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Personally ... I dont believe it. These days EVERY woman, in the US at least,

takes Tylenol durring pregnancy. Because they say it is the only *safe* med to

use. Because it has been used for years. Because (quote from same site) " In

therapeutic doses it is safe for short-term use. "

Take what you read there with a grain of salt. It uses the words " suggested

possible " ... that is a long-shot if you ask me. Why would it be suggested

possible? Because every woman who has had a cf baby has likely taken Tylenol at

some point. Also, ANY med taken in high doses can cause harm.

I took Tylenol with all 3 pregnancies, high doses of Motrin (for 3 days) in

first trimester with my first, plus 5 days of Vicodin before I knew I was

pregnant, as well as terbutaline with my second. Only Kai, with whom I only

took occasional Tylenol (low doses) and Motrin (also low doses) has clubfoot.

Just my take on it. Don't let it freak you out, and don't let it make you turn

down something that could be helpful. Also, you really have to think of risk v.

reward. If you have a fever, that can harm, even kill a fetus. You take

Tylenol to bring the fever down ... if it gives your baby cf ... so what.

(((HUGS))) I know how tough it is to read stuff like that and not obsess about

it when you are pregnant!

Angel

Tylenol can cause clubfoot???

Hello all. Long time no talk. Still a lurker, but awfully busy. I hope

everyone is doing well. I am sick, Kaitlin is sick and I am also pregnant.

I was online looking up medications safe to take during pregnancy when I

came across something interesting and I wanted to share. I looked up Tylenol

on safefetus.com....It states that if tylenol is associated with clubfoot if

it is taken ANYTIME during pregnancy. WOW. I was floored...I wonder how many

of us took Tylenol during or before we knew we were pregnant. I will say it

again...wow. I know I took it. I have probably taken it already this

pregnancy. I also know my doctor said it was safe to take. What about ya'll?

Think I should start a poll just out of curiousity? Or am I just over thinking

this whole thing?

The link to the info is:

_http://www.safefetus.com/DrugDetail.asp?DrugId=298&TradeName=Tylenol&TradeId=33\

07_

(http://www.safefetus.com/DrugDetail.asp?DrugId=298&TradeName=Tylenol&TradeId=33\

07)

Please, let me know as I am curious to hear the thoughts of others on this

topic.

Freeman

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Was that an announcement? lol... " and I'm also pregnant. "

Congrats!! Can't wait to hear more details!

I took tylenol probably all three pregnancies at least once, if not

more. I would have to say though, that I probably took more with Darbi

than with either of the boys. interesting...

Kori

At 06:13 PM 4/18/2005, you wrote:

>Hello all. Long time no talk. Still a lurker, but awfully busy. I hope

>everyone is doing well. I am sick, Kaitlin is sick and I am also pregnant.

>

>I was online looking up medications safe to take during pregnancy when I

>came across something interesting and I wanted to share. I looked up

>Tylenol

>on safefetus.com....It states that if tylenol is associated with clubfoot if

>it is taken ANYTIME during pregnancy. WOW. I was floored...I wonder how

>many

>of us took Tylenol during or before we knew we were pregnant. I will say it

>again...wow. I know I took it. I have probably taken it already this

>pregnancy. I also know my doctor said it was safe to take. What about

>ya'll?

>Think I should start a poll just out of curiousity? Or am I just over

>thinking

>this whole thing?

>

>The link to the info is:

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>_http://www.safefetus.com/DrugDetail.asp?DrugId=298&TradeName=Tylenol&TradeId=\

3307_http://www.safefetus.com/DrugDetail.asp?DrugId=298&TradeName=Tylenol&Trade\

Id=3307_

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>(http://www.safefetus.com/DrugDetail.asp?DrugId=298&TradeName=Tylenol&TradeId=3\

307)

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>Please, let me know as I am curious to hear the thoughts of others on this

>topic.

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> Freeman

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That is interesting... I have cronic migraines (like the crying /vomiting kind)

, so during my pregnancy I must have taken tons...

frogabog frogabog@...> wrote:Was that an announcement? lol... " and I'm

also pregnant. "

Congrats!! Can't wait to hear more details!

I took tylenol probably all three pregnancies at least once, if not

more. I would have to say though, that I probably took more with Darbi

than with either of the boys. interesting...

