Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 , I am sorry to hear about 's horrible problems. I will definitely say a prayer for her tonight. Please tell her to hang in there! I hope she is feeling better soon. Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 this sounds like a nightmare for karen!! is there anything we can do? anyone we can call? how horrible!! cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 nancy: keep us up to date. karen diffinitly needs someone on her side to help.,she is obviously not up for it. cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 Oh My God! This is just obscene! Can we get a group together to rescue this poor woman and take her to a REAL Hospital? God of grace!! Kalstein - LONG hello.. just finished speaking with karen at mt. sinai..you may remember that she had to go back 10 days post-op for emergency surgery to fix strangulating hernia..they did it open and also removed part of her colon..no one has told her why..still pain increased..ctscan ordered.. unable to have ctscan for several days because of equipment malfunction!..they were taking her down again tonight..still has not seen gagner..her mom called pomp..he stopped in to see her this morning..he said doesn't know if she has another hernia, but definitely has infection..ordered antibiotics iv piggyback..she still has not received them..iv came out and no one has time to put it in..rn on floor is on third back to back shift and is exhausted..K's legs are filling up with fluid..she alternates between talking and crying..was hyperventilating during night and had another reaction to pain meds..cannot get through to patient care rep..and still she is trying to talk me out of going to spain!..but that is the topic for another list..anyway, she absolutely believes that having private duty rn's would ease her situation, but she doesn't have them..so her advice to any of you contemplating mt. sinai is to book the rn's if you possibly can afford it..aides can only do personal care kinds of things..her aide was sleeping when we spoke today!!!..and karen was so sweet, she said how exhausted the poor aide was from dealing with her!..maybe the percoset talking..i feel so helpless..her mom is quite elderly and cannot really help her..her brother has been to see her, but works long hours so can't come often..also k. doesn't want to burden him with this.. would like to figure out if there is anything i can do for her, but she said just let her call me in the middle of the night if she needs to..of course..but then what??..she also said i should call and try to get them to give her the antibiotics..have never done this long distance before..and never advocated for someone who is not a family member..will they talk to someone who is not her family?..PLEASE,i need and would welcome any suggestions..and, of course, she could certainly use some prayers right about now..thanks for your help..best regards..nancy fissel nancy fissel gagner 7/26/01 OR baltasar 7/?/01 age and BMI both 54! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 My heart goes out to - all that suffering and not much help. Bless you for keeping in touch with her and also let the list know how she is doing. Unfortunately most of our hands are tied. I personally don't know what to do to help - other than prayers, and they do help. Since you asked, why couldn't you call Mt. Sinai and say you are her sister. That's not really a lie, we are all sisters and brothers. They would have to listen and do something. It's just awful!! Pls. keep us posted - and thanks again for doing what you can. Christa (from CT) > hello.. just finished speaking with karen at mt. sinai..you may > remember that she had to go back 10 days post-op for emergency > surgery to fix strangulating hernia..they did it open and also > removed part of her colon..no one has told her why..still pain > increased..ctscan ordered.. unable to have ctscan for several days > because of equipment malfunction!..they were taking her down again > tonight..still has not seen gagner..her mom called pomp..he stopped > in to see her this morning..he said doesn't know if she has another > hernia, but definitely has infection..ordered antibiotics iv > piggyback..she still has not received them..iv came out and no one > has time to put it in..rn on floor is on third back to back shift and > is exhausted..K's legs are filling up with fluid..she alternates > between talking and crying..was hyperventilating during night and had > another reaction to pain meds..cannot get through to patient care > rep..and still she is trying to talk me out of going to spain!..but > that is the topic for another list..anyway, she absolutely believes > that having private duty rn's would ease her situation, but she > doesn't have them..so her advice to any of you contemplating mt. > sinai is to book the rn's if you possibly can afford it..aides can > only do personal care kinds of things..her aide was sleeping when we > spoke today!!!..and karen was so sweet, she said how exhausted the > poor aide was from dealing with her!..maybe the percoset talking..i > feel so helpless..her