Guest guest Posted January 2, 2010 Report Share Posted January 2, 2010 I just watched the documentary Food Inc ( you'll never want to eat a hamburger again if you watch it LOL). What I found interesting was the statement on corn feeding cows and E.Coli. Cows naturally eat grass, but to grow them faster, the food industry started stuffing them with corn, but cows are not made to live on corn. The corn fattened them up, but they developed an overgrowth of E. Coli in their guts- which led to the E. Coli illnesses in humans who ate undercooked burgers. I just found it interesting that the " bad bug " theory from poorly digested food is discussed in this case. PJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 I saw that recently as well. Interesting that you can kill the E-coli by feeding the cows grass just once! then back to corn and you'd be fine.-UC - 1+ yearsSCD - 7 months 100% strict and 4 months restricted diet.Asacol - 5 pills a dayTo: BTVC-SCD From: smdsmom2008@...Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 02:41:44 +0000Subject: OT- Food Inc I just watched the documentary Food Inc ( you'll never want to eat a hamburger again if you watch it LOL). What I found interesting was the statement on corn feeding cows and E.Coli. Cows naturally eat grass, but to grow them faster, the food industry started stuffing them with corn, but cows are not made to live on corn. The corn fattened them up, but they developed an overgrowth of E. Coli in their guts- which led to the E. Coli illnesses in humans who ate undercooked burgers. I just found it interesting that the "bad bug" theory from poorly digested food is discussed in this case. PJ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 May it be as easy for us PJ > > > I saw that recently as well. Interesting that you can kill the E-coli by feeding the cows grass just once! then back to corn and you'd be fine. > > - > UC - 1+ years > SCD - 7 months 100% strict and 4 months restricted diet. > Asacol - 5 pills a day > > > > > > > To: BTVC-SCD > From: smdsmom2008@... > Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 02:41:44 +0000 > Subject: OT- Food Inc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just watched the documentary Food Inc ( you'll never want to eat a hamburger again if you watch it LOL). > > What I found interesting was the statement on corn feeding cows and E.Coli. Cows naturally eat grass, but to grow them faster, the food industry started stuffing them with corn, but cows are not made to live on corn. The corn fattened them up, but they developed an overgrowth of E. Coli in their guts- which led to the E. Coli illnesses in humans who ate undercooked burgers. > > I just found it interesting that the " bad bug " theory from poorly digested food is discussed in this case. > > > > PJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 This is so interesting! I just looked at the food, inc. website. They indicate that the consumer feels powerless but actually does have power that can be shown by what he/she buys - see link below for video. I do agree, but grass fed costs so much more, and I have to drive further to get it because most of the major grocery store chains don't have it here. Do you think that grass-fed beef quenches the appetite more so than non-grass fed? Have any studies been done on this? I would like more info., but the doc. isn't available to me yet... http://www.foodincmovie.com/ To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 10:20:12 AMSubject: Re: OT- Food Inc May it be as easy for us :)PJ>> > I saw that recently as well. Interesting that you can kill the E-coli by feeding the cows grass just once! then back to corn and you'd be fine.> > -> UC - 1+ years> SCD - 7 months 100% strict and 4 months restricted diet.> Asacol - 5 pills a day> > > > > > > To: BTVC-SCD@yahoogroup s.com> From: smdsmom2008@ ...> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 02:41:44 +0000> Subject: OT- Food Inc> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just watched the documentary Food Inc ( you'll never want to eat a hamburger again if you watch it LOL).> > What I found interesting was the statement on corn feeding cows and E.Coli. Cows naturally eat grass, but to grow them faster, the food industry started stuffing them with corn, but cows are not made to live on corn. The corn fattened them up, but they developed an overgrowth of E. Coli in their guts- which led to the E. Coli illnesses in humans who ate undercooked burgers.> > I just found it interesting that the "bad bug" theory from poorly digested food is discussed in this case.> > > > PJ> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection.> http://clk.atdmt. com/GBL/go/ 177141665/ direct/01/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Hi Laurie,Grass-fed beef is better in quantifiable ways: both for the health of the land and for our body (and mind.)You can find information about this in various places now (books like Pollan's "Omnivore's Dilemma", or websites like CSPI: Center for Science in the Public Interest.) One place I've done some recent reading about this subject is here:http://www.eatwild.com/healthbenefits.htmBest to you! Nina in MA ....grass fed costs so much more, and I have to drive further to get it because most of the major grocery store chains don't have it here. Do you think that grass-fed beef quenches the appetite more so than non-grass fed? Have any studies been done on this? I would like more info., but the doc. isn't available to me yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 OMG-I just saw this just last night on netflix. Even though I knew most of the information in it, actually seeing the factory farms where our meat is produced was horrifying.. I have been buying grass fed beef from our local farmer but it breaks my heart that most in this country have no choice but to buy conventional beef since grass fed is so expensive. This