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Has anyone else had this type of weightloss surgery? It's a form of

RNY, but it's more advanced. For example - my stoma is only 3cc's

big...the size of a grape.

Reason I ask is because the high-risk doctor tried arguing with me

last week saying that it's impossible to have a stomach that

size...and that I'd be dead. Well.....I'm still here five years

later!

We got onto the subject when discussing having an NG tube during my

csection (if complications arose again) and I told him NO WAY.

Instead of the stomach being cut directly across, mine has a

little 'circle' sewn in.

I think I'll share the surgerical reports with him next visit.

We also argued about my weightloss. Aside for obvious reasons to go

(miscarries, malabsorbtion problems and the surgery itself) my OB

sent me because I've lost over 14 pounds now. (I'm only 16wks

preggers) His ONLY reaction was that he was a very busy person and he

thought my coming to him was a waste of time...I seemed fine, my

bloodwork from seven weeks ago was okay, the baby was only measuring

a week behind in size...and afterall, it'd be different if I weighed

less than 100 pounds. " Get down to 105 and we'll start some detailed

work. "

I'm sorry but what a jack$$$!

PS He was also told (and ins pre-authorized it) to perform a 2D and a

3D u/s and he only did a regular one...after I insisted!

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You can't have a 3 cc stoma; the stoma is the junction between the

pouch and the small intestine. Do you have a 3 cc POUCH? Know that

there's no way a pouch will STAY that size over time; I'm sure you've

stretched it somewhat, and the study I've read on that subject says

that micropouches stretch more over time than normal ones, with most

pouches at year five post-op measuring between 30 and 100 cc,

regardless of starting size.

All pouches have a little circle sewn into them for the stoma. You can

be intubated as long as they use an endoscope to do it so that they

can see exactly what they're doing. Why would you have a c-section?

I do think you need to find a new OB. It doesn't pay to have such an

adversarial relationship.

This is just my opinion, but why have medical testing, like 2D and 3D

ultrasounds, which can expose the fetus to risks, if you don't need

it?

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Alan 02/11/84

Joanne Natasha born at home 01/13/00

Open RNY 09/17/01

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To: ossg-pregnant

Has anyone else had this type of weightloss surgery? It's a form of

RNY, but it's more advanced. For example - my stoma is only 3cc's

big...the size of a grape.

Reason I ask is because the high-risk doctor tried arguing with me

last week saying that it's impossible to have a stomach that

size...and that I'd be dead. Well.....I'm still here five years

later!

We got onto the subject when discussing having an NG tube during my

csection (if complications arose again) and I told him NO WAY.

Instead of the stomach being cut directly across, mine has a

little 'circle' sewn in.

I think I'll share the surgerical reports with him next visit.

We also argued about my weightloss. Aside for obvious reasons to go

(miscarries, malabsorbtion problems and the surgery itself) my OB

sent me because I've lost over 14 pounds now. (I'm only 16wks

preggers) His ONLY reaction was that he was a very busy person and he

thought my coming to him was a waste of time...I seemed fine, my

bloodwork from seven weeks ago was okay, the baby was only measuring

a week behind in size...and afterall, it'd be different if I weighed

less than 100 pounds. " Get down to 105 and we'll start some detailed

work. "

I'm sorry but what a jack$$$!

PS He was also told (and ins pre-authorized it) to perform a 2D and a

3D u/s and he only did a regular one...after I insisted!

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This is just what I've been told, and what my surgical reports state.

Here is one link to the licensed procedure...it is different than

most weightloss surgeries. My surgeon was (is) Wood located

in Detroit.

http://www.coricenters.com/surgery_demo.asp

Thanks

I will have to undergo another csection because of the many

complications when having my son. It pretty much came down to making

a decision to either break my pelvis OR his shoulders...and he was

only 7lbs. After four days of Petocin...I opted for the cesarean.

Then came the three weeks of isolation due to yet another staff

infection...the first infection was after the weightloss surgery.

Fun huh?

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In a message dated 6/26/2004 3:43:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

starbound107@... writes:

Your dr. is a freaking Idiot!!

Considering all the new things that they are coming out with.... and the

confusion that sometimes happens when explaining RNY surgery of any kind.. it is

easy to get confused.. lots of times people are actually talking about a stoma

being that small.. and think they are talking about their stomach and there

is a big big difference in a stoma and a stomach. Anyhow, I dont think anyone

should be called an idiot for it and that comment was quite uncalled for in my

opinion. Its better to teach people and explain things than get all bent out

of shape. JMO

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Both e and I both had the " Sappah-Wood Micro Pouch RNY Surgery " Our

stomach IS the size of a grape. Since e conceved in December she has lost

25 lbs...she has just leveled off...so I think in all she has gained a total of

1 1/2 lbs...Your dr. is a freaking Idiot!!!

