Re: Yogurt and infection?

[Guest guest]

At 09:25 AM 12/24/2009, you wrote:

Sorry, can't get this thing out

of my head -- why this when I have just started getting

better?

Andy -- always remember, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean the

universe ISN'T out to get you!

Seriously, now -- no, the SCD yogurt wouldn't have caused the infection.

Most likely, you reduced your carbs when you went SCD (if, like most of

us, you were a starch-o-holic, that is!) -- and that can cause lots of

urination.

Another side effect of going SCD is the initial die-off of bad bacteria

in the gut which can result in flu-like symptoms and generally feeling

wretched.

What's possible is that you have had a sub-clinical infection in the

prostate for some time, and with the changes in your system, it simply

decided to rear its head. (They do this. My husband had one on-and-off

for several years -- it always reared its head at the most inconvenient

times. He eventually got the better of it.) Bad bacteria are

opportunistic like that.

You'll get the better of it and your gut issues! Kim M. has given you the

best advice for antibiotics and probiotics.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

My dear ones-

I just got back from the doc's office. My prostate is inflamed and when he

examined my urethra, there was an opaque drop of urine. He said it is not normal

and looked like pus. But then I that's always been the case, and there was

nothing to be worried about. The doc wants me to do some tests for possible

fistula between the prostate and the rectum. Got to wait and see.

So, as Marilyn says, may be I have always had prostate inflammation and within a

week or two of starting SCD, everything came up as the bad bugs were washed

away.

The doc also said it is highly unlikely that good bacteria and yogurt has

anything to prostate inflammation. That's of course my biggest concern.

The silver lining is: SCD works in my case as evidenced over the last few weeks.

If I have to have a surgery, antibiotics, prednisone etc, I feel comfortable

that theres' something finally to fall back on.

-Andy.

[Guest guest]

Amen to that! Glad you are getting some answers. And, hopefully,

some reassurances from this board that you will be alright in the weeks and

months to come. Hang in there with the SCD and Happy Holidays!

Carol

CD 21 yrs SCD 5 yrs

From:

BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of Andy

Ram

The silver lining is: SCD works in my case as evidenced over the last few

weeks. If I have to have a surgery, antibiotics, prednisone etc, I feel

comfortable that theres' something finally to fall back on.

[Guest guest]

What about Candida causing prostatitis? Doesn't cleaning bad bacteria increase

fungal load and may be increased Candida?

>

> Amen to that! Glad you are getting some answers. And, hopefully, some

> reassurances from this board that you will be alright in the weeks and

> months to come. Hang in there with the SCD and Happy Holidays!

>

> Carol

>

> CD 21 yrs SCD 5 yrs

[Guest guest]

I just bought Cranberry concentrate from NOW. It has Mg stearate and Gelatin,

both of which are legal ingredients. I hope this is legal??

NOW

Cranberry Concentrate

100 capsules

Nutrition Facts

Serving Size: 2 Capsules

Servings Per Container: 50

Amount

Per Serving % Daily

Value*

Total Calories 5

Total Carbohydrates 1.1 g <1%

Dietary Fiber 0.5 g 2%

Sugars 0.6 g

Show Net Carbs

Net Carbs

Minus Fiber 0.6 g

Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid) 20 mg 33%

Cranberry Concentrate (fruit) (1,400mg of 8:1 concentrate) 1.4 g

*Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.

Contains NO sugar, salt, starch, yeast, wheat, gluten, soy, milk, egg, shellfish

or preservatives.

Other Ingredients: Gelatin (capsule) and magnesium stearate (vegetable source).

Recommended Use: As a dietary supplement, take 2 capsules 1 to 2 times daily,

preferably with meals.

[Guest guest]

Andy,

That would be very rare, and being a yeast, would not respond to antibiotics.

You probably had a urine test that showed bacteria- which would rule out

Candida.

I hope you feel better and have a good Christmas.

