Guest guest Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Years ago I had some movement in my intestines under my left rib cage. A doc told me there was a curve there in your intestines and that's why I was feeling it (not really an answer I guess!) Since starting SCD 5 weeks ago, for the past few weeks I've had a lot of "movement" under my right rib cage (sometimes left, but mostly right). I've had 3 children and I can honestly say it feels like a baby kicking me under my rib cage! It's an odd feeling. I did have my gall bladder removed 1 year ago (a surgery I wish I had never had done) and the movement I feel is in the same spot. But since I sometimes feel the movement under my left rib cage as well I don't think it's gall bladder related. Just wondering if others have that and what it is and if it's a good thing or a bad thing?? Thanks to all for all your answers to the many questions we newbies post!!! Marla IBS-D 20 years SCD 5 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Hi, I've had kids too, so I know that feeling. My best guess is gas. The gas bubbles move around and it feels like the fluttering of the baby movements in pregnancy ( except at the end when it's an outright kick - ouch!). If you are doing well otherwise,and it's not painful, I would not worry. If you notice a particular food gives you gas, then eliminate it for a while. PJ > > Years ago I had some movement in my intestines under my left rib cage. A doc told me there was a curve there in your intestines and that's why I was feeling it (not really an answer I guess!) > > Since starting SCD 5 weeks ago, for the past few weeks I've had a lot of " movement " under my right rib cage (sometimes left, but mostly right). I've had 3 children and I can honestly say it feels like a baby kicking me under my rib cage! It's an odd feeling. I did have my gall bladder removed 1 year ago (a surgery I wish I had never had done) and the movement I feel is in the same spot. But since I sometimes feel the movement under my left rib cage as well I don't think it's gall bladder related. > > Just wondering if others have that and what it is and if it's a good thing or a bad thing?? > > Thanks to all for all your answers to the many questions we newbies post!!! > > Marla > IBS-D 20 years > SCD 5 weeks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 This is more than fluttering...I usually put my hand there and push to try and stop the "movement"...like I was trying to get a baby's foot moved from under my ribs Marla From: smdsmom2008 Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:26 AM To: BTVC-SCD Subject: Re: intestine movement? Hi,I've had kids too, so I know that feeling. My best guess is gas. The gas bubbles move around and it feels like the fluttering of the baby movements in pregnancy ( except at the end when it's an outright kick - ouch!).If you are doing well otherwise,and it's not painful, I would not worry. If you notice a particular food gives you gas, then eliminate it for a while.PJ>> Years ago I had some movement in my intestines under my left rib cage. A doc told me there was a curve there in your intestines and that's why I was feeling it (not really an answer I guess!)> > Since starting SCD 5 weeks ago, for the past few weeks I've had a lot of "movement" under my right rib cage (sometimes left, but mostly right). I've had 3 children and I can honestly say it feels like a baby kicking me under my rib cage! It's an odd feeling. I did have my gall bladder removed 1 year ago (a surgery I wish I had never had done) and the movement I feel is in the same spot. But since I sometimes feel the movement under my left rib cage as well I don't think it's gall bladder related.> > Just wondering if others have that and what it is and if it's a good thing or a bad thing?? > > Thanks to all for all your answers to the many questions we newbies post!!!> > Marla> IBS-D 20 years> SCD 5 weeks> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 If it is gas, which sounds likely, and you are at all flexible, you could try a yoga position to help eliminate it, called halasana, plough pose - you lie on your back and bring your knees up and then using your hands at the side of your body, bring your lower back up as well. If you are very flexible, you can put your feet on the floor behind your head, if not, just leave them up in the air, your knees moving towards your chest or head. Then you can stack your fists on your forehead and let your knees come to rest on your elbows. Or, if you want to go further, you can join your hands together around your knees and then, if you want, press in a bit. Puts pressure on the abdomen and lets it release gas. Here's a picture, but you don't have to go that far with it, this is the ideal of the pose, not the pose as a work in progress: http://yoga.about.com/od/yogaposes/a/plow.htm Mara > Hi, > I've had kids too, so I know that feeling. My best guess is gas. The gas bubbles move around and it feels like the fluttering of the baby movements in pregnancy ( except at the end when it's an outright kick - ouch!). > If you are doing well otherwise,and it's not painful, I would not worry. If you notice a particular food gives you gas, then eliminate it for a while. > > PJ > > >> >> Years ago I had some movement in my intestines under my left rib cage. A doc told me there was a curve there in your intestines and that's