RE: I am at the end of my rope

[Guest guest]

Wow, . I wonder what is bothering him. Have you gone through the

check list, bar length, heel down, etc...? The DBB didn't bother him

before when you were doing 23/7?

We have had no change in 's sleeping pattern since the reduced hours.

You would think he would be a happy camper! I'm sorry I don't have much

advice. Hang in there!

Shook

Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor

Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc.

2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500

Vienna, VA 22182

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fax

[Guest guest]

Yep, I checked everything! It makes no sense to me at all! The only thing

that I could imagine is that he likes the freedom during the day and wants

to keep it that way. I am going to have to let him scream it out I guess.

That is great that stayed the same with sleeping. I thought they all

would sleep BETTER!

Mommy to (12-17-98) and

Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB (nights only)

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From: susan.shook@...

Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 9:49 AM

To: nosurgery4clubfoot

Subject: Re: I am at the end of my rope

Wow, . I wonder what is bothering him. Have you gone through the

check list, bar length, heel down, etc...? The DBB didn't bother him

before when you were doing 23/7?

We have had no change in 's sleeping pattern since the reduced hours.

You would think he would be a happy camper! I'm sorry I don't have much

advice. Hang in there!

Shook

Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor

Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc.

2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500

Vienna, VA 22182

x374

x374

fax

[Guest guest]

If you positively, positively, know nothing is wrong. I recommend letting

him CIO. You can start with the Ferber Method if you need to.

Shook

Retail Operations Manager/Baking Instructor

Vie de France Yamazaki, Inc.

2070 Chain Bridge Rd. Suite 500

Vienna, VA 22182

x374

x374

fax

[Guest guest]

Yes. We are intimately familiar. We also had the 'symptom' of pushing

herself up the bed. Like she was trying to get away from something. Her shoes.

She used to love them. But when we reduced hours she started relapsing. This

caused her feet to hurt in her shoes. We noted that if we took her shoes off,

she slept peacefully. ( Brilliant parents, aren't we? LOL) Seems as soon as

her feet were corrected again, no more screaming. Nada. The nights only thing

allowed her feet to relapse. You might check that out.

Chris

I am at the end of my rope

Ever since we have been given " nights only " with the DBB our nights have

been HELL!!!!! I cannot take it any longer. Christian is getting up every

two hours! 11:00 p.m., 1:00 a.m., 3:00 a.m. and 5:00 a.m.!!!!!!!! He isn't

hungry or sick and when he wakes up crying he SCREAMS for more than an hour

unless I go in and console him! I feel like I am losing my mind. What is

going on? Anyone experience such a dramatic change?????

Mommy to (12-17-98) and

Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB (nights only)

[Guest guest]

,

In my opinion, and it's just my opinion, CIO isn't for me. IF they need you,

they need you. That's what being a parent is. While you may perceive that as a

bit AP, children learn what the world will deal them by their parents reactions.

If their needs aren't met, they learn they can't trust. They feel abandoned.

They don't know if they are going to be taken care of or not. In my mind,

that's not a good place to put an infant or child. Ferber may have a wonderful

following, but I've been in the 'kid business' long enough both professionally

and personally to know that he's not my idea of a wonderful solution. Even

Pantley's book " The No-Cry Sleep Solution: Gentle Ways to Help Your

Baby Sleep Through the Nght " has a better, less cruel, less grueling approach.

I'm looking for a 'paper' (I use that term loosely) that I've seen on the cons

of CIO. If I find it again, I'll post it if anyone is interested.

Chris

PS: In an interview Ferber did with a new parent, he recanted several of his

statements in his book, suggested that he's often taken out of context and that

he regrets writing some broad statements that were accepted at the time. He's

realized that kids need the security of their parents. I have that url saved in

my favorites somewhere if you need me to find that, too.

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[Guest guest]

i agree.... i am, having to do that with grace right now... she is back in full

leg casts on both legs and can't get comfortable at night... but i don't want to

start getting her up and rocking her and start a bad habit so i am stuck also...

and it's horrible to listen to them but may be best... good luck...

mommy to Grace 12-03-03 BCf

susan.shook@... wrote:

If you positively, positively, know nothing is wrong. I recommend letting

him CIO. You can start with the Ferber Method if you need to.

lisa caroland

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[Guest guest]

Does he like the taste of benadryl?