mom is quite elderly and cannot really help > her..her brother has been to see her, but works long hours so can't > come often..also k. doesn't want to burden him with this.. would like > to figure out if there is anything i can do for her, but she said > just let her call me in the middle of the night if she needs to..of > course..but then what??..she also said i should call and try to get > them to give her the antibiotics..have never done this long distance > before..and never advocated for someone who is not a family > member..will they talk to someone who is not her family?..PLEASE,i > need and would welcome any suggestions..and, of course, she could > certainly use some prayers right about now..thanks for your > help..best regards..nancy fissel > > nancy fissel > gagner 7/26/01 OR baltasar 7/?/01 > age and BMI both 54! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 You had a freat idea about giving the staff candy. I used to do that for my Ex Grandmother In Law. She died back in 89 and was in a New Jersey Rest Home for a couple of years. She had a temper and would remind them that she was paying $3000.00 a month for them to do what she wanted. We knew that she was a good but she was miserable living in the home They were good to her but I would send her caregivers two pound boxes of Sees Candy with a note to thank them for all he hard work and care. I remember my grandmother telling me that the nurses came in during the night to eat some of that candy that I had taken her (they used flashlights)lol,she didnt care. It is a great idea. I will remember to take a two pound box with me when I go.Thanks for reminding me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 , You must get on the phone immediately. Simply introduce yourself as her post-op caregiver, and that you are incensed at the care she has received thus far. Insist that the doctor be contacted IMMEDIATELY (as in 10 minutes ago) and urged to administer 1) antibiotics, either assure that she will receive the care she needs now ASAP, or arrange for her to be transferred to a facility that can meet her needs. THEN, call her surgeons office - if you call tonight, insist on speaking with the surgeon on-call. Tell them that you are concerned about your friends actual LIFE - and that they MUST take action NOW. Tell them that you are her advocate and that if you are not given satisfactory assurances that action is being taken, that you will report them. If someone on the list lives near enough and is willing to go - someone should be sitting with her 100% of the time, and also accompany when she is taken to procedures (that aren't of a surgical nature). Another tactic to consider - I've had to do this for my mother-in-law when she was receiving substandard care - Put together a basket full of a variety of little candies. Write a note to the nursing staff, and have it delivered to the nursing station that is assigned to her care. Thank them for their kindness in caring for your friend, and assure them that you will mention their kindness and generosity in her care to their superiors. It's amazing what a little bribery will work. dina Kalstein - LONG hello.. just finished speaking with karen at mt. sinai..you may remember that she had to go back 10 days post-op for emergency surgery to fix strangulating hernia..they did it open and also removed part of her colon..no one has told her why..still pain increased..ctscan ordered.. unable to have ctscan for several days because of equipment malfunction!..they were taking her down again tonight..still has not seen gagner..her mom called pomp..he stopped in to see her this morning..he said doesn't know if she has another hernia, but definitely has infection..ordered antibiotics iv piggyback..she still has not received them..iv came out and no one has time to put it in..rn on floor is on third back to back shift and is exhausted..K's legs are filling up with fluid..she alternates between talking and crying..was hyperventilating during night and had another reaction to pain meds..cannot get through to patient care rep..and still she is trying to talk me out of going to spain!..but that is the topic for another list..anyway, she absolutely believes that having private duty rn's would ease her situation, but she doesn't have them..so her advice to any of you contemplating mt. sinai is to book the rn's if you possibly can afford it..aides can only do personal care kinds of things..her aide was sleeping when we spoke today!!!..and karen was so sweet, she said how exhausted the poor aide was from dealing with her!..maybe the percoset talking..i feel so helpless..her mom is quite elderly and cannot really help her..her brother has been to see her, but works long hours so can't come often..also k. doesn't want to burden him with this.. would like to figure out if there is anything i can do for her, but she said just let her call me in the middle of the night if she needs to..of course..but then what??..she also said i should call and try to get them to give her the antibiotics..have never done this long distance before..and never advocated for someone who is not a family member..will they talk to someone who is not her family?..PLEASE,i need and would welcome any suggestions..and, of course, she could certainly use some prayers right about now..thanks for your help..best regards..nancy fissel nancy fissel gagner 7/26/01 OR baltasar 7/?