Sleep Loss and Muscle Aches?

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When I don't get enough sleep, all my muscles ache. Does anyone know

why this happens or if anything can be done about the aching?

Magnesium is one thought I've had. I've also wondered if the aching is

similar to the lactic acid build up that people feel after strenuous

exercise. If so, would there be a reason why sleep loss would prompt

lactic acid build up? And again, if so, what to do? I'd really

appreciate any ideas/experience.

Best,

Shayna

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Shayna

All my symtoms are worse when I don't get enough sleep. I think it is

an cellular energy thing with me. My mito don't have long enough to

recover. When I have severe cramping during the night and have to be

up, I have to fit a nap in somehow or all kinds of things get worse.

Good luck figureing it out.

laurie

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> When I don't get enough sleep, all my muscles ache. Does anyone know

> why this happens or if anything can be done about the aching?

> Magnesium is one thought I've had. I've also wondered if the aching is

> similar to the lactic acid build up that people feel after strenuous

> exercise. If so, would there be a reason why sleep loss would prompt

> lactic acid build up? And again, if so, what to do? I'd really

> appreciate any ideas/experience.

> Best,

> Shayna

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Hi! Shayna, I was still having lots of muscle pain at nights & only sleeping 2

to 3 hours a night. Since being prescribed a sleeping pill Amitriptalyne I am

now getting 4-5 hours sleep. My muscle pain has decreased significantly also my

eye pain. The latest test showed the Mito cocktail I was taking had improved the

muscles ability to take up oxygen so I should have been getting bettter. It was

assumed that sleep deprevation could be contributing to the problem,thus the

sleeping pills. If you can concentrate on you sleeping problem maybe you will

have some luck.

Best of luck. Ritson

shaynapearl happyclam8@...> wrote: When I don't get enough

sleep, all my muscles ache. Does anyone know

why this happens or if anything can be done about the aching?

Magnesium is one thought I've had. I've also wondered if the aching is

similar to the lactic acid build up that people feel after strenuous

exercise. If so, would there be a reason why sleep loss would prompt

lactic acid build up? And again, if so, what to do? I'd really

appreciate any ideas/experience.

Best,

Shayna

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Hi ,

Amitriptalyne is not a sleeping pill. It is an anti-depressant. It may help you

to achieve better sleep but it main use is an anti-depressant. It is also

prescribed for people who have pain.

What kind of test did you have that showed your muscles ability to get more

oxygen? I am interested in this test.

I am glad that the Amitriptalyne is helping with your sleep.

Ann-Marie

Re: Sleep Loss and Muscle Aches?

Hi! Shayna, I was still having lots of muscle pain at nights & only sleeping 2

to 3 hours a night. Since being prescribed a sleeping pill Amitriptalyne I am

now getting 4-5 hours sleep. My muscle pain has decreased significantly also my

eye pain. The latest test showed the Mito cocktail I was taking had improved the

muscles ability to take up oxygen so I should have been getting bettter. It was

assumed that sleep deprevation could be contributing to the problem,thus the

sleeping pills. If you can concentrate on you sleeping problem maybe you will

have some luck.

Best of luck. Ritson shaynapearl happyclam8@...> wrote: When I

don't get enough sleep, all my muscles ache. Does anyone know

why this happens or if anything can be done about the aching?

Magnesium is one thought I've had. I've also wondered if the aching is

similar to the lactic acid build up that people feel after strenuous

exercise. If so, would there be a reason why sleep loss would prompt

lactic acid build up? And again, if so, what to do? I'd really

appreciate any ideas/experience.

Best,

Shayna

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Hi Shayna,

My muscles also ache much more when I don't get enough quality sleep. I think it

is the body's way of telling you to slow down and rest.

Do you have high levels of lactic acid? If so this could be the reason your

muscles are aching so much. I have very high levels( above the high normal's)

usually they come at 24. Maybe you should have your doctor write a script for

you to have your lactic acid levels checked.

Magnesium is thought to help with muscle cramping, but I wouldn't start it

without some testing and of course your doctors approval.

Good luck!! If you figure it all out let us know!!

