Stuck neck out at pediatricians and almost got chopped off!

[Guest guest]

What state are you in? I am wondering because in Texas it is the law that

children must be immunized to attend public school. Otherwise, there is no

law that states that you MUST immunize your children. Am I wrong?

in TX

[Guest guest]

My 2 year old (NT but I have some concerns) had his well-child appt.

this am. Talked to the doctor about how we are on a dairy, gluten

free diet and how his ear infections have decreased on this and how

when we challenge it we get poor eye contact, social withdrawl,

etc.., (much like his 9 year old brother who has ASD/aspergers).

Well, he seemed very, very interested and said that even though

science does not highly support the dairy problem connection that he

has been reading about it and has seen many kids who are better

without it and supports me continuing it. I am thinking, this is

great! This is where I got overexcited and stuck my neck out. I

said what do you think about the relation between allergies and

vaccinations, etc.., Well, I did get him to admit that Hep B could

probably be delayed without much risk (a victory) but he extolled the

virtues of the others crammed in to a short time period because this

is when the kids are most at risk of being devastated by these

diseases (okay, I see his point and would agree that if they contract

the disease they are more likely to be harmed from it when young).

He also brought up the " it's the law " thing and " there are no studies

to prove autism links... " . I let him know that there were also no

studies to prove that smoking was harmful at one point. I sensed he

started to get resistant then so I backed off. Now I am concerned

that he may just be writing me off as a kook and not taking the

diet/neuro. connection with the seriousness he seemed to initially.

He also then gave me a sheet that begins how parents and physicians

should not question what the CDC says because they are experts in

immunology and that they even discovered the rotavirus/polio problems

and are always trying to be safe, etc.., Blah! Instead of lending

support it made me more adamant against them! They don't want us

getting educated on this? Big red flag! My 2 year old has not had

MMR and I have gotten several 'friendly' reminders from HMO. Am just

hoping the next one won't be accompanied by a CFS worker on my

doorstep. This is a real fear even though we have exceptions in this

state. Just because it is a law doesn't mean they'll follow it. I am

expecting baby in 2 months and do not want to fully immunize (skip at

least hep b and, chicken pox, and delay some). He also said his

office does not order mmr separately. I should have probably kept my

mouth shut but man, if we don't all keep telling these doctors what

we are seeing then we are never going to break through their wall of

resistance and I felt like I did make some progress at first. He even

wrote food sensitivities under the diagnosis section! While this doc.

seemed more open then most I think I just pushed too far and then

stepped on my own toes which I now regret.

[Guest guest]

Hey there -

I know all about that - I have had my head chopped off before too.

Below is a recently published abstract for a study that talks about

the connection between autism and vaccines. (Independent of the

Wakefield study)

These folks at the Univ. Of Minn are on the right track I think and

are confirming what I believe.

Perhaps it would be helpful to give this to your doc and tell him

that more studies are underway and that there have been NO studies

that have ruled out the connection between vaccines and autism. NONE.

The propaganda we are seeing is a numbers game - let's look at the

stats between 1959 and 1989 and then we can show there isn't an

increase in autism - what about 1990 - 2001? Well, let's not look at

that because that would show there was an increase.... please.

Anyway - the truth will come out, but the Drug companies and the CDC

will be battering away at it with propaganda.

897 Innate and Adaptive Immune Responses in Children With

Regression

Autism:

Evaluation of the Effects of Environmental Factors Including

Vaccination

Harumi Jyonouchi

Sining Sun

Hoa Le

University of Minnesota,

Minneapolis, MN

Etiology of autism is unknown. However, there appears to be a casual

association between onset of regression/autistic behavior and

infant immunization/viral infection/adverse reactions to common food

antigens (gluten and cow's milk). Previous literature indicates

the presence of autoantibodies against neuronal cells in autistic

children and subtle immune abnormalities such as skewed T2

responses. In this study, we hypothesized that children with

regression autism may have aberrant immune responses against these

common, usually benign environmental factors, resulting in

inflammatory and/or autoimmune conditions in the CNS. As a first step

to examine our hypothesis, we determined innate and adaptive immune

responses in children with autism spectrum disorders

(N=35, Age 2-14 yrs, median: 6 yr, 24 males and 9 females). Innate

immune responses are assessed by measuring production of

TNF-, IL-1, IL-6, sTNFRI, and sTNFRII after incubating peripheral

blood mononuclear (PBMN) cells overnight with endotoxin (LPS:

