For Nick and Everyone Else too

[Guest guest]

Nick et all,

I agree with your desire for free experession and I have been vocal

in my opinion. BUT - lets keep things civil between all parties

please. I think the whole reason these " rules " were put in place is

to aviod unseamly conversations. I don't think our dear moderator

wanted to escalate things with her initial coment, but unfortunately

things have.

There is room on this site for people of all political and religous

persuasions. Personally I've noticed that DS is a bit of a religion

in and of itself.

Although I made my decision in favor of the DS only a few weeks ago,

I have found myself tempted to evenglize those leaning towards RNY.

I wanted to share the " good news " of DS and about our savior, Dr.

Anthone, BUT - I have held my tongue (so to speak).

Sorry - hope I didn't offend anyone. My point is that we all get

drawn into this thing and get very pationate. I think every here

belives that HMO's and other insurance organizations need to cover

WLS just like any other surgery. Some may disagre on the best

legislative method - and we should still have them feel like they are

a part of this group.

I would like people of all political and religous (or non-religous)

persuasions to feel welcome here.

Let's all tone it down a little, and be constructive.

Thanks,

Hull

p.s.: Nick, personally I agree with your point of view.

> Kathie -

>

> If you think my posts are all negative, probably you aren't being

fully forthcoming about having read " all " my posts.

>

> My " happy camper " quotient is just fine. I have been negative in

my reaction on two occasions. First I posted concern over the

Deb/Dr. Ren issue (about which you have admitted to having incomplete

knowledge but then go on to talk about all the people who have died

from comorbidities which doesn't have any bearing on the Deb issue).

>

> Now I am concerned about the head-in-the-sand approach to the

politics of health insurance and the denial of approval of WLS

surgery. How do you see that as being unrelated to this list?

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> Both are issues very much related to what are regularly discussed

on this list. Why should we now cease discussing them because the

political system is now involved in determining just what rights an

HMO patient has? I sincerly hope that people will recognize that

just because their own ox remains ungored, others on the list both

now and in the future will depend upon a level playing field when it

comes to seeking approval of WLS.

>

> I am unimpressed with the " if you don't like it, leave " mentality.

I think, though, that I shall join Tom and try to exceed his hue of

purple in my visage.

>

> Best--

>

> Nick in Sage (who is repidly becoming becoming cyanotic)

>

>

> Hey Nick in Sage.....This one is for

You

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>

> Nick in Sage:

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> You do not seem to be a happy camper. Did you know that you too

can go to Yahoo and start your own list? On that list you can say

anything you want. You sound like someone who is not looking for

support but someone who wants to pick a fight. No one here needs

that. has been a wonderful moderator. There are hundreds of

members to this group and she has been a leader and inspiration to

all of us. The only thing that you have inspired me to do is to hit

the delete button when I see your name.

>

> I don't know the Deb story in its entirety because I was on no

mail for a period of time due to my own recovery. However, we have

had other members go through bad times and even pass away. I met a

wonderful girl in the waiting room of my doctor's office. She was 3

months post-op and although she was doing fine with her DS surgery,

she still was challenged by her pre-operative co-morbidities. Three

months later she was dead. She was a lot younger than me and had her

surgery just a few months before me. Most of us are not in good

health when we begin this journey and that complicates our whole

process. That is the reason that most doctors won't touch us for any

kind of surgery and our insurance companies abandon us . If you have

been a member of this group for as long as I have, you would know

that we are not strangers to untimely death and serious medical

complications.. These are usually sudden unexpected, heartbreaking

and frightening whether you are pre-op or post-op. I feel for the

fact that Deb went through a horrific experience but there is no need

to blame the group for moving on. It is the purpose of this group to

give support and be an informational vehicle. We cannot be like

crabs in a barrel, when one tries to get out, the others pull him

back in.

>

> If you are not happy here, leave. Re-read your posts, you

haven't said anything positive. It is for sure and her

supporters aren't going anywhere. So I repeat, if you're not happy,

go to Yahoo and make the " I'm Nick from Sage and I'm not happy " group

and watch the members join you. I notice that there was a support

group list for Deb's plight but it only had three or four posts.

Maybe you should activate that group.

>

>

> Kathie

> Lap DS, Dr Gagner

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