Ann-Marie

Sleep Loss and Muscle Aches?

When I don't get enough sleep, all my muscles ache. Does anyone know

why this happens or if anything can be done about the aching?

Magnesium is one thought I've had. I've also wondered if the aching is

similar to the lactic acid build up that people feel after strenuous

exercise. If so, would there be a reason why sleep loss would prompt

lactic acid build up? And again, if so, what to do? I'd really

appreciate any ideas/experience.

Best,

Shayna

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I take 25 mgs amitriptalyne at night for pain and getting rid of the pain helps

you sleep so its a sleep aide pill, except for last night...for some reason

sleep alluded me. I think I still haven't quite got my mind around what is

going on with me. For years I wanted to know what was going on with me and now

that I know I seem at a loss about it. Well at least I have been vindicated...

Its wasn't all in my head thank you!!!!! Oh yea... I don't think

Amitriptalyne is used as an anti-deppresant very often... it is most often

prescribed as pain pill and sleep aide as there are better anti-depressents

available these days. Cody When I don't get enough sleep,

all my muscles ache. Does anyone knowwhy this happens or if anything can be done

about the aching?Magnesium is one thought I've had. I've also wondered if the

aching issimilar to the lactic acid build up that people feel after

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Hi Ann-Marie, I was given an exercise test on a stationay bike wearing a mask &

hooked up with a heart monitor. My initial test was performed along with my

muscle biopsy,blood tests & nerve conduction tests. My diagnosis was

Mitochondrial Cytopathy Complex 2/3. My most recent exercise test was 4 months

later (June 2006) which showed the improvement. As I had got worse over the 4

months with almost no tolerance to exercise I was given the Amitriptalyne. I did

improve gradually stating to walk the 15 minutes to work both ways each day. I

pushed myself too much last weekend so I' m now going backwards. I still haven't

come to terms with my limitations.

peetie peetie@...> wrote:

Hi ,

Amitriptalyne is not a sleeping pill. It is an anti-depressant. It may help you

to achieve better sleep but it main use is an anti-depressant. It is also

prescribed for people who have pain.

What kind of test did you have that showed your muscles ability to get more

oxygen? I am interested in this test.

I am glad that the Amitriptalyne is helping with your sleep.

Ann-Marie

Re: Sleep Loss and Muscle Aches?

Hi! Shayna, I was still having lots of muscle pain at nights & only sleeping 2

to 3 hours a night. Since being prescribed a sleeping pill Amitriptalyne I am

now getting 4-5 hours sleep. My muscle pain has decreased significantly also my

eye pain. The latest test showed the Mito cocktail I was taking had improved the

muscles ability to take up oxygen so I should have been getting bettter. It was

assumed that sleep deprevation could be contributing to the problem,thus the

sleeping pills. If you can concentrate on you sleeping problem maybe you will

have some luck.

Best of luck. Ritson shaynapearl happyclam8@...> wrote: When I don't

get enough sleep, all my muscles ache. Does anyone know

why this happens or if anything can be done about the aching?

Magnesium is one thought I've had. I've also wondered if the aching is

similar to the lactic acid build up that people feel after strenuous

exercise. If so, would there be a reason why sleep loss would prompt

lactic acid build up? And again, if so, what to do? I'd really

appreciate any ideas/experience.

Best,

Shayna

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Hi Ann-Marie, I was given an exercise test on a stationay bike wearing a mask &

hooked up with a heart monitor. My initial test was performed along with my

muscle biopsy,blood tests & nerve conduction tests. My diagnosis was

Mitochondrial Cytopathy Complex 2/3. My most recent exercise test was 4 months

later (June 2006) which showed the improvement. As I had got worse over the 4

months with almost no tolerance to exercise I was given the Amitriptalyne. I did

improve gradually stating to walk the 15 minutes to work both ways each day. I

pushed myself too much last weekend so I' m now going backwards. I still haven't

come to terms with my limitations.

peetie peetie@...> wrote:

Hi ,

Amitriptalyne is not a sleeping pill. It is an anti-depressant. It may help you

to achieve better sleep but it main use is an anti-depressant. It is also

prescribed for people who have pain.