Adam & e Gaspard

RNY 04.07.03

e 370/245

Adam 394/258

EDD #1 08.31.04

Kay Independent Beauty Consultant

www.marykay.com/starbound107

" That which does not kill us,

makes us stronger "

Micro-Mini Bypass

Has anyone else had this type of weightloss surgery? It's a form of

RNY, but it's more advanced. For example - my stoma is only 3cc's

big...the size of a grape.

Reason I ask is because the high-risk doctor tried arguing with me

last week saying that it's impossible to have a stomach that

size...and that I'd be dead. Well.....I'm still here five years

later!

We got onto the subject when discussing having an NG tube during my

csection (if complications arose again) and I told him NO WAY.

Instead of the stomach being cut directly across, mine has a

little 'circle' sewn in.

I think I'll share the surgerical reports with him next visit.

We also argued about my weightloss. Aside for obvious reasons to go

(miscarries, malabsorbtion problems and the surgery itself) my OB

sent me because I've lost over 14 pounds now. (I'm only 16wks

preggers) His ONLY reaction was that he was a very busy person and he

thought my coming to him was a waste of time...I seemed fine, my

bloodwork from seven weeks ago was okay, the baby was only measuring

a week behind in size...and afterall, it'd be different if I weighed

less than 100 pounds. " Get down to 105 and we'll start some detailed

work. "

I'm sorry but what a jack$$$!

PS He was also told (and ins pre-authorized it) to perform a 2D and a

3D u/s and he only did a regular one...after I insisted!

Children are a blessing, and a gift from the Lord. -Psalm 127:3

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Adam-

Thank you for writing about this! I was beginning to think I (and

hubby) were being a little too concerned.

While my hubby and I were high-school sweethearts, we only reunited

five years ago...just weeks after my surgery. He knows all about the

surgery, but wasn't present thru all the months of my research. He

too, thinks that the High Risk doctor should also be a little

more 'interested' in educating himself on ALL types of weightloss

surgery before making the comments that he did during my

counsultation. It's like he says, " This is my first baby, and I

didn't have your surgery...but what I know is that you NEED a certain

amount of calories to ensure a healthy pregnancy. You can't get

enough for YOURSELF...so there's no way you could get in the 'norm'

amount needed for ANY pregnancy. The baby is taking EVERYTHING you

ingest, and I just hope you can get through the next five months

without hurting the baby...it IS REAL concerning to me. "

While it's comforting to know that there are others on this board

that have had the same surgery, have too...lost weight, and are much

closer to their duedates...it's very scary that I'm only 'down' half

as much as e and still have so far to go!

That HR doctor went on about my needing 2,000 calories... " Just do

your best to eat that amount. So you have to eat it in smaller

amounts...at least try! " He made it sound like I'm not *willing to

try. It's not a matter of that though...as you KNOW...I CANNOT eat

that much!

I forgot to mention that he told me he wanted me in for a Gluclose

test. I told him that I wanted to go thru other means of getting the

results. Again - " Look, this is a regular procedure. I know you're

a little worried about dumping (speaking as though he's SO educated

about the surgery) but women do it everyday and you can too. "

I just found out that Dr. Wood has an office at my hospital (my

surgery was at Detroit Riverview and I knew that he had moved around

a little since then) and I'm going to try everything in my power to

have my OB contact him...maybe get me an insurance-preapproved

appointment with Wood also. MAYBE then he and my HR doctor will see

that I'm not crazy.

It also scares me that the HR doctor said the baby is measuring a

week behind - in addition to my not feeling kicks yet. When I was

pregger with my son, I was 260# and I started feeling kicks at 16

weeks. I was so excited about feeling this second baby sooner - and

really thought there was no doubt of it with my being 130# lighter.

I just started my 18th week and I'm still not feeling it!

Please PLZ keep me updated on e's pregnancy...and I wish you

guys the best of things - good delivery and healthy baby.

Thanks so much again!

in Detroit

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e didn't start feeling Adia until about the 20th week...Don't worry...Her

OBGYN Is AWESOME!! He told her look...if your hungry eat if not then don't

eat...the baby will be fine...he has been doing this for 14 years...he worked in

Florida before he moved to Louisiana...and he stated that he saw a crap load of

women who were pregnant after having WLS...so he knows what to look for...he

stated the only extra concern he has about you ladies is still birth...women who

had the surgery are prone to a higher risk of having it...not sure why...so that

is why he will start seeing e every week starting on the 32 week instead

of the typical 36 week...he will put her on the monitors and do a stress test

every time...Im not sure if you know this or not but a woman only needs to

ingest 300 extra calories to sustain a pregnancy...so this eating for 2 bit is

so last year!!! e's dr put it well when he told us this story about

WWII...He stated when Hitler took over he starved hundreds of thousands of

people...which a lot of those women were pregnant...some of those women went

their WHOLE pregnancy not eating at all...years after that happened they did a

study on the children born to those mothers and children born to mothers after

all of that who had normal healthy pregnancy and their were little or no

difference in the rate of children w/ birth defects and such...so it goes to

show that just because you had this surgery and you cannot eat that much does

not mean your baby will die or come into this world w/ defect after

defect...Hope this helps...oh yeah...Get another Dr. And I did mean it when I

stated he was an Idiot...He needs to take some classes on all of this and catch

up w/ the times!!!