ROFLOL!!! That just cracked me up!!!

Chris

I am at the end of my rope

Ever since we have been given " nights only " with the DBB our nights have

been HELL!!!!! I cannot take it any longer. Christian is getting up every

two hours! 11:00 p.m., 1:00 a.m., 3:00 a.m. and 5:00 a.m.!!!!!!!! He isn't

hungry or sick and when he wakes up crying he SCREAMS for more than an hour

unless I go in and console him! I feel like I am losing my mind. What is

going on? Anyone experience such a dramatic change?????

Mommy to (12-17-98) and

Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB (nights only)

[Guest guest]

I'm wondering if he hasn't started to associate bed time with *misery* of the

bar. Maybe if you put the bar on a couple hours before bed time, let him have

some play time in the house wearing it, so bed time and the bar time won't be so

tightly connected in his mind.

Other considerations - is the bar fitting (I'm sure you've checked that).

Is his bed too small for him now? The mattress too hard? His bar hitting sides

of a crib? Have you considered switching up your bed time routine? Does he

like the taste of benadryl? Sorry, couldn't resist, but you seriously might

want to consider that.

s.

I am at the end of my rope

Ever since we have been given " nights only " with the DBB our nights have

been HELL!!!!! I cannot take it any longer. Christian is getting up every

two hours! 11:00 p.m., 1:00 a.m., 3:00 a.m. and 5:00 a.m.!!!!!!!! He isn't

hungry or sick and when he wakes up crying he SCREAMS for more than an hour

unless I go in and console him! I feel like I am losing my mind. What is

going on? Anyone experience such a dramatic change?????

Mommy to (12-17-98) and

Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB (nights only)

[Guest guest]

I was wondering myself - by the birthday on your message he's only about a year

old, isn't he? Isn't that a little young to be down to nights only? Everett is

16 months and still at the 14 hour mark.

s.

Yes. We are intimately familiar. We also had the 'symptom' of pushing

herself up the bed. Like she was trying to get away from something. Her shoes.

She used to love them. But when we reduced hours she started relapsing. This

caused her feet to hurt in her shoes. We noted that if we took her shoes off,

she slept peacefully. ( Brilliant parents, aren't we? LOL) Seems as soon as

her feet were corrected again, no more screaming. Nada. The nights only thing

allowed her feet to relapse. You might check that out.

Chris

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[Guest guest]

I must have missed that conversation. I would have mentioned it then.

Re: I am at the end of my rope

All that said - if CIO isn't good for babies and children, why are we all

telling another parent here leaving them to cry at a baby sitter is OK?

No, I'm not getting on a soap box here, just couldn't help noticing the

contradiction taking place.

,

In my opinion, and it's just my opinion, CIO isn't for me. IF they need you,

they need you. That's what being a parent is. While you may perceive that as a

bit AP, children learn what the world will deal them by their parents reactions.

If their needs aren't met, they learn they can't trust. They feel abandoned.

They don't know if they are going to be taken care of or not. In my mind,

that's not a good place to put an infant or child. Ferber may have a wonderful

following, but I've been in the 'kid business' long enough both professionally

and personally to know that he's not my idea of a wonderful solution. Even

Pantley's book " The No-Cry Sleep Solution: Gentle Ways to Help Your

Baby Sleep Through the Nght " has a better, less cruel, less grueling approach.

I'm looking for a 'paper' (I use that term loosely) that I've seen on the cons

of CIO. If I find it again, I'll post it if anyone is interested.

Chris

PS: In an interview Ferber did with a new parent, he recanted several of his

statements in his book, suggested that he's often taken out of context and that

he regrets writing some broad statements that were accepted at the time. He's

realized that kids need the security of their parents. I have that url saved in

my favorites somewhere if you need me to find that, too.

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[Guest guest]

All that said - if CIO isn't good for babies and children, why are we all

telling another parent here leaving them to cry at a baby sitter is OK?

