Guest guest Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Has anyone ever filed a malpractice claim against a doctor that did not treat your child properly? I know we have parents on here that first sought treatment with non-ponsetti doctors. Going through all of this with Ian again at 17 months just has me wondering. At times I feel so angry at the original doctor we went to . I'm not planning on doing anything about it, but was just wondering. I do plan on writting the original doctor a letter explaining why we no longer go to him. Anyone done this? I could use some help with wording. Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Anne, After we switched doctors, I sent my original ortho a letter stating why we switched. I will paste it below to give you some ideas. Just some background: the FAB/DBB was slipping off her feet constantly and our doc did nothing to help us or guide us. At one point he told us to take her socks off to help keep her feet from slipping. So naive us listened to him thinking doc knows best. Well in less than 24 hours had blisters the size of M&M's all over her feet. It was aweful, and I just cried. That still wasn't the end, we went to the orthotist to get some help from him and he recommended the AFO's (big no-no w/Ponseti Method). So again, naive us thought how great they would be and easier things would be for not knowing she would eventually relapse. Finally I had enough and found this site-Thank Goodness!!! So now we go to one of the best, next to Ponseti. August 24, 2004 L. Hanway, M.D. Commonwealth Orthopaedics & Rehabilitation 8501 Arlington Blvd. Suite 400 Fairfax, VA 22031 Dear Dr. Hanway: With keeping our best interest for our child in mind, we have decided to continue treatment for Shook elsewhere. After doing in depth research on clubfoot and the Ponseti Method treatment of clubfoot, we felt she was not getting optimum results. We have started treatment with Dr. Herzenberg in Baltimore, MD. I am sure you are aware of his credentials and expertise in clubfoot treatment and limb lengthening. At ’s first visit with Dr. Herzenberg, he spent an hour looking carefully at her feet and took extensive x-rays of her feet, and ultimately determined her feet were not completely corrected in the first place and that is part of the reason the shoes and DBB were not staying on. Which, I might add you were absolutely no help to us in that area and recommending us to take her socks off was positively the worst decision you ever made. In addition, the dorsiflexion is not to Dr. Herzenberg’s satisfaction either and another tenotomy will have to be performed. is currently in casts again because we are starting over. We have lost 5 months and poor has to go through this all over again. My recommendation to you: I contacted Dr. Ponseti himself and he has no knowledge of you nor are you listed on his website as an authorized doctor to use his method. If I were you, I would contact Dr. Ponseti himself and do what he recommends to be apart of his forum. In fact he is having another conference in November. I truly believe you understand the positive results of the Ponseti Method and choose to practice it, however, you need to fine-tune your efforts and physically study this method more closely so patients like do not have to go through this process again, relapse or have future surgery(ies). Good luck to you on your future endeavors. Sincerely, and Shook Since that letter, I also wrote to Dr. Ponseti to let him know Dr. Hanway was butchering his method. Dr. Ponseti personally sent Dr. Hanway a letter leaving me anonymous. Dr. Ponseti recently followed-up with me stating he never received a response from Dr. Hanway. I told him I wasn't surprised. Some of these doctors have some nerve!! Meanwhile, there are several parents and babies who have left Dr. Hanway and switched to Dr. Herzenberg because Hanway was butchering their childrens feet. To answer your ultimate question; no I have not filed for malpractice. Even though he has terrorized some clubfeet, the fact of the matter is, clubfoot treatment is such a small part of his practice in the grand scheme of things. Pediatric Orthos do so many other treatments: broken bones, sprains, hip displacia, scoliosis, etc, etc. Honestly, how do we know for sure if one of those other areas is his area of expertise or specialties? Obviously clubfoot isn't. I think it would take a lot of research to ultimately determine if he is unfit to practice. And, as sad as this is to say, were our babies feet permanently ruined? In some very few cases they may have been. But in most cases they were fixable with another doctor. Or did your babies feet have to be castrated due to his malpractice? I am only thinking from a lawyer or judges point of view. Just another way of looking at it. Believe me, I am with you and I'm sure many others on this board, about wanting to do something more about bad clubfoot treatment from previous doctors. I think the only way or best way to go about it is to try to educate those doctors more about the Ponseti Method. There are many that have huge egos and won't take constructive criticism, but you have to keep trying in hopes they will come around someday. Shook Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 Vienna, VA 22182 x374 x374 fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 We didn't look into malpractice because of our child, but we did for my husband. I've mentioned that he has had two heart surgeries in the past two years...to fix Mitral Valve Prolapse. Usually it only takes one surgery to fix this, but his first doctor stitched something too tight, or just incorrectly, and it caused a tear that resulted in a new leak that resulted in a second surgery. (keep in mind, this is open heart surgery; his heart was stopped, he was put on a heart/lung machine, they took his heart out of his body, fixed it and put it back and then started his heart up again) There is also a possiblity that had a seizure because of the problems with the first surgery, although the neurologist can't say that for certain because he didn't see before the first surgery and doesn't know what the make-up of his brain looked like before. We went so far as to talk to a lawyer about it, and even asked his second cardiologist and second surgeon what they thought. We opted not to persue this, but did as his second surgeon and cardiologist to send his medical records over to his first surgeon so she could see what happened, and hopefully learn from the mistake. We never contacted her directly, and thankfully, 's current cardiologist was very happy to share the information, and was willing to discuss things with her if she wanted to. We really didn't want to be involved any more beyond that, but that was largely due to the fact that I was pregnant and we were busy with happier things once he was done with surgery and was finally back at work again. Perhaps having your current doctor send over any information they have will be enough. I know sometimes medical professionals can be arrogant, but perhaps hearing it from a fellow doctor will have more impact than just hearing it from you... > Has anyone ever filed a malpractice claim against a doctor that did > not treat your child properly? I know we have parents on here that > first sought treatment with non-ponsetti doctors. Going through all > of this with Ian again at 17 months just has me wondering. At times I > feel so angry at the original doctor we went to . I'm not planning on > doing anything about it, but was just wondering. I do plan on writting > the original doctor a letter explaining why we no longer go to him. > Anyone done this? I could use some help with wording. > > Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 , Good letter, it's a pity your doctor didn't take your suggestion. I raised this point a while ago because I had been wondering how much longer these doctors can continue to do these things to other children of parents who may not be aware of the Ponseti Method or this group. It seems that they can do what they like with no consequences. If a doctor isn't a clubfoot expert, why don't they refer their patient to a clubfoot expert!! The same thing happens here in South Africa and the true Ponseti doctors are getting really irritated about it. The way I see it, it's bad practice and something should happen, I'm just not sure what. And I don't see why clubfoot is not really high priority and gets pushed to the back of the queue by these 'important' doctors are good at other more 'important' things. We were told by 's first doctor at our 1st consultation that no one knows what causes clubfoot - and 'nobody has ever bothered to find out, because it's so simple to fix'. It's not - unless you are doing the Ponseti Method 100%!!! Otherwise it's complex surgery on an incredibly small foot that isn't even fully formed yet (I have often read that children's feet are only really 'solid' bone and formed around the age of 3). I get emails from people through my website who are adults living with pain from recurring surgeries. And I have heard of children having not just one surgery, but 2, 5 and 7 - for congenital clubfoot. It upsets me to read these, but it upsets me even more that this is still happening today. Just my thoughts, sorry I sound so frustrated (I am)! and www.clubfoot.co.za www.steps.org.za Re: Another question... Anne, After we switched doctors, I sent my original ortho a letter stating why we switched. I will paste it below to give you some ideas. Just some background: the FAB/DBB was slipping off her feet constantly and our doc did nothing to help us or guide us. At one point he told us to take her socks off to help keep her feet from slipping. So naive us listened to him thinking doc knows best. Well in less than 24 hours had blisters the size of M&M's all over her feet. It was aweful, and I just cried. That still wasn't the end, we went to the orthotist to get some help from him and he recommended the AFO's (big no-no w/Ponseti Method). So again, naive us thought how great they would be and easier things would be for not knowing she would eventually relapse. Finally I had enough and found this site-Thank Goodness!!! So now we go to one of the best, next to Ponseti. August 24, 2004 L. Hanway, M.D. Commonwealth Orthopaedics & Rehabilitation 8501 Arlington Blvd. Suite 400 Fairfax, VA 22031 Dear Dr. Hanway: With keeping our best interest for our child in mind, we have decided to continue treatment for Shook elsewhere. After doing in depth research on clubfoot and the Ponseti Method treatment of clubfoot, we felt she was not getting