Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 We were told that Dr. Dobb's brace would need to be set at a 70 degree angle. One shoe became loose today and is no longer at a 70 degree angle. I tried to correct it but cannot tell where the 70 degrees is at....there isn't a 70 degree marker and there isn't an arrow so I don't know what to look for. I'm sure this brace is similar to the DBB....any help would be appreciated. Thanks! -20 months old, DB 23/7---2 weeks left! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 , What do the sole plates look like? Does it have a bolt (like a screw with a hex head) or is it a nut that you tighten? What color are the sole plates? If they're aluminum colored, the pointer or arrow would be directly at the end of the bar if you can imagine that. If the're red, the pointer should be midline to the hole facing forward. I'll send you a couple of pics and maybe those will help. Can you take a pic of the bottom and send to the CFPics list? Maybe someone has something similar and can help? Bad Girl Kori At 03:41 PM 3/10/2005, you wrote: >We were told that Dr. Dobb's brace would need to be set at a 70 >degree angle. One shoe became loose today and is no longer at a 70 >degree angle. I tried to correct it but cannot tell where the 70 >degrees is at....there isn't a 70 degree marker and there isn't an >arrow so I don't know what to look for. I'm sure this brace is >similar to the DBB....any help would be appreciated. >Thanks! > >-20 months old, DB 23/7---2 weeks left! > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Are you bad? Do tell. s. and send to the CFPics list? Maybe someone has something similar and can help? Bad Girl Kori At 03:41 PM 3/10/2005, you wrote: >We were told that Dr. Dobb's brace would need to be set at a 70 >degree angle. One shoe became loose today and is no longer at a 70 >degree angle. I tried to correct it but cannot tell where the 70 >degrees is at....there isn't a 70 degree marker and there isn't an >arrow so I don't know what to look for. I'm sure this brace is >similar to the DBB....any help would be appreciated. >Thanks! > >-20 months old, DB 23/7---2 weeks left! > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 , If is bilateral, you can try to eyeball the measurement by comparing it to the other shoe. If you are just a couple of degrees off either way, this shouldn't be a problem. You can also use a protractor(if you don't have one, they are easy to come by at grocery stores or drugstores). Place the bar along the straight edge of the protractor with the center bolt(or whatever the Dobbs' brace uses to attach the shoe to the bar)on the middle of that straight edge(there should be a marking at the middle point). Then rotate the shoe so that a line going through the middle of the foot hits the 20 degree mark on the protractor: that will give you 70 degrees of external rotation. Once you do get the shoe to where you want it, make a mark with a Sharpie that shows where it is set on the bar. That way, if this happens again, you will know where to line them up. Hope this helps. Naomi The Family Naomi Hannah(02/21/01) Jonah(06/20/03, bilateral clubfoot, FAB 14/7) jaymz3372 ludwig33@...> wrote: We were told that Dr. Dobb's brace would need to be set at a 70 degree angle. One shoe became loose today and is no longer at a 70 degree angle. I tried to correct it but cannot tell where the 70 degrees is at....there isn't a 70 degree marker and there isn't an arrow so I don't know what to look for. I'm sure this brace is similar to the DBB....any help would be appreciated. Thanks! -20 months old, DB 23/7---2 weeks left! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 , Were you able to figure it out from the other suggestions? We have a Dobb's brace if I can be of any further help. Every little mark on the bottom is 5 degrees, if you point the shoe straight out, pointing towards the end of the bar, that's 90 degrees, then turn the shoe 4 marks (85, 80, 75, 70) back towards straight you'll be at 70 degrees. Does this make sense? hth, > > > >We were told that Dr. Dobb's brace would need to be set at a 70 > >degree angle. One shoe became loose today and is no longer at a 70 > >degree angle. I tried to correct it but cannot tell where the 70 > >degrees is at....there isn't a 70 degree marker and there isn't an > >arrow so I don't know what to look for. I'm sure this brace is > >similar to the DBB....any help would be appreciated. > >Thanks! > > > >-20 months old, DB 23/7---2 weeks left! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Hi! Thanks to everybody who responded! We ended-up eyeing it. However, it kept coming loose so I called the orthotics person today. He suggested we buy something called Loc Tite which helps bind the screw to the bolt. We have put it on and we'll see how it works. Also, when I screwed the shoe completely off the brace I noticed the marker on the underneath side so I'm thinking the marker is on the wrong side. Once you put the shoe on the brace you cannot see the marker since it's on the underneath side....I'll have to ask about this at our next apt in 2 weeks. Anyhow, thanks again for all your help! Proud Mom To -Dobb's Brace 23/7 Before I made you in the womb, I knew you....God. 20 months old, microcephaly, bilateral ptosis (repaired 1/04), GERD (and associated eating challenges), bilateral club feet (tenatomy 11/03 & 12/04), heart murmur, left kidney: hydronephrosis due to Grade V reflux, right kidney: low functioning due to cysts on upper 20%, undescended testes (corrected 9/04), possible milk allergy, low muscle tone, global delays, undiagnosed syndrome... