Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 Please do not get too excited. Read carefully: While the vote was a clear victory for Democrats, supporters of the bill failed to garner the two-thirds majority needed to override a presidential veto President Bush can still veto this bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 wrote: >President Bush can still veto this bill. He doesn't dare. Public support for this is overwhelming. How will he be able to explain siding with the insurance companies over the voters? He cannot blame the trial lawyers. The fact is that the lawyers would have nobody to sue if the insurance companies weren't screwing up day after day, counting beans instead of lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 Bush doesn't dare veto this bill???? LOL Guess again Don't get me started in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- > He doesn't dare. Public support for this is overwhelming. How will he be > able to explain siding with the insurance companies over the voters? > > He cannot blame the trial lawyers. The fact is that the lawyers would have > nobody to sue if the insurance companies weren't screwing up day after day, > counting beans instead of lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 Well, at the risk of fueling political controversy I have to say this did not stop Bush from taking office. He is the first US president elected that did not receive the popular vote, so I don't think the issue of Public opinion over this issue is going to concern him. It's the healthcare corporations who contributed to his campaign that he is more concerned about keeping happy. Nahodil Woodbridge, VA Pre-Op Dr. Elariny Fairfax INOVA Hospital BPD/DS Part 1 Version 1 Date: TBA Re: health care rights bill wrote: >President Bush can still veto this bill. He doesn't dare. Public support for this is overwhelming. How will he be able to explain siding with the insurance companies over the voters? He cannot blame the trial lawyers. The fact is that the lawyers would have nobody to sue if the insurance companies weren't screwing up day after day, counting beans instead of lives. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 And by the way, this isn't a "bill" until the Republican-controlled House deals with the issue and they've promised (as usual) to carry the interests of the industry rather than patients - all the while promising to blame us lawyers for enforcing the rights of patients! What a sad sad lot they are! Walter Lindstrom, Jr., EsquireObesity Law & Advocacy Centerwww.obesitylaw.com2939 Alta View Drive, Suite O-360San Diego, CA 92139Tel: Fax: health care rights bill Please do not get too excited. Read carefully: While the vote was a clear victory for Democrats, supporters of the bill failed to garner the two-thirds majority needed to override a presidential veto President Bush can still veto this bill. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 So True ! Also, I read an article yesterday where he said that 'he could not in good conscience sign the bill. To do so would be to ignore what's best for patients'. Can you believe that garbage? gobo > > >President Bush can still veto this bill. > > He doesn't dare. Public support for this is overwhelming. How will he be > able to explain siding with the insurance companies over the voters? > > He cannot blame the trial lawyers. The fact is that the lawyers would have > nobody to sue if the insurance companies weren't screwing up day after day, > counting beans instead of lives. > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 Just a friendly reminder before this thread degnerates into a flamefest. Political debates are specifically listed as against the rules here! :-) I do see the connection in this thread to WLS, but I do hope it won't become politically polarized and and thus not illuminating for anyone with regard to the DS. (tip 'o the moderator hat) > Re: health care rights bill > > wrote: > > >President Bush can still veto this bill. > > He doesn't dare. Public support for this is overwhelming. > How will he be > able to explain siding with the insurance companies over the voters? > > He cannot blame the trial lawyers. The fact is that the > lawyers would have > nobody to sue if the insurance companies weren't screwing up > day after day, > counting beans instead of lives. > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 "He doesn't dare. Public support for this is overwhelming. How will he beable to explain siding with the insurance companies over the voters?" It is still a pretty raw bill. Without some additional wording we can expect our insurance rates to jump 100%. There has to be a cap on the amount that someone can sue for. Pres Bush wants a bill but not the way this one reads. I am all for signing a good law into effect but not one that is going to cost me more money out of my paycheck each week. We need some kind of law like this but the insurance companies are not going to take a loss no matter what. Think of it this way. If you pay $21 per month for your insurance if this bill passes the way it is right now you will be paying $121 per month. The good part is that the representatives in the house are going to write some provisions in it so maybe it will be enough to satisfy everyone. It will never satisfy the HMO's no matter what. My mom lost her hearing because of a HMO doctor being stingy with a referral to a specialist. HMO contracted docs get a bonus if they can keep the referrals to a minimum. Sucks! Viau