No, I'm not getting on a soap box here, just couldn't help noticing the

contradiction taking place.

,

In my opinion, and it's just my opinion, CIO isn't for me. IF they need you,

they need you. That's what being a parent is. While you may perceive that as a

bit AP, children learn what the world will deal them by their parents reactions.

If their needs aren't met, they learn they can't trust. They feel abandoned.

They don't know if they are going to be taken care of or not. In my mind,

that's not a good place to put an infant or child. Ferber may have a wonderful

following, but I've been in the 'kid business' long enough both professionally

and personally to know that he's not my idea of a wonderful solution. Even

Pantley's book " The No-Cry Sleep Solution: Gentle Ways to Help Your

Baby Sleep Through the Nght " has a better, less cruel, less grueling approach.

I'm looking for a 'paper' (I use that term loosely) that I've seen on the cons

of CIO. If I find it again, I'll post it if anyone is interested.

Chris

PS: In an interview Ferber did with a new parent, he recanted several of his

statements in his book, suggested that he's often taken out of context and that

he regrets writing some broad statements that were accepted at the time. He's

realized that kids need the security of their parents. I have that url saved in

my favorites somewhere if you need me to find that, too.

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[Guest guest]

Ha, glad I could give you some cheer!

s.

Does he like the taste of benadryl?

ROFLOL!!! That just cracked me up!!!

Chris

I am at the end of my rope

Ever since we have been given " nights only " with the DBB our nights have

been HELL!!!!! I cannot take it any longer. Christian is getting up every

two hours! 11:00 p.m., 1:00 a.m., 3:00 a.m. and 5:00 a.m.!!!!!!!! He isn't

hungry or sick and when he wakes up crying he SCREAMS for more than an hour

unless I go in and console him! I feel like I am losing my mind. What is

going on? Anyone experience such a dramatic change?????

Mommy to (12-17-98) and

Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB (nights only)

[Guest guest]

,

How long has this been going on? Did you decrease dramatically from

say 16-18hrs. to just nights? Is he really screaming like he is in

pain? When you do go comfort him is it still hard for him to get

back to sleep? I'm certainly no expert but if that is the case I

would agree with that it sounds like the shoes are hurting him

which could be a sign of possible relapse. On the other hand, if he

is going right back to sleep after you come in to comfort him it

could be just a growth spurt, coupled w/ a the changes in his routine

are causing him to wake at night. Also, did you consider the good

old culprit to baby crying (not cf related) -- teething?? Just

wondering...

-- In nosurgery4clubfoot , " " wrote:

> Yes. We are intimately familiar. We also had the 'symptom' of

pushing herself up the bed. Like she was trying to get away

from something. Her shoes. She used to love them. But when we

reduced hours she started relapsing. This caused her feet to hurt in

her shoes. We noted that if we took her shoes off, she slept

peacefully. ( Brilliant parents, aren't we? LOL) Seems as soon as

her feet were corrected again, no more screaming. Nada. The nights

only thing allowed her feet to relapse. You might check that out.

> Chris

> I am at the end of my rope

>

>

> Ever since we have been given " nights only " with the DBB our

nights have

> been HELL!!!!! I cannot take it any longer. Christian is

getting up every

> two hours! 11:00 p.m., 1:00 a.m., 3:00 a.m. and 5:00

a.m.!!!!!!!! He isn't

> hungry or sick and when he wakes up crying he SCREAMS for more

than an hour

> unless I go in and console him! I feel like I am losing my

mind. What is

> going on? Anyone experience such a dramatic change?????

>

>

>

>

>

> Mommy to (12-17-98) and

>

> Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB (nights only)

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I hope thats not true!!! Heck, even Harvard agrees with us! LOL

Re: I am at the end of my rope

I mentioned it off loop. Our views are probably considered a little radical

in that department....

s.

I must have missed that conversation. I would have mentioned it then.

[Guest guest]

I mentioned it off loop. Our views are probably considered a little radical in

that department....

s.

I must have missed that conversation. I would have mentioned it then.