PJ

> >

> > Amen to that! Glad you are getting some answers. And, hopefully, some

> > reassurances from this board that you will be alright in the weeks and

> > months to come. Hang in there with the SCD and Happy Holidays!

> >

> > Carol

> >

> > CD 21 yrs SCD 5 yrs

>

[Guest guest]

Here is a list of illegal and legal additives:

http://pecanbread.com/p/Sup1.html

Gelatin is legal, I believe, and Mg Stearate is legal also. I think you're good

to go, but I'll let some old timers check this before you use them.

PJ

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>

>

> I just bought Cranberry concentrate from NOW. It has Mg stearate and Gelatin,

both of which are legal ingredients. I hope this is legal??

>

> NOW

> Cranberry Concentrate

> 100 capsules

> Nutrition Facts

> Serving Size: 2 Capsules

> Servings Per Container: 50

>

>

> Amount

> Per Serving % Daily

> Value*

>

> Total Calories 5

>

> Total Carbohydrates 1.1 g <1%

>

> Dietary Fiber 0.5 g 2%

>

> Sugars 0.6 g

>

> Show Net Carbs

> Net Carbs

> Minus Fiber 0.6 g

>

> Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid) 20 mg 33%

>

>

> Cranberry Concentrate (fruit) (1,400mg of 8:1 concentrate) 1.4 g

>

>

> *Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.

>

> Contains NO sugar, salt, starch, yeast, wheat, gluten, soy, milk, egg,

shellfish or preservatives.

>

>

> Other Ingredients: Gelatin (capsule) and magnesium stearate (vegetable

source).

>

> Recommended Use: As a dietary supplement, take 2 capsules 1 to 2 times daily,

preferably with meals.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Andy,Hope you get relief and feel comfort soon.RuthRe: Yogurt and infection?Posted by: "Andy Ram" andy.thestud@... andy.thestudThu Dec 24, 2009 1:13 pm (PST)My dear ones-I just got back from the doc's office. My prostate is inflamed and when he examined my urethra, there was an opaque drop of urine. He said it is not normal and looked like pus. But then I that's always been the case, and there was nothing to be worried about. The doc wants me to do some tests for possible fistula between the prostate and the rectum. Got to wait and see.So, as Marilyn says, may be I have always had prostate inflammation and within a week or two of starting SCD, everything came up as the bad bugs were washed away.The doc also said it is highly unlikely that good bacteria and yogurt has anything to prostate inflammation. That's of course my biggest concern.The silver lining is: SCD works in my case as evidenced over the last few weeks. If I have to have a surgery, antibiotics, prednisone etc, I feel comfortable that theres' something finally to fall back on.-Andy.Back to topReply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (4)

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PJ-

The funny thing is, the doc hasn't seen the urine results yet for bacteria.

There are white cells indicative of inflammation. He prescribed me antibiotics

because that's the first line of defense. Interestingly, only 5-10% of all

prostatitis are bacterial, the remaining 90% is unknown!!!

-Andy.

>

> Andy,

> That would be very rare, and being a yeast, would not respond to antibiotics.

You probably had a urine test that showed bacteria- which would rule out

Candida.

> I hope you feel better and have a good Christmas.

> PJ

>

[Guest guest]

Hopefully he sent a culture and you will see soon. Last spring, before I started

SCD, I was pretty sick and got UTI's.( it's more common for women though). I

think it was because of being so run down, dehydrated, and susceptible to

infections in general. They resolved thankfully. Once you start feeling better

and stronger, it will help not only physically but mentally. Focus on having a

good Christmas ( if you celebrate it) and get plenty of rest and fluids. You can

also drink diluted legal cranberry juice. Have you seen pecanbread.com for a

list of legal items and other great information? It's for kids- but helps adults

too. Hope you feel better.

PJ

> >

> > Andy,

> > That would be very rare, and being a yeast, would not respond to

antibiotics. You probably had a urine test that showed bacteria- which would

rule out Candida.

> > I hope you feel better and have a good Christmas.