why I was feeling it (not really an answer I guess!) >> >> Since starting SCD 5 weeks ago, for the past few weeks I've had a lot of " movement " under my right rib cage (sometimes left, but mostly right). I've had 3 children and I can honestly say it feels like a baby kicking me under my rib cage! It's an odd feeling. I did have my gall bladder removed 1 year ago (a surgery I wish I had never had done) and the movement I feel is in the same spot. But since I sometimes feel the movement under my left rib cage as well I don't think it's gall bladder related. >> >> Just wondering if others have that and what it is and if it's a good thing or a bad thing?? >> >> Thanks to all for all your answers to the many questions we newbies post!!! >> >> Marla >> IBS-D 20 years >> SCD 5 weeks >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Marla I have functional disorders of the upper GI, so have a number of symptoms that occur in the right upper quadrant. Just where you're describing the recent episodes of spasms. I've had to learn a lot about anatomy in the upper GI as a result of my dealing with symptoms all the time. The critical thing is to consider the pain level. If you just feel a cramp and spasm, with little pain, then it is most likely coming from the large intestine (transverse colon). Could be normal peristalsis as the food/chyme moves along. Did you know that it is common for those people who no longer have a gallbladder (or have other digestive disorders) to begin to experience pain with normal peristalsis? Peristalsis is the autonomic muscle movement along the intestinal walls, which moves food along the digestive tract. This happened to me too; the important thing is to pay attention to how severe the pain and how long it lasts. If it comes and goes, but isn't too severe, then I wait and just mention it to my gastroenterologist at my annual appointment; he has given me several lessons on what pain and where it is located that is now normal for me, and what types of pain and location that will need immediate or rapid attention. If it is severe or lasts for hours, then I head for my primary care physician, or the ER. But there are several important organs on the right side, and muscles that can spasm. The fact that you no longer have a gallbladder might indicate you are experiencing spasms in the common bile duct or the Sphincter of Oddi. I have Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction, and also don't have a gallbladder, so feel spasms in these two places all the time -- but the pain signature is unique, and the pain levels are generally bad enough that I need to lie down for a bit or seek a pain reliever. With the bile duct issues I also get considerable pain between my shoulder blades -- are you feeling that too? Left-sided upper quadrant pain generally occurs where the transverse colon meets the descending colon. I get that quite often due to dealing with chronic constipation. But the spleen and pancreas is over on that side too. So, it is mostly likely just peristalsis or gas, so nothing much to worry about. Could be connected to something you're eating right now. But it might be wise to check in with your doctor if it continues or the pain levels rise. Kim M. SCD 5+ years Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction 6 years neurological deterioration 3+ years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Marla, This happens to me from time to time but a little further down and on the right. I can actually feel ripples when I push on it. I think it's gas too. The funny thing is I never had an intestinal noise before Crohn's/SCD. Now, they are so bad sometime I get embarassed. I also push on mine to get it moving too. Misty Kimble CD - no meds SCD - 23 months > > This is more than fluttering...I usually put my hand there and push to try and stop the " movement " ...like I was trying to get a baby's foot moved from under my ribs > > Marla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Thanks for the long explanation. I don't have any pain at all associated w/it , just this weird feeling of movement. BUT, I do have that pain between my shoulder blades. It seems to come and stay for a few weeks then I don't don't feel it for a while. I had it before my gall bladder was removed and hoped that the surgery would take care of it, but it didn't. It's probably peristalsis I'm guessing. I wish I had a good GI doc.... Marla From: kkmumbower Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 8:03 AM To: BTVC-SCD Subject: Re: Re: intestine movement? Marla I have functional disorders of the upper GI, so have a number of symptoms that occur in the right upper quadrant. Just where you're describing the recent episodes of spasms. I've had to learn a lot about anatomy in the upper GI as a result of my dealing with symptoms all the time. The critical thing is to consider the pain level. If you just feel a cramp and spasm, with little pain, then it is most likely coming from the large intestine (transverse colon). Could be normal peristalsis as the food/chyme moves along. Did you know that it is common for those people who no longer have a gallbladder (or have other digestive disorders) to begin to experience pain with normal peristalsis? Peristalsis is the autonomic muscle movement along the intestinal walls, which moves food along the digestive tract. This happened to me too; the