optimum results. We have started treatment with Dr. Herzenberg in Baltimore, MD. I am sure you are aware of his credentials and expertise in clubfoot treatment and limb lengthening. At 's first visit with Dr. Herzenberg, he spent an hour looking carefully at her feet and took extensive x-rays of her feet, and ultimately determined her feet were not completely corrected in the first place and that is part of the reason the shoes and DBB were not staying on. Which, I might add you were absolutely no help to us in that area and recommending us to take her socks off was positively the worst decision you ever made. In addition, the dorsiflexion is not to Dr. Herzenberg's satisfaction either and another tenotomy will have to be performed. is currently in casts again because we are starting over. We have lost 5 months and poor has to go through this all over again. My recommendation to you: I contacted Dr. Ponseti himself and he has no knowledge of you nor are you listed on his website as an authorized doctor to use his method. If I were you, I would contact Dr. Ponseti himself and do what he recommends to be apart of his forum. In fact he is having another conference in November. I truly believe you understand the positive results of the Ponseti Method and choose to practice it, however, you need to fine-tune your efforts and physically study this method more closely so patients like do not have to go through this process again, relapse or have future surgery(ies). Good luck to you on your future endeavors. Sincerely, and Shook Since that letter, I also wrote to Dr. Ponseti to let him know Dr. Hanway was butchering his method. Dr. Ponseti personally sent Dr. Hanway a letter leaving me anonymous. Dr. Ponseti recently followed-up with me stating he never received a response from Dr. Hanway. I told him I wasn't surprised. Some of these doctors have some nerve!! Meanwhile, there are several parents and babies who have left Dr. Hanway and switched to Dr. Herzenberg because Hanway was butchering their childrens feet. To answer your ultimate question; no I have not filed for malpractice. Even though he has terrorized some clubfeet, the fact of the matter is, clubfoot treatment is such a small part of his practice in the grand scheme of things. Pediatric Orthos do so many other treatments: broken bones, sprains, hip displacia, scoliosis, etc, etc. Honestly, how do we know for sure if one of those other areas is his area of expertise or specialties? Obviously clubfoot isn't. I think it would take a lot of research to ultimately determine if he is unfit to practice. And, as sad as this is to say, were our babies feet permanently ruined? In some very few cases they may have been. But in most cases they were fixable with another doctor. Or did your babies feet have to be castrated due to his malpractice? I am only thinking from a lawyer or judges point of view. Just another way of looking at it. Believe me, I am with you and I'm sure many others on this board, about wanting to do something more about bad clubfoot treatment from previous doctors. I think the only way or best way to go about it is to try to educate those doctors more about the Ponseti Method. There are many that have huge egos and won't take constructive criticism, but you have to keep trying in hopes they will come around someday. Shook Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 Vienna, VA 22182 x374 x374 fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 . It is frustrating. I'm sure all of us feel frustrated. I'm with you on the thought of, " if you don't know what you're doing or are unsure, don't do it. " I think in many cases money and egos get in the way. It is aweful. There has to be some sort of repercussion! Aargh!!! Shook Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 Vienna, VA 22182 x374 x374 fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 , I applaud your courage! That is a great letter and I think I will send our 2 ortho's a letter also. Our 1st ortho did not even tell us about the FAB/DBB! We were told to have her wear her shoes backwards then after that just massage her feet! That's all! When we saw her feet not improving he just simply told us that sometimes it takes time and if that does not help we would be looking at surgery for her! RED FLAG!! We went back to our ped and her agreed her feet did not look corrected so he referred us to a " orthopedic specialist " . Well he did the tenotomy, casted her and we got the DBB but still NO improvement as she was alreaday about 10months and not crawling or standing properly. As soon as we took her to Dr.P we IMMEDIATLY saw the improvement. On her first set of casts she began to crawl! She was 1 year old and had never crawled and now after seeing Dr.P once she started crawling! When we came back to Texas and after her last casts were removed I took her to her ped and he could not believe how good her feet looked! Even the nurse came back and told us that he was commenting to the nurses at how great her feet looked! Our 2nd ortho also told us he followed the Ponseti method and i told Dr.P and he was very upset b/c he said her feet were never corrected to begin with. I too thank to be a part of this group b/c otherwise I would not have found Dr.P and my daughter would be having surgery soon or worse would