/01 age and BMI both 54! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 This is an appalling situation. If she can't get a nurse, she should get a lawyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 The immediate concern is helping . Beyond that, a general concern is getting the Mt. Sinai problem fixed. Are there investigative reporters in NYC or " 60-Minutes " kind of programs that might want a bite out of this foul pie? --Steve -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 Maybe you could hit redial for that patient care rep until you get an answer ! It seems only someone on staff at Mt Sinai will be able to help at this point. I'm praying for her ! Sharon (NY)... & not going to mt sinai ! --- definitemaybe8@... wrote: > hello.. just finished speaking with karen at mt. > sinai.. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 I did call the Dr. and the hospital and said I was 's cousin. I got the Dr. to come see her Saturday. I am trying to keep calm but it is hard. She is going through alot and I don't know what to do except call and help out by talking and calling. She is inpatient right now and I don't blame her. She truly feels that she has fallen through the cracks and is upset. Understandably uoset. Prayers and good thoughts and calls to 1 212 2411238 would help her. Ellen(pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 STeve hi that is a great idea regarding 60 min and investigaters how do we do that?karen thanks for all your concern,i am out of the hospital but suggest to anyone that can afford it go with private nurses , or u are on a suicide mission karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 call the nyc news channels and ask them for a phone number..CBS. there are alot of specials like shame on you and others... cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2001 Report Share Posted June 25, 2001 At 3:31 PM -0400 6/25/01, Happy2knowU2@... wrote: STeve hi that is a great idea regarding 60 min and investigaters how do we do that?karen I have no idea. Most probably somebody in New Jack City would know somebody whose cousin/aunt/grandmother knows somebody who . .. . thanks for all your concern,i am out of the hospital Good show! but suggest to anyone that can afford it go with private nurses , or u are on a suicide mission karen --Steve -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2001 Report Share Posted June 29, 2001 --- star00066@... wrote: > call the nyc news channels and ask them for a phone > number..CBS. > there are alot of specials like shame on you and > others... > cheryl > Ya know, maybe i'm outta place here, but karen has had one miserable f*&%#g time........the doc could have made it better......but not one person bad mouths him.....well now I know he's God......how come Dr. Ren gets all the bs for one patient who probably had abused her own body to the point that it didnt work properly? JMHO __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2001 Report Share Posted June 29, 2001 Dr Gagner is a fine dr. there just isnt good aftercare ,,thank god i had his fellow dr quinn who is going solo in sept,,i reccomend her highly ,,she is very funny , warm and compassionate and does call her patients back,,Dr gagner is just a bit to busy karen nyc post op Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2001 Report Share Posted June 29, 2001 , I'm as great a fan of Dr. Ren's as anyone; she just got me through a dicey period intact, and I'm still pre-op. I also feel, unless investigation proves otherwise, that she mitigated rather than caused Deb's condition. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean you should attack Deb for " abusing " her body. Not all of us who subscribe to this list have " low metabolism " ;a good percentage of us (and I'm including myself in this group!)got here because we " abused " our bodies through indulgence, stress eating, and all those other behaviors that sent our BMI's sky high. Let's try not to get personal here! Marcia > Re: Kalstein - LONG > > > > --- star00066@... wrote: > > call the nyc news channels and ask them for a phone > > number..CBS. > > there are alot of specials like shame on you and > > others... > > cheryl > > > > Ya know, maybe i'm outta place here, but karen has had > one miserable f*&%#g time........the doc could have > made it better......but not one person bad mouths > him.....well now I know he's God......how come Dr. Ren > gets all the bs for one patient who probably had > abused her own body to the point that it didnt work > properly? > > JMHO > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2001 Report Share Posted June 29, 2001 > > call the nyc news channels and ask them for a phone > > number..CBS. there are alot of specials like shame > > on you and others... > > cheryl > > > > Ya know, maybe i'm outta place here, but karen has