guy in the movie even said that cattle who have gut issues because of being fed a diet of corn will recover in a few weeks when pastured on grass. We humans are no different, in that we have started to consume foods that we were never intended to be able to digest. Like gluten and other grains. Those poor cattle have no choice. It's a great film that everyone should watch. - > > I just watched the documentary Food Inc ( you'll never want to eat a hamburger again if you watch it LOL). > What I found interesting was the statement on corn feeding cows and E.Coli. Cows naturally eat grass, but to grow them faster, the food industry started stuffing them with corn, but cows are not made to live on corn. The corn fattened them up, but they developed an overgrowth of E. Coli in their guts- which led to the E. Coli illnesses in humans who ate undercooked burgers. > I just found it interesting that the " bad bug " theory from poorly digested food is discussed in this case. > > PJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 At 10:34 AM 1/3/2010, you wrote: Do you think that grass-fed beef quenches the appetite more so than non-grass fed? Have any studies been done on this? Can't speak for the studies being done, but Harry and I have found that grass-fed does satisfy more. 4-6 ounces of grass-fed meat does what it used to take 8-10 or more ounces. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2010 Report Share Posted January 3, 2010 Nina, Thanks for the link. :-P To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 1:11:32 PMSubject: Re: OT- Food Inc Hi Laurie,Grass-fed beef is better in quantifiable ways: both for the health of the land and for our body (and mind.)You can find information about this in various places now (books like Pollan's "Omnivore's Dilemma", or websites like CSPI: Center for Science in the Public Interest.) One place I've done some recent reading about this subject is here:http://www.eatwild. com/healthbenefi ts.htmBest to you! Nina in MA From: Laurie G <scdhelps (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> ....grass fed costs so much more, and I have to drive further to get it because most of the major grocery store chains don't have it here. Do you think that grass-fed beef quenches the appetite more so than non-grass fed? Have any studies been done on this? I would like more info., but the doc. isn't available to me yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 Thanks for input Marilyn. I went to the site Nina provided and found a place nearby that provides grass-fed beef. Only, they were out and don't carry a steady supply because it doesn't sell well according to the "meat dept." guy. He told me to check back in a couple of days. I'll definitely go back by and see if they have it and will grab a pound and try it out if it's there. Thanks again! To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 8:32:20 PMSubject: Re: Re: OT- Food Inc At 10:34 AM 1/3/2010, you wrote: Do you think that grass-fed beef quenches the appetite more so than non-grass fed? Have any studies been done on this?Can't speak for the studies being done, but Harry and I have found that grass-fed does satisfy more. 4-6 ounces of grass-fed meat does what it used to take 8-10 or more ounces. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2010 Report Share Posted January 4, 2010 At 08:11 PM 1/4/2010, you wrote: I'll definitely go back by and see if they have it and will grab a pound and try it out if it's there. Grass-fed has a very different flavor -- but we've gotten used to it, and like it. Ordinary meat just isn't as tasty to us now. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 Thanks. It's sad that in the states, we have so much food, but it's not "real" anymore, and we don't know what this "real" food tastes like. I wish I knew how to be more proactive about changing this... To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Mon, January 4, 2010 10:22:39 PMSubject: Re: Re: OT- Food Inc At 08:11 PM 1/4/2010, you wrote: I'll definitely go back by and see if they have it and will grab a pound and try it out if it's there.Grass-fed has a very different flavor -- but we've gotten used to it, and like it. Ordinary meat just isn't as tasty to us now. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 The movie stresses to start with the consumer. We " vote " with our dollar at the supermarket. Unfortunately " real " food is more expensive, which makes it harder. It started with the fast food industry, so avoiding this helps although most on SCD already do this. I'm going to start by trying to shop local farmers markets as much as possible. PJ > > I'll definitely go back by and see if they have it and will grab a pound and try it out if it's there. > Grass-fed has a very different flavor -- but we've gotten used to it, and like it. Ordinary meat just isn't as tasty to us now. > > > †" Marilyn >    New Orleans, Louisiana, USA >    Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 >    Darn Good SCD Cook >    No Human Children >    Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > >        > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 At 04:22 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote: Thanks. It's sad that in the states, we have so much food, but it's not " real " anymore, and we don't know what this " real " food tastes like. I wish I knew how to be more proactive about changing this... Well, the EatWild folks are working on changing stuff. And, you know, I don't think it's happenstance that as our food supply has been increasingly adulterated over the last fifty years, we've seen skyrocketing numbers of people with gut issues and brain/bowel connection problems. