Re: Can federal health plans be legally compelled to cover (or conside

June 24, 2006

Except that if Tishcon's claim is correct that it's CoQ10 is absorbed at

3 times or more than any other CoQ10 you should be able to get much more

bang for the same buck and use a lot less. For instance, someone I

spoke with at Tishcon said that 400 mg of their CoQ10 Q-gel is

equivalent to the 1,200 mg. of other CoQ10 used in some studies. Even

factoring in this 3 to 1 equivalent (assuming for the moment that this

is true) Puritan Pride's current sale would come out a little better

deal, but wonder if it's worth it. Had long conversation with the owner

or technical guy at Beyond A Century who said there are things you can

take that can greatly increase the absorbability, like lecithan, medium

chain triglycerides, buperine (sp?), fat and vit. E. Perhaps taking

CoQ10 with some or all of these things might significantly reduce that 3

plus to one gap. He also questioned (naturally) the way some of the

studies were done that showed such a big advantage for the Q Gel. I

asked for and got some of those studies in the mail today. One looked

pretty good as far as I could tell, but 1 or 2 others were a little

suspicious since it seemed the investigator had present or past ties to

Tishcon.

Isn't there any guidance on the CoQ10 question from the neuros, the

researchers who have been using it or organizations like the Mito

Foundation or MDA? It seems to me, for instance, that many people with

diseases MDA represents probably have been taking CoQ10 for some time,

so one might think they could offer some guidance in this area or point

to who could. My neuro said he didn't think it mattered what brand of

CoQ10, but didn't get the feeling he's that knowledgeable about things

like the absorption or bioavailability issue.

Then there's also the question of whether Idebenone (sp?) can be

substituted for CoQ10, since it can be considerably cheaper. Guy at

Beyond A Century says some people take some of both.

Randall

>

> > Tishcon already does this - 10% discount with mito

> > diagnosis. I'm not

> > sure about getting it with a suspected diagnosis.

>

> It's still far less expensive to purchase it at

> discount stores.

>

> Mom to the two best kids in the world!

> http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/thomasandkatie

>

> __________________________________________________

>

June 25, 2006

--- startfromscratch05 ranbo1@...> wrote:

> Isn't there any guidance on the CoQ10 question from

> the neuros, the

> researchers who have been using it or organizations

> like the Mito

> Foundation or MDA? It seems to me, for instance,

> that many people with

> diseases MDA represents probably have been taking

> CoQ10 for some time,

> so one might think they could offer some guidance in

> this area or point

> to who could.

The only talk I heard about this at the conference was

that there just isn't enough info out there to tell if

it is better to use Tishon's product or not. I think

that right now there's just not enough evidence that

it's better. Also, those with FODs may want to stay

away from Tishon's brand as it contains much more fat

than powdered brands.

Mom to the two best kids in the world!

http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/thomasandkatie

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June 25, 2006

,

Tishcon also has liquid and chewable forms of their Q-Gel that doens't

contain the oil that the gelcaps do.

Van Verst wrote:

>

> --- startfromscratch05 ranbo1@...

> > wrote:

>

> > Isn't there any guidance on the CoQ10 question from

> > the neuros, the

> > researchers who have been using it or organizations

> > like the Mito

> > Foundation or MDA? It seems to me, for instance,

> > that many people with

> > diseases MDA represents probably have been taking

> > CoQ10 for some time,

> > so one might think they could offer some guidance in

> > this area or point

> > to who could.

>

> The only talk I heard about this at the conference was

> that there just isn't enough info out there to tell if

> it is better to use Tishon's product or not. I think

> that right now there's just not enough evidence that

> it's better. Also, those with FODs may want to stay

> away from Tishon's brand as it contains much more fat

> than powdered brands.

>

> Mom to the two best kids in the world!

> http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/thomasandkatie

> http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/thomasandkatie>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

June 25, 2006

--- dgregori dgregori@...> wrote:

> ,

>

> Tishcon also has liquid and chewable forms of their

> Q-Gel that doens't

> contain the oil that the gelcaps do.

>

Yes, I know but it's very expensive and the chewables

taste terrible. I'm using them right now because I got

samples at the conference but my son refuses to take

them. The liquid is a lot to take for our dose and

again it's all so expensive.

Mom to the two best kids in the world!

http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/thomasandkatie

__________________________________________________

June 25, 2006

I think this is another reason that each of us needs to take what is

best for them and perhaps why docs don't recommend one brand over

another. I took Puritan's Pride brand for quite a while until I found

out about the Q-Gel by Tishcon. I personally feel so much better on the

Q-Gel, that I wouldn't stop taking it and I don't have to take as much

as I did of the Puritan's Pride. I think the chewable tastes rather

good, but again, we are all different and need to go with what works

best for each of us. I know of some folks on the list that take the

Puritan's Pride brand because they felt sicker with the Q-Gel brand than

the Puritan's Pride brand. Since none of us motablize things the same

way, no one brand is going to be best for all of us. Just my opinion.

Van Verst wrote:

>

> --- dgregori dgregori@...

> > wrote:

>

> > ,

> >

> > Tishcon also has liquid and chewable forms of their

> > Q-Gel that doens't

> > contain the oil that the gelcaps do.

> >

>

> Yes, I know but it's very expensive and the chewables

> taste terrible. I'm using them right now because I got

> samples at the conference but my son refuses to take

> them. The liquid is a lot to take for our dose and

> again it's all so expensive.

>

> Mom to the two best kids in the world!

> http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/thomasandkatie

> http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/thomasandkatie>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

June 25, 2006

Does it matter if one takes all the CoQ10 at one time or is it better to space

it out through the day? Wondering because pricewise it's better to buy the

higher dose (for Puritan's the 400 mg) but wonder if it would be better to split

that up if that was going to be the dose for the day.

Thanks

Randall

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