> > PJ

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You can take circumin pills - it's the active ingredient in turmeric and is a

great anti-inflammatory and has lots of other health benefits as well, as you

probably know, being from India.

Also coconut oil.

Mara

> Hopefully he sent a culture and you will see soon. Last spring, before I

started SCD, I was pretty sick and got UTI's.( it's more common for women

though). I think it was because of being so run down, dehydrated, and

susceptible to infections in general. They resolved thankfully. Once you start

feeling better and stronger, it will help not only physically but mentally.

Focus on having a good Christmas ( if you celebrate it) and get plenty of rest

and fluids. You can also drink diluted legal cranberry juice. Have you seen

pecanbread.com for a list of legal items and other great information? It's for

kids- but helps adults too. Hope you feel better.

>

> PJ

>

>

>>>

>>> Andy,

>>> That would be very rare, and being a yeast, would not respond to

antibiotics. You probably had a urine test that showed bacteria- which would

rule out Candida.

>>> I hope you feel better and have a good Christmas.

>>> PJ

>>>

>>

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[Guest guest]

I had prostatitis recently but no bacteria infection showed up. Doctor gave me

some cypro but I didn't take it since there was no bacterial infection. I took

a natural substance (not sure it's legal so check it out) called D-Mannose and

it cleared it up for me. I won't take antibiotics unless I absolutely have too

because it mucks my stomach up really bad when I take them. Try this out and

I'm sure it will work for you as it does for many others who've used it.

> >>>

> >>> Andy,

> >>> That would be very rare, and being a yeast, would not respond to

antibiotics. You probably had a urine test that showed bacteria- which would

rule out Candida.

> >>> I hope you feel better and have a good Christmas.

> >>> PJ

> >>>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

[Guest guest]

I took a natural substance (not

sure it's legal so check it out) called D-Mannose and it cleared it up

for me.

D-Mannose is not SCD-legal. Bad news.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 09:56 AM 12/25/2009, you wrote:

I took a natural substance

(not sure it's legal so check it out) called D-Mannose and it cleared it

up for me.

Mannose is not legal.

It is a polysaccharide.

Mannose, in particular, is not well-digested in humans. Therefore, it

will feed the bad bacteria in the gut.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Marilyn-- you're confusing mannitol with mannose? D-Mannose is a monosaccharide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannose

Therefore, it does not significantly enter the carbohydrate metabolism when

taken orally, and although traces of exogeneously introduced mannose have been

detected in all body tissues, using radioactive markers, in a well hydrated

mammal, although further studies are necessary, 90% of mannose ingested is

excreted unconverted into the urine within 30 - 60 minutes, with 99% of the

remainder being excreted within the following 8 hours. There is no significant

increase in blood-glucose levels during this time.

The idea is mannose inhibits E.coli adhesion to urinary tract cells. A number of

google entries seem to suggest this is the case in UTI. How and why did it help

, who's urine cultures were negative for bacteria?

> > I took a natural substance (not sure it's

> > legal so check it out) called D-Mannose and it cleared it up for me.

>

> Mannose is not legal.

>

> It is a polysaccharide.

>

> Mannose, in particular, is not well-digested in

> humans. Therefore, it will feed the bad bacteria in the gut.

[Guest guest]

-

How did they diagnose prostatitis -- did you have swollen glands, inflammation,

burning etc?

And how long did it take to clear it up?

Did you try cranberry concentrate?

-Andy.

>

> I had prostatitis recently but no bacteria infection showed up. Doctor gave

me some cypro but I didn't take it since there was no bacterial infection. I

took a natural substance (not sure it's legal so check it out) called D-Mannose

and it cleared it up for me. I won't take antibiotics unless I absolutely have

too because it mucks my stomach up really bad when I take them. Try this out

and I'm sure it will work for you as it does for many others who've used it.

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 11:45 AM 12/25/2009, you wrote:

Marilyn-- you're confusing mannitol with mannose? D-Mannose is a

monosaccharide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannose

Take a look at the chart further down the page.