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 i completely agree about the hinged bar... such a vast difference in the two... she can crawl and actually cruise the furniture with the hinged bar... i really like the plastic mold better than the Markells... if i didn't get her foot in the Markells just right it would leave welps and even little breaks on the skin that were painful... the plastic ones from dr dobbs haven't even left a pressure mark or anything... i can't believe the difference... but i do wish she had better mobility in her ankles... i am glad that we were able to choose a color... just seems to look more girly and cute than white would... so maybe you will get to choose on the next set... by the way.. how many sets have you had and do you think you will have to have... dr dobbs said that he thinks she will be ok in this set for about a year and then only need maybe one more set till she's four and out of them... just seems like her foot would grow more than that... maybe i am wrong... what did he tell you? mommy to Grace 12-03-03 BCF Dobb's Brace 23/7 jagrindon jagrindon@...> wrote: , Ours are basically the same, our hinged bar is silver (they started making them black after we got ours) and the hard plastic mold is white (again, the color choice came about later). But since one of the velcro straps on the plastic shoes broke we've been using our Markell shoes (the white open toed ones like you had) with the hinged bar (we did get the strap fixed), Sammy seems to like the shoes better than the plastic ones as he can move his ankles more freely. Dr. Dobbs said it is fine to use either one. This way we kind of have back up in case the shoes ever start rubbing his feet we can use the plastic ones, but so far so good w/ the shoes. I guess we were lucky, our insurance paid 100% for both types of braces and shoes. I can't wait until they get the hinged bar available to everyone, it is such an improvement! love, lisa before i made you in the womb, i knew you... love God. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 We are still on our first set. He said pretty much the same to me, the outer plastic shell would not need to be replaced often, maybe only twice. I think because it is actually bigger than their foot they can grow into it. The inner one he thought would need to be replaced about every 9 months. I'm sure it varies from child to child -- my older daughter wears the same pair of tennis shoes for a year before her foot out grows them, but Sammy's big feet (at 6 months) are already as big as hers were at 18 months. We originally had major issues w/ the Markells (big open blisters from pressure sores) but when our strap broke for the second time on the plastic AFO style ones I knew I needed a back up. With Kori's advice from her tips document and her persistence in trying to convince me that the Markells weren't all bad I have resolved all the issues we had w/ them and are now able to wear them without any problems -- of course it has helped that his feet have toughened up and are not so sensitive to any little abrasion. I do think it would be cool to have the colored plastic ones, white is pretty boring, do yours have colored velcro or is it just white? I guess I will have to choose which I really want to use when he needs new ones, I can't expect my insurance to pay for me to have both all the time! Oh, I meant to ask you, when are you going to see Dr. Dobbs again? We go next week to *hopefully* get reduced hours! > > , > Ours are basically the same, our hinged bar is silver (they started > making them black after we got ours) and the hard plastic mold is > white (again, the color choice came about later). But since one of > the velcro straps on the plastic shoes broke we've been using our > Markell shoes (the white open toed ones like you had) with the hinged > bar (we did get the strap fixed), Sammy seems to like the shoes better > than the plastic ones as he can move his ankles more freely. Dr. > Dobbs said it is fine to use either one. This way we kind of have > back up in case the shoes ever start rubbing his feet we can use the > plastic ones, but so far so good w/ the shoes. I guess we were lucky, > our insurance paid 100% for both types of braces and shoes. I can't > wait until they get the hinged bar available to everyone, it is such > an improvement! > > > > > love, lisa > before i made you in the womb, i knew you... love God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Has anyone every posted a picture of Dr. Dobbs' brace? If so, I unfortunately missed it. Mommy to (12-17-98) and Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB (nights only) Re: Re: db @ 70 degree angle i completely agree about the hinged bar... such a vast difference in the two... she can crawl and actually cruise the furniture with the hinged bar... i really like the plastic mold better than the Markells... if i didn't get her foot in the Markells just right it would leave welps and even little breaks on the skin that were painful... the plastic ones from dr dobbs haven't even left a pressure mark or anything... i can't believe the difference... but i do wish she had better mobility in her ankles... i am glad that we were able to choose a color... just seems to look more girly and cute than white would... so maybe you will get to choose on the next set... by the way.. how many sets have you had and do you think you will have to have... dr dobbs said that he thinks she will be ok in this set for about a year and then only need maybe one more set till she's four and out of them... just seems like her foot would grow more than that... maybe i am wrong... what did he tell you? mommy to Grace 12-03-03 BCF Dobb's Brace 23/7 jagrindon jagrindon@...