank you so much for taking the time to write to me. I have so many dreams, and right now Im not giving myself a chance to enjoy them. I mean I'll probably be able to have children now, and be able to enjoy life with my husband, family, and friends. I thank you for the reminder.

With many blessings,

Robynn VanPatten wrote:

Hi ..

I had my surgery at Kaiser Richmond. I was nervous right before, but not to the extent you are talking about. At a certain point, I just had to put my life into God's hands. I had done enough research and soul searching to know that this was my only real solution. I had tried everything else.

At some point, it's just mind over matter. Take deep, cleansing breaths. Walk. Drink water everytime you feel nervous. Do constructive things for yourself. Talk to others...but try to avoid constantly talking about the scary parts...start talking outloud about the good things: you are about to embark upon a new life. You will no longer fear getting on the scale, because you know it will go down (or stay the same occasionally) everytime you get on it. Think about that! You will no longer feel the complete helplessness and self-disgust that you may be feeling in your present state. You will have hope. You will start to see your face emerging from the pudge...your eyes will be bigger...you'll look younger.

You will be able to move more easily. You will be able to get onto a roller coaster without worrying that the little safety bar won't come all the way down. You'll be able to get onto an airplane without worrying that your hips won't fit, or that you'll need to get a seatbelt extender.

You'll be able to throw away your Lane card. You'll be able to walk into the Gap without having the salespeople wonder what the heck you are doing in there.

You will be treated differently by society around you. It's sad, but true, that people treat you better when you are thinner. Here is an example of yesterday:

I had to rush off (after working from home in the a.m.) to a meeting with my psychologist, and then off to the office. I was wearing a little black top (my niece's hand-me-down since I can't wear my own clothes anymore), and a cute little blue/black/gray plaid skirt (courtesty of Pam Marsh). For the first time in a long time, the top looked better tucked in...because, HEY, what do you know? I have a waist now. So, there were belt loops. I put on my black belt. It was huge, ridiculously so. (I have lost 10 inches off of my waist.) So, I went down to Lucky Brands (it's kind of a hip, rock and roll kind of store.) The guy working there (pretty young) found me a belt. It was $50. I saw the tag. There was no sale that day. He rang it up, and it was $30. I said, "Um, I think you made a mistake...the tag said $50." He said, "Yes, I know...but for you it's $30. I'm the manager, and I

applied my manager discount."

OK, but WHY? Well, as he smiled and then told me the belt was perfect, and I looked adorable...it became clear. He didn't ask me for my name or number...he just did this nice thing because, well...because I'm cute, I guess.

So, I go to my shrink, and ironically, he asks me if people treat me differently now that I'm thinner. I told him that I noticed that the young Marina girls talk to me now. They didn't before. It was like I was invisible. Now they comment on my hair, or my eyes...or they ask me where I got my necklace or my top. it's like I'm part of the "club" now. And the guys are friendly. Like the other day, I went to the DMV to get a replacement registration sticker (mine disappeared.) When I got into the parking lot, I started to lean down to put on the sticker. I am not joking here...FIVE guys came up to help me. Suddenly, I am some sort of damsel in distress, incapable of adhering a little sticker onto my license plate. Oh, they were eager to help. Very friendly, competitive with one another. Do I delude myself into thinking that all five would have been there, taking over the difficult task of putting a

sticker onto a license plate (NOT), when I weighed 261?

So, my shrink starts telling me that actually, I am quite magnetic, something about my eyes...and that my face is very symmetric, and my features are quite large...as if (and I quote) "one were at the movies, and sitting a bit too close to the screen". This was intended as a compliment (he's a little odd, this shrink.) He tells me that he's sure that I'm getting lots and lots of attention...and that is going to be beside himself with joy when he sees me in person, in all of my "beautiful, magnetic glory". Whatever.

Is this something the shrink would have said before? Nope. And he wasn't really flirting, either. Just observing. I head off to the BMW dealer, because my oil light came on...and because one of my headlights had gone out. My ex had purchased a headlamp bulb at the Concord BMW dealer...but it wasn't the right one, and he wasn't to use it. I went to the one in Berkeley, directly after leaving the shrink. I go up to the counter, and this sales manager type guy comes sprinting over (doesn't usually work behind the counter) to help me. Yes, there are others in line ahead of me, but he beckons me over. He discovers the right part for the headlamp. I tell him that I got the other part in Concord, and he "hushes" me and says, "Tell me you got this here..." So I laughed and said, "Oops, I MEAN I got it here..." The bottom line: the new part was more expensive than the old one. He waived the

difference. I bought the two containers of oil...and then I said I needed to buy a keychain for my electronic key (the old one broke, and most key chains won't fit it). I found one that was $40. So, two things of synthetic oil, a key chain that is $40, and a part that is more expensive than the last. He charged me $20 for the whole thing. He applied his manager discount. THIS IS TWICE IN ONE DAY.