What kind of test did you have that showed your muscles ability to get more

oxygen? I am interested in this test.

I am glad that the Amitriptalyne is helping with your sleep.

Ann-Marie

Re: Sleep Loss and Muscle Aches?

Hi! Shayna, I was still having lots of muscle pain at nights & only sleeping 2

to 3 hours a night. Since being prescribed a sleeping pill Amitriptalyne I am

now getting 4-5 hours sleep. My muscle pain has decreased significantly also my

eye pain. The latest test showed the Mito cocktail I was taking had improved the

muscles ability to take up oxygen so I should have been getting bettter. It was

assumed that sleep deprevation could be contributing to the problem,thus the

sleeping pills. If you can concentrate on you sleeping problem maybe you will

have some luck.

Best of luck. Ritson shaynapearl happyclam8@...> wrote: When I don't

get enough sleep, all my muscles ache. Does anyone know

why this happens or if anything can be done about the aching?

Magnesium is one thought I've had. I've also wondered if the aching is

similar to the lactic acid build up that people feel after strenuous

exercise. If so, would there be a reason why sleep loss would prompt

lactic acid build up? And again, if so, what to do? I'd really

appreciate any ideas/experience.

Best,

Shayna

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Hi ,

Thank you for the info on the test you had. I am glad that you are improving.

Limitations are hard to deal with. When we can no longer do certain things due

to this disease it feels like a death. It is hard to cope when we can no longer

do the things we used to love to do. What I found that is helpful is to try to

find a way to still do what we love with assistance, whether that be a scooter,

wheelchair, canes, etc... Of course there are things that we can't do any longer

and there is no way to comprise for us to be able to do those things again. It

is truly a loss and one that takes a long time to overcome.

What limitations are you dealing with right now? Maybe we can help you!!

Ann-Marie

Re: Sleep Loss and Muscle Aches?

Hi! Shayna, I was still having lots of muscle pain at nights & only sleeping 2

to 3 hours a night. Since being prescribed a sleeping pill Amitriptalyne I am

now getting 4-5 hours sleep. My muscle pain has decreased significantly also my

eye pain. The latest test showed the Mito cocktail I was taking had improved the

muscles ability to take up oxygen so I should have been getting bettter. It was

assumed that sleep deprevation could be contributing to the problem,thus the

sleeping pills. If you can concentrate on you sleeping problem maybe you will

have some luck.

Best of luck. Ritson shaynapearl happyclam8@...> wrote: When I

don't get enough sleep, all my muscles ache. Does anyone know

why this happens or if anything can be done about the aching?

Magnesium is one thought I've had. I've also wondered if the aching is

similar to the lactic acid build up that people feel after strenuous

exercise. If so, would there be a reason why sleep loss would prompt

lactic acid build up? And again, if so, what to do? I'd really

appreciate any ideas/experience.

Best,

Shayna

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Hi Ann-Marie, The short term limitations I'm experiancing is the total

unpredictable way I'm going to feel on a day to day basis. Today for instance

I'm at work not feeling to good,extremely tired not so sharp mentally and some

low grade pain & sore eyes. I walked the 15 minutes to work this morning,what I

don't know if that is why. So do I go back to going to work in the car. But I

want to exercise & not every walk to work is followed by a bad day. I had to

give up my golf but I have accepted that. The biggest thing I feel bad about is

the affect on my wife. If I'm curtailed then so is she. The long term

limitations are planning for the future. I have 2 very important decisions to

make soon. One is early retirement & working from home at my own business. If I

do this & can't work in the future I'll not have enough to live on. If I stay at

work beyond the end of 2007 I lose my health benefits if I retire after that.

The other is selling my house to move into something

smaller.We prosponed it this year as I don't know if I'll need a bungalow in

the future. Sorry for the rant I know Im much better off than most here I'm just

letting off some steam, Thanks to the group.

peetie peetie@...> wrote:

Hi ,

Thank you for the info on the test you had. I am glad that you are improving.