> wrote: , Ours are basically the same, our hinged bar is silver (they started making them black after we got ours) and the hard plastic mold is white (again, the color choice came about later). But since one of the velcro straps on the plastic shoes broke we've been using our Markell shoes (the white open toed ones like you had) with the hinged bar (we did get the strap fixed), Sammy seems to like the shoes better than the plastic ones as he can move his ankles more freely. Dr. Dobbs said it is fine to use either one. This way we kind of have back up in case the shoes ever start rubbing his feet we can use the plastic ones, but so far so good w/ the shoes. I guess we were lucky, our insurance paid 100% for both types of braces and shoes. I can't wait until they get the hinged bar available to everyone, it is such an improvement! love, lisa before i made you in the womb, i knew you... love God. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 There's a whole folder in the CFPics photo library dedicated to it. Try there. Kori At 11:16 AM 3/14/2005, you wrote: >Has anyone every posted a picture of Dr. Dobbs' brace? If so, I >unfortunately missed it. > > >Mommy to (12-17-98) and >Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB (nights only) > > Re: Re: db @ 70 degree angle > > >i completely agree about the hinged bar... such a vast difference in the >two... she can crawl and actually cruise the furniture with the hinged >bar... i really like the plastic mold better than the Markells... if i >didn't get her foot in the Markells just right it would leave welps and even >little breaks on the skin that were painful... the plastic ones from dr >dobbs haven't even left a pressure mark or anything... i can't believe the >difference... but i do wish she had better mobility in her ankles... i am >glad that we were able to choose a color... just seems to look more girly >and cute than white would... so maybe you will get to choose on the next >set... by the way.. how many sets have you had and do you think you will >have to have... dr dobbs said that he thinks she will be ok in this set for >about a year and then only need maybe one more set till she's four and out >of them... just seems like her foot would grow more than that... maybe i am >wrong... what did he tell you? > > mommy to Grace 12-03-03 BCF Dobb's Brace 23/7 > >jagrindon jagrindon@...> wrote: > >, >Ours are basically the same, our hinged bar is silver (they started >making them black after we got ours) and the hard plastic mold is >white (again, the color choice came about later). But since one of >the velcro straps on the plastic shoes broke we've been using our >Markell shoes (the white open toed ones like you had) with the hinged >bar (we did get the strap fixed), Sammy seems to like the shoes better >than the plastic ones as he can move his ankles more freely. Dr. >Dobbs said it is fine to use either one. This way we kind of have >back up in case the shoes ever start rubbing his feet we can use the >plastic ones, but so far so good w/ the shoes. I guess we were lucky, >our insurance paid 100% for both types of braces and shoes. I can't >wait until they get the hinged bar available to everyone, it is such >an improvement! > > > > >love, lisa >before i made you in the womb, i knew you... love God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 Thank you. Mommy to (12-17-98) and Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB (nights only) Re: Re: db @ 70 degree angle > > >i completely agree about the hinged bar... such a vast difference in the >two... she can crawl and actually cruise the furniture with the hinged >bar... i really like the plastic mold better than the Markells... if i >didn't get her foot in the Markells just right it would leave welps and even >little breaks on the skin that were painful... the plastic ones from dr >dobbs haven't even left a pressure mark or anything... i can't believe the >difference... but i do wish she had better mobility in her ankles... i am >glad that we were able to choose a color... just seems to look more girly >and cute than white would... so maybe you will get to choose on the next >set... by the way.. how many sets have you had and do you think you will >have to have... dr dobbs said that he thinks she will be ok in this set for >about a year and then only need maybe one more set till she's four and out >of them... just seems like her foot would grow more than that... maybe i am >wrong... what did he tell you? > > mommy to Grace 12-03-03 BCF Dobb's Brace 23/7 > >jagrindon jagrindon@...