Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 Ok, here is the post. I wasn't going to do this, but I feel I have good points to make. " Rosie, I agree with you...Ritalin is bad news and can cause severe health problems. Check out www.ritalinfraud.com These teachers don't want to learn ways to help the child (such as diet, therapy, etc.) because that is too much work. They just want an easy way to " control " the child and make them complacent, but it is just not safe! Stick to your guns, fight the Ritalin war!! This stuff needs to be off the market...the sooner, the better!! Debbiey M " First of all, saying " This stuff needs to be off the market...the sooner the better!! " In my opinion is not what said, " We are all doing the best we can to do the very best for our children and that does not lead to the same road for all of us. " Which, ironically, is what I am advocating. , you are actually incorrect stating that Ritalin is over prescribed. I'm sorry your daughter did not do well on it, that shows me that either your doc or psychiatrist was not well versed in the condition or else it just plain didn't work for her. Now you know and are on to more effective treatment. Did you know that childhood mania is almost identical to hyperactivity? However, the medications are entirely different. IF you give a Bipolar kid a stimulant, you will induce full blown psychosis w/ hallucinations and all (like my son), likewise, if you give and ADHD kid a mood stabilizer, the same thing can happen. Teachers are not prescribing stimulants, doctors are. If there are too many kids on drugs, then it is up to the doctors to educate themselves on the disorder. The side effects discussed on the site that was shared are only if THE CHILD WAS PRESCRIBED THE WRONG MED. Another thing...have you looked at the information this organization wants people to share? Come on, any intelligent person could see right through this. A recent study actually showed that, according to the math (and ADHD is rising, similarly to autism) in actuality, there are fewer kids (and people) on stimulants than there are people with diagnoses. The main problem is that the Church of Scientology (who is behind the whole " ADD fraud " thing) are the same ones who are saying that there is no such thing as a neurobiological disorder. Remember that autism is part of that group. Are you ready to fight the " Ritalin war " when the people behind it also believe there is no such thing as autism?? By the way, they think it is poor parenting. If you don't believe me, check out the site below and watch the program. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/medicating/ Ritalin is a safe drug and a lot of people (myself included) depend on in to just get by day to day. Why be scared of the teachers? They are not going to be giving the drugs to your kids w/o your consent, they are not doctors and they most likely do not have access to highly controlled drugs. If you want to take it out on someone, take it out on the ill informed medical community. I'm sorry, but this post was not misinterpreted, it was very clear. If you are fighting the " Ritalin war, " you are in the wrong battle. Educate yourself before you make broad accusations, read this: http://www.add.org/Images/medupdate.htm Amy M Mom to Dylan (7 autism), Jonah (5 ADHD, ODD, Bipolar), and Connor (2) Oregon online autism support http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ORAutismSupport Bipolarbear Cubs online group http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/bipolarbearcubs The Mind's Eye http://www.geocities.com/babyvan_99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2001 Report Share Posted April 25, 2001 I'm not big on either side of the fence on this issue, but I do need to add something. As a former high school administrator, I have seen an disturbing trend with regard to Ritalin and related meds. If you ask elementary teachers about these meds, they almost universally say they love them. Why? Because they make the kids more controllable and make the teacher's job easier. Pose the same question to high school teachers, and you get a different response. Why? Because students who begin taking meds at a young age eventually begin to recognize that it is not their personality that they exhibit, but one that is controlled through medication. Eventually these students make decisions to reject the medications, and they find themselves beginning all over again. Ritalin, etc. may seem an effective short term solution. I encourage all who choose this path to prepare for the long-range, and determine a strategy when these young people are able to make the decisions that will affect them Ritalin and ADD > Ok, here is the post. I wasn't going to do this, but I feel I have good > points to make. > > " Rosie, > > I agree with you...Ritalin is bad news and can cause severe health > problems. Check out > www.ritalinfraud.com > These teachers don't want to learn ways to help the child (such as diet, > therapy, etc.) because that is too much work. They just want an easy way > to " control " the child and make them complacent, but it is just not safe! > Stick to your guns, fight the Ritalin war!! This stuff needs to be off > the market...the sooner, the better!! > > Debbiey M " > > First of all, saying " This stuff needs to be off the market...the sooner > the better!! " In my opinion is not what said, " We are all doing the > best we can to do the very best for our > children and that does not lead to the same road for all of us. " Which, > ironically, is what I am advocating. > > , you are actually incorrect stating that Ritalin is over > prescribed. I'm sorry your daughter did not do well on it, that shows me > that either your doc or psychiatrist was not well versed in the condition > or else it just plain didn't work for her. Now you know and are on to > more effective treatment. > > Did you know that childhood mania is almost identical to hyperactivity? > However, the medications are entirely different. IF you give a Bipolar > kid a stimulant, you will induce full blown psychosis w/ hallucinations > and all (like my son), likewise, if you give and ADHD kid a mood > stabilizer, the same thing can happen. > Teachers are not prescribing stimulants, doctors are. If there are too > many kids on drugs, then it is up to the doctors to educate themselves on > the disorder. The side effects discussed on the site that was shared are > only if THE CHILD WAS PRESCRIBED THE WRONG MED. Another thing...have you > looked at the information this organization wants people to share? Come > on, any intelligent person could see right through this. > > A recent study actually showed that, according to the math (and ADHD is > rising, similarly to autism) in actuality, there are fewer kids (and > people) on stimulants than there are people with diagnoses. The main > problem is that the Church of Scientology (who is behind the whole " ADD > fraud " thing) are the same ones who are saying that there is no such > thing as a neurobiological disorder. Remember that autism is part of that > group. Are you ready to fight the " Ritalin war " when the people behind > it also believe there is no such thing as autism?? By the way, they > think it is poor parenting. If you don't believe me, check out the site > below and watch the program. > http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/medicating/ > > Ritalin is a safe drug and a lot of people (myself included) depend on in > to just get by day to day. Why be scared of the teachers? They are not > going to be giving the drugs to your kids w/o your consent, they are not > doctors and they most likely do not have access to highly controlled > drugs. If you want to take it out on someone, take it out on the ill > informed medical community. > I'm sorry, but this post was not misinterpreted, it was very clear. If > you are fighting the " Ritalin war, " you are in the wrong battle. > Educate yourself before you make broad accusations, read this: > http://www.add.org/Images/medupdate.htm > > Amy M > Mom to Dylan (7 autism), Jonah (5 ADHD, ODD, Bipolar), and Connor (2) > Oregon online autism support > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ORAutismSupport > Bipolarbear Cubs online group > http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/bipolarbearcubs > The Mind's Eye http://www.geocities.com/babyvan_99 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 Hear, hear!! Lolita >I encourage all who choose this path to prepare for the long-range, and >determine a strategy >when these young people are able to make the decisions that will affect them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2001 Report Share Posted April 26, 2001 Amy, Just because we do not share the same point of view as you do about Ritalin use, does not give you the right to post such a rude statement saying " we are not intelligent enough to see through this information " ! Excuse me, but I am a very intelligent person, you do not know me! I happen to feel the exact opposite about the Ritalin controversy as you do, but I will NOT result to using insults as you have done... that was just not called for! I have personally witnessed the damaging effects of Ritalin with my nephew who has ADHD and has been on the drug for several years. I do NOT feel it is a safe drug and no amount of rude posts will change my mind! Nobody was saying that the teachers are the ones prescribing the meds. (I do not know where you got that information), we are simply stating that it is the teachers who are harrassing us into using these meds. to make their lives easier, they do not care about the long term effects on the children. And, these teachers DO have the power to go to the school psychiatrist and convince him to prescribe the meds. and if the parents refuse, they can and have done many times in the past, accuse the parents of child abuse and many parents have lost their children because of it! THIS is enough to scare ME! But, you will never see that part of the school system because you already use the drug. But, those of us who wish not to use it, should have the right to refuse without having