Kori

At 06:13 PM 4/18/2005, you wrote:

>Hello all. Long time no talk. Still a lurker, but awfully busy. I hope

>everyone is doing well. I am sick, Kaitlin is sick and I am also pregnant.

>

>I was online looking up medications safe to take during pregnancy when I

>came across something interesting and I wanted to share. I looked up

>Tylenol

>on safefetus.com....It states that if tylenol is associated with clubfoot if

>it is taken ANYTIME during pregnancy. WOW. I was floored...I wonder how

>many

>of us took Tylenol during or before we knew we were pregnant. I will say it

>again...wow. I know I took it. I have probably taken it already this

>pregnancy. I also know my doctor said it was safe to take. What about

>ya'll?

>Think I should start a poll just out of curiousity? Or am I just over

>thinking

>this whole thing?

>

>The link to the info is:

>

>_http://www.safefetus.com/DrugDetail.asp?DrugId=298&TradeName=Tylenol&TradeId=\

3307_http://www.safefetus.com/DrugDetail.asp?DrugId=298&TradeName=Tylenol&Trade\

Id=3307_

>

>(http://www.safefetus.com/DrugDetail.asp?DrugId=298&TradeName=Tylenol&TradeId=3\

307)

>

>

>Please, let me know as I am curious to hear the thoughts of others on this

>topic.

>

> Freeman

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Ha! I just realized that when Kori posted! Congrats !

By the way, I don't think I stated clearly ... I took far LESS tylenol with Kai

than either of my other kids. I took motrin instead because my headaches were

too intense for tylenol to touch, although I did not take alot of that either

because my doc wanted to have it for a backup in case it was needed to help stop

contrax ... as it turned out she waited too long to give me anything and he came

early anyway!

Angel

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Was that an announcement? lol... " and I'm also pregnant. "

Congrats!! Can't wait to hear more details!

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Congrats on the new baby! Ya, I probably took some Tylenol but not enough to do

anything I'm sure. A bottle of that stuff sits in my cupboard till it expires

- but curious how does the maker of the drug relate it to club foot?

s.

Tylenol can cause clubfoot???

Hello all. Long time no talk. Still a lurker, but awfully busy. I hope

everyone is doing well. I am sick, Kaitlin is sick and I am also pregnant.

I was online looking up medications safe to take during pregnancy when I

came across something interesting and I wanted to share. I looked up Tylenol

on safefetus.com....It states that if tylenol is associated with clubfoot if

it is taken ANYTIME during pregnancy. WOW. I was floored...I wonder how many

of us took Tylenol during or before we knew we were pregnant. I will say it

again...wow. I know I took it. I have probably taken it already this

pregnancy. I also know my doctor said it was safe to take. What about ya'll?

Think I should start a poll just out of curiousity? Or am I just over thinking

this whole thing?

The link to the info is:

_http://www.safefetus.com/DrugDetail.asp?DrugId=298&TradeName=Tylenol&TradeId=33\

07_

(http://www.safefetus.com/DrugDetail.asp?DrugId=298&TradeName=Tylenol&TradeId=33\

07)

Please, let me know as I am curious to hear the thoughts of others on this

topic.

Freeman

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i took a large amount while i was pregnant. and the day we did ivf to get

Dominick i had to take tylenol every 4 hours. OMG i did this??? How come the

drs. dont know about this.

goodness,Angie

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Hello . Congratulations on your pregnancy!!! I took a lot of

tylenol both pregnancies. It was the only over the counter I was allowed

to take. I had constant headaches during pregnancy, so maybe I took too

many. My son has perfect feet though, and I think I took about the same

amount during both pregnancies. It is interesting info though. I wonder

how they determined that info and why no other doctor has discussed it.

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I did everything by the book when I was pregnant. I had even started

behaving as though I was pregnant before I even was. I cut out all

pain meds, all soda, don't drink coffee, lowered my carb intake and

ate tons and tons of fruits and vegetables (especially spinach), took

my prenatal vitamins religiously, and cut most of the fat and salt

and other 'bad' stuff out of my diet as much as possible. I even ate

fruit or vegetables when I was craving candy (that sucked!). I still

got gestational diabetes and still had a baby with clubfoot that was

born 6 1/2 weeks premature.

I think there is a very alarmist attitude right now about

medications, especially pain medications. I also think people have a

strong desire to have explanations or reasons for everything - and

worse yet, they need something or someone to blame. Sometimes things

just happen. It sucks, but you do what you can and hope for the

best!