Limitations are hard to deal with. When we can no longer do certain things due

to this disease it feels like a death. It is hard to cope when we can no longer

do the things we used to love to do. What I found that is helpful is to try to

find a way to still do what we love with assistance, whether that be a scooter,

wheelchair, canes, etc... Of course there are things that we can't do any longer

and there is no way to comprise for us to be able to do those things again. It

is truly a loss and one that takes a long time to overcome.

What limitations are you dealing with right now? Maybe we can help you!!

Ann-Marie

Re: Sleep Loss and Muscle Aches?

Hi! Shayna, I was still having lots of muscle pain at nights & only sleeping 2

to 3 hours a night. Since being prescribed a sleeping pill Amitriptalyne I am

now getting 4-5 hours sleep. My muscle pain has decreased significantly also my

eye pain. The latest test showed the Mito cocktail I was taking had improved the

muscles ability to take up oxygen so I should have been getting bettter. It was

assumed that sleep deprevation could be contributing to the problem,thus the

sleeping pills. If you can concentrate on you sleeping problem maybe you will

have some luck.

Best of luck. Ritson shaynapearl happyclam8@...> wrote: When I don't

get enough sleep, all my muscles ache. Does anyone know

why this happens or if anything can be done about the aching?

Magnesium is one thought I've had. I've also wondered if the aching is

similar to the lactic acid build up that people feel after strenuous

exercise. If so, would there be a reason why sleep loss would prompt

lactic acid build up? And again, if so, what to do? I'd really

appreciate any ideas/experience.

Best,

Shayna

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I am so sorry you are facing all these decisions. They are not easy

questions to answer. You have to be ready for the changes both

emotionally and physically. I had to face the retirement issue not

long ago and had to wait until I was ready, but that time did come.

You are being forced into a quicker decision and it has to be hard.

My thoughts are with you.

laurie

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> Hi Ann-Marie, The short term limitations I'm experiancing is the total

> unpredictable way I'm going to feel on a day to day basis. Today for

> instance I'm at work not feeling to good,extremely tired not so sharp

> mentally and some low grade pain & sore eyes. I walked the 15 minutes to

> work this morning,what I don't know if that is why. So do I go back to going

> to work in the car. But I want to exercise & not every walk to work is

> followed by a bad day. I had to give up my golf but I have accepted that.

> The biggest thing I feel bad about is the affect on my wife. If I'm

> curtailed then so is she. The long term limitations are planning for the

> future. I have 2 very important decisions to make soon. One is early

> retirement & working from home at my own business. If I do this & can't work

> in the future I'll not have enough to live on. If I stay at work beyond the

> end of 2007 I lose my health benefits if I retire after that. The other is

> selling my house to move into something

> smaller.We prosponed it this year as I don't know if I'll need a bungalow

> in the future. Sorry for the rant I know Im much better off than most here

> I'm just letting off some steam, Thanks to the group.

>

>

> peetie peetie@...> wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> Thank you for the info on the test you had. I am glad that you are

> improving.

>

> Limitations are hard to deal with. When we can no longer do certain things

> due to this disease it feels like a death. It is hard to cope when we can no

> longer do the things we used to love to do. What I found that is helpful is

> to try to find a way to still do what we love with assistance, whether that

> be a scooter, wheelchair, canes, etc... Of course there are things that we

> can't do any longer and there is no way to comprise for us to be able to do

> those things again. It is truly a loss and one that takes a long time to

> overcome.

>

> What limitations are you dealing with right now? Maybe we can help you!!

>

> Ann-Marie

>

> Re: Sleep Loss and Muscle Aches?

>

> Hi! Shayna, I was still having lots of muscle pain at nights & only

> sleeping 2 to 3 hours a night. Since being prescribed a sleeping pill

> Amitriptalyne I am now getting 4-5 hours sleep. My muscle pain has decreased

> significantly also my eye pain. The latest test showed the Mito cocktail I

> was taking had improved the muscles ability to take up oxygen so I should

> have been getting bettter. It was assumed that sleep deprevation could be

> contributing to the problem,thus the sleeping pills. If you can concentrate

> on you sleeping problem maybe you will have some luck.