[Guest guest]

I think there's a difference between CIO and leaving a crying child

at preschool or w/ a childcare provider. If you're leaving your

child at daycare and he/she is crying b/c you are leaving, you of

course should try to console them, but sometimes you just have to

leave them in the capable hands of the person you've carefully

(hopefully) chosen to care for your child in your absence. I think

what is trying to say about kids feeling " abandoned " w/ CIO is

true; but leaving them in a good daycare/preschool situation teaches

them independence and if handled correctly shouldn't lead to feelings

of abandonment -- they are being taken care of, just not by the

parent. Just my two cents.

> All that said - if CIO isn't good for babies and children, why are

we all telling another parent here leaving them to cry at a baby

sitter is OK?

> No, I'm not getting on a soap box here, just couldn't help

noticing the contradiction taking place.

>

>

> ,

> In my opinion, and it's just my opinion, CIO isn't for me. IF

they need you, they need you. That's what being a parent is. While

you may perceive that as a bit AP, children learn what the world will

deal them by their parents reactions. If their needs aren't met,

they learn they can't trust. They feel abandoned. They don't know

if they are going to be taken care of or not. In my mind, that's not

a good place to put an infant or child. Ferber may have a wonderful

following, but I've been in the 'kid business' long enough both

professionally and personally to know that he's not my idea of a

wonderful solution. Even Pantley's book " The No-Cry Sleep

Solution: Gentle Ways to Help Your Baby Sleep Through the Nght " has

a better, less cruel, less grueling approach. I'm looking for

a 'paper' (I use that term loosely) that I've seen on the cons of

CIO. If I find it again, I'll post it if anyone is interested.

> Chris

>

> PS: In an interview Ferber did with a new parent, he recanted

several of his statements in his book, suggested that he's often

taken out of context and that he regrets writing some broad

statements that were accepted at the time. He's realized that kids

need the security of their parents. I have that url saved in my

favorites somewhere if you need me to find that, too.

> ----------

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Agree 100% .

Chris

Re: I am at the end of my rope

I think there's a difference between CIO and leaving a crying child

at preschool or w/ a childcare provider. If you're leaving your

child at daycare and he/she is crying b/c you are leaving, you of

course should try to console them, but sometimes you just have to

leave them in the capable hands of the person you've carefully

(hopefully) chosen to care for your child in your absence. I think

what is trying to say about kids feeling " abandoned " w/ CIO is

true; but leaving them in a good daycare/preschool situation teaches

them independence and if handled correctly shouldn't lead to feelings

of abandonment -- they are being taken care of, just not by the

parent. Just my two cents.

> All that said - if CIO isn't good for babies and children, why are

we all telling another parent here leaving them to cry at a baby

sitter is OK?

> No, I'm not getting on a soap box here, just couldn't help

noticing the contradiction taking place.

>

>

> ,

> In my opinion, and it's just my opinion, CIO isn't for me. IF

they need you, they need you. That's what being a parent is. While

you may perceive that as a bit AP, children learn what the world will

deal them by their parents reactions. If their needs aren't met,

they learn they can't trust. They feel abandoned. They don't know

if they are going to be taken care of or not. In my mind, that's not

a good place to put an infant or child. Ferber may have a wonderful

following, but I've been in the 'kid business' long enough both

professionally and personally to know that he's not my idea of a

wonderful solution. Even Pantley's book " The No-Cry Sleep

Solution: Gentle Ways to Help Your Baby Sleep Through the Nght " has

a better, less cruel, less grueling approach. I'm looking for

a 'paper' (I use that term loosely) that I've seen on the cons of

CIO. If I find it again, I'll post it if anyone is interested.

> Chris

>

> PS: In an interview Ferber did with a new parent, he recanted

several of his statements in his book, suggested that he's often

taken out of context and that he regrets writing some broad

statements that were accepted at the time. He's realized that kids

need the security of their parents. I have that url saved in my

favorites somewhere if you need me to find that, too.

