Please take religious discussions off list

[Guest guest]

Or AT LEAST put something in the subject line that says that's what your

post is all about. Theresa posted last week asking that religious

discussions be taken off list if some may remember. Personally I don't

mind if a discussion stays on list but I can't relate " here's something for

ya " to " I'm going to talk about god throughout this whole post " so please -

mark your posts " Religious " if that's what you're going to talk about.

As far as who is healing our clubfoot babies... it's the casting, the

brace, the parents and the doctors. These feet don't heal or correct on

their own and no amount of prayer or any god can fix them either. But YOU,

your Doctor and our wonderful Dr. Ponseti can. If you're going to shout

praises for much of anything here let's shout praises for Dr. Ponseti

because without him all of us, and I mean ALL of us would have our children

in surgery.

Kori

(the preacher's kid... )

[Guest guest]

Kori, that was very well put, thank you. Dont get me wrong I do

believe in god and I do thank him for giving people like Dr. Ponseti

the gift that he has to correct our little ones feet!

and

BL CF 12/16/03

(1 day left for cast!!)

> Or AT LEAST put something in the subject line that says that's

what your

> post is all about. Theresa posted last week asking that religious

> discussions be taken off list if some may remember. Personally I

don't

> mind if a discussion stays on list but I can't relate " here's

something for

> ya " to " I'm going to talk about god throughout this whole post " so

please -

> mark your posts " Religious " if that's what you're going to talk

about.

>

> As far as who is healing our clubfoot babies... it's the casting,

the

> brace, the parents and the doctors. These feet don't heal or

correct on

> their own and no amount of prayer or any god can fix them either.

But YOU,

> your Doctor and our wonderful Dr. Ponseti can. If you're going to

shout

> praises for much of anything here let's shout praises for Dr.

Ponseti

> because without him all of us, and I mean ALL of us would have our

children

> in surgery.

>

> Kori

> (the preacher's kid... )

[Guest guest]

OHH I really wanted to say all that but didn't dare

Rach

-- Please take religious discussions off list

Or AT LEAST put something in the subject line that says that's what your

post is all about. Theresa posted last week asking that religious

discussions be taken off list if some may remember. Personally I don't

mind if a discussion stays on list but I can't relate " here's something for

ya " to " I'm going to talk about god throughout this whole post " so please -

mark your posts " Religious " if that's what you're going to talk about.

As far as who is healing our clubfoot babies... it's the casting, the

brace, the parents and the doctors. These feet don't heal or correct on

their own and no amount of prayer or any god can fix them either. But YOU,

your Doctor and our wonderful Dr. Ponseti can. If you're going to shout

praises for much of anything here let's shout praises for Dr. Ponseti

because without him all of us, and I mean ALL of us would have our children

in surgery.

Kori

(the preacher's kid... )

[Guest guest]

Well, excuse me... I won't post anymore ...

Re: Please take religious discussions off list

Kori, that was very well put, thank you. Dont get me wrong I do

believe in god and I do thank him for giving people like Dr. Ponseti

the gift that he has to correct our little ones feet!

and

BL CF 12/16/03

(1 day left for cast!!)

> Or AT LEAST put something in the subject line that says that's

what your

> post is all about. Theresa posted last week asking that religious

> discussions be taken off list if some may remember. Personally I

don't

> mind if a discussion stays on list but I can't relate " here's

something for

> ya " to " I'm going to talk about god throughout this whole post " so

please -

> mark your posts " Religious " if that's what you're going to talk

about.

>

> As far as who is healing our clubfoot babies... it's the casting,

the

> brace, the parents and the doctors. These feet don't heal or

correct on

> their own and no amount of prayer or any god can fix them either.

But YOU,

> your Doctor and our wonderful Dr. Ponseti can. If you're going to

shout

> praises for much of anything here let's shout praises for Dr.

Ponseti

> because without him all of us, and I mean ALL of us would have our

children

> in surgery.

>

> Kori

> (the preacher's kid... )

[Guest guest]

Thank you for sending that one!

DM

Rach rach@...> wrote:

OHH I really wanted to say all that but didn't dare

Rach

-- Please take religious discussions off list

Or AT LEAST put something in the subject line that says that's what your

post is all about. Theresa posted last week asking that religious

discussions be taken off list if some may remember. Personally I don't

mind if a discussion stays on list but I can't relate " here's something for

ya " to " I'm going to talk about god throughout this whole post " so please -

mark your posts " Religious " if that's what you're going to talk about.

