Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 To do this for $5000+ when what is really wanted is the DS seems self defeating to me. The DS can be had for about $11,000 from Dr Baltasar in Spain and the person would have a permanent solution. I totally agree and thankfully I have the availability of getting about 16,000 total to go and do that this month...but if someone is now willing to wait, my feeling is the band at least can be converted to something else down the road...personally I wouldnt have settled....If I could not have borrowed from my parents, I'd be depressed and sitting here saving money...I personally feel its the best choice for our bodies if we are going to do WLS. ~~* AJ *~~ BMI 59 Surgery date 7/24/01 going self pay - Dr Baltasar Spain Check out the Bellingham Support for WLS WWW.lookin2bthin.homestead.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 Be sure and save up your money to pay for another WLS in the future if you have the band. You are most likely looking at no more than a 50% of your excess weight loss and an almost certain regain in the future. Also plan to diet a lot and exercise like crazy. All the lap does is make you eat less. Every diet you have ever been on did the same thing. To do this for $5000+ when what is really wanted is the DS seems self defeating to me. The DS can be had for about $11,000 from Dr Baltasar in Spain and the person would have a permanent solution. in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- > > > I think I'd do that before I'd do the RNY...and you > > can do it in Mexico for > > 5000 according to a neighbor... > > It is between 5600 and 9500 depending on the Dr. I am > having it done. I have been lurking here to learn > about surgeries to decide what I wanted to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 > Be sure and save up your money to pay for another WLS in the future if you > have the band. You are most likely looking at no more than a 50% of your > excess weight loss and an almost certain regain in the future. That is a very short-sighted and somewhat insulting approach. It is also dead wrong if you review the long-term literature. The Lap-Band is a wonderful alternative for many people who simply will not and do not want the intestinal " rearrangement " that occurs with the RNY or DS....its adjustability is quite a powerful tool and many folks have had long term success in maintaining significant weight loss and have resolved their co-morbidities with the Lap-Band......this attitude of " my procedure's better than your procedure...nah nah - nah nah nah " is a bit beneath this group.....there is room in the continuum of treatment for all types of procedures (so long as they are safe and effective) and bad-mouthing one over another is simply short-sighted and wrong. While it may not be the procedure of choice for some, don't demean those who really do want an option but don't want their anatomy disrupted - they too deserve a treatment option! Walter Lindstrom, Jr., Esquire Obesity Law & Advocacy Center www.obesitylaw.com 2939 Alta View Drive, Suite O-360 San Diego, CA 92139 Tel: Fax: Re: lapband > Be sure and save up your money to pay for another WLS in the future if you > have the band. You are most likely looking at no more than a 50% of your > excess weight loss and an almost certain regain in the future. Also plan to > diet a lot and exercise like crazy. All the lap does is make you eat less. > Every diet you have ever been on did the same thing. > > To do this for $5000+ when what is really wanted is the DS seems self > defeating to me. The DS can be had for about $11,000 from Dr Baltasar in > Spain and the person would have a permanent solution. > > in Seattle > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > I think I'd do that before I'd do the RNY...and you > > > can do it in Mexico for > > > 5000 according to a neighbor... > > > > It is between 5600 and 9500 depending on the Dr. I am > > having it done. I have been lurking here to learn > > about surgeries to decide what I wanted to do. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 I have really considered seriously the AGB. It is a much easier surgery to tolerate and has relatively few complications associated with it. I compared the results of the US trials with the worldwide figures. There have been somewhere over a gazillion of these procedures done outside of the US. Long-term there are reports of very high long-term weight gain with the AGB worldwide. It is a much, much slower process because of the lack of a malabsorbtive component. Our US statistics are short-term and haven't allowed the AGB to do its thing over time. I don't believe that the 50% weight loss figure is meaningful. Further, our some of the US surgeons in the trials appeared to be biased against it. Those who performed it in good faith did not have the long-term experience in conducting followup which also likely contributed to the poorer statistics in the US. One of the local surgeons in S. California did not give the AGB a fair shake. After all, it is cheaper for the patient than their beloved RNY. Yet another only did a few procedures. It is my considered opinion that the AGB is a great procedure in many ways. It allows the weight loss to occur slowly. It can be adjusted to account for changing needs. The surgery is relatively inexpensive, simple and easily tolerated. No cutting into the digestive system occurs. That being said, I would not have it for myself for one of the same reasons that I wouldn't want the RNY. The lifestyle changes are immense as far as eating is concerned. In a year or two, just like the RNY, you still have to eat tiny amounts of food. I just don't think that I, or most of us for that matter, are going to be happy long term with that kind of limitation. My progression went from RNY (because that was recommended by my doctor and I didn't know about anything else) the the DS to the AGB (because it is safer and easier surgery) and right back to the DS. If I were going to have the AGB, I would not do so in the US because our surgeons are still far to early on their learning curve. There are several doctors in Mexico who work in excellent hospitals and who have polished their technique to perfection and I would make one of them my clear choice over anyone in this country. The cost of the procedure including hospitalization and everything else there is close to the surgeon's fee alone in the US. Best - Nick in Sage Re: lapband > Be sure and save up your money to pay for another WLS in the future if you > have the band. You are most likely looking at no more than a 50% of your > excess weight loss and an almost certain regain in the future. Also plan to > diet a lot and exercise like crazy. All the lap does is make you eat less. > Every diet you have ever been on did the same thing. > > To do this for $5000+ when what is really wanted is the DS seems self > defeating to me. The DS can be had for about $11,000 from Dr Baltasar in > Spain and the person would have a permanent solution. > > in Seattle > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > I think I'd do that before I'd do the RNY...and you > > > can do it in Mexico for > > > 5000 according to a neighbor... > > > > It is between 5600 and 9500 depending on the Dr. I am > > having it done. I have been lurking here to learn > > about surgeries to decide what I wanted to do. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2001 Report Share Posted June 30, 2001 OOPS - I used the term " high long-term weight gain . . . " Should have been " WEIGHT LOSS!!!!!! " Nick in Sage, Republican. who still thinks the pResident is a petty little worm. Re: lapband > > > > Be sure and save up your money to pay for another WLS in the future if you > > have the band. You are most likely looking at no more than a 50% of your > > excess weight loss and an almost certain regain in the future. Also plan > to > > diet a lot and exercise like crazy. All the lap does is make you eat > less. > > Every diet you have ever been on did the same thing. > > > > To do this for $5000+ when what is really wanted is the DS seems self > > defeating to me. The DS can be had for about $11,000 from Dr Baltasar in > > Spain and the person would have a permanent solution. > > > > in Seattle > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > I think I'd do that before I'd do the RNY...and you > > > > can do it in Mexico for > > > > 5000 according to a neighbor... > > > > > > It is between 5600 and 9500 depending on the Dr. I am > > > having it done. I have been lurking here to learn > > > about surgeries to decide what I wanted to do. > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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