Guest guest Posted June 15, 2001 Report Share Posted June 15, 2001 I think Dr. ought to get together with Dr. Rutledge of MGB fame (his WLS procedure causes cancer and has other horrible side effects) for romantic reasons. They are spiritual bedfellows, to be sure. Who says being fat and needing WLS ain't fun? Dear Dr. , Thank you so much for finally getting around to answering my inquiry. It was very enlightening. My worst fears were confirmed by it. It deserves brief commentary, in that a number of misconceptions are contained in it. Re: BPD/DS: Impatient Patient With Attitude: IPWI " Mr Planz, I treat all of my patients the same, celebrities or not. No one, not even the highly educated, extremely motivated DS patient, gets special treatment. " Really? That's hard believe. So you would give the president of the United States or one of your colleagues the benefit of your expertise if he did not wish to go through all the hoops? The psychology tests, the retests, the follow-up tests, the boring and expensive interview with the dietitian, and so on. This sort of adamantine conviction on your part deserves recognition. Still, it does sound a trifle over-the-edge... In my email below, I mentioned Procrustes. Perhaps he was a relative of yours. Procrustes was a thief and a murderer who would capture travelers and tie them in an iron bed. If they were longer than the bed, he would hack off their limbs until they fit. If too short, he would stretch them. He, too, knew the meaning of " sticking to one's guns. " As far as I can uncover, however, he is not the model for surgical care in today's land of the free. It is asking a lot to be special, and I want you to know that even if you do not consider me or my kind special, just fat, I consider you so. indeed, I hope all your colleagues around the land aren't like you. " Each surgeon has the right to design his or her program how they want and also has the right to accept or refuse to take on a patient in an elective situation. " Yes. The patient in such a situation must never accommodated in any way. This is known in medicological circles as 'the modern surgeon's imperative'. Still, it's good that I did not have a surgeon like you when I had my heart surgery, for I would never have passed the mental tests in spite of being highly motivated and of above-average intelligence. Moreover, you can and do refuse to do laparoscopic surgeries for reasons that are outside of ASBS guidelines, as you diddle with psychological tests and waste your patient's time with dietitians that are unfamiliar with the procedures you do (I mention these things because other patients have mentioned them). This kind of privacy-invading medicine, it occurs to me, skirts very close to malpractice, as you play goddess with your prospective patients who are, in many instances, begging for your help and approval. This situation reminds me of that story about a new arrival in Heaven who is talking to Saint as this balding, middle-aged guy drives up in a brand new dark-blue Mercedes. He is going too fast. He stops at Heaven's gate, almost running into it, and repeatedly honks and makes a big to-do about the gate not opening promptly enough. Finally, the gate opens, and he guns the Mercedes, and heads past it on into Heaven. " Who's that?' " the new arrival queries. He must be somebody really important. " Saint answers, " That's just God. " Then he makes a sign indicating that the Creator is not quite all there with his index finger pointed toward his head. Then he explains, " He thinks he's a surgeon this week! " Maybe God was thinking of you, Dr. , and your perspective on your patients when he took on that surgeon persona. " I am not aware of any other type of surgery where the patient comes into the office demanding surgery, or worse yet, via email. " Is your office being invaded by patients demanding surgery? If so, I suggest that you hire a guard to keep them out. I have no intent to invade your office. This is unequivocal on my part. Still, Dr. Pattersnon, you imply that I am " demanding surgery " from you. I did not demand anything from you, ma'am. You misread the tone: It is not strident or angry. You see, in my world demanding is demanding and asking is asking, and the two diverge and are based upon different mental states. There is neither urgency or peremptory in my asking in the email query below. Therefore, it does not qualify as demanding. I laid down a set of facts, and then ask you a few questions. You said, no, in so many, many ways. I guess, from your superior perspective, asking a few questions via email is tantamount to demanding something. With your attitude, it's hard for me to imagine a poor patient demanding anything from you. I think, in fact, that you have it backwards, surgeons command and demand, patients ask and acquiesce. I am sure that you don't have any truly demanding patients for long. This, in truth, is an instance of what psychologists and psychiatrists call " projection, " for the demanding is all on your side. Admit it: One has to be a little on the mental side to resort to projection from a droll and mildly entertaining email inquiry such as below. Why would someone want to contact you by email and ask a few questions? Because all that one gets when one calls your offices are answering machines and one has to leave messages and then one gets forms and then one fills out the forms. This, in case you don't know, is not the way most medicine is carried out in this country. Well, I was a possible consumer who may have a question or two for a real human being