As far as who is healing our clubfoot babies... it's the casting, the

brace, the parents and the doctors. These feet don't heal or correct on

their own and no amount of prayer or any god can fix them either. But YOU,

your Doctor and our wonderful Dr. Ponseti can. If you're going to shout

praises for much of anything here let's shout praises for Dr. Ponseti

because without him all of us, and I mean ALL of us would have our children

in surgery.

Kori

(the preacher's kid... )

[Guest guest]

I didn't mean to offend all the people who don't believe in miracles nor did I

think it would cause a problem. I had seen many post about God previously. AND

Kori, I am a Preacher's Kid too and feel that I can talk about whatever I want.

So, I will leave this group. Evidently it's not what I thought it was. I thought

it was a place where we could come and be encouraged and talk about whatever we

wanted. To make friends with other moms out there who had the same issues as me.

I only said that I believe in miracles and wanted to know others inputs. I

Didn't know that it would offend. Furthermore, if it did I would assume that

others would simply not reply or overlook that post. I didn't know I had to

" classify " myself in a free forum of OH NO, she's talking about God so we don't

wanna look at that.

Regardless, GOD Bless you all.

Please take religious discussions off list

Or AT LEAST put something in the subject line that says that's what your

post is all about. Theresa posted last week asking that religious

discussions be taken off list if some may remember. Personally I don't

mind if a discussion stays on list but I can't relate " here's something for

ya " to " I'm going to talk about god throughout this whole post " so please -

mark your posts " Religious " if that's what you're going to talk about.

As far as who is healing our clubfoot babies... it's the casting, the

brace, the parents and the doctors. These feet don't heal or correct on

their own and no amount of prayer or any god can fix them either. But YOU,

your Doctor and our wonderful Dr. Ponseti can. If you're going to shout

praises for much of anything here let's shout praises for Dr. Ponseti

because without him all of us, and I mean ALL of us would have our children

in surgery.

Kori

(the preacher's kid... )

[Guest guest]

,

The list owner asked these posts be taken off list last week. All I really

needed was to be told it was a religious post in the subject line so I

could look over it if I wanted. This is a free world, and a free

list. And those who aren't interested in going on and on about religion or

reading such posts should be able to say we don't want to see it and please

make the subject lines appropriate. Just about ALL public forums like this

one have these kinds of rules, if you've been online long enough you know

people who talk religion all the time need their own lists to do so on

because the world is not only Christians and our list is open to anyone of

any nationality.

Sorry you got offended but it was asked that this not be on the list and it

just came up again like the list owner's request meant absolutely

nothing. We aren't interested in having anyone leave, just keep your

religious stuff to yourself or you religious lists or AT LEAST make the

subject line appropriate. If you want people to overlook your post don't

leave a subject line that says nothing about what the post is

about. That's all anyone is asking. Not that you leave.

Kori

At 08:30 AM 1/14/2005, you wrote:

>I didn't mean to offend all the people who don't believe in miracles nor

>did I think it would cause a problem. I had seen many post about God

>previously. AND Kori, I am a Preacher's Kid too and feel that I can talk

>about whatever I want. So, I will leave this group. Evidently it's not

>what I thought it was. I thought it was a place where we could come and be

>encouraged and talk about whatever we wanted. To make friends with other

>moms out there who had the same issues as me. I only said that I believe

>in miracles and wanted to know others inputs. I Didn't know that it would

>offend. Furthermore, if it did I would assume that others would simply not

>reply or overlook that post. I didn't know I had to " classify " myself in a

>free forum of OH NO, she's talking about God so we don't wanna look at that.

>

>Regardless, GOD Bless you all.

> Please take religious discussions off list

>

> Or AT LEAST put something in the subject line that says that's what your

> post is all about. Theresa posted last week asking that religious

> discussions be taken off list if some may remember. Personally I don't

> mind if a discussion stays on list but I can't relate " here's something for

> ya " to " I'm going to talk about god throughout this whole post " so please -

> mark your posts " Religious " if that's what you're going to talk about.