> Personally ... I dont believe it. These days EVERY woman, in the

US at least, takes Tylenol durring pregnancy. Because they say it is

the only *safe* med to use. Because it has been used for years.

Because (quote from same site) " In therapeutic doses it is safe for

short-term use. "

>

> Take what you read there with a grain of salt. It uses the

words " suggested possible " ... that is a long-shot if you ask me.

Why would it be suggested possible? Because every woman who has had

a cf baby has likely taken Tylenol at some point. Also, ANY med

taken in high doses can cause harm.

>

> I took Tylenol with all 3 pregnancies, high doses of Motrin (for 3

days) in first trimester with my first, plus 5 days of Vicodin before

I knew I was pregnant, as well as terbutaline with my second. Only

Kai, with whom I only took occasional Tylenol (low doses) and Motrin

(also low doses) has clubfoot.

>

> Just my take on it. Don't let it freak you out, and don't let it

make you turn down something that could be helpful. Also, you really

have to think of risk v. reward. If you have a fever, that can harm,

even kill a fetus. You take Tylenol to bring the fever down ... if

it gives your baby cf ... so what.

>

> (((HUGS))) I know how tough it is to read stuff like that and not

obsess about it when you are pregnant!

>

> Angel

> Tylenol can cause clubfoot???

>

>

> Hello all. Long time no talk. Still a lurker, but awfully busy.

I hope

> everyone is doing well. I am sick, Kaitlin is sick and I am also

pregnant.

>

> I was online looking up medications safe to take during pregnancy

when I

> came across something interesting and I wanted to share. I looked

up Tylenol

> on safefetus.com....It states that if tylenol is associated with

clubfoot if

> it is taken ANYTIME during pregnancy. WOW. I was floored...I

wonder how many

> of us took Tylenol during or before we knew we were pregnant. I

will say it

> again...wow. I know I took it. I have probably taken it already

this

> pregnancy. I also know my doctor said it was safe to take. What

about ya'll?

> Think I should start a poll just out of curiousity? Or am I just

over thinking

> this whole thing?

>

> The link to the info is:

>

> _http://www.safefetus.com/DrugDetail.asp?

DrugId=298&TradeName=Tylenol&TradeId=3307_

> (http://www.safefetus.com/DrugDetail.asp?

DrugId=298&TradeName=Tylenol&TradeId=3307)

>

> Please, let me know as I am curious to hear the thoughts of others

on this

> topic.

>

> Freeman

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Whoa and back up. You didn't *DO* this. I agree with the other post about

the alarmist attitude. Please don't go blaming yourself for something that

doctors are really not sure what causes it. And even if we find out next year

that Tylenol does cause cf, we cannot punish ourselves for lack of information

when there was none to be had.

s.

.. OMG i did this??? How come the

drs. dont know about this.

goodness,Angie

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I agree that you shouldn't blame yourself for this. I used Tylenol quit

often with both of my pregnancies and my first son was born with perfectly

formed feet and my second one was born with a right club foot. I feel

that Tylenol has nothing to do with it and if it does, I agree with the

statement that we cannot punish ourselves for lack of information.

No matter what, our children are perfect and we love them. That's all

that matters, not who's to blame.

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I think the point is that there is no such thing as a " safe " drug.

Tylenol is the product of an incredibly effective advertising campaign-

-they've managed to convince most of the world that it's a completely

safe & harmless drug--and that is simply NOT TRUE. There are risks

with EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING, including Tylenol. Whether tylenol

*caused* our babies club feet or not we may never know, but we SHOULD

know that NO medication can be taken during pregnancy (or anytime, for

that matter) without risks (including epidurals--despite what a doctor

may say!). You should never just take something because it's easier.

With any drug you must weigh the risks and benefits. If during

pregnancy you have a severe headache or a high fever, sure you may

want to go ahead and take a tylenol. But if it's something you could

deal with, you may want to do just that--deal with it. Better safe

than sorry. And that's the bottom line--not whether the tylenol we

took x amount of years ago while pg gave our baby CF, but whether what

we're doing NOW is the right thing to do. We're such a pill-popping

society (and I'm not saying anything about anyone specifically on

here). People get any little discomfort, and want the to take it away.

And pharmaceutical companies only make money by convincing people it's

okay to do that--it's " safe " .