have already had it! Thank you for sharing this with us! and BL CF 12/16/03 > Anne, > > After we switched doctors, I sent my original ortho a letter stating why > we switched. I will paste it below to give you some ideas. Just some > background: the FAB/DBB was slipping off her feet constantly and our doc > did nothing to help us or guide us. At one point he told us to take her > socks off to help keep her feet from slipping. So naive us listened to > him thinking doc knows best. Well in less than 24 hours had > blisters the size of M&M's all over her feet. It was aweful, and I just > cried. That still wasn't the end, we went to the orthotist to get some > help from him and he recommended the AFO's (big no-no w/Ponseti Method). > So again, naive us thought how great they would be and easier things would > be for not knowing she would eventually relapse. Finally I had > enough and found this site-Thank Goodness!!! So now we go to one of the > best, next to Ponseti. > > > August 24, 2004 > > > L. Hanway, M.D. > Commonwealth Orthopaedics & Rehabilitation > 8501 Arlington Blvd. Suite 400 > Fairfax, VA 22031 > > > Dear Dr. Hanway: > > With keeping our best interest for our child in mind, we have decided to > continue treatment for Shook elsewhere. After doing in depth > research on clubfoot and the Ponseti Method treatment of clubfoot, we felt > she was not getting optimum results. > > We have started treatment with Dr. Herzenberg in Baltimore, MD. I am > sure you are aware of his credentials and expertise in clubfoot treatment > and limb lengthening. At ’s first visit with Dr. Herzenberg, he > spent an hour looking carefully at her feet and took extensive x- rays of > her feet, and ultimately determined her feet were not completely corrected > in the first place and that is part of the reason the shoes and DBB were > not staying on. Which, I might add you were absolutely no help to us in > that area and recommending us to take her socks off was positively the > worst decision you ever made. In addition, the dorsiflexion is not to Dr. > Herzenberg’s satisfaction either and another tenotomy will have to be > performed. is currently in casts again because we are starting > over. We have lost 5 months and poor has to go through this all > over again. > > My recommendation to you: I contacted Dr. Ponseti himself and he has no > knowledge of you nor are you listed on his website as an authorized doctor > to use his method. If I were you, I would contact Dr. Ponseti himself and > do what he recommends to be apart of his forum. In fact he is having > another conference in November. I truly believe you understand the > positive results of the Ponseti Method and choose to practice it, however, > you need to fine-tune your efforts and physically study this method more > closely so patients like do not have to go through this process > again, relapse or have future surgery(ies). > > Good luck to you on your future endeavors. > > Sincerely, > and Shook > > > Since that letter, I also wrote to Dr. Ponseti to let him know Dr. Hanway > was butchering his method. Dr. Ponseti personally sent Dr. Hanway a > letter leaving me anonymous. Dr. Ponseti recently followed-up with me > stating he never received a response from Dr. Hanway. I told him I wasn't > surprised. Some of these doctors have some nerve!! Meanwhile, there are > several parents and babies who have left Dr. Hanway and switched to Dr. > Herzenberg because Hanway was butchering their childrens feet. > > To answer your ultimate question; no I have not filed for malpractice. > Even though he has terrorized some clubfeet, the fact of the matter is, > clubfoot treatment is such a small part of his practice in the grand > scheme of things. Pediatric Orthos do so many other treatments: broken > bones, sprains, hip displacia, scoliosis, etc, etc. Honestly, how do we > know for sure if one of those other areas is his area of expertise or > specialties? Obviously clubfoot isn't. I think it would take a lot of > research to ultimately determine if he is unfit to practice. And, as sad > as this is to say, were our babies feet permanently ruined? In some very > few cases they may have been. But in most cases they were fixable with > another doctor. Or did your babies feet have to be castrated due to his > malpractice? I am only thinking from a lawyer or judges point of view. > > Just another way of looking at it. Believe me, I am with you and I'm sure > many others on this board, about wanting to do something more about bad > clubfoot treatment from previous doctors. I think the only way or best > way to go about it is to try to educate those doctors more about the > Ponseti Method. There are many that have huge egos and won't take > constructive criticism, but you have to keep trying in hopes they will > come around someday. > > > Shook > Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor > Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. > 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 > Vienna, VA 22182 > x374 > x374 > fax > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 , That letter was great! Very well put...You expressed your feelings without telling him off. Re: Another question... Anne, After we switched doctors, I sent my original ortho a letter stating why we switched. I will paste