>

> As far as who is healing our clubfoot babies... it's the casting, the

> brace, the parents and the doctors. These feet don't heal or correct on

> their own and no amount of prayer or any god can fix them either. But YOU,

> your Doctor and our wonderful Dr. Ponseti can. If you're going to shout

> praises for much of anything here let's shout praises for Dr. Ponseti

> because without him all of us, and I mean ALL of us would have our children

> in surgery.

>

> Kori

> (the preacher's kid... )

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well i did not mean to offend anyone and I guess I did. Although

that was not my intention I still agree with Kori and the others.

> > Or AT LEAST put something in the subject line that says that's

> what your

> > post is all about. Theresa posted last week asking that

religious

> > discussions be taken off list if some may remember.

Personally I

> don't

> > mind if a discussion stays on list but I can't relate " here's

> something for

> > ya " to " I'm going to talk about god throughout this whole

post " so

> please -

> > mark your posts " Religious " if that's what you're going to

talk

> about.

> >

> > As far as who is healing our clubfoot babies... it's the

casting,

> the

> > brace, the parents and the doctors. These feet don't heal or

> correct on

> > their own and no amount of prayer or any god can fix them

either.

> But YOU,

> > your Doctor and our wonderful Dr. Ponseti can. If you're

going to

> shout

> > praises for much of anything here let's shout praises for Dr.

> Ponseti

> > because without him all of us, and I mean ALL of us would have

our

> children

> > in surgery.

> >

> > Kori

> > (the preacher's kid... )

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I would really hate to see you leave over this, especially when

feelings are hurt we are encouraged to forgive and let go.

Your post was exactly what I needed this morning, you were excited and

wanted to share and it grabbed me out of that pit of worry that I find

slippery once in awhile and I needed that support. So I thank you.

I really would hate to lose you on this group.

Lord bless you,

> > Or AT LEAST put something in the subject line that says that's

> what your

> > post is all about. Theresa posted last week asking that religious

> > discussions be taken off list if some may remember. Personally I

> don't

> > mind if a discussion stays on list but I can't relate " here's

> something for

> > ya " to " I'm going to talk about god throughout this whole post " so

> please -

> > mark your posts " Religious " if that's what you're going to talk

> about.

> >

> > As far as who is healing our clubfoot babies... it's the casting,

> the

> > brace, the parents and the doctors. These feet don't heal or

> correct on

> > their own and no amount of prayer or any god can fix them either.

> But YOU,

> > your Doctor and our wonderful Dr. Ponseti can. If you're going to

> shout

> > praises for much of anything here let's shout praises for Dr.

> Ponseti

> > because without him all of us, and I mean ALL of us would have our

> children

> > in surgery.

> >

> > Kori

> > (the preacher's kid... )

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

ditto

Please take religious discussions off list

Or AT LEAST put something in the subject line that says that's what your

post is all about. Theresa posted last week asking that religious

discussions be taken off list if some may remember. Personally I don't

mind if a discussion stays on list but I can't relate " here's something for

ya " to " I'm going to talk about god throughout this whole post " so please -

mark your posts " Religious " if that's what you're going to talk about.

As far as who is healing our clubfoot babies... it's the casting, the

brace, the parents and the doctors. These feet don't heal or correct on

their own and no amount of prayer or any god can fix them either. But YOU,

your Doctor and our wonderful Dr. Ponseti can. If you're going to shout

praises for much of anything here let's shout praises for Dr. Ponseti

because without him all of us, and I mean ALL of us would have our children

in surgery.

Kori

(the preacher's kid... )

[Guest guest]

Sorry Kori. Won't happen again.

s.

[Guest guest]

, please don't leave the group. Let's not cut off our nose to spite our

face. I really encourage and invite you to stay - it truely is a wonderful

place to find hope, encouragement, advice, to vent, to share joy......as it

relates to our cf babies.

But with all that said, while we may mention God on occastion in a post related

to our cf children, (Thank God......Keep your faith in God.....God has blessed

us, etc.) this is not a " Free Forum " , it's a club foot forum. Your post did

not offend me, in fact I replied to it - but yes I can see it offending others,

for various personal reasons. I can respect that and I apolgize to those we

did offend, truely.

Another risk is this - should a new parent come to this group seeking answers

and opens up to find countless messages related to a hundred things besided club

foot, they will likely not take the group serious, they may leave to find a

group that " talks about club foot " and sadly, that group most likely won't be

non-surgical & Dr. Ponseti. They may not have the time or temperment in

their situation to weed through the non-cf topics to find the cf topic/help they

need desperately at that given moment.