before I walk the uncertain plank of your lengthy and hidden program which is four hours away by vehicle. In truth, you manage the relationship only on your terms and those terms are way out of the norm. Only those, Dr. , who are willing to put up with anything will subject themselves to your program. " As I am sure you are aware, I do require psychological evaluation. " Yes, even when the patient has already had a psych workup, you would not be satisfied. You have already indicated that you make no exceptions. You reinvent the wheel with every patient. There is only one way to do things: Emma's Way. You can't be too careful---a neurotic might slip through your clutches and get skinny. In the old days, surgeons just did surgeries; they did not have to act as gatekeeper and jury, there to make sure the patient deserves to get the operation. One wonders if you are not doing psych research and having the patient's insurance company pay for your data. " If you are interested in our program, then please call and leave your name and addresss on the bariatric extension. " I am now not interested in your program. I could never pass the psychological evaluation. Nor am I that stupid. You see, I consider myself a consumer of surgical services, as well as a patient. I do not want to be a pawn in your surgical chess game. I have a right to ask to be treated like a human being and not a pawn. A few prospective patients can say no with their feet. That you accommodate no one for any reason, including scheduling, makes you someone that needs to see a shrink to shrink one enormous EGO. ----lcp " Sincerely, Emma J. , MD " BPD/DS: Impatient Patient With Attitude: IPWI " Dear Dr. : I have gone through a complete physical and psych workup for the obesity surgery with my personal physician and psychiatrist. This included chest X-ray, EKG, and blood workup. My internist is enthusiastic about the surgery and has had several patients with open RNYs. I had an-hour-long interview with the psychiatrist. He okayed me for the surgery. I have done a lot of research on these surgeries and believe that you are competent to do a lap BPD/DS, which is the preferred surgery from my perspective, though you are not as experienced as some. I figure that by the time a surgeon has done about 10 of these procedures, he or she ought to be pretty adept at it. You have exceeded this number, I'm sure. I have not heard anything really bad about you on yahoo in the DS group. I also feel that your professional interest in baryatrics is a good thing. I weigh a little over 300lbs and have a BMI of about 42. My surgery will be covered by Medicare-Medicaid, Oregon Version, so there is no problem with preapproval because Medicare covers obesity surgery and the OMAP program that I have covers all Medicare approved surgeries, picking up what Medicare Parts A&B doesn't completely cover. I am not a death's door. I present no extraordinary problems, except a little post-CABG scarring at the base of the sternum from 15 years ago. In short, I am a good candidate, physically speaking. I am, alas, of slightly above-average intelligence. My analytic skills are superior. I am aware that I must have tiny meals for the first six weeks after surgery, go light on the fats, drink or eat lots of protein, and eschew sweets. Four ounces is a half a cup of water. This is not a very large amount. After that period of time, the danger of blowing open my stomach is less. My tiny stomach will inflate to some degree in size over the next year. Hopefully, I will be back to a decent weight by that time. Still, I will never be able to eat like I do now. It is imperative that I have this lap surgery for weight and health reasons. Perhaps being a quick study is part of the reason that I am not interested in being part of any 'program'. I do not need to consult a dietitian and find psychology tests to be irrelevant in the context of having gained the approval of my internist and a psychiatrist. Indeed, I am a student of the use of these written indicators, and consider them overrated and unreliable predictors of ultimate patient compliance. As a way to sort out candidates for a procedure, the use of the MMPI, for example, is highly questionable and probably a violation of the ADA. I manifest no obvious psychoses, so I qualify under both the NHI and ASBS guidelines, mentally speaking. Is it, first, possible to get this surgery from you and your clinic in a timely manner? Or do you or they insist, like Procrustes, that all of your non-celebrity patients be program patients and go through a rigmarole that the two SF physicians, who've done over 200 such surgeries, that I have contacted don't? Are you restrained by conviction or the system to only drawn-out program business? Or do you, in short, want my quick-and-lean business as the ASBS guidelines okay? What's so wrong with quick-and-lean when appropriate? What I would like to know, secondly, Dr. , assuming a qualified yes to my first set of questions, is this. Since I have to travel Portland from sport, OR, which is quite a lengthy trip, is it possible to have the office visit and the surgery in close temporal proximity? Or will I have to make a couple of trips to the area? I have relatives in the McMinnville area, so I can stay overnight with them. In short, how can I arrange a lap BPD/DS from you in a most efficient way? Thank you, Dr. , for your prompt and helpful response to both concerns. All my best, curmudgeonly yours, lcp " __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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