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Hi Gobo,

Nice to hear from you. That's great that you have a surgery date! I'm hoping

for August or September, depending on which surgeon I choose.

That's interesting about the artificial sweeteners. I've been making the

shakes with water, not milk. I have never been a big user of artificial

sweeteners, don't drink diet drinks, etc. so that could be it! That would be

a drag!

So far it's manageable, so I'll keep on trying. You're right about the nails

and hair. I had a VBG in 1990 and it's hard for me to eat enough meat to

keep my protein levels up. I should have started protein drinks a long time

ago, just for health's sake.

I'll be thinking about you and sending hopeful and positive thoughts to the

almighty one that your surgery is a huge success and your recovery is a

breeze. Well . . . we can ask!!!

Let me know how the shakes go.

Peace,

Robyn

> >

> Hi Robyn;

> Yes, I have a firm surgery date of July 9, 2001. I'm really excited

> but I'm also getting nervous; feeling as though there are things I

> should be taking care of that I'm not thinking of.

>

> Are you drinking the HMR with water as the directions say or with

> milk? My surgeon (Dr. ) specifies to do it with skim milk

> to enhance the Protein.

>

> I spoke to a nurse who is very involved with nutrition. He said that

> possibly it's the artificial sweetner that is causing the diarrhea.

> He also said that it is not unusual that my digestion is not at its

> best. I'm not sure if he meant considering how I've eaten the past

> years or considering how large I am now. Whatever1

>

> I do think that he may be on to something; that the problem is the

> artificial sweetner. Now, if I could just figure out how to overcome

> this obstacle. Like you it does not prevent me from doing this

> diet; it just makes life very, well, urgent at times. ;-}

>

> I was hoping to continue with perhaps one shake a day

> post-surgery in an effort to keep my protein up. These shakes

> (especially the Lindora fruit ones) really are so yummy.

>

> By the way, I was told that the most important reason for stocking

> up on Protein prior to surgery is to aid in recovery afterwards. I've

> noticed a dramatic improvement in my nails, teeth and hair. I

> must have really been lacking in protein before. I've not done as

> well as you have in losing. I've lost 5 pounds in about 2 weeks.

>

> Good luck to you too. Let me know how it goes.

>

> gobo

> DS - July 9, 2001

> Dr.

> BMI 55

>

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Vickie...

The Richmond program actually advises that you not drink the protein drinks. They would rather you get your nutrition from real food, as they believe that it is a more sustainable lifestyle, and will feel less like a "diet"...less like something that you do for a whle, and then stray from. Others on the board disagree with this advice. Many think that protein drinks are essential, because otherwise you can't get all of your protein intake. As for me, I've had protein drinks occasionally...like when I'm running late and I can't have anything else...but that is what I used to do in my "before" life, as well. It wasn't a diet aide so much as a convenience, and a way to get nutrition when my life was on the run.

There are many different kinds of shakes, some fruit oriented instead of chocolate. Some that are not milk based (maybe you are lactose intolerant)...so, you probably could find something that works for you. But you don't have to. There are plenty of people who achieve and maintain successful weight losses without them.

As for me, I started out at 261, and 5'6". I had my surgery on June 8, and had lost down to 235.5 by the time of surgery. (my 10 percent loss that Kaiser Richmond requires.) So, here I am, four and a half months later...down to 171. In 10 lbs., I will be down 100 lbs. total, including the pre-surgery weight loss. To my surprise, I am at a size 10, which is odd...because I wasn't a size 10 when I weighed much less before. I want to lose another 36 lbs., and it's possible I'll be a 6 or even a 4 by then. I'm trying not to be cocky, because this is the "easy" part...the honeymoon part. My weight loss has slowed down...I've lost about 5 lbs. total in the last 3 weeks...but part of that is being on a vacation where I ate a bit more richly than I normally would...and I probably didn't get as much water...and I didn't get as much exercise. So, now that I'm back to normal, and I have 2 months until I go to Paris...I want to

really get back into my routine, and hopefully shed another 20 plus lbs. before I get there. the joy of this surgery is that i can be confident that it will happen, you know?