I don't want to sound like some sort of conspiracy-theory nutso, just

wanted to add my 2 cents for the day!

, mommy of:

Guinevere, on, Ava 8/4/04 RCF ABS FAB 18/7

> I agree that you shouldn't blame yourself for this. I used Tylenol

quit

> often with both of my pregnancies and my first son was born with

perfectly

> formed feet and my second one was born with a right club foot. I

feel

> that Tylenol has nothing to do with it and if it does, I agree with

the

> statement that we cannot punish ourselves for lack of information.

>

> No matter what, our children are perfect and we love them. That's

all

> that matters, not who's to blame.

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i agree... i had 3 miscarriages before i had grace.. and was on bed rest for

most of my pregnancy with her trying to keep the pregnancy from aborting... so

no matter what happened with her feet and no matter what caused it... she's

still my perfect little angel... and personally i really think it's hereditary

in our family.. my brother's feet turned in and wore shoes on the wrong feet

(what kind of treatment was that for 30 years ago?), his sons foot has always

turned in a little and was very noticable when first started walking.. and my

other neice (10 weeks younger than grace) has a foot that turns in pretty bad

while she's trying to walk... she trips on it a lot... so i think it runs in my

side of the family... dang it... !!! lol

mommy to Grace 12-03-03 BCF Dobb's Brace 16/7

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he is perfect in my eyes:)

love, lisa

before i made you in the womb, i knew you... love God.

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In a message dated 4/19/2005 5:22:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

m_kitaki@... writes:

Any person who looks at their baby and says they are not perfect needs their

head examined!

Amen and ^5 we knew @ about 20 weeks..i cried,well bawled then i did

research..tons of research. then i hit it head on...his dr is impressed with

what

i have learned.

i tell ppl yes he has a club foot but it is being fix and he will never

remember any of this.

he was a long process of shots,and 5 months of bedrest due to placenta

previa so yes i think he is perfect and he is my angel..:)

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I agree with ee that you didnt *do* anything. Honestly ... there used to

be studies that " suggested " that herpes was the cause of cervical cancer. They

now know that is not true. I have read numerous medical articles and write ups

about cf and none mentioned tylenol ... my guess is because the evidence is too

scant to support itself. That is why no one mentioned it.

However, I also agree with . There is no such thing as a *safe* drug.

Even asprin in the most natural form - plant derrived - can be very dangerous.

Tylenol is hardly the innocent med it was made out to be in the past. Prolonged

overdosing (often caused by using the wrong form or by the *more is better*

idea) causes irreversible liver damage. And durring pregnancy, if it crosses

the placenta (I don't know of anything that *doesn't* cross) then it has the

potential to effect your baby.

You cannot blame yourself. No one really knows what causes cf, except in

heredetary cases. Yes, some things are *known* to cause it ... generally they

are genetic syndromes ... but in most cases there is no know cause. We cannot

go around carrying the weight of what we did not know and really do not know on

our shoulders. All you can do is go forward from where you are and deal with

what you have.

By the way ... all of us have gone thru the " What did *I* do to cause this? "

stage. It is natural because it has been beaten into our heads that 1) we are

parents and it is our job to make perfect children, and 2) as mothers,

everything we do effects the child we carry. Because of that it is sometimes

hard to accept the concept that sometimes these things just happen.

As a parting thought for your ... clubfoot rate is quite high in developing and

third-world contries where the average person does not have ready access to

things like tylenol. Maybe there are environmental factors that help this

along, but I think it is definitely fair to say that there are many, many cf

children out there whose mother's don't even know what tylenol is, much less

took any while pregnant ;-)

Angel

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it just upsets me noone said btw there is a risk. we just tried for so long

to get this lil guy.

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>> he is perfect in my eyes:)

That is what it is all about :) Someone here once said that if it were not for

the walking factor, she would have gladly left her childs foot as it was because

that is how it was given. I agree with this. I think we shocked the nurses at

the hospital when they mourningly told us Kai had a cf and our response was,

" That's ok, his sister has crooked, crazy feet too! " followed by a laugh. I

never minded the way it looked (it was 3 weeks before he was casted) nor did I

ever mourn his not having a " perfect " foot. To me, it *was* perfect (and kind

of cute at that!). Any person who looks at their baby and says they are not

perfect needs their head examined!