> ----------

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Did you go from 23/7 to nights only? If so, that may be too big a step for

him. I think there's something to be said for slowly weaning down, as far

as how the child accepts it. We've never had a problem with that and I

often wonder if it's because she's been so used to wearing it long hours

that by now, at 12-14hr/d she doesn't question it at all. In fact, up

till about 2w ago she's never asked for them off in the morning. Since

then, it's happened twice. Once I told her no, had to wait and the next

time it was about time anyway so I consented. I've never been into the

whole *routine* thing with babies/children but I now realize that there's

obviously a time and place for routines and they do work.

I'm no fan of CIO, not at all. Especially with a child wearing this brace

at night. Part of the reason I'm still night nursing Darbi, when otherwise

I might be really working on night weaning. She wakes because she gets a

little tangled and needs help going back to sleep. I can totally

understand why she'd be more awake and possibly frustrated, so I'm not

really forcing the weaning issue. And CIO isn't my favorite thing unless

everything else has been tried (all comforting tactics).

If you've checked everything and it's all set up like it's supposed to be

and his feet aren't bothering him I don't know what to say. Unless he was

23/7 last week and now less than 12hr/d... maybe bump it up to 16hr/d and

see if that helps him deal. Dunno if it'll work, sorry I'm not more help.

He also may be just experiencing something else, maybe night terrors or leg

cramps? Have you considered taking him to your bed for a few nights, maybe

he won't wake so violently if you're right there?

Kori

At 06:40 AM 2/2/2005, you wrote:

>Ever since we have been given " nights only " with the DBB our nights have

>been HELL!!!!! I cannot take it any longer. Christian is getting up every

>two hours! 11:00 p.m., 1:00 a.m., 3:00 a.m. and 5:00 a.m.!!!!!!!! He isn't

>hungry or sick and when he wakes up crying he SCREAMS for more than an hour

>unless I go in and console him! I feel like I am losing my mind. What is

>going on? Anyone experience such a dramatic change?????

>

>

>

>

>

>Mommy to (12-17-98) and

>

>Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB (nights only)

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, it breaks my heart when he cries at night so I always end up going in

there to console him. I don't know if he will sleep better without the

shoes because I haven't taken them off him at night yet. He has managed to

take them off himself at about 4 or 5 in the morning. When I pick him up

and stand with him on my shoulder he is the most comfortable - whatever that

means for him. Anyway, Dr. Herzenberg lowered his hours from 23/7 to 12

hours at night because of his age. I guess he believes that it would

interrupt him developmentally to wear them longer. THESE KIDS SHOULD COME

WITH HANDBOOKS!!! LOLOL

As far as a growth spurt go, I didn't know it was something that would

bother them at night? Also, teething, I considered that and have put baby

Orajel and given him Tylenol and that didn't change one thing.

He is due for his one year well baby check up and I am going to bring this

up to the doctor to see if there is something that I am missing. I cannot

go on like this much longer.

Thank you for your suggestions.

Mommy to (12-17-98) and

Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB (nights only)

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From:

Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:59 AM

To: nosurgery4clubfoot

Subject: Re: I am at the end of my rope

,

In my opinion, and it's just my opinion, CIO isn't for me. IF they need

you, they need you. That's what being a parent is. While you may perceive

that as a bit AP, children learn what the world will deal them by their

parents reactions. If their needs aren't met, they learn they can't trust.

They feel abandoned. They don't know if they are going to be taken care of

or not. In my mind, that's not a good place to put an infant or child.

Ferber may have a wonderful following, but I've been in the 'kid business'

long enough both professionally and personally to know that he's not my idea

of a wonderful solution. Even Pantley's book " The No-Cry Sleep

Solution: Gentle Ways to Help Your Baby Sleep Through the Nght " has a

better, less cruel, less grueling approach. I'm looking for a 'paper' (I

use that term loosely) that I've seen on the cons of CIO. If I find it

again, I'll post it if anyone is interested.

Chris

PS: In an interview Ferber did with a new parent, he recanted several of

his statements in his book, suggested that he's often taken out of context

and that he regrets writing some broad statements that were accepted at the

time. He's realized that kids need the security of their parents. I have

that url saved in my favorites somewhere if you need me to find that, too.

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[Guest guest]

The comment " when I pick him up and stand with him on my shoulder he is most

comfortable " makes me want to suggest silent reflux. It often bothers kids the

most at night and causes terrible pain. Sitting them upright really helps

because the acid can't climb the esophagus or aspirate in to the lungs. Just a

thought.

