Guest guest Posted March 24, 2001 Report Share Posted March 24, 2001 Hi, I've just finished reading Seroussi's book and then read the intro to Bette Hagman's Gluten Free Gourmet and in it she talks about the way celiac disease presents itself and how it is frequently linked with lactose intolerance. And it got me thinking did 's son really have autism or was he just severely lactose intolerant and a celiac as well? It would certainly explain why he was so quickly and completely cured. I wonder if many children diagnosed with autism really have celiac and it just comes out looking like autism? Particularly those that develop typically and then regress? Maybe the vaccines trigger the start of celiac disease? Bette talks about adults with celiac that were triggered by severe stress like childbirth, operations, etc. It always puzzles me when I read about parents that have cured their child's autism through unusual ways, because when I look at my son I really don't believe he can be cured " biologically " . Not that I won't try all the stuff that talks about in her book, since if anything helps even a little bit it would be terrific. My son was born autistic - had no regression, no reactions to vaccines (he did not receive his 1st vaccine until 3 mo. old and was already obviously autistic), no bouts with antibiotics, no family history of auto-immune disease... My son is not mentally retarded but still profoundly impacted by his autism. It is so frustrating knowing what a bright little soul shines in him and yet no matter what I try I can't seem to find a way to let him out....And yes we are on week number three of the diet and no noticeable improvement. We will keep chugging along on it and see what happens. Forgive my ramblings and I don't mean to hurt feelings or belittle all of 's hard work but I am frustrated and feel I am racing against the clock to make a positive change in my son's autism... Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2001 Report Share Posted March 24, 2001 Donna, My was born autistic as well. At the age of 2 she was totally non-functioning- today at age 7 she has recovered just as 's son did. To me it is like a recovered alcoholic or drug addict though- when she has a slip, i.e.. food infringement we see a total regression, without one she is as normal as any other 7 year old. I attribute 99% of her recovery to biological means. Just wanted to offer some hope. Feel free to email me privately if you want renee1dat@.... autism or celiac disease? > Hi, > I've just finished reading Seroussi's book and then read the intro to Bette Hagman's Gluten Free Gourmet and in it she talks about the way celiac disease presents itself and how it is frequently linked with lactose intolerance. And it got me thinking did 's son really have autism or was he just severely lactose intolerant and a celiac as well? It would certainly explain why he was so quickly and completely cured. I wonder if many children diagnosed with autism really have celiac and it just comes out looking like autism? Particularly those that develop typically and then regress? Maybe the vaccines trigger the start of celiac disease? Bette talks about adults with celiac that were triggered by severe stress like childbirth, operations, etc. > It always puzzles me when I read about parents that have cured their child's autism through unusual ways, because when I look at my son I really don't believe he can be cured " biologically " . Not that I won't try all the stuff that talks about in her book, since if anything helps even a little bit it would be terrific. > My son was born autistic - had no regression, no reactions to vaccines (he did not receive his 1st vaccine until 3 mo. old and was already obviously autistic), no bouts with antibiotics, no family history of auto-immune disease... > My son is not mentally retarded but still profoundly impacted by his autism. It is so frustrating knowing what a bright little soul shines in him and yet no matter what I try I can't seem to find a way to let him out....And yes we are on week number three of the diet and no noticeable improvement. We will keep chugging along on it and see what happens. > Forgive my ramblings and I don't mean to hurt feelings or belittle all of 's hard work but I am frustrated and feel I am racing against the clock to make a positive change in my son's autism... > Donna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2001 Report Share Posted March 24, 2001 Donna, in 's book she does state that not all the children are alike. And it seems that the child must be caught before 3 years of age for complete recovery and even then there is no guarantee. You are yet not that far into the diet yet. For some it does take longer than others and some do not show the response that others do. Use the diet but pursue the other options out there. If your child does not have the MR label, I congratulate you. Mine does and the diet is helping him. His regular vaccinations started at 3 months also but he was given a hepatitis vaccine at 14 days. Did your child get one in the hospital? Some children did. Evan also seemed to have his autism from the beginning yet he was more 'with' us before 18 months. He is more 'with' us again since the diet. We all ramble and we all question. If had not asked a lot of questions her son would not be recovered. I doubt she would take offense even though I do not personally know her. It was because of her that I am doing the diet for Evan. I will not have a recovered child like hers but I will have one that has his chance of coping with the world much improved. Betty from Central California grandmother and guardian to , 9 yo, ADHD/depression/asthma, possible