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I haven't spoken too him for a few months, but I just wanted to add the Ponseti

and assoc. believe they have almost isolated the gene that causes clubfoot. My

son Gabe has some hydronephrosis in his left kidney (sp??? :)), sagittal

synostosis, and bilateral cf. As far as my husband and I know, noone in our

families as any of these problems... I can trace my family on both side back at

least 10 generations... Anyway, I asked Ponseti if he believed Gabe's various

conditions were caused by interuterine cramping as the geneticist seemed to

think. He said " No, it's hereditary " . I guess there is more to come on that

in the near future...

kitaki m_kitaki@...> wrote:>> he is perfect in my eyes:)

That is what it is all about :) Someone here once said that if it were not for

the walking factor, she would have gladly left her childs foot as it was because

that is how it was given. I agree with this. I think we shocked the nurses at

the hospital when they mourningly told us Kai had a cf and our response was,

" That's ok, his sister has crooked, crazy feet too! " followed by a laugh. I

never minded the way it looked (it was 3 weeks before he was casted) nor did I

ever mourn his not having a " perfect " foot. To me, it *was* perfect (and kind

of cute at that!). Any person who looks at their baby and says they are not

perfect needs their head examined!

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Wow! I have never heard that Tylenol can be related or linked to

clubfeet in anyway. I checked out the link thanks for sharing. I

would like to follow up with the company who posted the information

to see where they obtained it from. I was told it was fine to take

Tylenol, etc during pregnancy! I still think clubfoot is idiopathic

though, because not all 3rd world countries, etc. even have access to

tylenol, etc. But it was deffianly interesting to read! I have

spent so many hours over the past few years doing research on

clubfoot and have never seen or heard the link with Tylenol before

this. I would love to see the statistics they are using though!

Well it is beautiful outside so I'm going to go enjoy it while I

still am getting around ok! I will be missing from the board again

in a few days for another few weeks (more surgery on the

26th...ughh!) But if anyone hears more interesting news on this

topic or any other good ones they wish to fill me in on, or finds out

how the website got their info on the clubfoot/tylenol link, please

feel free to e-mail it to me at chele323232@... I will still

check my e-mail once I'm back on my feet again and would truly

appreciate it! I hope you all enjoy the nice weather!!!!

Michele Yoder

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Whoa, I just had a chance to catch up...I wasn't trying to suggest

that any of us were to blame for our children having clubfoot. I am

not looking to place blame. It is one of those things, some babies

have blue eyes and some brown. Some have crooked feet and some have

crooked noses. I don't question why, honestly. Reading what I read

about Tylenol took me by surprise. I was shocked. It just made me to

stop to think.

If Tylenol is linked to clubfoot then it should not be recomended to

pregnant women as " safe. " Of course Tylenol is not actually

that " safe, " as someone here has already pointed out. On this board,

we have often discussed possible causes of clubfoot, dietary,

seasonal etc. I thought the suggested link of Tylenol to clubfoot was

so interesting I had to share. I never would have thought that

Tylenol was related or suggested to be related to ANY sort of fetal

problems.

No one knows the exact cause of clubfoot, so no one knows how to

prevent it. Clubfoot was around before Tylenol. I believe it dates

back to the Eygptian times. I do think that since clubfoot is so

common, ALL possible causes need to be investigated. Just like the

incidence of Neural Tube Defects has significantly decreased since

the discovery that a deficiency of Folic Acid CAN cause it. What if

significant amounts of certain medications, like Tylenol, taken

during pregnancy CAN cause clubfoot? Wouldn't you like to know? I

am sure we all took our Folic Acid/ Vitamins most of the time. We

drank our water and went to the doctor visits like we were told to

do. I am sure some incidences (probably a majority of) clubfoot are

hereditary, but what about the ones that are not?

I will say that because I know Kaitlin has clubfoot and also that I

took Tylenol frequently when I was carrying her, I will not take it

with this pregnancy. I love Kaitlin. I would not change a thing

about her, not even her clubfoot. If this baby also has clubfoot, I

will not feel guilty or sad a bit, as long as I know that there was

nothing I could have done to prevent it. Before I did not know about

Tylenol's associated risks so I don't feel guilty one bit, this time

I would have to wonder.

I also would like to know where Safefetus.com gets the information

from. I could not find anymore information about the subject when I

did a web search. If anyone finds anything else about it, I would be

curious to know. That's all it is, curiousity. We are not to blame,

NONE of us would knowingly harm/risk our babies intentionally.

