[SCDUK] Re: No More Bifidus!

[Guest guest]

Donna,I totally understand that your motives are pure and that you wish, like the rest of us, to further the SCD cause to help as many people as possible. However, I feel that you are becoming aggressive towards other members in your opinions and aims. "In my opinion your opinion doesn't mean that much these days anyway." and "So stop interfering and bring something useful to the table." are highly inflammatory statements that are deliberately hurtful and completely unnecessary. They hurt your cause.In addition, "Therefore for if you are contradicting the global scientific current

evidence, then this may be considered to be irresponsible advice" and "http://www.mamaherb.com/acidophilus-with-bifidus" still does not present scientific evidence, merely more opinion. So far I have yet see you cite any SCD related scientific studies to defend your opinions, granted though, I seldom continue reading your posts when you become anti-social in your statement, so I may have missed something. Maybe starting a new group for this debate would be helpful, that way only those wishing to improve SCD could carry on without interference from those of us merely wishing to use SCD to better our health.You risk losing the respect of several people in this community with this behavior. "So we will continue to have our informed decision debates." is a very good idea, so let us debate and not attack,

please.Regards,Amelia

----- Forwarded Message ----From: adamsdonna26 <no_reply >To: SCDUK Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:36:44 AMSubject: [sCDUK] Re: No More Bifidus!

Maraliyn

This is my opinion -

Elaines recommendation was based on her opinion, from the way she interpreted the slowly evolving evidence that was available at that time, which was many years ago. Probiotic management and understanding has vastly moved on since then.

As I understand it from just starting at the beginning of my probiotic journey, one of my concerns is that bifidus is the primary bacteria in the gut, and the diet is designed from the way I interpret the SCD hypothesis to destroy it, and that the only allowed probiotic we are advised to consume on the diet is Acidophilus, which is not able to repopulate the primary bifidus area of the gut of which the diet destroys amongst things.

Use the following of many links to clarify the important role of both of these probiotics in our modern times, and tell me why we should destroy our precious primary bifidus supply in the large intestine by using the diet, and only consume the allowed acidophilus probiotic which cannot repopulate that area.

http://www.mamaherb.com/acidophilus-with-bifidus

Therefore for if you are contradicting the global scientific current evidence, then this may be considered to be irresponsible advice and could be damaging to peoples health. Are you from a dietary qualified background connected to the current research in probiotic management, if so do something useful and bring them here, so we can continue our understanding of how best to protect ourselves in these modern times. You are bringing cases to us from humble moms and not from current medical studies. In my opinion your opinion doesn't mean that much these days anyway.

No one here is saying another should go out and consume bifidus or any other strain, what people are talking about is providing current evidence and information, so that we can make an informed decision, as we have no access to official qualified SCD spokespersons qualified in these areas, and we are therefore left to battle our way through outdated research. There is now also evidence that just consuming one strain of probitoic is also an issue that needs to be considered. So we will continue to have our informed decision debates.

We are trying to have constructive debates in here based on medical studies and factual and verifiable evidence. So stop interfering and bring something useful to the table.

Donna

[Guest guest]

I'm not following SCD atm. I'm doing fine though in that area.

That's not saying I can vary far or long but I can and do without

problems. I just have to stay on the yogurt.

When I was strict SCD, I tried the bifidus probiotics (and I'm not

100% on the name). It was extremely scary for a week even though I

took it maybe twice. My colon was doing really scary painful

activity. I'd never take it again.

It was very slow building up with the SCD yogurt. It burned but I

could feel the tightening in the abdominal area (for lack of better

description) immediately. The burning went away and things got better

all the way around almost immediately. I just had trouble finding

fruit/veggies I could eat.

Now I can eat yogurt all I want, I just went from 1/8 t. slowly to

whatever amount I wanted. With so many people who have the same

results, something must be right.

As for personal attacks, it doesn't happen often on this side. I'm

not sure how the UK group post came up over here on BTVC.

Debbie 40 cd texas

> The purpose of this forum is to help people follow the principles of SCD,

> and bifidus is not allowed on SCD. This should not provoke a personal attack

> on Marilyn. Her motive here is to share her personal success on SCD with

> those of us wishing to follow it as directed.

>

> There are many theories on diet, promoted by many with lofty degrees,

> including my own GI physician who insists that diet does not matter.

> However, if that is the case, then why have numerous people reported good

> results on SCD?

