Nuts and symptoms

[Guest guest]

Hi Amber,

I had to stop eating nuts and cheese all together about one

year into the diet. After a few months,

I was able to start adding one nut muffin here and there and now I can eat 2

for breakfast every day. I can’t

tolerate milk products at all, except SCD yogurt. I make it with raw milk so it is more

nutritious and tastier. I also drip it.

Some ideas could be hard boiled eggs, cooked vegetables with

coconut oil and sea salt, bananas, salmon, butternut squash, avocado…

Hope this helps,

SCD 21 mths

[Guest guest]

I don't get the same symptoms but I gave up cheese after my last flare on

Thanksgiving. It was my " go-to " snack and I miss it but I think I'm better

without it. I may add it back in (slowly) eventually but I know that I don't

have much control when it comes to cheese (well, I do at first but then I just

keep eating more and more). I used to use oil and parm as a salad dressing.

Now I either use a mashed avocado (maybe a little salt or basil or oregano with

it) or this hummus:

http://www.sonofgrok.com/2009/06/primally-delicious-hummus/

as a dressing. To satisfy the cheese craving I make some really yummy squash

dishes. My favorite is to take a chopped up butternut squash, a couple cloves

of garlic, some oil and parsley and mix it up and cook at 400 for about 50 mins

or so. That was the original recipe, now I add whatever I have in the fridge

into it (bell pepper, mushrooms, tomato etc...probably toss in some spices too).

I usually end up eating too much of it because it's so tasty .

Stacey

>

> OK, so I am admittedly a nut addict, wether it be peanut butter, almond

butter, cashews or whatever. I know I go overboard on them. After my first

infusions of Remicade, I could eat whatever and not notice a difference. Well,

it seems that is not the case anymore. I find that if I eat illegals I will get

symptoms back, which may sound odd, but I'm actually glad because before that

wasn't the case so I didn't know if the diet was working.

>

> I did fall of the wagon over Christmas and have recommitted myself. I'm pretty

active so I get hungry a lot, and many times I reach for nuts or nut butters,

and I'm sure I over do it. I know that if you're in the beginning stages, you're

not even supposed to have nuts, but I don't feel so terrible that I feel I need

to go to stage one, plus I think I'd be starving and wouldn't be able to work

out.

>

> I have noticed if I eat too many nuts, I either get more frequent BMs or I

come down with a low grade fever or chills. At least, I think it's from the

nuts, but I'm not sure. I have read that nuts are one of the reason the diet

fails for a lot of people. I'm assuming it's nuts, but I've also heard that

cheese can be an issue. I eat a substantial amount of cheese.

>

> Sorry this is long, I'll cut the the point with my questions-

>

> • Has anyone else experienced low grade fevers/chills after eating nuts for

cheese? If so, did you have to completely eliminate them from your diet?

>

> • If you did, were you able to eventually add them back in?

>

> I probably need to get more creative with my food choices, but if I eliminate

nuts and cheese, nothing sounds good. And I know it sounds weird, but I don't

feel that satiated by meat or other fats. Anyone have any tips?

>

> Thanks for listening,

>

> Amber

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the suggestions. Your foods do sound good. Do you have a

recipe for your homemade italian dressing. I've been using olive oil

and red wine vinegar and am getting very bored with it.

I'm not Alyssa and this isn't Italian dressing but here's how I make

salad dressing:

OIL AND VINEGAR or LEMON/LIME JUICE DRESSING

extra virgin olive oil - 2 parts

fresh squeezed lemon or lime juice usually, sometimes red wine

vinegar or ACV or a combo - 1 part

Redmond sea salt to taste

pepper

mustard powder - maybe 1/2-1 teaspoon to a cup of dressing

freshly squeezed garlic (usually)

herbs sometimes, thyme, dill, basil, oregano... that kind of thing.

Not all at the same time

Traditionally salad dressing is 3 parts oil to the vinegar/lemon

juice but I like it this way. It lasts several days, just shake it

up before using. Skip the garlic if it doesn't agree with you or you

don't like it. You can mince onion or shallots, too, or instead.

[Guest guest]

Thank you for all the responses. I think this is one of those cases where

everyone is different. For me, it's obvious that my body cannot handle nuts

right now, which is a huge bummer, because I love them. I ate some on Friday

night, and on Saturday I had a fever of 103.7. Yikes! I was scared I was going

to have to go the the hospital. I had major D all day and didn't get out of bed.

Then the next day, the fever was gone.