And then he says, "Do you need help installing that?" So I figure, why not, and I bat my eyes. He comes out (in his white shirt and tie), installs my new headlamp, puts in my oil. Asks me my name...and flirts a bit. I smile, and take off in my car.

Now BMW has great service, but let's just say they charge for EVERYTHING. So, this was an unusual experience.

Do I use my new rediscovered power for good...or for EVIL? That's the question.

Now, none of this is fair, or appropriate or any of that. But, you know...it sure is nice. It's nice to have men do cartwheels so that they can hold a door open for you...when in the past, they would be completely oblivious. it's nice to have girls and women tell you that you are cute, part of the sorority. It's nice to discover this whole world of "below marked price" just because the manager thinks you are cute.

It's different. Others perceive and treat you differently...partly because you begin to perceive yourself differently. You project a different energy into the universe. The "I'm worthy" energy.

The flirtation, the "looks"...well, it's all fun. It's like I had been in hibernation, and I've suddenly emerged into this new world that is opening up in front of me. But, at the same time...I don't feel like I want to go crazy...because I know that my exterior really is not who I am. I was gifted with some great genetics...and some bad ones (my weight problem). This surgery and my efforts are making a difference with the bad genetics...and I'm starting to capitalize on the good ones. Wearing make-up more often, and cuter clothes. Carrying myself with more pride. My friend , who is gay and who hasn't seen me in a year, arrived last night from Paris. He said, "Oh my God, I may have to convert. Even your VOICE is lighter. You've changed, I feel shy! Like I'm talking to somebody completely new." Then he added, "shoot, and I'm gay...I can't even imagine what poor Olivier was going through!!"

All of that affirmation is nice. It was great to have a birthday celebration with my gorgeous sister and the rest of my disgustingly beautiful family...to get the pictures back, and to not shreik with horror at how terrible I looked. No, I looked like I belonged in this family. And I looked pretty, and thin.

I still have 40 lbs. to lose before I'm at my personal goal of 135. but I'm at size 12 now, so I'll probably be an 8 (or dare I imaginie a 6?) before this is all over. That opens up a world of clothing possibilities that has been shut to me for a long time.

And although I'm 41, and my chances at conception of a child are not so great because of my age...I don't have weight working against me, too. I might actually be able to get pregnant and carry to term a healthy baby.

And finally...I can read Prevention magazine, or the Berkeley Welllness Letter...and I don't have to become deeply depressed and despondent about the five MORE studies linking obesity to some dread disease. I can have hope for a healthy and vital next 40 years or so. that's a great thing.

I don't know if you are a Christian, but even if not, the Bible holds great wisdom. To slightly misquote a verse, "Whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is holy and edifying and uplifting, think on those things." In other words, in the words of an old song, "Accentuate the positive, DE-centuate the negative."

This is a beautiful, wonderful gift you are being given that will change your life in countless, un imagineable ways. You will be released from such a huge burden...you will have energy to concentrate on other things in your life. All of your problems will not disappear...but you will have a better self-esteem with which to tackle your other problems.

This is a blessing...many of the people on the board are patiently waiting...struggling struggling struggling to get off their pre-surgery weight. Others out there do not have the insurance to cover the surgery, and they are trying to save thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars so that they can do this surgery.

You are looking at surgery in a couple of days. You will be with gifted, experienced surgeons and nursing staff. The statistics at Kaiser for deaths during this surgery is MUCH lower than average. Follow the rules. Get up and walk right after surgery and use the little blowing machine, even when you don't feel like it. Take your own health into your own hands. Know that you've researched this, contempated this, you've gone through a psych screen, a physical screen...and that you are with a very conservative health organization that won't let you have the surgery if you are too high risk.

You are blessed. This is a GOOD thing. Don't pull your hair out. Don't let your fears and anxieties rob from you the joy of this moment. You are just about to take this step into a wonderful journey. Many others have gone before you, with fabulous results. Others wait in line behind you. Hold your head high...give up your fears to your higher power...and move forward with joy.

That's my advice, anyway.

RobynnMICHELLE URIBE wrote:

Hello everyone,

First of all I hope all is well with everyone. I was just wondering 2 things, first did anyone have their surgery at Kaiser?? Or did you all go through someone else?? My second question is, I know that you've all probably been where Im at, so how did you guys deal with the nerves?? , my husband is starting to get worried about me because, the nervousness has gotten so bad that it's kinda starting to make me sick. I've been throwing up and my hair is starting to fall out a little. I consider myself to be pretty brave, and dont take me wrong, Im more than ready for Tuesday, but I cant seem to shake this. Please if anyone has any help, please let me know. Thank you guys so much, and sorry for being such baby..

