Re: Different brace and shoe

February 4, 2005

Those are kind of interesting. I have no idea where to get them and so

far, no one has shown up since I've been here saying they have them. If

you look closely, they're set up like a reverse last shoe (pointed to the

outside) and Bens feet... at least in these pictures do not look fully

corrected (not to mention the deep lateral crease that may indicate

possible atypical). They look a little stiff to me actually, and I wonder

how they hold the heel down well with such a high stiff looking ankle

strap. Interesting, to say the least.

There are a lot of really old photos hanging around, people most of us who

are active here right now don't know (maybe Theresa knows?). And it

doesn't say who posted the pics so you can't email the parents. The dates

on these say Jan 24th 2005 but they've been there as long as I've been a

member and the photos section went from over quota to 11mb recently so I

think some moderator finagling happened recently so we could get in

again. I too am curious about these shoes and how his feet are doing today.

Kori

At 12:10 PM 2/4/2005, you wrote:

>I was looking at in the photos section and saw pics of a baby named

>Ben who has a brace and shoes that are different from the norm. The

>file is just called " Ben P " . They look like kind of a cross between a

>sandal and a soft AFO. Does anyone know Ben and where he got these

>nifty shoes?

>

February 4, 2005

Kind of what I was thinking, about his foot possibly being atypical.

I'm working on some feedback to send to Dr. Dobbs about his brace and

AFO's based on everyone's comments and I just thought these were

interesting. Something he might want to see while he is developing

the AFO/shoe to go on his brace. I just wondered if something like

this might solve some of the AFO issues (such as the sweating) and if

it could be done shorter so as not to hold the ankle so stiffly.

Have you ever seen the photos in the files section of tennis shoes

mounted to the bar?

>

> >I was looking at in the photos section and saw pics of a baby named

> >Ben who has a brace and shoes that are different from the norm. The

> >file is just called " Ben P " . They look like kind of a cross between a

> >sandal and a soft AFO. Does anyone know Ben and where he got these

> >nifty shoes?

> >

February 4, 2005

I just noticed in the close up photos that there is an inside strap

that goes across the instep, it looks like maybe this is the one that

would be tight to hold the heel down.

>

> >I was looking at in the photos section and saw pics of a baby named

> >Ben who has a brace and shoes that are different from the norm. The

> >file is just called " Ben P " . They look like kind of a cross between a

> >sandal and a soft AFO. Does anyone know Ben and where he got these

> >nifty shoes?

> >

February 4, 2005

ahhh! That's where the black strap went! I didn't notice it went

underneath. Interesting!

Kori

At 01:33 PM 2/4/2005, you wrote:

>I just noticed in the close up photos that there is an inside strap

>that goes across the instep, it looks like maybe this is the one that

>would be tight to hold the heel down.

>

> >

> > >I was looking at in the photos section and saw pics of a baby named

> > >Ben who has a brace and shoes that are different from the norm. The

> > >file is just called " Ben P " . They look like kind of a cross between a

> > >sandal and a soft AFO. Does anyone know Ben and where he got these

> > >nifty shoes?

> > >

February 4, 2005

yeah, those are the ones that have this clamp like thingie instead of a

sole plate and theoretically you can put any shoe on them. I think Leah

(Rob & ) wears tennies on her DBB with this clamp thing but it's

about perfect for the sole of the Markell shoes so those are used a lot

too. I'm not convinced tennies would hold the foot properly myself. I'm

still good with the Markells. I like the strap, I am certain her foot

isn't moving inside the shoe and it fits her foot nicely. I think Dr.

Dobbs should really look into the s with his brace and forget the

AFO's - they just don't seem practical especially considering the

cost. I'm also not convinced the Markell's are bad shoes for most feet. I

think they're good shoes and user error/uncorrected feet are the biggest

problems with them. If parents knew exactly how to put the shoes on

properly in the first place and the docs would do their job properly we'd

see a lot less problems with them. How many parents here have tried the

tips with a fully corrected foot and still had problems? (without sores

already present of course) So far, no one that I know of has come back

here and said they did everything right, had a hole to check and the heel

was down and STILL had problems. With the new tiny shoes Markell has

available with a hole in the back, it seems like there wouldn't be any

problems (assuming parents didn't ignore that the heel wasn't seated

properly). I'd like to know how these new shoes are doing with the little

ones, seems most docs aren't even aware they're available and there's no

information on the website about them either. Love to have some pics of a

pair to put up on the CFPics website at least. If anyone has some, send me

a pic!