RAD or bipolar Evan, 7 yo, nonverbal autism , 4 yo, ADHD/OD, possible RAD or bipolar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2001 Report Share Posted March 25, 2001 In a message dated 3/24/01 10:48:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, dsj820@... writes: << My son is not mentally retarded but still profoundly impacted by his autism. It is so frustrating knowing what a bright little soul shines in him and yet no matter what I try I can't seem to find a way to let him out....And yes we are on week number three of the diet and no noticeable improvement. We will keep chugging along on it and see what happens. Forgive my ramblings and I don't mean to hurt feelings or belittle all of 's hard work but I am frustrated and feel I am racing against the clock to make a positive change in my son's autism... Donna >> Have you done any research on Chelation yet? When I went to see Dr. Holmes there was another couple in the waiting room with their 8 year old ASD son. They said when they started chelation their son couldn't even walk. This boy was running around the waiting room. Have you also tested for yeast, etc. When we started an anti-fungal 2 weeks ago he immediately started responding. The diet does help a lot of people but in most cases ( Seroussi's included), it takes a lot more than just GF/CF. There are so many things that need to be addressed biologically. Remember, she did Nystatin, ABA, and tons of supplements among other things. I think we're all kidding ourselves if we think the diet alone (for most) is the cure. Let me know if I can help in any way with questions or just support. Jo (South Carolina) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2001 Report Share Posted March 25, 2001 In a message dated 3/25/01 12:47:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, dianeritchie@... writes: > Donna, > I can't think how to say this so it doesn't sound harsh, but autism is > diagnosed on the symptoms, so you bet Kayrn Seroussi's son had autism. Was > it caused by gluten and lactose intolerance? Could be, but it was still > autism. There are probably dozens of ways to arrive at these symptoms. So > we > desperately need lots of research into the biological causes, and in the > meantime we have to try everything, every angle, for our kids. I don't mean > to get down on you personally, and you obviously are trying so hard to help > your son, I just keep running into people in my community who will not try > any interventions because they know autism is incurable, and who dismiss > all > recoveries as " not really autism " . So the most important message from > Karyn's book is not GFCF will cure autism, but that " there are no symptoms > without a cause " so please keep trying and keep looking and keep hoping. > Amen to that Diane...I have a friend who's son is dx'd with Aspergers that drinks about a gallon of milk a day...when I suggested the diet she looked me straight in the eye and said, " that woman's son NEVER had autism...he had an allergy...if there was a cure for autism it would be on the news. She is selling false hope. " I almost took her words to heart and I am sure glad that I didn't...my son improves every day and doesn't even carry the ASD label...which I am sure he would have received had I not started the diet when I did. Hang in there Donna...you owe it to your kid and to yourself to try all the reasonable options out there to help your child and your family. Us moms know best. M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2001 Report Share Posted March 25, 2001 Donna, I can't think how to say this so it doesn't sound harsh, but autism is diagnosed on the symptoms, so you bet Kayrn Seroussi's son had autism. Was it caused by gluten and lactose intolerance? Could be, but it was still autism. There are probably dozens of ways to arrive at these symptoms. So we desperately need lots of research into the biological causes, and in the meantime we have to try everything, every angle, for our kids. I don't mean to get down on you personally, and you obviously are trying so hard to help your son, I just keep running into people in my community who will not try any interventions because they know autism is incurable, and who dismiss all recoveries as " not really autism " . So the most important message from Karyn's book is not GFCF will cure autism, but that " there are no symptoms without a cause " so please keep trying and keep looking and keep hoping. Diane in NC > >Reply-To: GFCFKids >To: GFCFKids > >Subject: autism or celiac disease? >Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:45:50 -0500 > >Hi, >I've just finished reading Seroussi's book and then read the intro to >Bette Hagman's Gluten Free Gourmet and in it she talks about the way celiac >disease presents itself and how it is frequently linked with lactose >intolerance. And it got me thinking did 's son really have autism or >was he just severely lactose intolerant and a celiac as well? It would >certainly explain why he was so quickly and completely cured. I wonder if >many children diagnosed with autism really have celiac and it just comes >out looking like autism? Particularly those that develop typically and >then regress? Maybe the vaccines trigger the start of celiac disease? >Bette talks about adults with celiac that were triggered by severe stress >like childbirth, operations, etc. >It always puzzles me when I read about parents that have cured their >child's autism through unusual ways, because when I look at my son I really >don't believe he can be cured " biologically " . Not that I won't try all the >stuff that talks about in her book, since if anything helps even a >little bit it would be terrific. >My son was born autistic - had no regression, no reactions to vaccines (he >did not receive his 1st vaccine until 3 mo. old and was already obviously >autistic), no bouts with antibiotics, no family history of auto-immune >disease... >My son is not mentally retarded but still profoundly impacted by his >autism. It is so frustrating knowing what a bright little soul shines in >him and yet no matter what I try I can't seem to find a way to let him >out....And yes we are on week number three of the diet and no noticeable >improvement. We will keep chugging along on it and see what happens. >Forgive my ramblings and I don't mean to hurt feelings or belittle all of >'s hard work but I am frustrated and feel I am racing against the >clock to make a positive change in my son's autism... >Donna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2001 Report Share Posted March 25, 2001 Also along these lines, I just finished watching a movie on Life time Network starring Meryl Streep called " First, Do No Harm. " It was the TRUE story of a young boy with epilepsy-SEVERE epilepsy who almost died following all of the experimental drugs that were being used on him in the hospital. She was told that there was little to no hope for her son and almost had the state take him away when she started refusing conventional treatment. She then hooked up with an individual who told her about the Ketogenic diet and s Hopkins Hospital who had been using the treatment for years. She risked alot to take him there, and it was successful. At the end of the show, it said her son remained on the diet for 3 years and had NO seizures. He is now successfully off of the diet and leading a normal life. True Story. Just food for thought. Take Care, Wendi D Re: autism or celiac disease? > > > > In a message dated 3/25/01 12:47:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > dianeritchie@... writes: > > > > > > > Donna, > > > I can't think how to say this so it doesn't sound harsh, but autism is > > > diagnosed on the symptoms, so you bet Kayrn Seroussi's son had autism. > Was > > > it caused by gluten and lactose intolerance? Could be, but it was still > > > autism. There are probably dozens of ways to arrive at these symptoms. > So > > > we > > > desperately need lots of research into the biological causes, and in the > > > meantime we have to try everything, every angle, for our kids. I don't > mean > > > to get down on you personally, and you obviously are trying so hard to > help > > > your son, I just keep running into people in my community who will not > try > > > any interventions because they know autism is incurable, and who dismiss > > > all > > > recoveries as " not really autism " . So the most important message from > > > Karyn's book is not GFCF will cure autism, but that " there are no > symptoms > > > without a cause " so please keep trying and keep looking and keep hoping. > > > > > > > Amen to that Diane...I have a friend who's son is dx'd with Aspergers that > > drinks about a gallon of milk a day...when I suggested the diet she looked > me > > straight in the eye and said, " that woman's son NEVER had autism...he had > an > > allergy...if there was a cure for autism it would be on the news. She is > > selling false hope. " > > > > I almost took her words to heart and I am sure glad that I didn't...my son > > improves every day and doesn't even carry the ASD label...which I am sure > he > > would have received had I not started the diet when I did. > > > > Hang in there Donna...you owe it to your kid and to yourself to try all > the > > reasonable options out there to help your child and your family. Us moms > > know best. > > > > M > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2001 Report Share Posted March 25, 2001 Besides who is to say allergys, in the non classic sense cant cause autism, we all arrive at the diagnosis through different avenues, so I believe the diet can definatly help cure at least a great percentage of our kids. Re: autism or celiac disease? > In a message dated 3/25/01 12:47:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, > dianeritchie@... writes: > > > > Donna, > > I can't think how to say this so it doesn't sound harsh, but autism is > > diagnosed on the symptoms, so you bet Kayrn Seroussi's son had autism. Was > > it caused by gluten and lactose intolerance? Could be, but it was still > > autism. There are probably dozens of ways to arrive at these symptoms. So > > we > > desperately need lots of research into the biological causes, and in the > > meantime we have to try everything, every angle, for our kids. I don't mean > > to get down on you personally, and you obviously are trying so hard to help > > your son, I just keep running into people in my community who will not try > > any interventions because they know autism is incurable, and who dismiss > > all > > recoveries as " not really autism " . So the most important message from > > Karyn's book is not GFCF will cure autism, but that " there are no symptoms > > without a cause " so please keep trying and keep looking and keep hoping. > > > > Amen to that Diane...I have a friend who's son is dx'd with Aspergers that > drinks about a gallon of milk a day...when I suggested the diet she looked me > straight in the eye and said, " that woman's son NEVER had autism...he had an > allergy...if there was a cure for autism it would be on the news. She is > selling false hope. " > > I almost took her words to heart and I am sure glad that I didn't...my son > improves every day and doesn't even carry the ASD label...which I am sure he > would have received had I not started the diet when I did. > > Hang