> wrote: > >, >Ours are basically the same, our hinged bar is silver (they started >making them black after we got ours) and the hard plastic mold is >white (again, the color choice came about later). But since one of >the velcro straps on the plastic shoes broke we've been using our >Markell shoes (the white open toed ones like you had) with the hinged >bar (we did get the strap fixed), Sammy seems to like the shoes better >than the plastic ones as he can move his ankles more freely. Dr. >Dobbs said it is fine to use either one. This way we kind of have >back up in case the shoes ever start rubbing his feet we can use the >plastic ones, but so far so good w/ the shoes. I guess we were lucky, >our insurance paid 100% for both types of braces and shoes. I can't >wait until they get the hinged bar available to everyone, it is such >an improvement! > > > > >love, lisa >before i made you in the womb, i knew you... love God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 , In the CFPics group, look in the photos section under " Foot Abduction Bars " there is a file of just Dr. Dobbs brace, a couple different versions are shown, one w/ plastic AFO style shoes and one w/ Markells, they are pretty interchangeable on the model he is currently using. > > , > Ours are basically the same, our hinged bar is silver (they started > making them black after we got ours) and the hard plastic mold is > white (again, the color choice came about later). But since one of > the velcro straps on the plastic shoes broke we've been using our > Markell shoes (the white open toed ones like you had) with the hinged > bar (we did get the strap fixed), Sammy seems to like the shoes better > than the plastic ones as he can move his ankles more freely. Dr. > Dobbs said it is fine to use either one. This way we kind of have > back up in case the shoes ever start rubbing his feet we can use the > plastic ones, but so far so good w/ the shoes. I guess we were lucky, > our insurance paid 100% for both types of braces and shoes. I can't > wait until they get the hinged bar available to everyone, it is such > an improvement! > > > > > love, lisa > before i made you in the womb, i knew you... love God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 the straps are white... but they look really good.. i am really impressed with them... and we go back the 14th of april... and hopefully we will get reduced to 16 hours or so... as long as her feet look good to him... i can't wait... counting down the days... she gets so excited when she's out of them.. that makes sense about the foot growing and all that... grace has really big feet for her age i think... she's 15 months old and she last wore a 4 1/2 before her 2nd surgery in december... i haven't tried them on her since she's been in the brace... she might have out grown them since them... but they are the most precious and perfect little feet i've ever seen... !! how old is you little boy.... mommy to Grace 12-03-03 BCF jagrindon jagrindon@...> wrote: We are still on our first set. He said pretty much the same to me, the outer plastic shell would not need to be replaced often, maybe only twice. I think because it is actually bigger than their foot they can grow into it. The inner one he thought would need to be replaced about every 9 months. I'm sure it varies from child to child -- my older daughter wears the same pair of tennis shoes for a year before her foot out grows them, but Sammy's big feet (at 6 months) are already as big as hers were at 18 months. We originally had major issues w/ the Markells (big open blisters from pressure sores) but when our strap broke for the second time on the plastic AFO style ones I knew I needed a back up. With Kori's advice from her tips document and her persistence in trying to convince me that the Markells weren't all bad I have resolved all the issues we had w/ them and are now able to wear them without any problems -- of course it has helped that his feet have toughened up and are not so sensitive to any little abrasion. I do think it would be cool to have the colored plastic ones, white is pretty boring, do yours have colored velcro or is it just white? I guess I will have to choose which I really want to use when he needs new ones, I can't expect my insurance to pay for me to have both all the time! Oh, I meant to ask you, when are you going to see Dr. Dobbs again? We go next week to *hopefully* get reduced hours! love, lisa before i made you in the womb, i knew you... love God. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2005 Report Share Posted March 15, 2005 Sammy is only 6 months, and he wears a size 3 in regular shoes (I have a pair all ready for him for next week, we're so excited!). Keep counting down those days...we will be thinking of you. > > We are still on our first set. He said pretty much the same to me, > the outer plastic shell would not need to be replaced often, maybe > only twice. I think because it is actually bigger than their foot > they can grow into it. The inner one he thought would need to be > replaced about every 9 months. I'm sure it varies from child to child > -- my older daughter wears the same pair of tennis shoes for a year > before her foot out grows them, but Sammy's big feet (at 6 months) are > already as big as hers were at 18 months. We originally had major > issues w/ the Markells (big open blisters from pressure sores) but > when our strap broke for the second time on the plastic AFO style ones > I knew I needed a back up. With Kori's advice from her tips document > and her persistence in trying to convince me that the Markells weren't > all bad I have resolved all the issues we had w/ them and are now able > to wear them without any problems -- of course it has helped that his > feet have toughened up and are not so sensitive to any little > abrasion. I do think it would be cool to have the colored plastic > ones, white is pretty boring, do yours have colored velcro or is it > just white? I guess I will have to choose which I really want to use > when he needs new ones, I can't expect my insurance to pay for me to > have both all the time! Oh, I meant to ask you, when are you going to > see Dr. Dobbs again? We go next week to *hopefully* get reduced hours! > > > > > love, lisa > before i made you in the womb, i knew you... love God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 I remember at the start of our DBB phase I tried to convince and Dr. Ponseti both that if they'd just design an AFO attached to the bar they'd have the problem solved (as far as avoiding pain, blisters, etc.). wore the AFO's for about 18 months or so and they were extremely comfortable all in all. There was never a sore, blister, red mark. Both men told me however that AFO's suck and they wouldn't use them. I don't think they ever did understand what I was trying to describe - not just an AFO but a molded shoe on a bar. 's old AFO's seem so simple - why not put them on a bar? s. i really like the plastic mold better than the Markells... if i didn't get her foot in the Markells just right it would leave welps and even little breaks on the skin that were painful... the plastic ones from dr dobbs haven't even left a pressure mark or anything... i can't believe the difference... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 I wonder if it's not the muscle atrophy issue they're talking about in Iowa. I am still concerned about the lack of ankle movement in the AFO's attached to the bar. I see Darbi all over the place in her bar flexing all about and couldn't really imagine her not being able to do that with the AFO. now, if it were an actual shoe, one that wasn't so high and had a padded ankle area that'd be totally different. Didn't 's feet sweat in his AFO's? I hear that's a big issue with them. Kori At 01:58 PM 3/26/2005, you wrote: >I remember at the start of our DBB phase I tried to convince > and Dr. Ponseti both that if they'd just design an AFO attached >to the bar they'd have the problem solved (as far as avoiding pain, >blisters, etc.). wore the AFO's for about 18 months or so and they >were extremely comfortable all in all. There was never a sore, blister, >red mark. Both men told me however that AFO's suck and they wouldn't use >them. I don't think they ever did understand what I was trying to >describe - not just an AFO but a molded shoe on a bar. 's old AFO's >seem so simple - why not put them on a bar? >s. > > i really like the plastic mold better than the Markells... if i didn't > get her foot in the Markells just right it would leave welps and even > little breaks on the skin that were painful... the plastic ones from dr > dobbs haven't even left a pressure mark or anything... i can't believe > the difference... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2005 Report Share Posted March 26, 2005 The sweat wasn't an issue, actually. They had ventilation holes drilled through them, maybe that helped. Velcro wasn't an issue either, he never did try to take him off of himself. s. Re: Re: db @ 70 degree angle I wonder if it's not the muscle atrophy issue they're talking about in Iowa. I am still concerned about the lack of ankle movement in the AFO's attached to the bar. I see Darbi all over the place in her bar flexing all about and couldn't really imagine her not being able to do that with the AFO. now, if it were an actual shoe, one that wasn't so high and had a padded ankle area that'd be totally different. Didn't 's feet sweat in his AFO's? I hear that's a big issue with them. Kori At 01:58 PM 3/26/2005, you wrote: >I remember at the start of our DBB phase I tried to convince > and Dr. Ponseti both that if they'd just design an AFO attached >to the bar they'd have the problem solved (as far as avoiding pain, >blisters, etc.). wore the AFO's for about 18 months or so and they >were extremely comfortable all in all. There was never a sore, blister, >red mark. Both men told me however that AFO's suck and they wouldn't use >them. I don't think they ever did understand what I was trying to >describe - not just an AFO but a molded shoe on a bar. 's old AFO's >seem so simple - why not put them on a bar? >s. > > i really like the plastic mold better than the Markells... if i didn't > get her foot in the Markells just right it would leave welps and even > little breaks on the skin that were painful... the plastic ones from dr > dobbs haven't even left a pressure mark or anything... i can't believe > the difference... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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