http://www.angelfire.com/on/wannabemagic/WLS.html 3/29/01: 3166/26/01: 256 (-60 lbs)Dr Ren, NYUMC http://www.thinforlife.orgTo join the new group for Dr Ren click on the link belowhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/NYUMC-thinforlife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 - Get real on your antipolitical thing! Everything that happens to us just about is determined by some political decision. Here, we are dealing with our right to receive needed surgery. That right is going to come from some kind of political decision. The health care industry is going to fight by gouging, scratching and kicking every attempt that is made to control them. Through action we just may be able to gain our rights. How many people do we hear from who have been denied? Do you want to deny them the ability to work towards mobilizing this group to help them (and maybe ourselves) to work toward guaranteeing a surgical option? That, , is politics! It is only through these politics that we will assure that our MO brothers and sisters get the treatment they need. If we can't deal with that here, what do you suggest? Remember, , your moderating has gotten this list into trouble before and caused a number of worthwhile contributors to leave and create their own group at WLS_uncensored. We are still dealing with the Deb vs. Dr. Ren thing anyway. (Deb is in the right, you know.) Leave that " hat " in the closet . . . or . . . better yet, relegate it to the trash can. Or, maybe you want to return to the " Conga-Rats, " " Swinging Chickens " and " Happy Dance " posts exclusively. Best -- Nick in Sage, Republican, who still thinks the pResident is a little worm. Re: health care rights bill > > > > wrote: > > > > >President Bush can still veto this bill. > > > > He doesn't dare. Public support for this is overwhelming. > > How will he be > > able to explain siding with the insurance companies over the voters? > > > > He cannot blame the trial lawyers. The fact is that the > > lawyers would have > > nobody to sue if the insurance companies weren't screwing up > > day after day, > > counting beans instead of lives. > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 One more time, but with typos corrected: Nick, My " antipolitical thing " , as you call it, is a list rule. It is intended to prevent flame wars that are unrelated to the topic at hand which is DS support and education. I stated that I see the connection in this thread, but also said I hoped the thread wouldn't degenerate. Nick -- you are causing this thread to now degenerate, aren't you? Hmm? _________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 There IS a cap on how much a person can receive in damages. That cap is set by the jury who hears ALL of the evidence. Do you want Congress to set that cap in a "one size fits all" limitation? By the way, read "all" as fitting the greedy needs of the health insurers. President Bush wants a bill, all right. He wants a bill that, through smoke and mirrors, makes it look like he cares about us while at the same time feathering the nest of his big-money constituency. After all, it was they, and not us, who were responsible for his sElection. Where did you get your figure that premiums would double? Ari Fleisher or Karl Rove? Then you jump from 100% to a $21 per month premium going to $121. That figure must have come from the Rush Limbaugh Excellence in Obfuscation Network. Getting back to becoming a little more serious, I do believe that there has been far too much misinformation about the purported economic impact on premiums thrown about by the health insurers. Remember, too, that the insurers can avoid litigation very easily. All they have to do is be both honest and responsible in making their decisions. If insurers save money by limiting their exposure, they will not be passing those savings on to us. Look for executive bonuses and earnings to increase! Best - - Nick in Sage, Republican, who still thinks the pResident is a petty, squirmy, slimy, incompetent, kinda dumb little worm. Re: health care rights bill "He doesn't dare. Public support for this is overwhelming. How will he beable to explain siding with the insurance companies over the voters?" It is still a pretty raw bill. Without some additional wording we can expect our insurance rates to jump 100%. There has to be a cap on the amount that someone can sue for. Pres Bush wants a bill but not the way this one reads. I am all for signing a good law into effect but not one that is going to cost me more money out of my paycheck each week. We need some kind of law like this but the insurance companies are not going to take a loss no matter what. Think of it this way. If you pay $21 per month for your insurance if this bill passes the way it is right now you will be paying $121 per month. The good part is that the representatives in the house are going to write some provisions in it so maybe it will be enough to satisfy everyone. It will never satisfy the HMO's no matter what. My mom lost her hearing because of a HMO doctor being stingy with a referral to a specialist. HMO contracted docs get a bonus if they can keep the referrals to a minimum. Sucks! Viau http://www.angelfire.com/on/wannabemagic/WLS.html 3/29/01: 3166/26/01: 256 (-60 lbs)Dr Ren, NYUMC http://www.thinforlife.orgTo join the new group for Dr Ren click on the link belowhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/NYUMC-thinforlife ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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