in there Donna...you owe it to your kid and to yourself to try all the > reasonable options out there to help your child and your family. Us moms > know best. > > M > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2001 Report Share Posted March 25, 2001 I wish I could remember who said this about autism but it was something like this 'if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, then it is a duck!' Betty ----- Original Message ----- I just keep running into people in my community who will not try > any interventions because they know autism is incurable, and who dismiss all > recoveries as " not really autism " . So the most important message from > Karyn's book is not GFCF will cure autism, but that " there are no symptoms > without a cause " so please keep trying and keep looking and keep hoping. > Diane in NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2001 Report Share Posted March 25, 2001 " The diet does help a lot of people but in most cases ( > Seroussi's included), it takes a lot more than just GF/CF. There are so many > things that need to be addressed biologically. Remember, she did Nystatin, > ABA, and tons of supplements among other things. I think we're all kidding > ourselves if we think the diet alone (for most) is the cure. " At first, I thought gfcf was it, which is good, because if I had known then what I do now...it would have been too overwhelming. If you look at the research being done, gfcf is usually necessary because of the initial gut damage. The underlying problem also causes yeast buildup, metabolic dysfunction, detox issues, multiple allergies and intolerances, CNS disruption, and so on. Plus the lost time for normal social and intellectual development. Which system is most impacted, how severely, how early and intense the intervention - there are so many different factors at work on the child. So please don't give up. Just tackle each possible issue as you can, one step at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2001 Report Share Posted March 25, 2001 O.K. here I really have to disagree with you. I absolutely don't think that celiac and autism are the same thing and that if a child exhibits autistic symptoms it doesn't matter what the cause is. Think about it - if some of these children really just have undiagnosed celiac (not uncommon or surprising when most doctors still don't really know to test for it) instead of autism and could be completely cured if caught early enough shouldn't we be training our pediatricians to automatically test for celiac disease if autistic symptoms present themselves? Maybe devising a test to use in the hospital like PKU so it's caught right away? Given a choice between a diagnosis of celiac or autism which would you chose for your child? Perhaps if this was researched more thoroughly we would find that early testing and diagnosing cures many children who otherwise would be autistic for life. Maybe some of these children are just too profoundly damaged by the time celiac is diagnosed and then cannot be reversed. Or maybe there is a portion of children with celiac who will be triggered or worsened by vaccines. If we understood how this all links together better, children at risk for regression from vaccines could skip vaccination or be vaccinated much later or maybe we would find that say polio, mumps and diphtheria are safe vaccines for this population of children and they could at least get these. My point is this - since autism is basically diagnosed by symptoms exhibited, not a blood test it can just as easily be misdiagnosed. And children who are " cured of their autism " who weren't really autistic to begin with, muddy the waters of research and recovery and appropriate treatment for children who truly are ASD. I think that the children in Dr. Megson's study were possibly not autistic as well and I also think that Beck's child was not autistic. I have read all of the literature on both these studies and I truly believe these children had diseases that presented as autism but weren't. And even though my scientific mind has doubts about this whole biological thing I will try everything that I come across that makes sense and is not harmful. I determined a long time ago to leave no stone unturned when it came to my son's autism. I think that was the most important thing that I got from 's book - that maybe there is a biological cause or more accurately, many causes and therefore a cure - something I had not thought possible before. Of course the other side of the coin is that my son doesn't really have autism and that 10 years from now I will discover that what he really had was Dr. Seuss syndrome and that if I had just given him green eggs and ham he would have been cured. O.K. this is a ridiculous example but you get my general drift. And weirdly enough I think I remember my son's neurologist being quoted in the paper saying this duck thing....It will be interesting to see what he thinks about all this when we see him in April... Donna > I wish I could remember who said this about autism but it was something like > this 'if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, > then it is a duck!' > > Betty > ----- Original Message ----- > > > I just keep running into people in my community who will not try > > any interventions because they know autism is incurable, and who dismiss > all > > recoveries as " not really autism " . So the most important message from > > Karyn's book is not GFCF will cure autism, but that " there are no > symptoms > > without a cause " so please keep trying and keep looking and keep hoping. > > Diane in NC > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2001 Report Share