Polysaccharides

Glucose/Glucan: Glycogen · Starch (Amylose, Amylopectin) · Cellulose ·

Dextrin/Dextran · Beta-glucan (Zymosan, Lentinan, Sizofiran) ·

Maltodextrin

Fructose/Fructan: Inulin · Levan beta 2 6

Mannose/Mannan

Galactose/Galactan

N-Acetylglucosamine: Chitin

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

Mara-

that's right. I used to take a lot of turmeric in my food till I started SCD --

haven't done it since I had postponed it for trying later. I guess I will start

now.

Also, I got an email (see below) about additives in Indian spice powders bought

at stores (House of Spices, Laxmi Brand). I can request for an official letter..

HOSINDIA@... to me

Andy: Our Laxmi brand pure spices have no additives n nothing is added as non

caking agents.

Thanking you for using Laxmi Brand prdcts,

G L Soni

>

> You can take circumin pills - it's the active ingredient in turmeric and is a

> great anti-inflammatory and has lots of other health benefits as well, as you

> probably know, being from India.

>

> Also coconut oil.

>

> Mara

[Guest guest]

The list shows the monomers first and their corresponding polymers next. Such as

glucose--> glucan... etc. Similarly mannose--> mannan.

Also, mannose is only an isomer of glucose. See structure above. If it is 100%

pure, should be legal?

The same thing holds for fructose. I guess the concern is not having pure

monosaccharide. BTVC list says, thus:

Granulated fructose (or even liquid) that is sold as " fructose " has a mixture of

other trisaccharides, etc. in it. It is extracted from corn and they are not too

fussy about eliminating a few molecules of whatever that may get in with it.

What about pure glucose?

> Polysaccharides

>

> Glucose/Glucan: Glycogen · Starch (Amylose,

> Amylopectin) · Cellulose · Dextrin/Dextran ·

> Beta-glucan (Zymosan, Lentinan, Sizofiran) · Maltodextrin

>

> Fructose/Fructan: Inulin · Levan beta 2 6

>

> Mannose/Mannan

>

> Galactose/Galactan

> N-Acetylglucosamine: Chitin

>

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the information on D-Mannose. I'm glad you clarified that.

Unless there's a natural substance out there that is SCD legal, that's what I'll

continue to use because I simply cannot tolerate antibiotics anymore. Was on

them for five years with lyme disease (still have it) and they tore my stomach

up. I believe antibiotics are part of the reason my gut is so messed up.

Is there a natural product that is SCD legal (other than cranberry juice) that

can help prostatitis? I know cranberry juice is good for UTI's but I've read

it doesn't really help prostatitis too much.

> > I took a natural substance (not sure it's

> > legal so check it out) called D-Mannose and it cleared it up for me.

>

> Mannose is not legal.

>

> It is a polysaccharide.

>

> Mannose, in particular, is not well-digested in

> humans. Therefore, it will feed the bad bacteria in the gut.

>

>

> — Marilyn

> New Orleans, Louisiana, USA

> Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

> Darn Good SCD Cook

> No Human Children

> Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

>

[Guest guest]

Here's some good info on d-mannose related to UTI's and prostatitis

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_257/ai_n7638062/

If you do a google search on d-mannose, prostatitis and UTI's you'll find lots

of people who have benefitted from it. Even some MD's recommend it.

If I had a positive bacterial infection show up on my test, I'd probably have to

take antibiotics unless I could find a natural antibiotic possibly. Antibiotics

are just too dangerous for many people and cause too many side effects,

including yeast over growth, etc.

Anyway, if d-mannose is illegal on scd, I am not encouraging anyone to take it.

I'm simply telling you my (and many others) good experience with a natural

product.

> > > I took a natural substance (not sure it's

> > > legal so check it out) called D-Mannose and it cleared it up for me.

> >

> > Mannose is not legal.

> >

> > It is a polysaccharide.