0.1 to 10 µg/ml). Adaptive immune responses are assessed by

measuring

T cell cytokine (IFN-, IL-4, IL-5 and IL-10) production in

response to recall antigens (tetanus and dust mite), mitogens (PHA

and

Con A) and IFN- inducing cytokines (IL-12p70 and IL-18)

after culturing cells for 4 days with these stimuli. Production of

IL-12p40, IL-18, and TGF- was also measured in this setting.

Controls were obtained from healthy normal children (N=17, Age 2-16

yrs, median: 11 yrs). Onset of autism/developmental

regression with immunization was reported in 27/35 patients and 32/35

patients were reported to have improvement of behavior by

parents/teachers/therapists with a casein-free/gluten-free diet.

Autistic children produced higher TNF- (p<0.01), sTNFRII (p=0.038),

and IL-6 (p=0.01) with a low dose of LPS (0.1 µg/ml) than

controls.

This is due to the presence of a subset of patients who produced

large amounts of these cytokines. In fact, 27/35 (77.1%) study

subjects produced higher than the maximum levels of TNF-,

sTNFRII, IL-6 and/or IL-1 observed in controls with a low dose of

LPS.

We also observed elevated serum levels of these cytokines

in 8/18 autistic children. Our results thus indicate a high frequency

of excessive innate immune responses in children with

regression autism. These results may partly explain apparent

association between onset of regression/autistic behavior and

immunization in these children. Production of IFN-, IL-5, IL-10 and

IL-12p40 was highly variable in autistic children. IL-4, IL-18, and

TGF- production by PBMN cells were generally low and did not differ

between the study subjects and controls. We also assessed

T1/T2 responses by comparing the ratio of IFN-/IL-5 levels produced

with recall antigens. The ratio of IFN-/IL-5 did not differ

between autistic children and controls. However, 7 and 8 out of 35

autistic children produced significantly high IL-12p40 with recall

antigens and IL-12/IL-18, respectively. IL-10 production was markedly

variable in autistic children: 10 and 11 out of 35 subjects

produced high amounts of IL-10 with PHA and tetanus, respectively,

while 12/35 subjects produced significantly low IL-10 with PHA

as compared to controls. These results also indicate aberrant

production of regulatory cytokines for T cell responses in subsets of

autistic children.

[Guest guest]

First of all:

1.NO ONE can vaccinate your child without your consent

2.There is no such federal law stating that you must vaccinate your child

3. They can not keep your child out of PUBLIC schools if you chose not to

vaccinate your child. I believe the only thing they can do is keep your

child

out of school if any kind of outbreak occurs .

I will never vaccinate my kids again. They had their shots up to the first

MMR.

My son is in Kindergarten, and never had his 5 year shots. They did give me

a little grief about it, but I just submitted a letter of religious

exemption and they were fine with that.

Laurie

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[Guest guest]

We homeschool anyway so are not worried about the school system.

Which of course makes us a little " wierd " in the peds eyes anyway,

not that it is all that uncommon anymore. Legally (with

philosophical/religious exemptions) they shouldn't be able to do

squat, but you hear daily of people being harrassed by CFS who don't

bother to worry about the law. It is just always in the back of my

mind. -Meggie

> What state are you in? I am wondering because in Texas it is the

law that

> children must be immunized to attend public school. Otherwise,

there is no

> law that states that you MUST immunize your children. Am I wrong?

> in TX

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