Adam & e Gaspard

RNY 04.07.03

e 370/245

Adam 394/258

EDD #1 08.31.04

Kay Independent Beauty Consultant

www.marykay.com/starbound107

" That which does not kill us,

makes us stronger "

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Adam-

Thank you for writing about this! I was beginning to think I (and

hubby) were being a little too concerned.

While my hubby and I were high-school sweethearts, we only reunited

five years ago...just weeks after my surgery. He knows all about the

surgery, but wasn't present thru all the months of my research. He

too, thinks that the High Risk doctor should also be a little

more 'interested' in educating himself on ALL types of weightloss

surgery before making the comments that he did during my

counsultation. It's like he says, " This is my first baby, and I

didn't have your surgery...but what I know is that you NEED a certain

amount of calories to ensure a healthy pregnancy. You can't get

enough for YOURSELF...so there's no way you could get in the 'norm'

amount needed for ANY pregnancy. The baby is taking EVERYTHING you

ingest, and I just hope you can get through the next five months

without hurting the baby...it IS REAL concerning to me. "

While it's comforting to know that there are others on this board

that have had the same surgery, have too...lost weight, and are much

closer to their duedates...it's very scary that I'm only 'down' half

as much as e and still have so far to go!

That HR doctor went on about my needing 2,000 calories... " Just do

your best to eat that amount. So you have to eat it in smaller

amounts...at least try! " He made it sound like I'm not *willing to

try. It's not a matter of that though...as you KNOW...I CANNOT eat

that much!

I forgot to mention that he told me he wanted me in for a Gluclose

test. I told him that I wanted to go thru other means of getting the

results. Again - " Look, this is a regular procedure. I know you're

a little worried about dumping (speaking as though he's SO educated

about the surgery) but women do it everyday and you can too. "

I just found out that Dr. Wood has an office at my hospital (my

surgery was at Detroit Riverview and I knew that he had moved around

a little since then) and I'm going to try everything in my power to

have my OB contact him...maybe get me an insurance-preapproved

appointment with Wood also. MAYBE then he and my HR doctor will see

that I'm not crazy.

It also scares me that the HR doctor said the baby is measuring a

week behind - in addition to my not feeling kicks yet. When I was

pregger with my son, I was 260# and I started feeling kicks at 16

weeks. I was so excited about feeling this second baby sooner - and

really thought there was no doubt of it with my being 130# lighter.

I just started my 18th week and I'm still not feeling it!

Please PLZ keep me updated on e's pregnancy...and I wish you

guys the best of things - good delivery and healthy baby.

Thanks so much again!

in Detroit

Children are a blessing, and a gift from the Lord. -Psalm 127:3

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Thanks again Adam. Your msg made me feel better...it's not like I'm

losing sleep over it or anything...but it's just that this is my last

pregnancy, have had two miscarriages and I just want to make it the

healthiest possible.

I keep reminding myself that I only gained 22# with my son and lost

over 26# when leaving the hospital. I honestly am not looking/hoping

to gain lots of weight, I just didn't think I'd start losing this

much.

On a better note!!! My son and I were at the fruit market today hand-

picking Bing cherries and the baby kicked (REALLY kicked SEVEN times

in a row) for the first time. My son was so excited that he started

yelling " Mama! She must like cherries..hurry, get a WHOLE BUNCH! "

I was relieved when the dietician reminded me that I only needed 300

additional calories - but that was before she said that I had to eat

2000 total. Ugh - All I can do is try my best right?

That's so cool that you guys found an OB that you respect so highly.

Too bad I'm 1700 miles away.

On the *Hitler note: I've thought about that sort of thing also. I

think about all the TINSY TINY women that have big babies...if they

can do it so can we.

We've been renting a home doppler and I listen to the hb twice a

day. Sure, it's batteries to buy but it's paid off in emotional

sanity.

Have a good Sunday night...

in Detroit

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I agree with Jacque on not worrying about the 2000 calorie thing! Eat well,

drink water, take your vitamins and supplements. Baby will take what he/she

needs and as long as you are taking care of yourself, both of you will be just

fine. At last, enjoy you pregnancy. Best wishes to you!!

EDD#2 8/2/04

Have a great day!!

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