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Well Im sorry but it is just a little hard to beleive for me. With

my 1st child i took it for my headaches plus claritin for my

allergies and other medication and not to mention he was an

unplanned pregnancy so i may have even taken other medicines before

i found out and he was born w/ perfect feet. now as for samantha she

WAS a planned pregnancy and i only took tylenol sinus i think once

and avoided all other medicines even though i was dying of nausea

because i wanted everything thing to be ok and she ended up with

club feet? it does not run in either family so its not hereditary in

our case.

We asked dr.p when we saw him and he said it is unknown why. he just

said it had to do w/ genes.

but i agree with everyone else i am just so happy to have my perfect

little princess and would not change a thing about her!

MIchelle and

BL CF 12/16/03

> Hello all. Long time no talk. Still a lurker, but awfully

busy. I hope

> everyone is doing well. I am sick, Kaitlin is sick and I am also

pregnant.

>

> I was online looking up medications safe to take during

pregnancy when I

> came across something interesting and I wanted to share. I

looked up Tylenol

> on safefetus.com....It states that if tylenol is associated with

clubfoot if

> it is taken ANYTIME during pregnancy. WOW. I was floored...I

wonder how many

> of us took Tylenol during or before we knew we were pregnant. I

will say it

> again...wow. I know I took it. I have probably taken it already

this

> pregnancy. I also know my doctor said it was safe to take. What

about ya'll?

> Think I should start a poll just out of curiousity? Or am I just

over thinking

> this whole thing?

>

> The link to the info is:

>

> _http://www.safefetus.com/DrugDetail.asp?

DrugId=298&TradeName=Tylenol&TradeId=3307_

> (http://www.safefetus.com/DrugDetail.asp?

DrugId=298&TradeName=Tylenol&TradeId=3307)

>

> Please, let me know as I am curious to hear the thoughts of others

on this

> topic.

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, congrats on your new baby on the way!!

As an added twist to this topic I wanted to add..

I wondered and worried, too, for many, many months, if I had " done

something " to cause my daughter's cf. I had a bad case of the flu early

in my pregnancy, and ran a high fever. It went on and on, and I ended

up with a terrible sinus infection. I refused to take anything for any

of it.

Eventually, when the sinus infection got as bad as can be, and just

would not go away, my OB prescribed an antibiotic. I took ONE pill of

it, then chickened out on the rest. But I spent the rest of my

pregnancy worried sick about that 'one' pill and what it might've

done.. even though it was one that was considered acceptable for

pregnant women. When my daughter was born with cf, I was convinced 'I

caused it' by taking that one pill. I am sure there are many women who

took that same antibiotic who had no children with cf, but that didn't

stop me from worrying.

Now, much later.. I have come around to see another side of it all..

I wonder if in fact if I HAD only taken Tylenol, to break that high

sustained fever, or some Sudafed, to keep away the congestion and maybe

prevent that raging sinus infection .. if that might've ironically

prevented the risk of the cf.. Maybe if 'anything' caused it, it was

the high fever or infection itself .. not any medicine I might've taken

for it.

It is something to think about .. that sometimes a medicine would have

helped, and been better than the 'natural' problem that preceded it. I

even wonder if my extreme worry about that one pill might've done more

harm than it ever could have.

I certainly wouldn't say anyone should take medicines without good

reason and careful consideration, but it's something to think about..

It's all a mystery.. I have come to terms with the fact that it 'just

happens' and the reason, if any, can't be known, and have given up

worrying about it as a result.

for what it's worth..

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I have been reading these posts about this possible

Tylenol and medication links to clubfoot with much

interest. I have 2 children, one clubfoot, one

nonclubfoot. With both children, I had miserable

pregnancies. With my first child, my " morning

sickness " did not end until I was into my 3rd

trimester and was severe requiring medication. By

that time, I was in so much pain that I could pretty

much no longer leave my home. Finally, my OB had to

prescribe Tylenol with codeine for me to be able to

sleep at all. was born with no clubfoot.