Unfortunately, I think I must be in a flare. I was diagnosed this summer, so I

wasn't sure what to expect in a flare. Now I'm having frequency and D. I think

it's from both cheating over Christmas and the Remicade wearing off. I'm so

bummed, because I was started on the top tier drugs, and it's pretty obvious

they're not working right now.

So here's my question. For those of you who started the diet in a flare-

* Did you start on level 1 foods, or did you find that just sticking with the

diet helped?

* Do I need to go on a liquid diet to help get me out of this flare?

* For anyone who has cheated on the diet before with symptoms coming back, how

long did it take for you to get back to normal?

Thank you,

Amber

>

> OK, so I am admittedly a nut addict, wether it be peanut butter, almond

butter, cashews or whatever. I know I go overboard on them. After my first

infusions of Remicade, I could eat whatever and not notice a difference. Well,

it seems that is not the case anymore. I find that if I eat illegals I will get

symptoms back, which may sound odd, but I'm actually glad because before that

wasn't the case so I didn't know if the diet was working.

>

> I did fall of the wagon over Christmas and have recommitted myself. I'm pretty

active so I get hungry a lot, and many times I reach for nuts or nut butters,

and I'm sure I over do it. I know that if you're in the beginning stages, you're

not even supposed to have nuts, but I don't feel so terrible that I feel I need

to go to stage one, plus I think I'd be starving and wouldn't be able to work

out.

>

> I have noticed if I eat too many nuts, I either get more frequent BMs or I

come down with a low grade fever or chills. At least, I think it's from the

nuts, but I'm not sure. I have read that nuts are one of the reason the diet

fails for a lot of people. I'm assuming it's nuts, but I've also heard that

cheese can be an issue. I eat a substantial amount of cheese.

>

> Sorry this is long, I'll cut the the point with my questions-

>

> • Has anyone else experienced low grade fevers/chills after eating nuts for

cheese? If so, did you have to completely eliminate them from your diet?

>

> • If you did, were you able to eventually add them back in?

>

> I probably need to get more creative with my food choices, but if I eliminate

nuts and cheese, nothing sounds good. And I know it sounds weird, but I don't

feel that satiated by meat or other fats. Anyone have any tips?

>

> Thanks for listening,

>

> Amber

>

[Guest guest]

> Thank you for all the responses. I think this is one of those cases where

everyone is different. For me, it's obvious that my body cannot handle nuts

right now, which is a huge bummer, because I love them. I ate some on Friday

night, and on Saturday I had a fever of 103.7. Yikes! I was scared I was going

to have to go the the hospital. I had major D all day and didn't get out of bed.

Then the next day, the fever was gone.

just to confuse you, fever could also be die off from the stuff you ate over

christmas.

> Unfortunately, I think I must be in a flare. I was diagnosed this summer, so I

wasn't sure what to expect in a flare. Now I'm having frequency and D. I think

it's from both cheating over Christmas and the Remicade wearing off. I'm so

bummed, because I was started on the top tier drugs, and it's pretty obvious

they're not working right now.

when was your last infusion? it tends to wear off at the end of the infusion

period anyway.

>

> So here's my question. For those of you who started the diet in a flare-

>

> * Did you start on level 1 foods, or did you find that just sticking with the

diet helped?

if you are in a flare, go back to basics - bone broth soups, chicken, beef,

fish, etc, at least once a

day for a while. It's a great anti-inflammatory and very nourishing.

>

> * Do I need to go on a liquid diet to help get me out of this flare?

no. just go back to intro and level 1 for a few days to help settle and clear

out

your system.

>

> * For anyone who has cheated on the diet before with symptoms coming back, how

long did it take for you to get back to normal?

it also depends if your normal was caused by the medicine or not

because it may have masked stuff -

that, with the medicine no longer working, is not now being masked.

Mara

[Guest guest]

>

> just to confuse you, fever could also be die off from the stuff you ate over

christmas.

>

Well, I wish it were die off, but I have noticed now 4 times that after I eat a

substantial amount of nuts, I get a fever the next day.

> when was your last infusion? it tends to wear off at the end of the infusion

period anyway.

>

My last infusion was December 22, so I think it should still have some affect. I

know it usually wears off towards the end, but that was not that long ago.

Thanks for your suggestions, Mara. I will try going back to the basics, which I

never started with, because I guess my symptoms were being masked. I appreciate

your help.

Amber

[Guest guest]

Amber,

The first 65 days I was on SCD I cheated several times, 3 times

of significance. After the 1st 2 cheats I started back at

intro and that probably helped a lot, even though I only did it for like a day-and-a-half

each time.