it below to give you some ideas. Just some background: the FAB/DBB was slipping off her feet constantly and our doc did nothing to help us or guide us. At one point he told us to take her socks off to help keep her feet from slipping. So naive us listened to him thinking doc knows best. Well in less than 24 hours had blisters the size of M&M's all over her feet. It was aweful, and I just cried. That still wasn't the end, we went to the orthotist to get some help from him and he recommended the AFO's (big no-no w/Ponseti Method). So again, naive us thought how great they would be and easier things would be for not knowing she would eventually relapse. Finally I had enough and found this site-Thank Goodness!!! So now we go to one of the best, next to Ponseti. August 24, 2004 L. Hanway, M.D. Commonwealth Orthopaedics & Rehabilitation 8501 Arlington Blvd. Suite 400 Fairfax, VA 22031 Dear Dr. Hanway: With keeping our best interest for our child in mind, we have decided to continue treatment for Shook elsewhere. After doing in depth research on clubfoot and the Ponseti Method treatment of clubfoot, we felt she was not getting optimum results. We have started treatment with Dr. Herzenberg in Baltimore, MD. I am sure you are aware of his credentials and expertise in clubfoot treatment and limb lengthening. At 's first visit with Dr. Herzenberg, he spent an hour looking carefully at her feet and took extensive x-rays of her feet, and ultimately determined her feet were not completely corrected in the first place and that is part of the reason the shoes and DBB were not staying on. Which, I might add you were absolutely no help to us in that area and recommending us to take her socks off was positively the worst decision you ever made. In addition, the dorsiflexion is not to Dr. Herzenberg's satisfaction either and another tenotomy will have to be performed. is currently in casts again because we are starting over. We have lost 5 months and poor has to go through this all over again. My recommendation to you: I contacted Dr. Ponseti himself and he has no knowledge of you nor are you listed on his website as an authorized doctor to use his method. If I were you, I would contact Dr. Ponseti himself and do what he recommends to be apart of his forum. In fact he is having another conference in November. I truly believe you understand the positive results of the Ponseti Method and choose to practice it, however, you need to fine-tune your efforts and physically study this method more closely so patients like do not have to go through this process again, relapse or have future surgery(ies). Good luck to you on your future endeavors. Sincerely, and Shook Since that letter, I also wrote to Dr. Ponseti to let him know Dr. Hanway was butchering his method. Dr. Ponseti personally sent Dr. Hanway a letter leaving me anonymous. Dr. Ponseti recently followed-up with me stating he never received a response from Dr. Hanway. I told him I wasn't surprised. Some of these doctors have some nerve!! Meanwhile, there are several parents and babies who have left Dr. Hanway and switched to Dr. Herzenberg because Hanway was butchering their childrens feet. To answer your ultimate question; no I have not filed for malpractice. Even though he has terrorized some clubfeet, the fact of the matter is, clubfoot treatment is such a small part of his practice in the grand scheme of things. Pediatric Orthos do so many other treatments: broken bones, sprains, hip displacia, scoliosis, etc, etc. Honestly, how do we know for sure if one of those other areas is his area of expertise or specialties? Obviously clubfoot isn't. I think it would take a lot of research to ultimately determine if he is unfit to practice. And, as sad as this is to say, were our babies feet permanently ruined? In some very few cases they may have been. But in most cases they were fixable with another doctor. Or did your babies feet have to be castrated due to his malpractice? I am only thinking from a lawyer or judges point of view. Just another way of looking at it. Believe me, I am with you and I'm sure many others on this board, about wanting to do something more about bad clubfoot treatment from previous doctors. I think the only way or best way to go about it is to try to educate those doctors more about the Ponseti Method. There are many that have huge egos and won't take constructive criticism, but you have to keep trying in hopes they will come around someday. Shook Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 Vienna, VA 22182 x374 x374 fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Thanks . Too bad the letters don't always work. But, it doesn't hurt to keep trying. Please write some letters to your old orthos.........they might actually listen and learn something and possibly consider trying the Ponseti method. Shook Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 Vienna, VA 22182 x374 x374 fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Thanks ! If I stated what I really wanted to say, he would have egged my house! Or worse. Shook Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc. 2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500 Vienna, VA 22182 x374 x374 fax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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