had > one miserable f*&%#g time........the doc could have > made it better......but not one person bad mouths > him.....well now I know he's God......how come Dr. Ren > gets all the bs for one patient who probably had > abused her own body to the point that it didnt work > properly? > > JMHO > I'm going to put on my moderator hat for a sec... My reading of the problems that had led me to believe that there were nursing and beauraucratic issues, poor communication, and nonfunctioning hospital equipment involved. I don't recalls ever seeing any implication that her surgeon made a specific human error that caused 's suffering. Unless you consider not being proactive enough a " human error " . In that regard, nobody can argue that the surgeon bears responsibility for the patient and she be held ultimately accountable. By contrast, whether it be right, wrong, good, bad or indifferent, the issue with Dr. Ren is that she allegedly did make a human error that had nothing to do with " red tape " or poor patient aftercare or followup. I certainly understand the desire to defend one's surgeon, especially if you have a high regard for the skill and care that you personally received. But it's also important to acknowledge when problems occur and try to analyze why and how, determine if those problems were realistically preventable or correctable, and how severe those issue are in relation to patient well-being and ultimate recovery. I think overall in this support environment, we should try to be kind to each other and refrain from personal attacks. In fact, the list rules specifically prohibit personal attacks. Please try to abide by this rule. M. --- in Valrico, FL, age 38 Starting weight 299, now 156 Starting BMI 49.7, now 26.0 Lap DGB/DS by Dr. Rabkin 10-19-99 http://www.duodenalswitch.com Direct replies: mailto:melanie@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2001 Report Share Posted June 29, 2001 That is a good point , perhaps though it's more the hospital that is the problem. Wasn't she also at Mt. Sinai? I think the " doc " was on vacation, didn't seem to complain much about him...or perhaps I misinterpreted? Pre-Op Dr. Elariny Fairfax INOVA Hospital Date: TBA Re: Kalstein - LONG --- star00066@... wrote: > call the nyc news channels and ask them for a phone > number..CBS. > there are alot of specials like shame on you and > others... > cheryl > Ya know, maybe i'm outta place here, but karen has had one miserable f*&%#g time........the doc could have made it better......but not one person bad mouths him.....well now I know he's God......how come Dr. Ren gets all the bs for one patient who probably had abused her own body to the point that it didnt work properly? JMHO __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2001 Report Share Posted June 29, 2001 Dr Gagner is good it is just the aftercare and the care in the hospital sucks plain english,i think as a nurse myself they need to set up a specific floor and train the nursing staff in bariatric nursing care..just my thought on the subject.. karen post op three weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2001 Report Share Posted June 29, 2001 >how come Dr. Ren > gets all the bs for one patient who probably had > abused her own body to the point that it didnt work > properly? > - Excuse me? The patientin question had the gall to have a cholecystectomy years before her DS, Ren sliced through the blood supply to her pyloric region lysing the adhesions from the previous cholecystectomy, yet YOU say she " probably abused her own body to the point that it didn't work properly " ? What fantasy world do you live in? Ren committed gross negligence.. suffered mostly at the hands of the support staff, not the surgeon. You are way out of line here, and only showing your total ignorance. If you don't possess the mental capacity to understand a situation, kindly refrain from commenting about it. Liane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2001 Report Share Posted June 29, 2001 ohhhhh let's not get this started again......this road does not lead to good places for the relationships on this loop. cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2001 Report Share Posted June 29, 2001 thanks for caring ,,the support staff was awful..btw can anyone clairify if dr gagner only takes blue cross that is what a friend of mine told me today which upset someone i know,,i am directly repeating what she told me as of this afternoon. karen nyc post op almost 4 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 If you > don't possess the > mental capacity to understand a situation, kindly > refrain from > commenting about it. > > Liane Get Over It...........Jeez.......this list gets dumber and dumber. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 Amen!! Re: Re: Kalstein - LONG > If you > > don't possess the > > mental capacity to understand a situation, kindly > > refrain from > > commenting about it. > > > > Liane > > Get Over It...........Jeez.......this list gets dumber > and dumber. > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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