Posted March 25, 2001 I have to add here that my daughter in no way, shape, or form meets any criteria for celiac. She has always been above the 100% on the growth charts and to this day does not get physically ill with infringements. She does however revert back to autistic symptoms for days after an infringement. There have been many diseases that medicine did not originally know the cause of, found the cause, but did not subsequently re-name the disease itself! My daughter has recovered just like 's son, but no one will ever convince me she was not autistic. She was diagnosed by 2 psychiatrist, a therapist, a speech therapist, early intervention, and TEACCH, all at different times and different locations, and all diagnosed her autistic.There are many disease out there that there are cures for that we don't know about as of yet and many that we do but they are still what they are. If a child meets the diagnostic criteria for autism than they are autistic. What the contributing factors are may be different for each child but the criteria for diagnosis does not change on this basis. Autism is curable, my daughter is living proof. > My point is this - since autism is basically diagnosed by symptoms > exhibited, not a blood test it can just as easily be misdiagnosed. And > children who are " cured of their autism " who weren't really autistic to > begin with, muddy the waters of research and recovery and appropriate > treatment for children who truly are ASD. I think that the children in Dr. > Megson's study were possibly not autistic as well and I also think that > Beck's child was not autistic. I have read all of the literature > on both these studies and I truly believe these children had diseases that > presented as autism but weren't. > > And even though my scientific mind has doubts about this whole biological > thing I will try everything that I come across that makes sense and is not > harmful. I determined a long time ago to leave no stone unturned when it > came to my son's autism. I think that was the most important thing that I > got from 's book - that maybe there is a biological cause or more > accurately, many causes and therefore a cure - something I had not thought > possible before. > > Of course the other side of the coin is that my son doesn't really have > autism and that 10 years from now I will discover that what he really had > was Dr. Seuss syndrome and that if I had just given him green eggs and ham > he would have been cured. O.K. this is a ridiculous example but you get my > general drift. > > > Betty > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2001 Report Share Posted March 25, 2001 I think that it would be nice if when our children are dx'd, especially under 3 yo, that parents are told that the gfcf diet has helped a very large percentage of children with 'signs' of autism. Instead my daughter was told that there was no cure and he probably would get worse. If he ever did speak, he would probably quit again. Being bipolar herself and with an abusive husband, after being told this, I don't wonder my daughter had a break down. If any hope at all had been offered we certainly would have jumped on it. ABA was the only hope I learned of later and it was not within our reach. Not any 30-40 hours of it. We were lucky to get a TEACCH teacher and lost her after the first year. It would be great if they had a test at birth but they don't. But they do have developmental tests that are ignored for the most part by most doctors when they do a well baby check. Betty ----- Original Message ----- > O.K. here I really have to disagree with you. I absolutely don't think that > celiac and autism are the same thing and that if a child exhibits autistic > symptoms it doesn't matter what the cause is. Think about it - if some of > these children really just have undiagnosed celiac (not uncommon or > surprising when most doctors still don't really know to test for it) instead > of autism and could be completely cured if caught early enough shouldn't we > be training our pediatricians to automatically test for celiac disease if > autistic symptoms present themselves? > Maybe devising a test to use in the hospital like PKU so it's caught right > away? ------------------- > Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2001 Report Share Posted March 25, 2001 > > I have to add here that my daughter in no way, shape, or form meets any > criteria for celiac. She has always been above the 100% on the growth charts > and to this day does not get physically ill with infringements. She does > however revert back to autistic symptoms for days after an infringement. > There have been many diseases that medicine did not originally know the > cause of, found the cause, but did not subsequently re-name the disease > itself! My daughter has recovered just like 's son, but no one will > ever convince me she was not autistic. She was diagnosed by 2 psychiatrist, > a therapist, a speech therapist, early intervention, and TEACCH, all at > different times and different locations, and all diagnosed her > autistic.There are many disease out there that there are cures for that we > don't know about as of yet and many that we do but they are still what they > are. If a child meets the diagnostic criteria for autism than they are > autistic. What the contributing factors are may be different for each child > but the criteria for diagnosis does not change on this basis. Autism is > curable, my daughter is living proof. > > > > > > My point is this - since autism is basically diagnosed by symptoms > > exhibited, not a blood test it can just as easily be misdiagnosed. And > > children who are " cured of their autism " who weren't really autistic to > > begin with, muddy the waters of research and recovery and appropriate > > treatment for children who truly are ASD. I think that the children in > Dr. > > Megson's study were possibly not autistic as well and I also think that > > Beck's child was not autistic. I have read all of the literature > > on both these studies and I truly believe these children had diseases that > > presented as autism but weren't. > > > > And even though my scientific mind has doubts about this whole biological > > thing I will try everything that I come across that makes sense and is not > > harmful. I determined a long time ago to leave no stone unturned when it > > came to my son's autism. I think that was the most important thing that I > > got from 's book - that maybe there is a biological cause or more > > accurately, many causes and therefore a cure - something I had not thought > > possible before. > > > > Of course the other side of the coin is that my son doesn't really have > > autism and that 10 years from now I will discover that what he really had > > was Dr. Seuss syndrome and that if I had just given him green eggs and ham > > he would have been cured. O.K. this is a ridiculous example but you get > my > > general drift. > > > > > Betty > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Diane Ritchie I don't think anyone can say Megsons study children were not autistic as much as we can't say karen and victorias children were not autistic simply because their interventions alleviated the ASD symptoms. None of these interventions are, as far as i can see Cures, if the interventions ceased the ASD would return. Hence these children are not absolutely " cured " in the literal sense of the word. Shattock at aru sunderland used the duck quote, and it's certainly very true. We're talking about an ASD spectrum that is entirely different from the old view of Autism being a mental condition, science is pointing to ASD spectrum disorders being an auto immune disease caused by Vaccines/viruses/ food/chemicals/leaky gut, the latest royal free research by Dr. Simon Mursh is the stongest indication of this to date, and one that i personally firmly believe. It's a puzzle that is coming together - so to speak and we're slowly finding what keys work for our children. Simply my view. Good sites to view for symptoms of what is currently termed autistic Entercolitis:- http://www.AutismMedical.com/ http://www.osiris.sunderland.ac.uk/autism/index.html Best wishes, Margaret. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2001 Report Share Posted March 26, 2001 I don't think anyone can say Megsons study children were not autistic > as much as we can't say karen and victorias children were not autistic > simply because their interventions alleviated the ASD symptoms. > None of these interventions are, as far as i can see Cures, if the > interventions ceased the ASD would return. Hence these children are > not absolutely " cured " in the literal sense of the word. > Shattock at aru sunderland used the duck quote, and it's certainly > very true. > We're talking about an ASD spectrum that is entirely different from > the old view of Autism being a mental condition, science is pointing > to ASD spectrum disorders being an auto immune disease caused by > Vaccines/viruses/ food/chemicals/leaky gut, the latest royal free > research by Dr. Simon Mursh is the stongest indication of this to > date, and one that i personally firmly believe. > It's a puzzle that is coming together - so to speak and we're slowly > finding what keys work for our children. Simply my view. > Good sites to view for symptoms of what is currently termed autistic > Entercolitis:- > http://www.AutismMedical.com/ > http://www.osiris.sunderland.ac.uk/autism/index.html > Best wishes, > Margaret. I forgot to mention you can see a summary of the latest RFH study at AIA's website which is http://www.AutismMedical.com/ just click on news. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2001 Report Share Posted March 26, 2001 I've become confused by this discussion, could someone help me out. I thought celiac manifested itself in physical ways (weight, bone pains, stomach pains) whereas autism showed it's symptoms in more behavior ways (speech, eye contact, interaction). I realize that the physical symptoms of celiac also may show in autism, but does the symptoms of autism show in celiac? Lolita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2001 Report Share Posted March 26, 2001 > I've become confused by this discussion, could someone help me out. I thought celiac manifested itself in physical ways (weight, bone pains, stomach pains) whereas autism showed it's symptoms in more behavior ways (speech, eye contact, interaction). I realize that the physical symptoms of celiac also may show in autism, but does the symptoms of autism show in celiac? > > Lolita Celiac, especially if mild or in the early stages, can manifest as behavioral problems & LD (kids) and depression (adults). I know two chubby people with CD, thus they weren't tested for decades until they demanded it. There is data that CD can go into partial remission during the growth spurt adolescent years, which some people believe explains why many kids dx'd ADHD seem to recover for awhile in their teens - CD is the real problem. Since ASD and CD involve damage to the gut wall & leaky gut issues, there are similar dynamics and problems, although it's certainly possible to have both conditions. Also, CD lists and websites can be very helpful for uptodate gluten-free info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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