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Debbie, do you ever watch Ugly Betty? It's on Wed. nights. I love this show. At one point, Betty & a young man at work became attracted to each other. Just as things were looking good, his ex-girlfriend from his hometown showed up in New York, to try to make things works. He was torn between her & Betty, but let his girlfriend move in with him. He kept inviting Betty to do things with him & the girlfriend "Charlie." Betty & Charlie actually had clicked as friends. But it was very painful for Betty to see them together. On one episode, Henry invited Betty to some activity with him & Charlie. Betty declined, and as Henry pushed her some more, she looked directly at him and very firmly said some like, "Henry, I can't spend time with you and your girlfriend. It's just not good for me right now." Henry asked, "Then what does that make you and me?" And Betty answered, "Two people who work in the same building." And she went back to work. I have a hunch that eventually Betty & Henry will be together, but I really like the way it was done, that Betty realized seeing Henry & Charlie together was just too painful & distructive for her, and she wasn't going to put herself through it anymore. And Henry & Charlie aren't bad people. They both care about Betty, but they just don't realize how she's being hurt.

If you guys have never watched this show, watch it! It's not only hilarious, but makes excellent points about families & relationships.

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Reply-To: Neurosarcoidosis To: Neurosarcoidosis Subject: Re: warning, Christian content - SDate: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:44:35 -0700 (PDT)

Terri & ,

I was reading about your sisters & I have a similar situation with my cousin. She was not only a cousin but also a great friend. But as I got physically sick , she started getting more mentally ill. Her mother is szchophrenic(sp?) and I think that's where her illness is coming from. She is not a szcho., but she has quite a multitude of mental problems now. But I have noticed since the illness' started, I have had to kindly "push" her out of my life. She would get me so wired and upset, it would make me feel more ill. I finally found myself avoiding her calls and hiding out from her because subconciously, I couldn't handle her visits anymore. I know she is ill just like me and she does need the support which makes me feel so guilty for pushing her away. I also find myself thinking about her and worrying about her.

But if praying for her is the only way I can help her without making myself sick, that's all that I can do, I guess. Thanks for listening. Debbie

Co-Moderatormosaicgirl1 <mosaicgirl1 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

,I saw your post yesterday but didn't get to write; I am sorry you arehaving such a hard time. Girl get out those paints and paint your heartout. It will help your depression.I have a sister like yours but she is bi-polar and drug addicted. Ifinally had to just shut her out. I know how bad it hurts my Mom, butbesides just wearing me out, she was stealing pills,prescriptions....anything that would help her get high. When shecouldn't get meds she would eat over the counter benadryl just to try toget high., I know you are a Christian and you need to pray about your sister.What I did was not easy and it really hurt my Mom, but my other sisterand brother have done the same thing. You just don't need the extrastress. God is always with us and when she gets on your nerves, startpraying like there is no tomorrow.I used to pray that He would change my health, my situation; now I justpray that I get to be here to see a new day and to enjoy my life nomatter how long or short it is.So , any time you need to vent just go for it. Just know that youare being thought of and prayed for.Terri G.>> ...I am just feeling so crappy today. ...really depressed and justneed a cry and a hug today. If you're up to it today send some prayers,good thoughts, whatever you can. Yesterday I got dressed (took aboutthree hours...) and took a twenty minute drive to see my mom and thesubsequent houseful of people. I felt so tired/fatigued that I basicallysat for an hour...felt overwhelmed by the constant loud talking...that Igave my mom a hug and told her I had to leave cuz I wasn't feeling well.My sister who is on dexatrin(speed) (NOT dexatrim ...the diet pill)forher fibro just talked nonstop for the whole time I was there. Iwondered...how does she breathe? Someone would ask her husband aquestion and he would say one sentence stop to breathe and in she wouldgo to finish what he would have said. I find this behavior soself-centered and rude but I don't have the strength to confront herabout it anymore. This turn-back to colder weather has also turned mypain back> up a large notch or two. And my depression has also returned. I am sotired of this cold. On days like this it just all seems just too muchtoo handle and I want to stay in bed all day. But I will force myself tostart a new painting and reach out to other people so I can Try to takemy mind off my own troubles. I am going to be impolite... so those ofyou bothered by cussing please don't read on.... SHIT SHIT SHIT damn theheadaches damn the irritating behaviour of inconsiderate people damnthis disease damn the pain damn the fatigue But hugs to all of you..nowI'll try to work through my pity party of today...thanks for listening S.>> ---------------------------------> Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.> Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta.>~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~The Neurosarcoidosis CommunityNS CHAT:- FAITH CHATS: WEDNESDAY 9PM EST. 8PM CENTRAL. 6PM PST SUNDAY 12 MIDNIGHT EST. 11PM CENTRAL. 9PM PSTOPEN CHATS: THURSDAY 9PM EST. 8PM CENTRAL. 6PM PSTSUNDAY 4PM EST. 3PM CENTRAL. 1PM PSTCHATROOM LINK: http://www.emxpc.net/chat/index.php Message Archives:-http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Neurosarcoidosis/messagesMembers Database:-Listings of locations, phone numbers, and instant messengers.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Neurosarcoidosis/database