In short: We have a responsibility to those parents and children to be what

they need when they need it as it relates to the treatment of their cf babies.

True, we've discussed breast feeding a lot - but in regards to how we can manage

to nurse a baby with the DBB on, for example. Recently toilet training was a

topic - but again, it was directly related to how to travel three days to the

doctor for a cf appointment when the baby is only partially trained or in the

training phase. We've discussed beds and sleeping arangments - but they all

circle back around to making a cf baby comfortable and safe while wearing casts

or a DBB. A while back we got in to a discussion about breast size and a

particular TV show and that was inappropriate for this group yet it seemed to

offer at that particular moment some much needed comic relief for a little

while. Technically, we were bad ugly dogs for doing that - but by the same

token, hey - it happened and we'll do better next time, eh?

I am guilty of the very thing others here just complained about - getting off

topic - and to all of them, I do apologize and respect your concerns and

opinions. This site is dedicated to the treatment of cf via the Ponseti Method.

Being friends is great, and it's wonderful we feel like friends, so as a friend,

I ask you to stay around for the good you can do others and the good some may do

for you in regards to cf.

Most Sincerely,

ee

Please take religious discussions off list

Or AT LEAST put something in the subject line that says that's what your

post is all about. Theresa posted last week asking that religious

discussions be taken off list if some may remember. Personally I don't

mind if a discussion stays on list but I can't relate " here's something for

ya " to " I'm going to talk about god throughout this whole post " so please -

mark your posts " Religious " if that's what you're going to talk about.

As far as who is healing our clubfoot babies... it's the casting, the

brace, the parents and the doctors. These feet don't heal or correct on

their own and no amount of prayer or any god can fix them either. But YOU,

your Doctor and our wonderful Dr. Ponseti can. If you're going to shout

praises for much of anything here let's shout praises for Dr. Ponseti

because without him all of us, and I mean ALL of us would have our children

in surgery.

Kori

(the preacher's kid... )

[Guest guest]

Very nicely said.

Shook

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Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc.

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Vienna, VA 22182

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[Guest guest]

Sorry to be a day late.

I just want to say that I enjoy the off topic conversations on this board.

Sometimes it is enjoyable to hear people talking about other things. Sometimes

I skim through them after reading the first few posts. Sometimes it takes the

first few posts to know what the conversation is about. I think that a few

off topic discussions are a good thing...especially to a new clubfoot parent.

It helps to cheer us up and relax our mind, especially when things aren't going

the best with our children's feet. It helps us to get to know each other.

There have been more off topic posts over the last few months, but also more new

members too. If people only email off topic things to each other off board,

then people may not realize how much they have in common other than clubfoot

babies. It helps to build trust and community here, those things are no less

important than the discussion of our children. Just like pictures, we don't

always send pictures to show the feet, lots of time we send them just to show

off. Nothing wrong with that ;-)

God, Allah or whatever diety someone wanted to discuss, I would be

respectful. No one is trying to convert or knock anyone or preach any one thing

here.

If someone doesn't like it then don't read it. That IS freedom. Anything

more than borderlines censorship, IMO.

Also, in the future, it might be helpful to email the offending person via

their private email. I felt like the person who first brought up religion was

being called out and can completely see why she became defensive. How

humiliating it must be to be told " to take it elsewhere, " in front of

everyone...

Just my opinion.

Freeman

P.S. While it is in the subject list, I am a Christian and I thank God for

giving Dr. Ponseti such a wonderful gift and for giving me such a beautiful

little girl on a daily basis.

[Guest guest]

Ditto. Could not have relayed my feelings better myself.

Pam

> Sorry to be a day late.

> I just want to say that I enjoy the off topic conversations on this

board.

> Sometimes it is enjoyable to hear people talking about other

things. Sometimes

> I skim through them after reading the first few posts. Sometimes it

takes the

> first few posts to know what the conversation is about. I think

that a few

> off topic discussions are a good thing...especially to a new

clubfoot parent.

> It helps to cheer us up and relax our mind, especially when things

aren't going

> the best with our children's feet. It helps us to get to know each

other.