The third time was on Christmas and I had joined the list. I

followed some of the suggestions:

1.

Take Epsom salt baths. In first ten days back on I took

about 7 epsom salt baths and I think that helped me TONS.

2.

The other thing I did, which is because I have sugar “issues”

I simply allowed myself to have as much honey as I wanted. I tend to

be too restrictive and then overeat, which is one of the habits I am changing

with SCD. I find that if I let myself eat as much honey as I want, I

naturally start craving savory foods and my desire for sweets lessens.

Anyway this time I have stayed on SCD for –this is my 21st

day – the longest I have stayed on consecutively since I started.

I thought it was interesting that each time I cheated I felt

worse. Like the last time I cheated I felt much worse than the first

time, which has probably also been a big motivator in not cheating again.

From:

BTVC-SCD [mailto:BTVC-SCD ] On Behalf Of fossil.color

Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 6:52 AM

To: BTVC-SCD

Subject: Re: Nuts and symptoms

Thank you for all the responses. I think this

is one of those cases where everyone is different. For me, it's obvious that my

body cannot handle nuts right now, which is a huge bummer, because I love them.

I ate some on Friday night, and on Saturday I had a fever of 103.7. Yikes! I

was scared I was going to have to go the the hospital. I had major D all day

and didn't get out of bed. Then the next day, the fever was gone.

Unfortunately, I think I must be in a flare. I was diagnosed this summer, so I

wasn't sure what to expect in a flare. Now I'm having frequency and D. I think

it's from both cheating over Christmas and the Remicade wearing off. I'm so

bummed, because I was started on the top tier drugs, and it's pretty obvious

they're not working right now.

So here's my question. For those of you who started the diet in a flare-

* Did you start on level 1 foods, or did you find that just sticking with the

diet helped?

* Do I need to go on a liquid diet to help get me out of this flare?

* For anyone who has cheated on the diet before with symptoms coming back, how

long did it take for you to get back to normal?

Thank you,

Amber

>

> OK, so I am admittedly a nut addict, wether it be peanut butter, almond

butter, cashews or whatever. I know I go overboard on them. After my first

infusions of Remicade, I could eat whatever and not notice a difference. Well,

it seems that is not the case anymore. I find that if I eat illegals I will get

symptoms back, which may sound odd, but I'm actually glad because before that

wasn't the case so I didn't know if the diet was working.

>

> I did fall of the wagon over Christmas and have recommitted myself. I'm

pretty active so I get hungry a lot, and many times I reach for nuts or nut

butters, and I'm sure I over do it. I know that if you're in the beginning

stages, you're not even supposed to have nuts, but I don't feel so terrible

that I feel I need to go to stage one, plus I think I'd be starving and

wouldn't be able to work out.

>

> I have noticed if I eat too many nuts, I either get more frequent BMs or I

come down with a low grade fever or chills. At least, I think it's from the

nuts, but I'm not sure. I have read that nuts are one of the reason the diet

fails for a lot of people. I'm assuming it's nuts, but I've also heard that cheese

can be an issue. I eat a substantial amount of cheese.

>

> Sorry this is long, I'll cut the the point with my questions-

>

> • Has anyone else experienced low grade fevers/chills after eating

nuts for cheese? If so, did you have to completely eliminate them from your

diet?

>

> • If you did, were you able to eventually add them back in?

>

> I probably need to get more creative with my food choices, but if I

eliminate nuts and cheese, nothing sounds good. And I know it sounds weird, but

I don't feel that satiated by meat or other fats. Anyone have any tips?

>

> Thanks for listening,

>

> Amber

>

[Guest guest]

There is a big difference between cheating on a weight loss diet and SCD. With

weight loss, if you cheat,the consequences are that you don't lose weight. In

this case you can actually plan to cheat if you like- like at holidays- and just

get back to the diet.

With SCD, you begin to change your gut ecology, which takes time. At the

beginning, you will have die off of some of the weaker bugs, but there are still

some tough guys hanging on. You keep the population down because you are not

feeding them...and there are not enough of them to bother you. We also add good

bugs with SCD yogurt and or legal probiotics to compete with them.

When someone cheats, they are basically throwing the bad bugs a big party, and

they have a banquet on the illegals. At this point, they multiply and give you a

bad time. You can start over with SCD, but it feels like starting over at day 1,

or worse.

The benefits of SCD are over the long run, not just the short run. It's not

worth it to cheat and undo this hard work.