> >

> > Mannose, in particular, is not well-digested in

> > humans. Therefore, it will feed the bad bacteria in the gut.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, burning sensation and swollen glands. I was having a severe burning

sensation when urinating. The doctor tested me for UTI's and did some other

culture tests to see if I had anything else going on. He did the " finger test "

too and said my prostate was slightly enlarged (psa fine). He said that even

though there is no infection according to the test to go ahead and take cypro.

I decided to research natural remedies and found tons of information on

d-mannose and UTI's and prostatitis. Plus, I belong to lymenet forum and many

people with lyme (I have lyme disease) tend to deal with these issues. Several

people on the lyme forum told me about d-mannose and how it helped them. I

tried it and it cleared it up for me in about a week to ten days.

If you have a positive test you probably need the antibiotics because that would

show you have an active infection and could cause considerable damage to your

kidneys if left untreated.

> >

> > I had prostatitis recently but no bacteria infection showed up. Doctor gave

me some cypro but I didn't take it since there was no bacterial infection. I

took a natural substance (not sure it's legal so check it out) called D-Mannose

and it cleared it up for me. I won't take antibiotics unless I absolutely have

too because it mucks my stomach up really bad when I take them. Try this out

and I'm sure it will work for you as it does for many others who've used it.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

At 12:02 PM 12/25/2009, you wrote:

Granulated fructose (or even

liquid) that is sold as " fructose " has a mixture of other

trisaccharides, etc. in it. It is extracted from corn and they are not

too fussy about eliminating a few molecules of whatever that may get in

with it.

Andy,

OK, I'm running back and forth to the computer from the kitchen (I'm

cooking Christmas dinner, fer ghu's sake!) and may have mis-read

it.

What I remember is that there's some miracle-whatever which included

mannose and other sugars that was pure death for SCDers -- and yet, it

was being touted as great for gut issues. I remember Elaine being

livid when it was brought up -- but it may not have been the product you

are looking at.

The way I read that chart, mannose is still a polysaccharide.

Pure glucose would theoretically be legal, but what's put out as

" glucose " often has the rule cited above as applicable. I've

known people who had to do a glucose tolerance test and the supposedly

pure glucose they drank for that had them squirting for days.

It's your choice. I don't consider it legal. I wouldn't risk it,

myself. However, remember that Elaine always said that if you need

a medication, you should use it.

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

At 12:53 PM 12/25/2009, you wrote:

Is there a natural product that

is SCD legal (other than cranberry juice) that can help prostatitis? I

know cranberry juice is good for UTI's but I've read it doesn't really

help prostatitis too much.

There may be.... but it will have to be researched later! I'm cooking

Christmas DINNER! And my Dad says he would like to eat before 8

pm!

—

Marilyn

New

Orleans, Louisiana, USA

Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001

Darn Good SCD Cook

No Human Children

Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund

[Guest guest]

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I also have swollen glands, by the 'finger' test, I have mild burning sensation,

and on-and-off pain in the groin area (both prostate and lymph nodes), and my

genitals have red coloration.

I am waiting for the culture test. In the meanwhile I am taking CJ and cranberry

concentrate pills (from NOW). I plan to try D-mannose too. Where did you get

D-mannose from? And I assume you didn't have any GI problems??

I started with half the prescribed dose of Cipro to see how I respond. I don't

want to end up with kidney infection before my results come back. Apparently, at

least initially, Cipro works reasonably well even for non-bacterial prostatitis.

Some one with prostatitis wrote me the following off-line, and apparently that

worked for him. Again I do not know which ones are legal and which ones are not.

> > Try Herb Pharm's-Meadow Sweet-lethal to E-Coli, D

> > Mannose(Swanson has good prices) and Nature's Way

> > Cranberry concentrate pills.

-Andy.

>

> Yes, burning sensation and swollen glands. I was having a severe burning

sensation when urinating. The doctor tested me for UTI's and did some other

culture tests to see if I had anything else going on. He did the " finger test "

too and said my prostate was slightly enlarged (psa fine). He said that even

though there is no infection according to the test to go ahead and take cypro.

>