My pregnancy with Kelsey was worse requiring

hospitalization several times because I could not keep

anything down including water. No vitamins, folica

acid, anything. Everything that touched my stomach

came back up for the first 16 weeks of pregnancy if I

was not on medication. Then, because my Doctor refused

to give me antibiotics for a sinus infection while

pregnant, I ended up with a severe sinus infection,

bronchitis and two ear infections requiring even

stronger antibiotics (she also told me to just " deal

with it " ). On top of all of this we had to go

through all kinds of crap because there was a

possibility that she had Down's syndrome, then she had

clubfoot. Every time I went to the Doctor I was told

that something else was wrong with my child. when it

was all said and done all we had to deal with his her

left clubfoot.

Have I beaten myself up over the possibility that I

caused Kelsey's clubfoot? You bet. But I know for

certain that had I not taken the medication that I

did, we may have both died. Also, if it were not for

those medications, I might not have my precious child.

I understand that all medications during pregnancy

must be taken with careful consideration and

consultation with your OB, but I also believe that no

one wins any medals for suffering through 9 months of

hell with sinus problems, headaches, nausea whatever

when there are reasonably safe medications to help you

including epidurals. Nothing in pregnancy is without

risk and you may risk other problems by refusing to

treat problems as necessary.

There now I have jumped down off of my soapbox on the

other side of the coin.

Jenni

--- redskline123@...> wrote:

>

> I think the point is that there is no such thing as

> a " safe " drug.

> Tylenol is the product of an incredibly effective

> advertising campaign-

> -they've managed to convince most of the world that

> it's a completely

> safe & harmless drug--and that is simply NOT TRUE.

> There are risks

> with EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING, including Tylenol.

> Whether tylenol

> *caused* our babies club feet or not we may never

> know, but we SHOULD

> know that NO medication can be taken during

> pregnancy (or anytime, for

> that matter) without risks (including

> epidurals--despite what a doctor

> may say!). You should never just take something

> because it's easier.

> With any drug you must weigh the risks and benefits.

> If during

> pregnancy you have a severe headache or a high

> fever, sure you may

> want to go ahead and take a tylenol. But if it's

> something you could

> deal with, you may want to do just that--deal with

> it. Better safe

> than sorry. And that's the bottom line--not whether

> the tylenol we

> took x amount of years ago while pg gave our baby

> CF, but whether what

> we're doing NOW is the right thing to do. We're such

> a pill-popping

> society (and I'm not saying anything about anyone

> specifically on

> here). People get any little discomfort, and want

> the to take it away.

> And pharmaceutical companies only make money by

> convincing people it's

> okay to do that--it's " safe " .

> I don't want to sound like some sort of

> conspiracy-theory nutso, just

> wanted to add my 2 cents for the day!

> , mommy of:

> Guinevere, on, Ava 8/4/04 RCF ABS FAB 18/7

>

> > I agree that you shouldn't blame yourself for

> this. I used Tylenol

> quit

> > often with both of my pregnancies and my first son

> was born with

> perfectly

> > formed feet and my second one was born with a

> right club foot. I

> feel

> > that Tylenol has nothing to do with it and if it

> does, I agree with

> the

> > statement that we cannot punish ourselves for lack

> of information.

> >

> > No matter what, our children are perfect and we

> love them. That's

> all

> > that matters, not who's to blame.

>

>

>

>

Jenni-

Mom to (10/31/01) and Kelsey (11/7/03)happy girl in DBB nights only for

left clubfoot.

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there are many, many cf children out there whose mother's don't even

know what tylenol is, much less took any while pregnant ;-)

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> Angel

That's a really good point Angel.

How about the one that antipersperant causes breast cancer!??!?!?

There's a million things like that out there. I was just talking to a

pg friend of mine yesterday who said a woman in her office freaks out

every time she lifts her arms over her head because it " will kill the

baby! " Old wives tales live forever!!!

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Faith,

Just an update, Dr. Dobbs has actually isolated the gene and the last

I heard he had also found a mutation in the gene.

>> he is perfect in my eyes:)

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>

> That is what it is all about :) Someone here once said that if it

were not for the walking factor, she would have gladly left her childs

foot as it was because that is how it was given. I agree with this.

I think we shocked the nurses at the hospital when they mourningly

told us Kai had a cf and our response was, " That's ok, his sister has

crooked, crazy feet too! " followed by a laugh. I never minded the way

it looked (it was 3 weeks before he was casted) nor did I ever mourn

his not having a " perfect " foot. To me, it *was* perfect (and kind of

cute at that!). Any person who looks at their baby and says they are

not perfect needs their head examined!

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