PJ

> >

> > OK, so I am admittedly a nut addict, wether it be peanut butter, almond

> butter, cashews or whatever. I know I go overboard on them. After my first

> infusions of Remicade, I could eat whatever and not notice a difference.

> Well, it seems that is not the case anymore. I find that if I eat illegals I

> will get symptoms back, which may sound odd, but I'm actually glad because

> before that wasn't the case so I didn't know if the diet was working.

> >

> > I did fall of the wagon over Christmas and have recommitted myself. I'm

> pretty active so I get hungry a lot, and many times I reach for nuts or nut

> butters, and I'm sure I over do it. I know that if you're in the beginning

> stages, you're not even supposed to have nuts, but I don't feel so terrible

> that I feel I need to go to stage one, plus I think I'd be starving and

> wouldn't be able to work out.

> >

> > I have noticed if I eat too many nuts, I either get more frequent BMs or I

> come down with a low grade fever or chills. At least, I think it's from the

> nuts, but I'm not sure. I have read that nuts are one of the reason the diet

> fails for a lot of people. I'm assuming it's nuts, but I've also heard that

> cheese can be an issue. I eat a substantial amount of cheese.

> >

> > Sorry this is long, I'll cut the the point with my questions-

> >

> > . Has anyone else experienced low grade fevers/chills after eating nuts

> for cheese? If so, did you have to completely eliminate them from your diet?

> >

> > . If you did, were you able to eventually add them back in?

> >

> > I probably need to get more creative with my food choices, but if I

> eliminate nuts and cheese, nothing sounds good. And I know it sounds weird,

> but I don't feel that satiated by meat or other fats. Anyone have any tips?

> >

> > Thanks for listening,

> >

> > Amber

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for the tips. I'm kind of like you where I tend to get too restrictive,

or not eat enough during the day and then eat too much at night. That seems to

cause issues with me.

PJ,

I completely agree that it is not worth cheating on the diet. I found that out

the hard way.

One more question- since I'm experiencing symptoms again, do I need to lay off

the yogurt or would it be more beneficial to eat more yogurt?

Thanks,

Amber

> > >

> > > OK, so I am admittedly a nut addict, wether it be peanut butter, almond

> > butter, cashews or whatever. I know I go overboard on them. After my first

> > infusions of Remicade, I could eat whatever and not notice a difference.

> > Well, it seems that is not the case anymore. I find that if I eat illegals I

> > will get symptoms back, which may sound odd, but I'm actually glad because

> > before that wasn't the case so I didn't know if the diet was working.

> > >

> > > I did fall of the wagon over Christmas and have recommitted myself. I'm

> > pretty active so I get hungry a lot, and many times I reach for nuts or nut

> > butters, and I'm sure I over do it. I know that if you're in the beginning

> > stages, you're not even supposed to have nuts, but I don't feel so terrible

> > that I feel I need to go to stage one, plus I think I'd be starving and

> > wouldn't be able to work out.

> > >

> > > I have noticed if I eat too many nuts, I either get more frequent BMs or I

> > come down with a low grade fever or chills. At least, I think it's from the

> > nuts, but I'm not sure. I have read that nuts are one of the reason the diet

> > fails for a lot of people. I'm assuming it's nuts, but I've also heard that

> > cheese can be an issue. I eat a substantial amount of cheese.

> > >

> > > Sorry this is long, I'll cut the the point with my questions-

> > >

> > > . Has anyone else experienced low grade fevers/chills after eating nuts

> > for cheese? If so, did you have to completely eliminate them from your diet?

> > >

> > > . If you did, were you able to eventually add them back in?

> > >

> > > I probably need to get more creative with my food choices, but if I

> > eliminate nuts and cheese, nothing sounds good. And I know it sounds weird,

> > but I don't feel that satiated by meat or other fats. Anyone have any tips?

> > >

> > > Thanks for listening,

> > >

> > > Amber

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> ,

>

> Thanks for the tips. I'm kind of like you where I tend to get too restrictive,

or not eat enough during the day and then eat too much at night. That seems to

cause issues with me.

>

> PJ,

> I completely agree that it is not worth cheating on the diet. I found that out

the hard way.

>

>

> One more question- since I'm experiencing symptoms again, do I need to lay off

the yogurt or would it be more beneficial to eat more yogurt?

There's no hard rule. It can either make you feel

better or worse. You'll just have to test the

waters for yourself.

Mara

[Guest guest]

You don't have to but it helped me to give my system a break for one or two

days. Stuck to fresh, diluted juices.

Stacey

> * Do I need to go on a liquid diet to help get me out of this flare?