Kori

At 01:21 PM 2/4/2005, you wrote:

>Kind of what I was thinking, about his foot possibly being atypical.

>I'm working on some feedback to send to Dr. Dobbs about his brace and

>AFO's based on everyone's comments and I just thought these were

>interesting. Something he might want to see while he is developing

>the AFO/shoe to go on his brace. I just wondered if something like

>this might solve some of the AFO issues (such as the sweating) and if

>it could be done shorter so as not to hold the ankle so stiffly.

>Have you ever seen the photos in the files section of tennis shoes

>mounted to the bar?

>

> >

> > >I was looking at in the photos section and saw pics of a baby named

> > >Ben who has a brace and shoes that are different from the norm. The

> > >file is just called " Ben P " . They look like kind of a cross between a

> > >sandal and a soft AFO. Does anyone know Ben and where he got these

> > >nifty shoes?

> > >

February 4, 2005

I think these shoes " Bebax " are used for mettatarsus adductus etc...

If you attach the " Bebax " to a bar you have another type of brace

(Lion Brace)... but when the foot is full corrected this type of shoe

is not necessary.

http://64.233.183.104/search?

q=cache:3O5cCf9gtfQJ:www.tiellecamp.it/scheda.asp%3FID%

3D83+bebax&hl=es

Cristina and (16 March 02, BCF treated by Drs. Ponseti and

Morcuende. DBB nights only)

www.piezambo.com

>

> I was looking at in the photos section and saw pics of a baby named

> Ben who has a brace and shoes that are different from the norm. The

> file is just called " Ben P " . They look like kind of a cross

between a

> sandal and a soft AFO. Does anyone know Ben and where he got these

> nifty shoes?

>

February 4, 2005

Maybe now...

http://www.tiellecamp.it/scheda.asp?ID=83

Cristina

> >

> > I was looking at in the photos section and saw pics of a baby

named

> > Ben who has a brace and shoes that are different from the norm.

The

> > file is just called " Ben P " . They look like kind of a cross

> between a

> > sandal and a soft AFO. Does anyone know Ben and where he got

these

> > nifty shoes?

> >

February 4, 2005

So the pictures of Ben's feet obviously uncorrected were being treated with

the Bebax shoe with a bar to achieve full correction? I noticed that there

was one picture where the foot looked more corrected. I wonder if it

worked? Are MTA children being treated with this Bebax shoe with a bar or

is the shoe alone enough?

Well, it seems we're back to the idea that what we have to choose from are

Markell's, 's, AFO's, or tennis shoes clamped onto the bar. hummmm...

Kori

At 02:01 PM 2/4/2005, you wrote:

>I think these shoes " Bebax " are used for mettatarsus adductus etc...

>If you attach the " Bebax " to a bar you have another type of brace

>(Lion Brace)... but when the foot is full corrected this type of shoe

>is not necessary.

>

>http://64.233.183.104/search?

>q=cache:3O5cCf9gtfQJ:www.tiellecamp.it/scheda.asp%3FID%

>3D83+bebax&hl=es

>

>Cristina and (16 March 02, BCF treated by Drs. Ponseti and

>Morcuende. DBB nights only)

>www.piezambo.com

>

> >

> > I was looking at in the photos section and saw pics of a baby named

> > Ben who has a brace and shoes that are different from the norm. The

> > file is just called " Ben P " . They look like kind of a cross

>between a

> > sandal and a soft AFO. Does anyone know Ben and where he got these

> > nifty shoes?

> >

>

February 4, 2005

I think Bebax shoes with a bar don´t work to achieve full

correction... (in clubfoot)...

For MTA children the shoe alone is enough...In more severe cases it

can be easily corrected with two to three plaster-cast applications...

Cristina

> > >

> > > I was looking at in the photos section and saw pics of a baby

named

> > > Ben who has a brace and shoes that are different from the

norm. The

> > > file is just called " Ben P " . They look like kind of a cross

> >between a

> > > sandal and a soft AFO. Does anyone know Ben and where he got

these

> > > nifty shoes?

> > >

> >

February 4, 2005

Kori,

I sent some info to my ortho the other day and made the comment that Dr. Dobbs

and his new bar connected to 's shoes would be wonderful. Funny that you

thought of that, too. LOL

Chris

Re: Re: Different brace and shoe