Chris

Re: I am at the end of my rope

,

In my opinion, and it's just my opinion, CIO isn't for me. IF they need

you, they need you. That's what being a parent is. While you may perceive

that as a bit AP, children learn what the world will deal them by their

parents reactions. If their needs aren't met, they learn they can't trust.

They feel abandoned. They don't know if they are going to be taken care of

or not. In my mind, that's not a good place to put an infant or child.

Ferber may have a wonderful following, but I've been in the 'kid business'

long enough both professionally and personally to know that he's not my idea

of a wonderful solution. Even Pantley's book " The No-Cry Sleep

Solution: Gentle Ways to Help Your Baby Sleep Through the Nght " has a

better, less cruel, less grueling approach. I'm looking for a 'paper' (I

use that term loosely) that I've seen on the cons of CIO. If I find it

again, I'll post it if anyone is interested.

Chris

PS: In an interview Ferber did with a new parent, he recanted several of

his statements in his book, suggested that he's often taken out of context

and that he regrets writing some broad statements that were accepted at the

time. He's realized that kids need the security of their parents. I have

that url saved in my favorites somewhere if you need me to find that, too.

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[Guest guest]

He had reflux when he was younger. Is there medicine for it if it is the

reflux?

Mommy to (12-17-98) and

Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB (nights only)

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From:

Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 2:48 PM

To: nosurgery4clubfoot

Subject: Re: I am at the end of my rope

The comment " when I pick him up and stand with him on my shoulder he is most

comfortable " makes me want to suggest silent reflux. It often bothers kids

the most at night and causes terrible pain. Sitting them upright really

helps because the acid can't climb the esophagus or aspirate in to the

lungs. Just a thought.

Chris

Re: I am at the end of my rope

,

In my opinion, and it's just my opinion, CIO isn't for me. IF they need

you, they need you. That's what being a parent is. While you may

perceive

that as a bit AP, children learn what the world will deal them by their

parents reactions. If their needs aren't met, they learn they can't

trust.

They feel abandoned. They don't know if they are going to be taken care

of

or not. In my mind, that's not a good place to put an infant or child.

Ferber may have a wonderful following, but I've been in the 'kid business'

long enough both professionally and personally to know that he's not my

idea

of a wonderful solution. Even Pantley's book " The No-Cry Sleep

Solution: Gentle Ways to Help Your Baby Sleep Through the Nght " has a

better, less cruel, less grueling approach. I'm looking for a 'paper' (I

use that term loosely) that I've seen on the cons of CIO. If I find it

again, I'll post it if anyone is interested.

Chris

PS: In an interview Ferber did with a new parent, he recanted several of

his statements in his book, suggested that he's often taken out of context

and that he regrets writing some broad statements that were accepted at

the

time. He's realized that kids need the security of their parents. I have

that url saved in my favorites somewhere if you need me to find that, too.

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[Guest guest]

,

I see the reasoning behind dropping him in hours, but is it really good for

him? Apparently he tolerated 23.7 just fine, and you could do 16 hours

pretty easily by putting them on at 7 and removing them at 11am. Mornings

go by pretty quick around here, so keeping him braced for that long isn't

really hard, even at that age. You could even go run errands during that

time to make it go quicker but if the little ones can learn to crawl, roll

over, cruise, etc. in the brace, why can't an older child do all that and

still learn to walk? Darbi was wearing it that long when she learned to

walk, apparently it didn't hinder her at all. Or you could do nights and

naps, if you wanted to take it off at 9am instead of 11. Get him used to

sleeping with it on again too.

Since there's been such a sudden change in his waking patterns which

coincide with the reduction in hours, it seems to me that the reduction is

the culprit. If you're thinking of upping the hours, you may even want to

consider going back to 23/7 for a few days and then reducing to 16 so he

gets used to it again. I think if it were me, I'd do some deductive

reasoning and put him back in it 23/7 to see if he started sleeping

better. Then I'd have my answer...

good luck to you!