to worry about losing our children...it IS a real concern, it HAS happened many times before!! And, as for the doctors educating themselves about the condition, don't hold your breath!! Just because a doctor is behind something does NOT make it good or safe!! Remember these are the same doctors who are forcing these poisoned vaccinations on our children and are CAUSING the disorders in the first place!! So, BIG surprise when they prescribe the WRONG meds! You say, " Are you ready to fight the " Ritalin war " when the people behind >it also believe there is no such thing as autism?? " There are MANY people against Ritalin who know autism is real and to insinuate that just because I am against Ritalin, means that I do not believe in autism is ridiculous! Of course I believe in autism, my son is autistic but that doesn't mean I can not be against Ritalin!! I AM educated in this subject, not just by reading articles but by witnessing the effects AND living it through my nephew!! You state, " If you are fighting the " Ritalin war, " you are in the wrong battle. " This is YOUR opinion, I do not feel that way; so, YES, I WILL continue to fight the Ritalin war. Thank you for your opinions...there would be no " war " if we all felt the same way. Debbie -- On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:51:36 and Amy Metger wrote: >Ok, here is the post. I wasn't going to do this, but I feel I have good >points to make. > > " Rosie, > >I agree with you...Ritalin is bad news and can cause severe health >problems. Check out >www.ritalinfraud.com >These teachers don't want to learn ways to help the child (such as diet, >therapy, etc.) because that is too much work. They just want an easy way >to " control " the child and make them complacent, but it is just not safe! >Stick to your guns, fight the Ritalin war!! This stuff needs to be off >the market...the sooner, the better!! > >Debbiey M " > >First of all, saying " This stuff needs to be off the market...the sooner >the better!! " In my opinion is not what said, " We are all doing the >best we can to do the very best for our >children and that does not lead to the same road for all of us. " Which, >ironically, is what I am advocating. > >, you are actually incorrect stating that Ritalin is over >prescribed. I'm sorry your daughter did not do well on it, that shows me >that either your doc or psychiatrist was not well versed in the condition >or else it just plain didn't work for her. Now you know and are on to >more effective treatment. > >Did you know that childhood mania is almost identical to hyperactivity? >However, the medications are entirely different. IF you give a Bipolar >kid a stimulant, you will induce full blown psychosis w/ hallucinations >and all (like my son), likewise, if you give and ADHD kid a mood >stabilizer, the same thing can happen. >Teachers are not prescribing stimulants, doctors are. If there are too >many kids on drugs, then it is up to the doctors to educate themselves on >the disorder. The side effects discussed on the site that was shared are >only if THE CHILD WAS PRESCRIBED THE WRONG MED. Another thing...have you >looked at the information this organization wants people to share? Come >on, any intelligent person could see right through this. > >A recent study actually showed that, according to the math (and ADHD is >rising, similarly to autism) in actuality, there are fewer kids (and >people) on stimulants than there are people with diagnoses. The main >problem is that the Church of Scientology (who is behind the whole " ADD >fraud " thing) are the same ones who are saying that there is no such >thing as a neurobiological disorder. Remember that autism is part of that >group. Are you ready to fight the " Ritalin war " when the people behind >it also believe there is no such thing as autism?? By the way, they >think it is poor parenting. If you don't believe me, check out the site >below and watch the program. >http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/medicating/ > >Ritalin is a safe drug and a lot of people (myself included) depend on in >to just get by day to day. Why be scared of the teachers? They are not >going to be giving the drugs to your kids w/o your consent, they are not >doctors and they most likely do not have access to highly controlled >drugs. If you want to take it out on someone, take it out on the ill >informed medical community. >I'm sorry, but this post was not misinterpreted, it was very clear. If >you are fighting the " Ritalin war, " you are in the wrong battle. >Educate yourself before you make broad accusations, read this: >http://www.add.org/Images/medupdate.htm > >Amy M >Mom to Dylan (7 autism), Jonah (5 ADHD, ODD, Bipolar), and Connor (2) >Oregon online autism support >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ORAutismSupport >Bipolarbear Cubs online group >http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/bipolarbearcubs >The Mind's Eye http://www.geocities.com/babyvan_99 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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