> Best of luck. Ritson shaynapearl happyclam8@...> wrote: When I

> don't get enough sleep, all my muscles ache. Does anyone know

> why this happens or if anything can be done about the aching?

> Magnesium is one thought I've had. I've also wondered if the aching is

> similar to the lactic acid build up that people feel after strenuous

> exercise. If so, would there be a reason why sleep loss would prompt

> lactic acid build up? And again, if so, what to do? I'd really

> appreciate any ideas/experience.

> Best,

> Shayna

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Hi Shayna,

Nice name. :-)

I have muscle aches a lot too. I have never had a test that showed

lactic acid buildup though. Yes, sleep is part of what helps and

strangely enough, when I overdo it and do too much, it disrupts my

sleep. Such a darn balancing act, like a juggler with a blindfold.

[g] I also get stiffness in my muscles, tightening, weakness, and

nerve ending

pain.

I have had a sleep study done and I have a sleep disorder. I wake up

about 16x an hour all night without knowing it evidently. My

breathing stops sometimes I guess and it wakes me up. They

recommended one of those CPap machines but after trying it for quite

awhile, it was just giving me headaches and waking me up after 3 hrs

every night. How do they expect you to sleep with that contraption on

your head?

My best night sleeps are 5hrs. Occassionally 6. Sometimes I get a

half hour to an hour nap during the day, but not very often.

Sometimes when I wake up, I feel like I have slept well and feel

refreshed, other times I feel just as bad if not worse than before I

went to sleep.

I tried sleeping pills at one time. Ambien. I have tried them a few

times and they were my safety pill, for times when I could not sleep

at all. Then I figured out that the Ambien was actually causing nerve

pain. I had been having trouble sleeping, so I started having to take

the pills every night. I started noticing nerve ending pain, that was

everywhere and increasing despite resting and resting. Of course at

the time, I didn't make the connection.

After about 3 months of that, I was disgusted and thought I was just

progressing to a new permanent situation with the nerve pain, although

in the past it was episodic. I was trying to figure out what was

provoking the nerve pain and nothing I tried seem to help it.

All during this time, I had started getting in the habit of using the

Ambien and had gotten to the point of needing to increase the dose and

not being able to sleep without it. I never let that situation stand

so I decided to just stop taking it and ride out the couple of nights

of no sleep. After a week of being off the Ambien the nuero pain

started to clear up and pretty soon it was history.

I was so thrilled to figure out what was doing it, and fascinated

actually, because, if the Ambien could provoke the nerve pain, maybe

it would tell me something to figure out what exactly the Ambien was

doing in my body. I assume it is fooling around with the

neurotransmitters, but I haven't done the research yet.

Now I have gone back to my old standby, taking melatonin at night. One

sublingual 1mg tab at night 30 mins before I want to fall asleep and

that usually does the trick. Other things also influence it..

Caffeine, stress, will decrease sleep and fight the melatonin

The right amount of sunshine and exercise during the day will increase

sleep and deepen it and help the melatonin work well.

I still get muscle aches when I overuse any muscle, when I do too much

overall activity and drain myself of energy, if I do too little or too

much physical activity, and when I am not eating right. Actually,

overusing my brain is a big no no. Too much TV, too much computer,

will start throwing a monkey wrench into everything from sleep to

muscle pain. Makes sense though when you think about it. Your brain

is involved in all of that.

Things that help...gentle massage, showers, shower heads with water

massage, resting the aching muscle group and then getting back gently

to the right amount of activity, sweating seems to remove something

that I assume accumulates and increases pain/etc after activity.

Too much typing, too much TV are my big temptations...I try to rotate

activities through the day and limit the amount of time spent doing

any one thing.

Hope some little piece of information helps you. :-)

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> When I don't get enough sleep, all my muscles ache. Does anyone know

> why this happens or if anything can be done about the aching?

> Magnesium is one thought I've had. I've also wondered if the aching is

> similar to the lactic acid build up that people feel after strenuous

> exercise. If so, would there be a reason why sleep loss would prompt

> lactic acid build up? And again, if so, what to do? I'd really

> appreciate any ideas/experience.

> Best,

> Shayna

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