Kori

At 11:37 AM 2/2/2005, you wrote:

>Well, it breaks my heart when he cries at night so I always end up going in

>there to console him. I don't know if he will sleep better without the

>shoes because I haven't taken them off him at night yet. He has managed to

>take them off himself at about 4 or 5 in the morning. When I pick him up

>and stand with him on my shoulder he is the most comfortable - whatever that

>means for him. Anyway, Dr. Herzenberg lowered his hours from 23/7 to 12

>hours at night because of his age. I guess he believes that it would

>interrupt him developmentally to wear them longer. THESE KIDS SHOULD COME

>WITH HANDBOOKS!!! LOLOL

>

>

>

>As far as a growth spurt go, I didn't know it was something that would

>bother them at night? Also, teething, I considered that and have put baby

>Orajel and given him Tylenol and that didn't change one thing.

>

>

>

>He is due for his one year well baby check up and I am going to bring this

>up to the doctor to see if there is something that I am missing. I cannot

>go on like this much longer.

>

>

>

>Thank you for your suggestions.

>

>

>

>

>

>Mommy to (12-17-98) and

>

>Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB (nights only)

>

> _____

>

>From:

>Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:59 AM

>To: nosurgery4clubfoot

>Subject: Re: I am at the end of my rope

>

>

>

>,

>In my opinion, and it's just my opinion, CIO isn't for me. IF they need

>you, they need you. That's what being a parent is. While you may perceive

>that as a bit AP, children learn what the world will deal them by their

>parents reactions. If their needs aren't met, they learn they can't trust.

>They feel abandoned. They don't know if they are going to be taken care of

>or not. In my mind, that's not a good place to put an infant or child.

>Ferber may have a wonderful following, but I've been in the 'kid business'

>long enough both professionally and personally to know that he's not my idea

>of a wonderful solution. Even Pantley's book " The No-Cry Sleep

>Solution: Gentle Ways to Help Your Baby Sleep Through the Nght " has a

>better, less cruel, less grueling approach. I'm looking for a 'paper' (I

>use that term loosely) that I've seen on the cons of CIO. If I find it

>again, I'll post it if anyone is interested.

>Chris

>

>PS: In an interview Ferber did with a new parent, he recanted several of

>his statements in his book, suggested that he's often taken out of context

>and that he regrets writing some broad statements that were accepted at the

>time. He's realized that kids need the security of their parents. I have

>that url saved in my favorites somewhere if you need me to find that, too.

> ----------

>

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>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

OMG..that is good..LOL. benadryl might be worth a shot! I got the okay from

the dr. because he scratches his eczema so it would be guilt free!

Mommy to (12-17-98) and

Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB (nights only)

_____

From:

Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 11:19 AM

To: nosurgery4clubfoot

Subject: Re: I am at the end of my rope

Does he like the taste of benadryl?

ROFLOL!!! That just cracked me up!!!

Chris

I am at the end of my rope

Ever since we have been given " nights only " with the DBB our nights have

been HELL!!!!! I cannot take it any longer. Christian is getting up

every

two hours! 11:00 p.m., 1:00 a.m., 3:00 a.m. and 5:00 a.m.!!!!!!!! He

isn't

hungry or sick and when he wakes up crying he SCREAMS for more than an

hour

unless I go in and console him! I feel like I am losing my mind. What is

going on? Anyone experience such a dramatic change?????

Mommy to (12-17-98) and

Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB (nights only)

[Guest guest]

I am going to do that. It sounds like it is a start. I will put his shoes

on now and see what happens over the next few days.

THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR HELP WITH THIS DREADFUL SITUATION!!!

Mommy to (12-17-98) and

Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB (nights only)

_____

From: frogabog

Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 3:08 PM

To: nosurgery4clubfoot

Subject: RE: I am at the end of my rope

,

I see the reasoning behind dropping him in hours, but is it really good for

him? Apparently he tolerated 23.7 just fine, and you could do 16 hours

pretty easily by putting them on at 7 and removing them at 11am. Mornings

go by pretty quick around here, so keeping him braced for that long isn't

really hard, even at that age. You could even go run errands during that

time to make it go quicker but if the little ones can learn to crawl, roll

over, cruise, etc. in the brace, why can't an older child do all that and

still learn to walk? Darbi was wearing it that long when she learned to

walk, apparently it didn't hinder her at all. Or you could do nights and

naps, if you wanted to take it off at 9am instead of 11. Get him used to

sleeping with it on again too.

