Re: Question about RNY vs. DS

August 15, 2001

What is astonishing to me is that someone who has had the RNY would

join a DS list and bash the DS and praise the RNY. What is the point

of this?! Why not just join an RNY list and talk about how wonderful

the RNY is there? Singing it's praises here is like being a Democrat

and joining a Republican list and bashing Republicans. It's bound to

start a near riot. I truly don't understand why one would *want* to

be on this list if they had a different surgery that they think is

superior. This list is called a DS list for a reason. You certainly

won't catch me joining an RNY list and telling them how wrong their

choice was.

August 15, 2001

> You seem to think that DS'ers can just eat whatever they like

> whenever they like, but this is not the case at all.

I have had several post ops tell me this in almost these exact

words. I have also had others tell me otherwise. It is very

individual and perhaps related to how far post op you are.

Best --

Nick in Sage

August 15, 2001

You seem to think that DS'ers can just eat whatever they like

> > whenever they like, but this is not the case at all.

>

> I have had several post ops tell me this in almost these exact

> words. I have also had others tell me otherwise. It is very

> individual and perhaps related to how far post op you are.>>>>>

I have always eaten what I wanted when I wanted and the weight is coming off

and my labs are excellent!

Cant say the same for the RNYers!

Judie

>

August 15, 2001

I eat anything.....and I mean ANYTHING! I eat bacon and sausage and eggs

for breakfast sometimes every day....i can eat spaghetti and french bread

with butter and garlic and onions.....it might trigger a BM but not horrid

diahrea! (in the beginning when you are just getting used to your new

plumbing you might but Im 9 months out today and its been the norm for me to

eat fats with no problems, Today I had fried chicken....yesterday too! And

no running to the bathroom either! Im down 82 lbs (hubby is down 126 and he

eats alot more than I do) and neither one of us has had any problems with

anything we eat. (only exception is I now do not like ice cream!!)

I got the same intstructions from my dietican too but threw that paper away

when I found out that fats are truly my friend! I dont know why they tell

you those things...... My cholesterol went from 273 pre opt to 123 now!

wooooohooooo!!

So, you can go to bed with that smile on your face and dream of all the good

things you can eat and still lose with! Just remember that your tastes will

change somewhat and what you love now you might not like later.....and your

new tummy will not hold as much as before!

Judie =)

August 15, 2001

,

Hi !!! As usual, what you have to say has helped. I'm not a 'sugar'

type binger to begin with ...

I'd have to say mine is more carbs ... breads, etc. I can't think of one

aspect of the RNY that

sounds appealing to me and what I hope for my future, but I was interested

in knowing if one

procedure was better than the other for certain types of eating habits. I

just keep feeling

better and better about the DS decision :-)

Bye,

Donna

ruisha@...

To: duodenalswitch

08/15/01 09:41 cc:

PM Subject: Re: Re:

Question about RNY vs. DS

Please respond

to

duodenalswitch

In a message dated 8/15/01 4:11:17 PM, duodenalswitch

writes:

<< I would like to ask, however, if there are certain

'patterns'

of eating that are more conducive to success with one procedure

versus the other, i.e., binge eating, comfort eating, etc.

>>

Donna: This is an interesting question and one that I really don't have

the

answer to. I know that most who do choose the RNY *tend to* feel totally

out

of control with their eating, so much so that they really find the surgery

that prevents one from eating certain foods (mainly sugar items) in order

to

modify their behavior. I think that it can change one's eating habits

(but

one has to be mentally prepared for it), but it can also add more problems

down the road. For example, what happens when one dumps initally, says

'I'll

NEVEr eat chocolate again' then feels resentment that one can't even have a

slice of birthday cake and some years down the road discovers that the

dumping is lessened? Maybe they'll 'make up for lost time' by eating the

stuff all over again!

I also think a lot of post-op RNYs really have to deal with loss of food as

a

comfort, etc. - perhaps moreso than Dsers because we generally can and do

eat

anything (I'm not just talking about sugar here, which we all know can

sabotage ANY surgery, but fried and fatty foods). HOw can one feel

satisfied

with such tiny bites of things and have to chew so much? I mean, I know of

a

gal who said she had her 'shotglass collection' all lined up and ready for

her RNY post-op life! Sheesh! I'd go crazy if I had to eat out of

shotglasses, even if it was for one year post-op!

Most compulsive sugar eaters think the RNY is better because it can

condition

one not to eat sweets. Problem is dumping is NOT guaranteed nor is it

always

permanant. Personally, I was a pretty balanced, nutritious eater. Don't

get

me wrong, I had my chocolates (now I don't seem to enjoy chocolate HALF as

much as pre-op, either! Weird, eh?), etc. but it wasn't like I binged on

sweets. I ate too much, really. My portions and frequency were

astounding.