Ciao,

[Guest guest]

Good Morning ,

In response to your question about nerves, one other thing to think

about is that you have been losing 10% before surgery....I'm

guessing, because we all do. Fat stores hormones and when the fat

melts off, hormones lose their happy home. Remember that after

surgery too, your husband might as well get used to it once in a

while, it will be emotional. It is very bearable, especially if you

kow what's going on.

Also, you will be doing things you never imagined doing. as you get

ready for the big day, enjoy yourself. You don't need much at the

hospital, so enjoy the little things. Buy some chapstick, soft new

slippers, hand lotion with lavender, jasmine or some other pleasant

smell. Maybe a robe, but if you have an IV it won't work well. PJ's

are not helpful, nasty as it sounds, you might enjoy the hospital

gowns, they do the laundry and you don't!!!! And think of a small

thing to do right after you get home.... that first walk outside

knowing you will probably lose about a pound a day!!!! I don't know

if you work right now, but imagine the faces on people you see every

day!!!! People you didn't tell about the surgery!!!! You are down in

Long Beach right? Maybe you could get over to the Friendship Bell

(Korean Bell) and get a picture of you and you husband before

surgery, then go back in a month, and a month after that!!!! Get a

little photo album just to amaze yourself as you lose!!!!!!

Also, you will be on clear liquids for a while, try to calm your

nerves by grocery shopping!!!! Look for low sugar juice, flavored

broth (we found a garlic roasted chicken broth that Randy loved)!

Sugar free popsicles and Jello. The funny thing is...... Randy and I

bought a ton of it, after two weeks, we still had almost all of it

left!!!! One ounce every fifteen minutes of water fills you up!!!!

Do check out VITALADY.COM she has a lot of flavors as samples!!!!

$1.99 And Randy's new best protein pal is Isopure in the glass

bottle.... we go to the Vitamin Shoppe, but they are almost

anywhere. Take my word for it.....STAY AWAY FROM THE ISOPURE

POWDER!!!!!!!! NASTY!!!!!! And if you do the math, the ready mixed

liquid is cheaper!!!!

Relax, read your binder, stay happy, those are my wishes for you!!!!

Your neighbor!!!!

Sue in Palmdale!!!!

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

Thanks for the asvice, Im sure grateful for all of you guys. I actually went to mass today, and after a special blessing from our priest and congregation, Im feeling awesome. I think that and all your kind wordds has helped me get over the nerves. Im ready now!! 2 more days... Thanks-a-Bunch..

sue mendez wrote:

Good Morning , In response to your question about nerves, one other thing to think about is that you have been losing 10% before surgery....I'm guessing, because we all do. Fat stores hormones and when the fat melts off, hormones lose their happy home. Remember that after surgery too, your husband might as well get used to it once in a while, it will be emotional. It is very bearable, especially if you kow what's going on. Also, you will be doing things you never imagined doing. as you get ready for the big day, enjoy yourself. You don't need much at the hospital, so enjoy the little things. Buy some chapstick, soft new slippers, hand lotion with lavender, jasmine or some other pleasant smell. Maybe a robe, but if you have an IV it won't work well. PJ's are not helpful, nasty as it sounds, you might enjoy the

hospital gowns, they do the laundry and you don't!!!! And think of a small thing to do right after you get home.... that first walk outside knowing you will probably lose about a pound a day!!!! I don't know if you work right now, but imagine the faces on people you see every day!!!! People you didn't tell about the surgery!!!! You are down in Long Beach right? Maybe you could get over to the Friendship Bell (Korean Bell) and get a picture of you and you husband before surgery, then go back in a month, and a month after that!!!! Get a little photo album just to amaze yourself as you lose!!!!!! Also, you will be on clear liquids for a while, try to calm your nerves by grocery shopping!!!! Look for low sugar juice, flavored broth (we found a garlic roasted chicken broth that Randy loved)! Sugar free popsicles and Jello. The funny thing is...... Randy and I bought a ton of it, after two weeks, we still had almost all of

it left!!!! One ounce every fifteen minutes of water fills you up!!!! Do check out VITALADY.COM she has a lot of flavors as samples!!!! $1.99 And Randy's new best protein pal is Isopure in the glass bottle.... we go to the Vitamin Shoppe, but they are almost anywhere. Take my word for it.....STAY AWAY FROM THE ISOPURE POWDER!!!!!!!! NASTY!!!!!! And if you do the math, the ready mixed liquid is cheaper!!!! Relax, read your binder, stay happy, those are my wishes for you!!!!Your neighbor!!!!Sue in Palmdale!!!!Ciao,