>

> People with lofty degrees have brought us the war on cholesterol, low fat,

> high fiber diets, and statins. However, controversy on these theories

> remain.

>

> We are not blind sheep following any advice we hear, but people sincerely

> looking and reading about how to stay as healthy as possible. I am sure

> there is plenty of material about bifidus that we can read, and we will.

> Marilyn is not depriving anyone of information when she maintains that

> bifidus is not part of the SDC protocol. Anyone is free to consume bifidus,

> or anything else for that matter. The only request is that whoever chooses

> to do so should not claim that they are following SCD or state that SCD does

> not work. This allows the rest of us to make decisions about SCD with

> accurate information.

>

> I for one, am very grateful for Marilyn's advice.

>

> PJ

>

>

>>

>> Donna,

>>

>> I totally understand that your motives are pure and that you wish, like

>> the rest of us, to further the SCD cause to help as many people as

>> possible.

>>

>> However, I feel that you are becoming aggressive towards other members in

>> your opinions and aims. " In my opinion your opinion doesn't mean that

>> much these days anyway. " and " So stop interfering and bring something

>> useful to the table. " are highly inflammatory statements that are

>> deliberately hurtful and completely unnecessary. They hurt your cause.

>>

>> In addition, " Therefore for if you are contradicting the global scientific

>> current

>> evidence, then this may be considered to be irresponsible advice " and

>> " http://www.mamaherb.com/acidophilus-with-bifidus " still does not present

>> scientific evidence, merely more opinion. So far I have yet see you cite

>> any SCD related scientific studies to defend your opinions, granted

>> though, I seldom continue reading your posts when you become anti-social

>> in your statement, so I may have missed something. Maybe starting a new

>> group for this debate would be helpful, that way only those wishing to

>> improve SCD could carry on without interference from those of us merely

>> wishing to use SCD to better our health.

>>

>> You risk losing the respect of several people in this community with this

>> behavior. " So we will continue to have our informed decision debates. "

>> is a very good idea, so let us debate and not attack, please.

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>> Amelia

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ----- Forwarded Message ----

>> From: adamsdonna26 no_reply >

>> To: SCDUK

>> Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 11:36:44 AM

>> Subject: [sCDUK] Re: No More Bifidus!

>>

>>

>> Maraliyn

>>

>> This is my opinion -

>>

>> Elaines recommendation was based on her opinion, from the way she

>> interpreted the slowly evolving evidence that was available at that time,

>> which was many years ago. Probiotic management and understanding has

>> vastly moved on since then.

>>

>> As I understand it from just starting at the beginning of my probiotic

>> journey, one of my concerns is that bifidus is the primary bacteria in the

>> gut, and the diet is designed from the way I interpret the SCD hypothesis

>> to destroy it, and that the only allowed probiotic we are advised to

>> consume on the diet is Acidophilus, which is not able to repopulate the

>> primary bifidus area of the gut of which the diet destroys amongst things.

>>

>>

>> Use the following of many links to clarify the important role of both of

>> these probiotics in our modern times, and tell me why we should destroy

>> our precious primary bifidus supply in the large intestine by using the

>> diet, and only consume the allowed acidophilus probiotic which cannot

>> repopulate that area.

>>

>> http://www.mamaherb.com/acidophilus-with-bifidus

>>

>> Therefore for if you are contradicting the global scientific current

>> evidence, then this may be considered to be irresponsible advice and could

>> be damaging to peoples health. Are you from a dietary qualified background

>> connected to the current research in probiotic management, if so do

>> something useful and bring them here, so we can continue our understanding

>> of how best to protect ourselves in these modern times. You are bringing

>> cases to us from humble moms and not from current medical studies. In my

>> opinion your opinion doesn't mean that much these days anyway.

>>

>> No one here is saying another should go out and consume bifidus or any

>> other strain, what people are talking about is providing current evidence

>> and information, so that we can make an informed decision, as we have no

>> access to official qualified SCD spokespersons qualified in these areas,

>> and we are therefore left to battle our way through outdated research.

>> There is now also evidence that just consuming one strain of probitoic is

>> also an issue that needs to be considered. So we will continue to have our

>> informed decision debates.

>>

>> We are trying to have constructive debates in here based on medical

>> studies and factual and verifiable evidence. So stop interfering and bring

>> something useful to the table.

>>

>> Donna

>>

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