> There have been more off topic posts over the last few months, but

also more new

> members too. If people only email off topic things to each other

off board,

> then people may not realize how much they have in common other than

clubfoot

> babies. It helps to build trust and community here, those things

are no less

> important than the discussion of our children. Just like pictures,

we don't

> always send pictures to show the feet, lots of time we send them

just to show

> off. Nothing wrong with that ;-)

>

> God, Allah or whatever diety someone wanted to discuss, I would be

> respectful. No one is trying to convert or knock anyone or preach

any one thing here.

> If someone doesn't like it then don't read it. That IS freedom.

Anything

> more than borderlines censorship, IMO.

>

> Also, in the future, it might be helpful to email the offending

person via

> their private email. I felt like the person who first brought up

religion was

> being called out and can completely see why she became defensive.

How

> humiliating it must be to be told " to take it elsewhere, " in front

of everyone...

>

> Just my opinion.

> Freeman

>

> P.S. While it is in the subject list, I am a Christian and I thank

God for

> giving Dr. Ponseti such a wonderful gift and for giving me such a

beautiful

> little girl on a daily basis.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agreee. Good to hear too!

> > Sorry to be a day late.

> > I just want to say that I enjoy the off topic conversations on this

> board.

> > Sometimes it is enjoyable to hear people talking about other

> things. Sometimes

> > I skim through them after reading the first few posts. Sometimes it

> takes the

> > first few posts to know what the conversation is about. I think

> that a few

> > off topic discussions are a good thing...especially to a new

> clubfoot parent.

> > It helps to cheer us up and relax our mind, especially when things

> aren't going

> > the best with our children's feet. It helps us to get to know each

> other.

> > There have been more off topic posts over the last few months, but

> also more new

> > members too. If people only email off topic things to each other

> off board,

> > then people may not realize how much they have in common other than

> clubfoot

> > babies. It helps to build trust and community here, those things

> are no less

> > important than the discussion of our children. Just like pictures,

> we don't

> > always send pictures to show the feet, lots of time we send them

> just to show

> > off. Nothing wrong with that ;-)

> >

> > God, Allah or whatever diety someone wanted to discuss, I would be

> > respectful. No one is trying to convert or knock anyone or preach

> any one thing here.

> > If someone doesn't like it then don't read it. That IS freedom.

> Anything

> > more than borderlines censorship, IMO.

> >

> > Also, in the future, it might be helpful to email the offending

> person via

> > their private email. I felt like the person who first brought up

> religion was

> > being called out and can completely see why she became defensive.

> How

> > humiliating it must be to be told " to take it elsewhere, " in front

> of everyone...

> >

> > Just my opinion.

> > Freeman

> >

> > P.S. While it is in the subject list, I am a Christian and I thank

> God for

> > giving Dr. Ponseti such a wonderful gift and for giving me such a

> beautiful

> > little girl on a daily basis.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Since I'm the one who started this I apologize to the list. I shouldn't

have left the subject line as it is because as I said in the original post

because that's not what I really wanted. (that posts be totally gone from

here) I don't particularly care if the off topic discussions stay on list

however I do want to be able to tell what a thread is about before I decide

whether or not to read it. These posts came through very Christian (as

opposed to general spirituality) with a few responses the same and since

there had been a very recent admin post asking that the discussions be

taken off list I decided to post to the list itself for everyone to

see. It just seemed that the admin. post was completely disregarded and

that frustrated me. I assumed that since had asked the discussions

be taken off list that we were to abide by that request. It felt to me

like the whole list needed a reminder that when a moderator asks the list

for something that we should at least try to follow that request. I was

not one of the people who emailed her about this in the first place

although I do agree it should be kept to a minimum as all off topic posts

should on a specialty list like this. I am not usually a big complainer

and I don't like censorship. I only really care that the subject lines are

appropriate for the post so I know what I'm about to read. I skipped a lot

of the most recent OT posts because I didn't have time then to stray with

this list. However the big boob one sounded interesting and I may still go

back and peruse the posts someday. And I will be able to find it easily

because the subject line is pretty clear.

Which of course brings me around to the fact that I messed up big time

initially because this subject line *wasn't* really appropriate for my

original post at all was it? My mistake and I apologize.

No offense meant toward anyone who wants to express any kind of

spirituality. Really very sorry I wasn't more clear. I haven't been able

to get online enough to type this till now, had a very busy weekend here

and I posted and ran on Friday and just really got back.

Hugs to everyone :~}

Kori

(debated big time whether or not to change the subject line here or not lol)