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 Yes, I agree. I wouldn't be having this e-mail conversation with you today if my gut was not an issue. Unfortunately, and also fortunately, I believe the foods issues affected me more than others around me, so I have to make a change. Also, with so many homes being built today on smaller lots and with HOAs that are like small municipalities, and people having to pay more taxes on bigger lots, this equals more restrictions on people who want to grow their own healthy cows, chickens, crops, etc. And then there's big pharma who wants to give discounts and work out payment plans in order for people to buy their meds. Why don't they offer to pay for real food for people on fixed incomes? Okay, I'll stop now. By the way, I priced grass-fed beef today at Publix. It's $6.99 lb. I saw it last week at Whole Foods for $4.49 lb, so I've decided to go back to Whole Foods. It's further away, but if I buy several lbs at once and freeze it, I'll have less trips to make. However, I'll probably start out with just one or two lbs. to see what it tastes like, how it cooks, etc. I'm also going to look for pastured eggs instead of just organic, vegetarian fed, cage-free, etc. To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 1:26:09 PMSubject: Re: Re: OT- Food Inc At 04:22 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote: Thanks. It's sad that in the states, we have so much food, but it's not "real" anymore, and we don't know what this "real" food tastes like. I wish I knew how to be more proactive about changing this...Well, the EatWild folks are working on changing stuff. And, you know, I don't think it's happenstance that as our food supply has been increasingly adulterated over the last fifty years, we've seen skyrocketing numbers of people with gut issues and brain/bowel connection problems. — Marilyn New Orleans, Louisiana, USA Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001 Darn Good SCD Cook No Human Children Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 below To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 6:54:32 AMSubject: Re: OT- Food Inc The movie stresses to start with the consumer. I agree. We "vote" with our dollar at the supermarket. Unfortunately "real" food is more expensive, which makes it harder. It started with the fast food industry, so avoiding this helps although most on SCD already do this.I'm going to start by trying to shop local farmers markets as much as possible. I try to do that too.PJ > > I'll definitely go back by and see if they have it and will grab a pound and try it out if it's there.> Grass-fed has a very different flavor -- but we've gotten used to it, and like it. Ordinary meat just isn't as tasty to us now.> > > â€" Marilyn>    New Orleans, Louisiana, USA>    Undiagnosed IBS since 1976, SCD since 2001>    Darn Good SCD Cook>    No Human Children>    Shadow & Sunny Longhair Dachshund > >        > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 > Yes, I agree. I wouldn't be having this e-mail conversation with you > today if my gut was not an issue. Unfortunately, and also fortunately, > I believe the foods issues affected me more than others around me, so I > have to make a change. > Also, with so many homes being built today on smaller lots and with HOAs > that are like small municipalities, and people having to pay more taxes > on bigger lots, this equals more restrictions on people who want to grow > their own healthy cows, chickens, crops, etc. And then there's big > pharma who wants to give discounts and work out payment plans in order > for people to buy their meds. Why don't they offer to pay for real food > for people on fixed incomes? Okay, I'll stop now. > > By the way, I priced grass-fed beef today at Publix. It's $6.99 lb. I > saw it last week at Whole Foods for $4.49 lb, so I've decided to go back > to Whole Foods. What cuts of meat? There's normally a fairly large price range for beef of any kind, depending on what cut it is. Hamburger? T-bone? Rump roast? I'm interested in trying to find a source where I live, but would like to know what kind of beef you're talking about. n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2010 Report Share Posted January 5, 2010 Grass fed ground beef was what I was referring to when I wrote the prices per lb. - see below. I haven't looked for any other cuts of grass fed beef, except for liver which I found about a month ago at Whole Foods for $3.00 lb. I live in GA. I went to the eatwild.com site that Nina provided to find the list of providers.. Here it is: http://www.eatwild.com/healthbenefits.htm To: BTVC-SCD Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 9:30:37 PMSubject: Re: Re: OT- Food Inc On Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:52:02 -0500, Laurie G <scdhelps (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:> Yes, I agree. I wouldn't be having this e-mail conversation with you > today if my gut was not an issue. Unfortunately, and also fortunately, > I believe the foods issues affected me more than others around me, so I > have to make a change.> Also, with so many homes being built today on smaller lots and with HOAs > that are like small municipalities, and people having to pay more taxes > on bigger lots, this equals more restrictions on people who want to grow > their own healthy cows, chickens, crops, etc. And then there's big > pharma who wants to give discounts and work out payment plans in order > for people to buy their meds. Why don't they offer to pay for real food > for people on fixed incomes? Okay, I'll stop now.>> By the way, I priced grass-fed beef today at Publix. It's $6.99 lb. I > saw it last week at Whole Foods for $4.49 lb, so I've decided to go back > to Whole Foods.What cuts of meat? There's normally a fairly large price range for beef of any kind, depending on what cut it is.Hamburger? T-bone? Rump roast?I'm interested in trying to find a source where I live, but would like to know what kind of beef you're talking about.n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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