Good luck on your journey, we're here to help.

robynnVickie Elleboudt wrote:

Hi,My name is Vickie and I live in Tustin CA. I am just starting the process with Kaiser, for the Gastric Bypass Surgery. I am still not sure about having the surgery. At the same time I know my health will deminish if I don't have it. I am 5' 7" tall and weight 315. Anyway my question is, I have tried slimfast, glucerna and Optifast, and they make me feel sick. Cramping and constipation. Have you ever heard of anyone who could not drink the protein drinks? I am already lactose intolerant.I have been reading the posts in this group for the last few weeks and you all are so supportive and wonderful. Thank You, for sharing.Vickie

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Vickie, I could presurgery but post, the only protein

drink I can now drink is made by a company called EAS

Sports. They are the carb control drinks and they

have 15 grams per container, 1 gram of carbs and less

than one gram of sugar. It is a 11oz container. I

used to consume the protein made by Champion Nutrition

(Pure Whey Stack and Proscore 100 - both in chocolate)

and Isopure Zero but they make me feel gasey and

bother my tummy. So for me until this bothers me,

that is what I will consume. I usually drink one on

most days but there have been days when I have had 2.

They only have 100 calories per drink.

I hope that helps and I wish you luck with deciding

about the surgery.

Pam Marsh - 103 pounds gone but not forgotten

--- Vickie Elleboudt Velleboudt@...> wrote:

> Hi,

> My name is Vickie and I live in Tustin CA. I am just

> starting the process with Kaiser, for the

> Gastric Bypass Surgery. I am still not sure about

> having the surgery. At the same time I know

> my health will deminish if I don't have it. I am 5'

> 7 " tall and weight 315. Anyway my question

> is, I have tried slimfast, glucerna and Optifast,

> and they make me feel sick. Cramping and

> constipation. Have you ever heard of anyone who

> could not drink the protein drinks? I am

> already lactose intolerant.

>

> I have been reading the posts in this group for the

> last few weeks and you all are so

> supportive and wonderful. Thank You, for sharing.

>

> Vickie

>

>

>

>

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> > Hi,

> > My name is Vickie and I live in Tustin CA. I am just

> > starting the process with Kaiser, for the

> > Gastric Bypass Surgery. I am still not sure about

> > having the surgery. At the same time I know

> > my health will deminish if I don't have it. I am 5'

> > 7 " tall and weight 315. Anyway my question

> > is, I have tried slimfast, glucerna and Optifast,

> > and they make me feel sick. Cramping and

> > constipation. Have you ever heard of anyone who

> > could not drink the protein drinks? I am

> > already lactose intolerant.

> >

> > I have been reading the posts in this group for the

> > last few weeks and you all are so

> > supportive and wonderful. Thank You, for sharing.

> >

> > Vickie

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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Vickie

I havent read the other replies to this yet, so I hope Im not

repeating. The drinks you mentioned are NOT protein dirnks. They are

only weight loss supplements with questionable benefits. Go to

vitalady.com and order some samples. There are some fruit ones and

check to see if there are any lactose free ones. Mix them with

water!! Milk just adds extra sugar and calories. Richmond does not

want us doing protein shakes at all. I didnt do them for the first

year. After that I began doing them because I was told by other

groups that I needed them. I do one a day.

Huggles

>

> Hi,

> My name is Vickie and I live in Tustin CA. I am just starting the

process with Kaiser, for the

> Gastric Bypass Surgery. I am still not sure about having the

surgery. At the same time I know

> my health will deminish if I don't have it. I am 5' 7 " tall and

weight 315. Anyway my question

> is, I have tried slimfast, glucerna and Optifast, and they make me

feel sick. Cramping and

> constipation. Have you ever heard of anyone who could not drink

the protein drinks? I am

> already lactose intolerant.

>

> I have been reading the posts in this group for the last few weeks

and you all are so

> supportive and wonderful. Thank You, for sharing.

>

> Vickie

>

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