Since there's been such a sudden change in his waking patterns which

coincide with the reduction in hours, it seems to me that the reduction is

the culprit. If you're thinking of upping the hours, you may even want to

consider going back to 23/7 for a few days and then reducing to 16 so he

gets used to it again. I think if it were me, I'd do some deductive

reasoning and put him back in it 23/7 to see if he started sleeping

better. Then I'd have my answer...

good luck to you!

Kori

At 11:37 AM 2/2/2005, you wrote:

>Well, it breaks my heart when he cries at night so I always end up going in

>there to console him. I don't know if he will sleep better without the

>shoes because I haven't taken them off him at night yet. He has managed to

>take them off himself at about 4 or 5 in the morning. When I pick him up

>and stand with him on my shoulder he is the most comfortable - whatever

that

>means for him. Anyway, Dr. Herzenberg lowered his hours from 23/7 to 12

>hours at night because of his age. I guess he believes that it would

>interrupt him developmentally to wear them longer. THESE KIDS SHOULD COME

>WITH HANDBOOKS!!! LOLOL

>

>

>

>As far as a growth spurt go, I didn't know it was something that would

>bother them at night? Also, teething, I considered that and have put baby

>Orajel and given him Tylenol and that didn't change one thing.

>

>

>

>He is due for his one year well baby check up and I am going to bring this

>up to the doctor to see if there is something that I am missing. I cannot

>go on like this much longer.

>

>

>

>Thank you for your suggestions.

>

>

>

>

>

>Mommy to (12-17-98) and

>

>Christian (1-30-04) LCF - DBB (nights only)

>

> _____

>

>From:

>Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 10:59 AM

>To: nosurgery4clubfoot

>Subject: Re: I am at the end of my rope

>

>

>

>,

>In my opinion, and it's just my opinion, CIO isn't for me. IF they need

>you, they need you. That's what being a parent is. While you may perceive

>that as a bit AP, children learn what the world will deal them by their

>parents reactions. If their needs aren't met, they learn they can't trust.

>They feel abandoned. They don't know if they are going to be taken care of

>or not. In my mind, that's not a good place to put an infant or child.

>Ferber may have a wonderful following, but I've been in the 'kid business'

>long enough both professionally and personally to know that he's not my

idea

>of a wonderful solution. Even Pantley's book " The No-Cry Sleep

>Solution: Gentle Ways to Help Your Baby Sleep Through the Nght " has a

>better, less cruel, less grueling approach. I'm looking for a 'paper' (I

>use that term loosely) that I've seen on the cons of CIO. If I find it

>again, I'll post it if anyone is interested.

>Chris

>

>PS: In an interview Ferber did with a new parent, he recanted several of

>his statements in his book, suggested that he's often taken out of context

>and that he regrets writing some broad statements that were accepted at the

>time. He's realized that kids need the security of their parents. I have

>that url saved in my favorites somewhere if you need me to find that, too.

> ----------

>

>No virus found in this outgoing message.

>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.

>Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 2/1/05

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am curious why at one year of age your dr. thinks he is old enough to go from

24 hours directly down to 12 hours. I was of the impression the 12 hours phase

was for the 3 and 4 year olds. Like I said earlier, we're at 16 months old and

Dr. P still has us wearing them 14 hours (not Atypical or particularly bad

feet, either.) Have you considered asking Dr. Ponseti for a recommendation

just to back this up? Developmentally speaking, I'm not aware of any of our cf

kids on this loop being developmentally impaired due to DBB use. This moring

Everett stood up in his, with out holding on to anything - from a sit on the

floor to a stand, just that easy. He is trying to walk in it and I figure he'll

learn how by the time it's all over with.

s.

Subject: RE: I am at the end of my rope

Dr. Herzenberg lowered his hours from 23/7 to 12

hours at night because of his age.