But, I thought I 'felt hungry' and would be miserable (lightheaded, weak)

if

I drastically cut back on the calories. I feel so great now because I can

eat until I'm full, feel totally satisfied and not have that annoying

hunger

bothering me. I feel much more balanced.

all the best,

lap ds with gallbladder removal

January 25, 2001

Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

six months post-op and still feelin' fabu!

pre-op: 307 lbs/bmi 45

now: 228 again! Yahoo!

----------------------------------------------------------------------

August 15, 2001

,

Hi !!! As usual, what you have to say has helped. I'm not a 'sugar'

type binger to begin with ...

I'd have to say mine is more carbs ... breads, etc. I can't think of one

aspect of the RNY that

sounds appealing to me and what I hope for my future, but I was interested

in knowing if one

procedure was better than the other for certain types of eating habits. I

just keep feeling

better and better about the DS decision :-)

Bye,

Donna

ruisha@...

To: duodenalswitch

08/15/01 09:41 cc:

PM Subject: Re: Re:

Question about RNY vs. DS

Please respond

to

duodenalswitch

In a message dated 8/15/01 4:11:17 PM, duodenalswitch

writes:

<< I would like to ask, however, if there are certain

'patterns'

of eating that are more conducive to success with one procedure

versus the other, i.e., binge eating, comfort eating, etc.

>>

Donna: This is an interesting question and one that I really don't have

the

answer to. I know that most who do choose the RNY *tend to* feel totally

out

of control with their eating, so much so that they really find the surgery

that prevents one from eating certain foods (mainly sugar items) in order

to

modify their behavior. I think that it can change one's eating habits

(but

one has to be mentally prepared for it), but it can also add more problems

down the road. For example, what happens when one dumps initally, says

'I'll

NEVEr eat chocolate again' then feels resentment that one can't even have a

slice of birthday cake and some years down the road discovers that the

dumping is lessened? Maybe they'll 'make up for lost time' by eating the

stuff all over again!

I also think a lot of post-op RNYs really have to deal with loss of food as

a

comfort, etc. - perhaps moreso than Dsers because we generally can and do

eat

anything (I'm not just talking about sugar here, which we all know can

sabotage ANY surgery, but fried and fatty foods). HOw can one feel

satisfied

with such tiny bites of things and have to chew so much? I mean, I know of

a

gal who said she had her 'shotglass collection' all lined up and ready for

her RNY post-op life! Sheesh! I'd go crazy if I had to eat out of

shotglasses, even if it was for one year post-op!

Most compulsive sugar eaters think the RNY is better because it can

condition

one not to eat sweets. Problem is dumping is NOT guaranteed nor is it

always

permanant. Personally, I was a pretty balanced, nutritious eater. Don't

get

me wrong, I had my chocolates (now I don't seem to enjoy chocolate HALF as

much as pre-op, either! Weird, eh?), etc. but it wasn't like I binged on

sweets. I ate too much, really. My portions and frequency were

astounding.

But, I thought I 'felt hungry' and would be miserable (lightheaded, weak)

if

I drastically cut back on the calories. I feel so great now because I can

eat until I'm full, feel totally satisfied and not have that annoying

hunger

bothering me. I feel much more balanced.

all the best,

lap ds with gallbladder removal

January 25, 2001

Dr. Gagner/Mt. Sinai/NYC

six months post-op and still feelin' fabu!

pre-op: 307 lbs/bmi 45

now: 228 again! Yahoo!

----------------------------------------------------------------------

August 15, 2001

I know its not easy to believe we can eat such good foods and not worry

about gaining. I remember being reluctant to believe that too so I had to

experience it for myself. Kris used to be here and talked about

that alot....how she ate whatever she wanted and had 6 pieces of bacon,

sausage and 3-4 eggs for breakfast every morning! She even ate fritos and

chips without a hitch! One thing we have to remember is our minds have been

" condtioned " to think we cant have those things anymore and fat is bad,

etc....we have to get over that mentality! I truly do not diet anymore. I

eat whatever I want just as a thinner person would eat. Some days I eat

more than other days just like a thin person would! Believe it......!!!

The DS is a dream come true!

Hugs, Judie

Re: Re: Question about RNY vs. DS

> Gosh Judi that is so hard for my moridly obese mind to conceive. I guess

you

> will have to give me a few months to say, hey Judi, you were so right! <g>

>

> Thanks for letting me go to bed happy!

>

August 15, 2001