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No, Rose, I have never watched that show. But that is very similar situation , isn't it? I haven't heard from her in awhile now. I feel bad , but in away it gives me a sigh of relief because of the stress she put me through and the stress that made me feel emotionally made me feel worse which didn't help my illness. Thanks for the insight. DebbieRose wrote: Debbie, do you ever watch Ugly Betty? It's on Wed. nights. I love this show. At one point, Betty & a young man at work became attracted to each other. Just as things were looking good, his ex-girlfriend from his hometown showed up in New York, to try to make things works. He was torn between her & Betty, but let his girlfriend move in with

him. He kept inviting Betty to do things with him & the girlfriend "Charlie." Betty & Charlie actually had clicked as friends. But it was very painful for Betty to see them together. On one episode, Henry invited Betty to some activity with him & Charlie. Betty declined, and as Henry pushed her some more, she looked directly at him and very firmly said some like, "Henry, I can't spend time with you and your girlfriend. It's just not good for me right now." Henry asked, "Then what does that make you and me?" And Betty answered, "Two people who work in the same building." And she went back to work. I have a hunch that eventually Betty & Henry will be together, but I really like the way it was done, that Betty realized seeing Henry & Charlie together was just too painful & distructive for her, and she wasn't going to put herself through it anymore. And Henry & Charlie aren't bad

people. They both care about Betty, but they just don't realize how she's being hurt. If you guys have never watched this show, watch it! It's not only hilarious, but makes excellent points about families & relationships. Ramblin' Rose Moderator From: Debbie

Reply-To: Neurosarcoidosis To: Neurosarcoidosis Subject: Re: warning, Christian content - SDate: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 05:44:35 -0700 (PDT) Terri & , I was reading about your sisters & I have a similar situation with my cousin. She was not only a cousin but also a great friend. But as I got physically sick , she started getting more mentally ill. Her mother is szchophrenic(sp?) and I think that's where her illness is coming from. She is not a szcho., but she has

quite a multitude of mental problems now. But I have noticed since the illness' started, I have had to kindly "push" her out of my life. She would get me so wired and upset, it would make me feel more ill. I finally found myself avoiding her calls and hiding out from her because subconciously, I couldn't handle her visits anymore. I know she is ill just like me and she does need the support which makes me feel so guilty for pushing her away. I also find myself thinking about her and worrying about her. But if praying for her is the only way I can help her without making myself sick, that's all that I can do, I guess. Thanks for listening. Debbie Co-Moderatormosaicgirl1 <mosaicgirl1 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: ,I saw your post yesterday but didn't get to

write; I am sorry you arehaving such a hard time. Girl get out those paints and paint your heartout. It will help your depression.I have a sister like yours but she is bi-polar and drug addicted. Ifinally had to just shut her out. I know how bad it hurts my Mom, butbesides just wearing me out, she was stealing pills,prescriptions....anything that would help her get high. When shecouldn't get meds she would eat over the counter benadryl just to try toget high., I know you are a Christian and you need to pray about your sister.What I did was not easy and it really hurt my Mom, but my other sisterand brother have done the same thing. You just don't need the extrastress. God is always with us and when she gets on your nerves, startpraying like there is no tomorrow.I used to pray that He would change my health, my situation; now I justpray that I get to be here to see a new day and to enjoy my life

nomatter how long or short it is.So , any time you need to vent just go for it. Just know that youare being thought of and prayed for.Terri G.>> ...I am just feeling so crappy today. ...really depressed and justneed a cry and a hug today. If you're up to it today send some prayers,good thoughts, whatever you can. Yesterday I got dressed (took aboutthree hours...) and took a twenty minute drive to see my mom and thesubsequent houseful of people. I felt so tired/fatigued that I basicallysat for an hour...felt overwhelmed by the constant loud talking...that Igave my mom a hug and told her I had to leave cuz I wasn't feeling well.My sister who is on dexatrin(speed) (NOT dexatrim ...the diet pill)forher fibro just talked nonstop for the whole time I was there. Iwondered...how does she breathe? Someone would ask her husband

aquestion and he would say one sentence stop to breathe and in she wouldgo to finish what he would have said. I find this behavior soself-centered and rude but I don't have the strength to confront herabout it anymore. This turn-back to colder weather has also turned mypain back> up a large notch or two. And my depression has also returned. I am sotired of this cold. On days like this it just all seems just too muchtoo handle and I want to stay in bed all day. But I will force myself tostart a new painting and reach out to other people so I can Try to takemy mind off my own troubles. I am going to be impolite... so those ofyou bothered by cussing please don't read on.... SHIT SHIT SHIT damn theheadaches damn the irritating behaviour of inconsiderate people damnthis disease damn the pain damn the fatigue But hugs to all of you..nowI'll try to work through my pity party of today...thanks for listening

S.>> ---------------------------------> Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.> Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta.>~~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~ *** ~~~~The Neurosarcoidosis CommunityNS CHAT:- FAITH CHATS: WEDNESDAY 9PM EST. 8PM CENTRAL. 6PM PST SUNDAY 12 MIDNIGHT EST. 11PM CENTRAL. 9PM PSTOPEN CHATS: THURSDAY 9PM EST. 8PM CENTRAL. 6PM PSTSUNDAY 4PM EST. 3PM CENTRAL. 1PM PSTCHATROOM LINK: http://www.emxpc.net/chat/index.php Message Archives:-http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Neurosarcoidosis/messagesMembers Database:-Listings of locations, phone numbers, and instant messengers.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Neurosarcoidosis/database

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I think it is so important that we set boundaries. I too have a younger sister that chose crank and alcholol over life. She goes into her place every now and then, and starts on the "you have wonderful marriages, kids--yada yada" and I just have to walk away.

I know first hand the addiction issue. I also know that it was either clean up my life or die from that issue. I choose life.

This last year was sure a wake up call when my son and his ex-girlfriend lived under our roof, and she manipulated herself into our hearts, but again, alcohol was her comfort blanket. What a lost soul. .

We do need to pray for these people, and have open-hearts when we see such pain, but having an open heart does not mean that we take on their pain. It means we send out love and that virtual blanket, and hope that the Universe gets it where it is needed. We also give ourself permission to accept that sometimes that won't be the person directly in front of us.

For me, that is part of my philosphy of healing. We just keep sending love into the Universe, and know that it will land where it is needed.

Namaste,

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