Re: NMR science Re:autoimmunity (mito link?)

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Good article, from what I can grasp of it (myself having flunked chemistry and

physics, and hoping that dreaded " dementia " has not yet taken hold) thks RH. I

am with you and the scientist who said " what is nonscience or unimaginable today

may become tomorrow's new scientific frontier " and I believe that the more we

learn the more we realise there is to learn, and scientific studies will keep

expanding. For sure at least in medicine I agree we have become too specialised

(in the past myself having worked and currently working for medical specialists)

and we need more cross-specialty experts who can look at the big picture ie

think in terms of the whole body, and of course extended family in this case

where disease is inherited. pamela

NMR science Re: hypothyroidism not linked?

A very interesting related topic in science has been whether fields

are " done being discovered " . For example, some of the first people

who worked on antibodies proposed some theories, then changed fields,

saying " we know all there is to know " . This has happened in physics

(before Einstein) and other sciences.

I find that incredible that any scientist could dare to say " we have

all the facts, there are no new discoveries " . Each of us, and each

animal, plant, rock, etc. is unique, and even if we

eventually " figure everything out " , by the time we do, everything

will have changed!

Here's an article on the subject of " completely studied fields " if

anyone is interested - it is mildly technical and focused on

immunology, but the key points are pretty clear (and a lesson for

scientists and doctors):

http://www.nature.com/ni/journal/v2/n10/full/ni1001-893.html

Take care,

RH

> > Perhaps Pamela's thought is like mine - for me I think my mito

> > disease may be caused by antibodies to Complex I or some such.

> > Autoimmune diseases in general are linked, that is they all

represent

> > the body not " weeding out " antibodies that attack one's own

body. So

> > if this " self-recognition " is messed up, perhaps it is

possible that

> > more than one type of " auto " antibody is slipping through.

> >

> > The way antibodies work is that there are many, many, many

different

> > kinds of antibodies floating around in our bodies - the body

has to

> > filter out the ones that might attack the body, and antibodies

> > that " find the target " of an antigen put their cells in gear

to clone

> > and get rid of the antigens.

> >

> > But if some antibodies miss the " self " filter, an autoimmune

disease

> > can occur. So if it happened " once " for the thyroid

antibodies,

> > perhaps it is also happening for some part of the mitochondrial

> > system. I have high anticardiolipin antibodies, and my mito

symptoms

> > disappeared during my pregnancies, so I feel strongly about an

> > autoimmune element.

> >

> > On a side note, I find it odd that doctors like to

say " there's no

> > way they are related " so often - like they are experts in the

> > interrealtionship of diseases (which isn't really studied,

especially

> > not across systems and more especially not for mito)!

> >

> > Take care,

> > RH

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