important thing is to pay attention to how severe the pain and how long it lasts. If it comes and goes, but isn't too severe, then I wait and just mention it to my gastroenterologist at my annual appointment; he has given me several lessons on what pain and where it is located that is now normal for me, and what types of pain and location that will need immediate or rapid attention. If it is severe or lasts for hours, then I head for my primary care physician, or the ER. But there are several important organs on the right side, and muscles that can spasm. The fact that you no longer have a gallbladder might indicate you are experiencing spasms in the common bile duct or the Sphincter of Oddi. I have Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction, and also don't have a gallbladder, so feel spasms in these two places all the time -- but the pain signature is unique, and the pain levels are generally bad enough that I need to lie down for a bit or seek a pain reliever. With the bile duct issues I also get considerable pain between my shoulder blades -- are you feeling that too? Left-sided upper quadrant pain generally occurs where the transverse colon meets the descending colon. I get that quite often due to dealing with chronic constipation. But the spleen and pancreas is over on that side too. So, it is mostly likely just peristalsis or gas, so nothing much to worry about. Could be connected to something you're eating right now. But it might be wise to check in with your doctor if it continues or the pain levels rise. Kim M. SCD 5+ years Sphincter of Oddi dysfunction 6 years neurological deterioration 3+ years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2009 Report Share Posted December 19, 2009 Pain between the shoulder blades after a meal or snack is a classic location of referred pain from biliary tree issues (that's liver, common bile duct, gallbladder) and pancreatic tree issues (pancreas, pancreatic duct). Sometimes our bodies don't adapt to the loss of a gallbladder; sometimes our bodies go on to develop other issues with the upper GI. Upper right quadrant pain and nausea usually accompany really severe issues, so if you're not experiencing that I wouldn't worry. Could be something like peristalsis or gas in your transverse colon pushing on the liver or common bile duct a bit. Do you keep a food log? You might find some patterns; the weird movements only come a day or two after a certain food. Also a change in liver or pancreatic enzyme levels will usually accompany a major problem, so if your blood work is showing normal enzyme levels, then you shouldn't worry. Might be worth asking your primary care doctor to run the tests for liver and pancreatic enzyme levels, just to make sure. Also you could check in with your gastroenterologist; there are a few tests that can be run to check on your biliary tree, such as a HIDA scan or ultrasound or MRCP. And a few other tests if your situation warrants them. Your body will let you know if something serious is developing. I had to see three gastroenterologists before I found my current one who realized my problem was one of the uncommon ones, and ordered the necessary tests to confirm. My other gastroenterologists just told me it was stress [sigh]. They only ran the standard tests and didn't listen to me. Sometimes you have to keep asking questions and seeking solutions. In the meantime, I wouldn't worry. Let the level of your symptoms be your guide. If you get worried, check in with your doctors, or find new ones to ask. Kim M. SCD 5+ years >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the long explanation. I don't have any pain at all associated w/it , just this weird feeling of movement. BUT, I do have that pain between my shoulder blades. It seems to come and stay for a few weeks then I don't don't feel it for a while. I had it before my gall bladder was removed and hoped that the surgery would take care of it, but it didn't. It's probably peristalsis I'm guessing. I wish I had a good GI doc....Marla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2009 Report Share Posted December 26, 2009 When I started SCD, I had these weird vibrations/spasms under my left rib cage for the first 2 or 3 weeks. No pain though. I've always wondered what caused it. Maybe my body was just adjusting to the new way of eating. Holly Crohn's SCD 12/01/08 > > Years ago I had some movement in my intestines under my left rib cage. A doc told me there was a curve there in your intestines and that's why I was feeling it (not really an answer I guess!) > > Since starting SCD 5 weeks ago, for the past few weeks I've had a lot of " movement " under my right rib cage (sometimes left, but mostly right). I've had 3 children and I can honestly say it feels like a baby kicking me under my rib cage! It's an odd feeling. I did have my gall bladder removed 1 year ago (a surgery I wish I had never had done) and the movement I feel is in the same spot. But since I sometimes feel the movement under my left rib cage as well I don't think it's gall bladder related. > > Just wondering if others have that and what it is and if it's a good thing or a bad thing?? > > Thanks to all for all your answers to the many questions we newbies post!!! > > Marla > IBS-D 20 years > SCD 5 weeks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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